Israel’s American Chattel
I do not believe the National Intelligence Council could function effectively while its chair was under constant attack by unscrupulous people with a passionate attachment to the views of a political faction in a foreign country.
The tactics of the Israel Lobby plumb the depths of dishonor and indecency and include character assassination, selective misquotation, the willful distortion of the record, the fabrication of falsehoods and an utter disregard for the truth. The aim of this Lobby is control of the policy process through the exercise of a veto over the appointment of people who dispute the wisdom of its views, the substitution of political correctness for analysis, and the exclusion of any and all options for decision by Americans and our government other than those that it favors.
There is a special irony in having been accused of improper regard for the opinions of foreign governments and societies by a group so clearly intent on enforcing adherence to the policies of a foreign government—in this case, the government of Israel. I believe that the inability of the American public to discuss, or the government to consider, any option for U.S. policies in the Middle East opposed by the ruling faction in Israeli politics has allowed that faction to adopt and sustain policies that ultimately threaten the existence of the state of Israel. It is not permitted for anyone in the United States to say so. This is not just a tragedy for Israelis and their neighbors in the Middle East; it is doing widening damage to the national security of the United States."
—Ambassador Charles Freeman on declining his appointment as chairman of the National Intelligence Council, Wall Street Journal, March 10, 2009.
Many conservatives take vicarious pleasure in America's superpower status. George W. Bush's flouting of American power is one reason conservatives took scant notice of Bush's police state measures and ill-conceived wars. Conservatives were so delighted with Bush giving the finger to the United Nations, the world community and especially France, a country conservatives have despised ever since Charles DeGaulle refused to follow the American line, that conservatives paid no attention to Bush's assault on civil liberty and his squandering of America's soft power.
I wonder how much longer conservatives will be strutting around now that the "defeated" Taliban are denying the Peshawar-Khyber Pass supply route to the unipower's military for resupply of its troops in Afghanistan. The United States has had to go hat in hand to the Russians to request a resupply route through Russian territory, and has been told it can move non-munition supplies only. The Russians might be willing for Obama to send arms through if Obama repudiates Bush's decision to put anti-ballistic missile defenses in the American puppet states of Poland and the Czech Republic.
The Polish government is concerned about repeating its World War II mistake of putting its fate in the hands of a distant protector instead of with the military power on its border and recently admonished Washington not to renege on the missile deal. Poland is clinging desperately to Bush's promise of nuclear war in defense of Poland, just as seven decades ago the Polish colonels thought they could stick their finger in Adolf Hitler's eye because Britain had given Poland a guarantee.
Iraq is another embarrassment for conservatives, with the Iranian-allied Shi'ite party, not the unipower, dictating the withdrawal agreement. The United States remains in Iraq only as a useful scapegoat for the Shi'ite rulers.
But what's really going to blow the legs out from under conservatives is the realization that the great superpower is the chattel goods of the Israel lobby.
The Obama administration, despite the Democrats' decisive electoral victory in last November's election, has demonstrated that the great unipower cannot appoint its own chairman of the National Intelligence Council. Freeman, a distinguished and independent-minded American, former ambassador and former assistant secretary of defense, found his appointment blocked by Steve Rosen, a former official of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) currently under indictment as an Israeli spy, and a handful of American Jewish neoconservatives closely identified with the right-wing government in Israel.
How is the United States a superpower when it cannot appoint the official who oversees the National Intelligence Estimate without the approval of the Israeli right-wing government and its American agents?
Conservatives will say, of course, that Israel is the "only democracy in the Middle East." The question whether Israel—or, for that matter, America—is a democracy is beside the point. The point is that Israel has shown that it can control not merely U.S. foreign policy but also U.S. intelligence policy.
Last Thursday, America's Overlord sent the chief of staff of the American-financed and supplied Israel Defense Forces, Gen. Gabi Ashkenazi, to meet with President Barack Obama; Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff; Gen. James Jones, national security advisor; and Dennis Ross, the U.S. State Department's special advisor for the Persian Gulf and Southwest Asia.
The Israeli newspaper Haaretz reports that Ashkenazi will also meet with "senior American journalists and with the heads of AIPAC, the American pro-Israel lobbyist group."
Ashkenazi will also be a "guest of honor" at the annual "Supporters of the IDF (Israeli Defense Forces)" convention in the city of New York and will address its participants.
Ashkenazi will also be meeting with former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, "as well as with the heads of the New York Jewish Federation."
The official reason for Ashkenazi's visit is to warn America about the threat that Iran presents to the United States. In reality, the general has been sent to stir up an American attack on Iran.
The military-security complex will welcome the opening of a new front in the "war on terror." The American arms industries desperately need a new war to replace Iraq. "Our" government in Washington desperately needs new reasons to suppress American civil liberties. The traitorous Bush Republicans and their Democratic enablers desperately need justification for committing America to multi-trillion-dollar illegal wars. The neoconservatives desperately need a rationale for the lies they told to start what they hope are long-term wars in the Middle East. The neocon madmen even want to overthrow Saudi Arabia, one of America's largest creditors.
Conservatives will welcome these developments with open arms. America will have a chance to redeem itself. America can yet prove it is a superpower by conquering both Iran and Afghanistan. Once these victories are in hand, Israel can destroy both Hamas and Hezbollah, and the new Israel can incorporate Palestine and southern Lebanon.
While conservatives dream these dreams, the premier of China, Wen Jiabao, expressed on March 13 his fears that the U.S. Treasury's credit was not good and that his country's $1 trillion investment in American debt was endangered. Wen said: "We have lent a huge amount of money to the U.S. Of course we are concerned about the safety of our assets. To be honest, I am definitely a little worried."
Contrast Wen's concern with the optimism coming out of the Obama administration and what remains of Wall Street.
Then exercise Charles Freeman's independent thinking and make up your own mind. Is America a superpower, or is America a rapidly declining country destroyed by gratuitous wars and shyster banksters?
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Thanks to Mr. Roberts for his commentary. However, these comments by Mr. Roberts and others over the years are nothing but blather. Its about time Americans realize that the Zionist parasite needs to be forcibly excised from the American body-politic if we ever expect to regain national independence and real freedom. I'm not suggesting that this will ever happen by the elected and appointed cowards of the national government. Average Americans, both blue/white-collar Americans need to shove bullets into the chambers of their guns and eliminate any and all Zionist agencies of Israel in America. That the American government cooperates with this blackmail is an abuse of the common welfare. Thomas Jefferson wrote, "Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, IT IS THEIR DUTY [my emphasis] to throw off such government, and provide new guards for their future security." Among other government abuses, obeisance to a usurping Israel is certainly a reduction to absolute despotism. It must stop. Words are futile; it is time for action. Hail to Charles Freeman.
Attached to Fort Meade is a small building housing the National Cryptological museum. In it is a photo gallery of Women of Espionage -- 21 of them. Seven are Jewish, that is much higher than their representation of the US population. The International Jew has been meddling in our affairs since the early days of the republic, but it's gotten much worse since 1948.
Murder or Nuremburg Laws, which is the better option. I favor stripping citizenship and deportation.
Ahh, yes, we can't have good old American values without some rah rah support for the Arabist nazis in the US State Department. We'll keep it short and sweet.
We've got PCR's take on things. Or we can actually look at the documentation and facts available via FOIA. I'd recommend that all purchase Christopher Simpson's 'Blowback' and Edwin Black's 'Nazi Nexus' to take a look at the policy PCR and his brethren have been crafting for the last 60-70 years.
Then get back to me on why this 'lobby' would have the US fund a wide variety of axis allied losers, currently of the Islamist variety, repeat the mantra of how 'moderate' they are, then deploy them on land theft missions, whereby they steal land from all that made it out of the WWII concentration camps.
And why would this 'lobby' be so horrible with money that the US keeps going deeper and deeper into debt?
And why wouldn't this lobby encourage the masses to be more like the Jews, instead of slandering all Jews that support Judaism as 'rightwing fascist likudniks'?
Why would this 'lobby' make sure that blacks that like and emulate Jews are slandered as 'uncle toms'?
Why would this lobby deploy Brzezinski and Khalilzad on terrorism and Islam spreading warfare ventures?
Why wouldn't this lobby have the US spread some zionism? Where is our chabad in Iraq? Why was the attack on the chabad in India so quickly swept under the rug?
There is no 'lobby'. There are only Arabist liars that carry out 4th Reich foreign policy, while slandering Jews.
slim,
Good to have you back again. Been reading some Wikipedia articles about Reinhard Gehlen and the UNRWA, and as a result many of your comments have begun to make sense. Makes me wish all the more for U.S. withdrawal from the U.N.
But to answer one of your questions, I can cite some election slogans and recent policy changes in your beloved Israel to give you an idea of why the new government is described as far-right Likudniks. Consider that the state recently banned immigration from groups which it deemed to be slow to assimilate to Israeli culture, specifically Ethiopian Jews. Plus there was the "No Loyalty, No Citizenship" slogan of the Likud Party.
Meanwhile their cousins here in the U.S., your friends at the Anti-Defamation League, seem to look down upon that policy for their American brethren. It endorsed the Progress by Pesach declaration, which states that America should stop enforcing immigration laws and relax what is left of her borders.
Imagine if AMERICA seemed on the verge of adopting tough immigration/citizenship restriction laws. Something tells me those Jacobin Marxists at the A-DL would be out in full force comparing the culprits to Hitler and all that nonsense. Why the double standard?
Brock,
Glad to help shed some light on things, and I will give you much credit for actually researching some of it. One thing to keep in mind: just as Western media (in full cahoots with the US State Dept) has managed to demonize the Serbs and convince nearly everyone that they were tormenting US-supported Islamist terrorists, this same media is very good at demonizing Israel.
Keep in mind that Western media reports ONLY negative news about Israel, never reporting on the fact that Israel has a varied economy, some of the brightest engineering minds in the world, and that Israeli doctors treat everyone--even palestinians that have just killed Israelis.
A government full of nazis will indeed lie about such people and try to get you to hate them. It will also amplify every negative piece of news that it can regarding Israel. This is how one manipulates the masses to engage in Jewhate.
Israel currently has Ethiopian Jews, and was the only country to airlift them out of there 20 years or so ago when they were all starving. Does Israel have some arcane religious based laws that I find questionable? Certainly--but it all pales in comparison to the Islamist states surrounding Israel.
And the US is in no position to complain. We re-write history for Islamists, we teach blacks to embrace the Arab Africans that slaughter them, and that sold them into slavery, we engage in welfare/eugenic programs to keep various people in place. We teach Jews that they are right-wing fascists unless they get on board with the Ford Foundation program of helping and supporting SS Handzar nazis.
When the pan-Arab, pro-nazi big-lies are ignored, there is only one conclusion: warts and all, Israel is a geopolitical anomaly, and a symbol of all that is right. There is no big 'lobby', there is only the fact that the ideology of the US State Dept is anathema to most Americans, who DO support democratic societies, even as the US State Dept attacks them.
The ADL is an American organization, it does not rock the boat. I'm unaware of the ADL ever taking a brave pro-Israel stance. Jewish organizations tend to be headed by ethnic Jews that are appointed by the antisemites at the top. Such was the case during WWII, when the labor-zionist Jews sabotaged the work of the Jews that worked hard to save all Jews.
The Jews that are celebrated as 'leftists' are the ones that facilitated the holocaust, or did not do all they could to stop it. The ones that did all they could to stop it (Bergson, Jabotinsky) are slandered as 'right wing fascists'. This is BS. These men only worked to save Jews.
Jewish history is basically the repeated betrayal of Jews by Jewish idiots and Jewish antisemites that are put in place by those at the top. History is the propaganda of the victors. We won in 1948 and defeated the fascist nazi forces. But they get to write the history. They get to decide what is 'liberal'--which is State Department ideology.
Those that call themselves 'liberal' tend to hate Israel. They support all welfare programs, big government programs, UN Arabist fascism, Arab naziism, Kurt Waldheim, Jimmy Carter, Arafat, PLO, etc.
So why is PCR echoing this ideology? It's State Department ideology--whether coming from PCR, or the government's lefty provocateurs like Bill Ayers.
slim,
Forgive me for taking you for an ADL member, I hope you understand, though, because your rhetoric often sounds a lot like theirs.
You once said that the Arab Muslim world would liberalize - at least to the point of ceasing practices like cutting off body parts as punishment for stealing or execution for adultery or conversion to other faiths - if funding for radical Muslim education through UNRWA would be cut off.
This sounds quite laughable to me, with all due respect. Islam means "submission," submission to that faith. Do you not think that Arab Muslims would retain their devoted faith and rigid beliefs even without U.N. support?
Brock,
This much is clear to me: the only Muslims we have to fear are those that work for our government or allies of our government.
The vast majority of Muslims in the world are not killing anyone. Either they are not observant, or they observe some bastardized version of their religion.
The British, Soviets, and US have been deliberately using Islamists as mercenaries for close to 100 years. Currently, the US/NATO/Arab alliance is at the helm of this strategy.
We actually have a legal part of our government, the IDLO, that has determined that 13th century style sharia law is 'what is best' for developing countries. Why? By keeping people in the dark ages, removing their rights and telling them to hate Jews, we can work with their thuggish leader (a puppet of our empire) and make the most money.
Like Wilders said: the Koran can be (and is being) used like mein kampf. Amoral leaders will use it this way. The UNRWA is just one component of the funding and whitewashing of jihad. We've been supporting various Islamists in Afghanistan for 30 years, too. Ditto for Iraq.
Empires that put out Jewish conspiracy propaganda about 'fighting for Jews' tend to be doing the opposite--and sure enough such is the case. We fought for Arabs (gulf war), rescue only tormented jihadists (kosovo and bosnia), and spread sharia (Afghanistan, Iraq).
US leaders, great 'patriots' like the Dulles brothers, Wisner, Gehlen, Kellen have always been in bed with fascists, be they German, Arab or otherwise (Arabism seems to be the dominant ideology of the US blue-blood elites).
But like I said the ADL doesn't rock the boat. The people I read DO rock the boat. The people I read will not shut up as the US government goes on a protocols of zion type attack against Israel, when the reality is that the top of the US government has always been rabidly anti-Israel. And it really hates it when the people support Israel.
An antizionist is really just defending the long legacy of extremely wealthy elitist Arabist, eugenics type ideology. And the typical antizionist would have been a victim of their policies just like the rest of the filthy masses.
Nos. 1 and 2
Throw another Jew on the fire? It's been tried and didn't solve anything. Pick a different obsession; 'twill do you good.
That said, the political influence of the Israel Lobby is too great, and the "special relationship" in its present form is not in our national interest. The Freeman episode, combined with the Gaza atrocity, may bring the issue to the fore.
GOM,
The Arabists, epitomized by Freeman, have been running the country into the ground since WWII. We could only be so fortunate that human-rights supporters were to wrest control of our policy away from them.
Mr. Grumpy Old Man @8: "The Freeman episode, combined with the Gaza atrocity, may bring the issue to the fore." You are dreaming. Besides your wishful thinking, I do not endorse "throwing "another Jew on the fire." I am absolutely for exiling those who are of a Zionist bent; who have been milking the American people for nearly sixty years; who make disagreement with their political agenda a matter of anti-Semitism; and who have bought the government of the U. S. of A. Of course, this includes ADL, AIPAC, and SPLC for starters. But, first, we must cleanse the hallowed halls of Washington D.C. of the traitors who shill for Israel. If anyone thought Barack Obama was a "new", "independent" man, now they know the truth, he's just a puppet like the rest. America is not their concern; so, damn them.
Meng,
In light of the facts that I've exposed here, your Arabist propaganda has become quite impotent.
Why would Israel have Western media help Carter and Arafat Nobel Prizes? Why would Israel have Western media support the further cleansing of land that belongs to Israel?
In 1948, the American people made it loud and clear when over 200,000 of them rallied in support of Israel when the US State Department did not give a crap.
History doesn't change much. You serve your Arabist masters. Working class Americans fully support free societies, while you lie for your pet jihadists/axis allied losers and create oppressive societies.
Oh, Golly, gee whiz and Mother MacCree, two hundred thousand Americans rallied in support of Israel in 1948 -- at a time when Zionist thugs were massacring innocent Palestinian familes -- by the by, wasn't the population of America at that time in the neighborhood of 150,000,000? Weren't those 200,000 either Jews or liberals or a combination of both? Your thinking is muddled as you try to deceive the un-informed. I'm still wondering why you haven't denounced America, torn up your U.S. Passport (if you have one) and fled to your momma land of Israel. What's keeping you from doing so?
Meng,
Your Arabist fanaticism is out of control. Contrary to your rather warped beliefs, most Americans don't support the eradication of people that protect others from your ilk.
There were no 'zionist thugs murdering innocent palestinian families'. Rather, as Freda Kirchwey documented quite clearly in the 'British Record on Partition', there were only British Jewhaters working with their lapdog Arab League, and a bevy of imported Nazis in a failed effort to finish the final solution.
Why is it so important to you to finish the 'final solution'? And why should the US aid this effort?
Slimbo, you are a liar and a deceiver. There is nothing else to be said about you, unless, of course, you are mentally incompetent and don't know what you are saying, of which I am able to arouse some sympathy.
Mengo,
Actually, anyone with a Lexis Nexis account can go into the 'Nation' archives from 1948 and see that it is you that is the liar. Further, they can read 'Blowback' (or even email Chris Simpson) and see that you are a regurgitator of the Goebbelsesque big-lies spewed by the US government.
The best way of putting it is this: my truths are rock solid, and disprove all of your subsequent 'lobby' related lies. There is no 'lobby'. There are only decent Americans supporting what is right, followed by the whininess of the US leaders and blaming some mythical 'lobby' for the fact that their Arabist, pro-nazi policy got shot down again.
J Meng,
You might want to listen to some of what our Zionist friend has to say. Then you'll find that the lobby in America which is composed of Jews and has a lot of money and political connections is NOT an "Israel" lobby. They ARE a lobby, that much is true - or maybe just kind of a club. But their interest seems to be in just making money in the financial services industry and in the American government (but then I repeat myself), you know, robbing the American taxpayer. If they were really pro-Israel, that country would probably have extended into Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq by now.
I think slim is really the only Zionist any of us know of. I mean, listen to the wacko hard-line statement he made earlier, that you're either for Israel or for radical Islam (comment #7, last sentence). I've never heard anybody in the "Israel" lobby like Paul Wolfowitz or Bill Kristol say anything so ideologically pro-Israel. If we're going to denounce Zionists, let's at least know who they are.
Easy boys, easy.
Supermax has cells for each of you.
McCallum
Brock,
AIPAC's annual budget is around 20-25M. The annual budgets of Open Society, Oxfam, Ford Foundation and others (that loath and lie about Israel) entirely DWARFS this.
Chris Simpson's book explains why EVERYTHING you read in Western MSM is within a paradigm of Jewish conspiracy theory. Those that control what you read are not Jews and do not love pro-Israel Jews. They are actually tremendous liars, just as they were while supporting Arabs and Germans even as US soldiers died during WWII.
There is no cohesive 'lobby', just a loose confederation of groups, many of which support the theft of Israeli land and creation of Islamist states therein.
WE support the American people. When a person roots for the State Department Arabists, they are rooting for the government scum that collaborated with nazis during WWII--even while our soldiers fought them. Of course they will teach you to hate us.
Your analysis of the State Dept Jews is spot-on: they are the kinds of Jews that a bastion of institutional antisemitism would hire. Khalilzad is the real power-player in the ME--and you don't hear squat about him. Kristol and Wolfie are just propaganda devices mostly.
An exellent article by Mr.Roberts.He comes as close as possible to pointing out the covert control of of our foreign(and domestic)policy by the State of Israel,without going over the PC Line.We look especially bad after the recent Israeli aggression and acts of brutality in Gaza.Mr.Freemans decline to head that post,shows he knows who's calling the shots in Washington,so much so that even he says that no one is allowed to speak of it.Why take a post where when you advocate a reasonable and rational course in the middle east,and you are opposed at every step by The Lobby,Congress,The Media and all the other Apparatus that the jews run in this country
either directly or by proxy.All these entities want is pro-Israel all the way or no way.
When any Nation lets another nation control its foreign policy,(as Israel controls America)especially in such a volatile area of the world-its certain to end in disaster,which it already has.What Mr.Roberts should have said was "neo-conservatives",everytime he used the word "conservative" as the jewish elements hi-jacked Republican policy along time ago.What is more likely now,with Communist Liberals under Lobby direction in control,is a more aggressive "make the middle east safe for Israel"
policy.Which will include an expanded war in Afganistan,War on Pakistan,after their gov't falls and a hardline pro-Islam is in power,possible action of some type on Iran if they feel bold enuff,and can pull off another "Liberty" incident or 9/11.
Domestically we can look for suppression of gun rights and Freedom of Speech with the passage of typically jewish anti-gun and free speech laws.Legalization of millions of illegals,further decline of our economy,and our dollar,more gov't bailouts for shylock bankster criminals,more restrictive or "trackable" ID's.and more Fema Concentration Camps for all you "dissenters" out there,who don't want to accept the Marxist new World Order.More War for Israel means they have to "clamp down" on Dissent and Freedom at home.9/11,thanks to our support for Israel,brought about the implementation of the hideous "patriot act".Our support for that "shi**y little country" as the French Ambassador put it,has cost this Nation grievously,in policy at home,and unwinnable wars
overseas.None of this would be possible without 2 things.1-China and other suckers who are financing our debt,which they'll never see back,and 2-israeli(jewish) control over Our gov't thru their various methods,including the "Lobby".America as a "superpower" is finished,this country is broke,with no way to even finance our own debt,lets hope that our empire breaks up as peacefully as the Soviet Union did,because we are definately headed in that direction.Thanks in large part to jewish control over foreign and domestic policy.
@15: Stephen Walt's and John Mearsheimer's Report is more than a cogent argument demonstrating that the Israeli lobby has dominating influence on U.S. foreign policy, it reveals that it is an absolute fact. It is also a fact that the stated purpose of AIPAC is to lobby the Congress of the U.S. on issues and legislation related to Israel.
@16: I have no Zionist friends. If I did, I would be a traitor to the Mystical Body of Christ, i.e., the Catholic Church and to the Popes before Vatican II.
Mearsheimer Walt is evidence of nothing more than the fact that the US has engaged in a protocols of zion inspired 'blame the Jew' propaganda campaign that has reached a crescendo since 9/11--even though 9/11 was done by our Arab allies.
If the 'lobby' was so powerful, the Carter and Arafat would not be exalted and glorified by antizionists, and everyone would know that MLK and RFK were big supporters of Israel. Supporters of Israel are killed or are not covered in the MSM. Hatred and lying about Israel are commonplace, well compensated, and do not put a person in any danger.
'Blowback', p. 176: "The most important Western ratlines that have come to light thus far, including those that smuggled Nazis, operated in and through the Vatican in Rome."
177: "The majority of the Nazis' Axis partners in Eastern Europe, as well as Vichy France, had been led by Catholic political parties during the war. The puppet government in Slovakia, for example, was run by a Catholic priest, Monsignor Jozef Tiso. Croatia, a terrorist breakaway state from Yugoslavia, described itself as a 'pure Catholic state' whose leader, Ante Pavelic, had been personally received by the Pope..."
Some Church leaders resisted Nazi crimes, but others "used the mantle and moral authority of the church to help carry out preparations for, and in some cases the actual execution of, the Nazi genocide of the Jews."
Not all Roman Catholics in Europe were sick genocidal liars. But Meng is the ideological descendant of the ones that were.
Slim, you are living, breathing proof of the Jews inability to examine themselves. It always the Nazis...
@21 Your slanderous remarks point to a mind too enfeebled by the mendacious works of the author of Blowback and those of Daniel Goldhagen, and other Zionist authors to recognize historical truth. The docmentary evidence of the opposition of the Catholic hierarchy in Nazi Germany is more than can be handled here; but it is common knowledge. Your remarks about Ante Pavelic being personally received by the Pope is PURE FICTION. When that brutal dictator traveled to Rome he was not granted a diplomatic audience to his chagrin. As far as Catholic opposition to the persecution of Serbs, Jews, and gypsies in Croatia during the war, Croatian Archbishop Alojzij Stepinac, after having received direction from Rome, condemned the brutal actions of the government. A speech he gave on October 24, 1942 is typical of many that he made refuting Nazi theory:
"All men and all races are children of God; all without distinction. Those who are Gypsies, black, European, or Aryan all have the same rights. . . . For this reason, the Catholic Church had always condemned, and continues to condemn, all injustice and all violence committed in the name of theories of class, race, or nationality. It is not permissible to persecute Gypsies or Jews because they are thought to be an inferior race."
The Associated Press reported that “by 1942 Stepinac had become a harsh critic” of the Nazi puppet regime, condemning its “genocidal policies, which killed tens of thousands of Serbs, Jews, Gypsies, and Croats.” He thereby earned the enmity of the Croatian dictator, Ante Pavelic. On October 13, 1946, when the postwar Communist authorities tried to concoct a case against Archbishop Stepinac, American Jewish leader Louis Braier stated:
"This great man of the Church has been accused of being a Nazi collaborator. We, the Jews, deny it. He is one of the few men who rose in Europe against the Nazi tyranny precisely at the moment when it was most dangerous. He spoke openly and fearlessly against the racial laws. After His Holiness, Pius XII, he was the greatest defender of the persecuted Jews in Europe.'
You poor soul, don't you realize that you have taken in, hook, line, and sinker, the lies, distortions, and propaganda of hate-motivated men? I'll pray for your full recovery.
Right Meng. Our people, including even the most treasonous kapos, never engaged in religious based genocide or forced conversions. Thus, you must try to eliminate us, for we know what you have done.
Jared Israel:"When Hitler attacked the Kingdom of Yugoslavia on April 6, 1941, the Ustashi, including many Catholic priests who were among its members, directed active fighting in the rear of the regular Yugoslav army. This well-organized Fifth Column helped the German High Command in the conquest of Yugoslavia. After the defeat of the Yugoslav Army this combine, the Ustashi and fascist elements of the clergy, launched one of the most horrible massacres in recorded history. Of the two million Serbs who for centuries had lived peacefully among the Croats, hundreds of thousands were driven from their villages and towns and their property stolen. Hundreds of thousands of Serbs were tortured and slaughtered in and out of concentration camps, and the rest were "converted" by force to the Roman faith. Torture and death were also the lot of Croatians who refused to support the quisling cause, and of the Jews. "
"Our people, including even the most treasonous kapos, never engaged in religious based genocide or forced conversions."
Slim,
Thank you, I never knew this fact of Jewish history or if I did, I didn't realize its unique place in the history of war and rumors of war. Are you speaking as in "jewish teaching" never encouraged religious based ..... or individual jews never engaged in religious based ....?
Robert,
The worst, least religous, most collaborative Jews have facilitated genocides (most often of Jews).
The most pious and devout Muslims and Roman Catholics have done such things for their religion.
Are there tales of Jews killing evil amoral enemies in the old testament? Certainly. But we have no concept of an end of times jihad, or any kind of need to forcibly convert others. Ours' is an escaped slave movement. Only those with the right type of ideology and values convert to Judaism. The Jewish hatemongers and hellenists convert out.
Slim,
'The worst, least religous, most collaborative Jews have facilitated genocides (most often of Jews).
The most pious and devout Muslims and Roman Catholics have done such things for their religion."
I appreciae the response. Killing people is a broad topic and I have never viewed the truths of faith in terms of who has done the most or least killing. Christopher Hitchens says it is religious folks but the 20th century had extraordninary body counts and nobody can accuse that century of being pious or centered all on God. I will need to think about this one but do appreciate the reply.
And, less we forget the chosen's involvement in the slaughter of millions during the soviet era....? Oh, whoops, that was Muslims, no Catholics! By Trotsky, it was jews.
@26: For your consideration and edification:
Satanic blasphemies from the Talmud:
‘Yashu’ (derogatory for ‘Jesus’) is in hell being boiled in hot excrement.
- Gittin 57a
May his (Jesus) name be wiped out forevermore.
Yashu (Jesus) was sexually immoral and worshipped a brick.
- Sanhedrin 107b
Yashu (Jesus) was cut off from the Jewish people for his wickedness and refused to repent.
- Sotah 47a
Miriam (the Virgin Mary) the hairdresser had sex with many men.
- Shabbath 104b, Hebrew edition only
She who was the descendant of princes and governors (the Virgin Mary) played the harlot with carpenters.
- Sanhedrin 106a
It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah. The Christians belong to the denying ones of the Torah.
- Coschen hamischpat 425 Hagah 425. 5
The term Anti-Semite has nothing to do with racism, if it did, the Jewish nation would be the most Anti-Semitic nation on earth.
The Palestinians are beasts walking on two legs.
- Israeli Prime
Minister Menachem Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon
Kapeliouk, "Begin and the 'Beasts,"' New Statesman, June 25, 1982.
We must expel Arabs and take their places."
- David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985.
We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and
the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab
population.
- David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff.
From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York
1978.
[The Palestinians] would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls.- Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) Yitzhak Shamir in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988
Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in
China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass
expulsions among the Arabs of the territories.
- Benyamin
Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister
of Israel, speaking to students at Bar Ilan University, from the
Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989.
All children of the ‘goyim’ גוים (gentiles) are animals.
- Yebamoth 98a
The Non-Jews have been created to serve the Jews as slaves
- Midrasch Talpioth 225
The birth-rate of the Non-Jews has to be suppressed massively
- Zohar II, 4b
But Slim, you said, "Only those with the right type of ideology and values convert to Judaism." Since Judaism is equivalent to Talmudism, conversion to Judaism is conversion to Talmudism. Is the Talmud your handbook of living life? Is hatred of mankind your ideology? Are lies part of your stock in trade? The Catholic Church has never authorized genocide. Name the Pope who declared genocide to be a policy of the Catholic Church. Name the Pope who declared forced baptisms to be a policy of the Catholic Church. Our Lord Jesus Christ sent His apostles to all the nations of the world to preach the Gospel for their salvation. Those who heard it could either accept or reject it. Yes, there have been individuals, like Charlemagne, for example, who forced Saxons to be baptized, but his actions were not approved by the Church. But the Zionist-Talmudists ruling in Israel have authorized the genocide of the Palestinians, and have been doing it for over sixty years, the Gaza slaughter being just the latest example. You ought to be ashamed of yourself trying to defend these genocidal policies of the Israelis to the point of distortion of truth. Of course, lying and deception is part and parcel of the pharisaic mind, which is a Talmudic mindset. Our Lord Jesus Christ recognized this and described the Pharisees as like their father the devil, who was a liar and murderer from the beginning.
Charlemagne,
In what way was he carrying out the Jewish religion? Oh. He wasn't. I'm not an expert in Trotsky. A fellow I know via email, Felix Quigley, is, and I do believe that Trotsky is the victim of historical revisionist propaganda not unlike others that were on the right side of things (a la Jabotinsky vs. the labor zionist pets of the British).
Robert--one thing that is quite peculiar to Islam over the last 100 years or so is the fact that it is quite amenable to serving as a 'hired gun' mafia movement for outside non-Muslims. Religions are definitely not all the same. Some are more useful than others when it comes to putting down progressive movements.
Most Muslims are well-meaning--but there is no Western/NATO/EU support for them. They are 'collaborators'. They are not useful as mercenaries. There is no funding for big-lie agitprop on their behalf. The agitprop is all for the genocidal ones that ventured to Europe to kill Christians and Jews, then ventured back to the ME to finish off the Jews.
I'd be curious for someone to answer why 'the lobby' is putting so much effort into whitewashing these particular types of Islamists.
Meng,
Don't have time to reasearch all of your quotes. Some are blatantly out of context and originally described rioters/terrorists (such as Shamir's quote), which you erroneously pretend describe all palestinians. Camera.org does the best job of debunking this garbage attack against Israel.
This type of attack is consistent from the big-lie crowd, who accuse Israel of genocide evena as the palestinian Arab population grows un-abated.
I uploaded some documents to www dot box dot net/shared/86jltj9p8i/rss.xml Some pertain to the Vatican.
The vatican has been allied with Islamists and has attacked Israel with big-lies continuously since 1948. It also supported the forced conversion of Serbs during WWII, and a subset of the Vatican supported the Ustashi as well as rat-lines for escaped nazis. There is much blood on the Vatican's hands.
Mind you, most RC's do support Israel (and are unaware of the blood on the Vatican's hands). Jews overall are not 'out to get' the Vatican. But we can reveal the truth when attacked with your 'big lies'. Jared Israel has probably done the best job of detailing some of the since-rewritten history of the Vatican's role in WWII.
I see slim is still looking for anti-semites under every bed. He will be emailing the report to the extremely strange Mo Dees (the one who calls his token Negro helpers "niggers," and also to that gluttonous antichrist Abbie Foxman.
The computer boffins at Tel Aviv's Medigo will backtrace all the emails, since nothing that happens on the 'net is private.