The “Isms” That Bedevil Bush
by Patrick J. Buchanan
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On reading George Bush’s discourse to the New York Economic Club last week, Cicero’s insight came to mind: “To be ignorant of what occurred before you were born is to remain always a child.”
With Iraq entering its sixth year, the dollar sinking to peso levels, the economy careening into recession, and 12 million to 20 million illegal aliens roosting here, Bush alerted us to what really worries him:
“I’m troubled by isolationism and protectionism … (and) another ‘ism,’ and that’s nativism. And that’s what happened throughout our history. And probably the most grim reminder of what can happen to America during periods of isolationism and protectionism is what happened in the late—in the ’30s, when we had this America First policy and Smoot-Hawley. And look where it got us.”
Let us try to sort out this dog’s breakfast.
First, America was never isolationist. From its birth, the republic was a great trading nation with ties to the world. True, in 1935, 1936 and 1937, a Democratic Congress passed and FDR signed neutrality acts to keep us out of the Italo-Abyssinian and Spanish civil wars. And FDR did say, “We are not isolationist except insofar as we seek to isolate ourselves completely from war.” But how did staying out of Abyssinia and Spain hurt America?
As for Smoot-Hawley, it was a tariff enacted in June 1930, nine months after the Crash of 1929, which occurred, as Milton Friedman won a Nobel Prize for proving, when the stock market bubble, caused by the Fed’s easy money policy, burst. Smoot-Hawley had nothing to do with a Depression that began in 1929 and lasted through FDR’s first two terms. This is a liberal myth, probably taught to Mr. Bush by New Deal Democrats at the Milton Academy.
America First was an organization of 800,000 anti-interventionists formed at Yale in 1940 by patriots like Gerald Ford, Potter Stewart and Sargent Shriver, backed by John F. Kennedy, to check FDR’s drive to war. Herbert Hoover supported it, and its greatest spokesman was the Lone Eagle, Charles Lindbergh.
But America First did not make policy. FDR did. And it was FDR who, by cutting off Japan’s oil in July 1941, rebuffing Prince Konoye’s offer to meet him in the Pacific or Alaska and issuing a virtual ultimatum on Nov. 26, 1941—to get out of China—that propelled Japan to its fatal decision to attack Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7.
Isolationist is an epithet used to smear those patriots who adhere to Washington’s admonition to stay out of foreign wars, Jefferson’s counsel to seek “peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none” and John Quincy Adams’s declaration that America “goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy.”
Does Bush regard these statesmen as blinkered isolationists?
Protectionism is the structuring of trade policy to protect the national sovereignty, ensure economic self-reliance and “prosper America first.” It was the policy of the Republican Party from Abraham Lincoln to Calvin Coolidge. America began that era in 1860 with one half of Britain’s production and ended it producing more than all of Europe put together. Is this a record to be ashamed of?
Compare protectionism’s success to Bush’s record.
Since 2001, he has presided over the seven largest trade deficits in history, the loss of 3.5 million manufacturing jobs and the collapse of the dollar, and added but one-fifth of the private sector jobs Bill Clinton created. Gold has gone from $260 an ounce to $1,000, oil from $28 a barrel to $100.
“Nativism” is another smear term, dating to the early 1850s and the Know-Nothing Party, which sought to halt immigration after millions of Irish flooded in after the famine of 1845. It carries a connotation of xenophobia, or the fear and hatred of foreigners.
Thus does Bush tar critics who deplore his dereliction of duty in failing to defend this nation’s borders against a Third World invasion that may turn this republic into a Tower of Babel.
From 1924 to 1965, there was indeed little immigration. Does that make Coolidge, Hoover, FDR, Harry Truman, Dwight Eisenhower and Kennedy knuckle-dragging nativists? When JFK took office, we were as united and strong a country as we have ever been. How did we suffer from not having 12 million to 20 million illegal aliens here?
In smearing as nativists, protectionists and isolationists those who wish to stop the invasion, halt the export of factories and jobs to Asia, and stop the unnecessary wars, Bush is attacking the last true conservatives in his party.
Which is understandable. For after the judges and tax cuts, what is there about Bush that is conservative? His foreign policy is Wilsonian. His trade policy is pure FDR. His spending is LBJ all the way. His amnesty for illegals is Teddy Kennedy’s policy.
Two-thirds of the nation says we are on the wrong course. Two-thirds rejects NAFTA and amnesty. Two-thirds wants out of Iraq. Two-thirds rejects Bush. Bush says that people are being misled by those wicked old isolationists, protectionists and nativists. At least he and Poppy will have something to agree on in retirement.
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1 Comment by pablo H on 24 March 2008:
I love Pat and agree with everything he’s written. But do “Boobus Americanus”? Of course not!
After 8 years of Bush the Republicans are about to nominate a Wilsonian, Free trading, open borders fanatic who makes Bush look like Herbert Hoover.
And Judging by the Polls – he’ll win! We ,might as well face it, nothing will be done about *any* of these problems. So invest your money and plan accordingly.
It will only get worse. But thanks to Pat for telling the truth.
2 Comment by MJK on 24 March 2008:
GWB continues to illustrate how dopey and quite sinister he actually is as both a human being and a politician. His rhetoric is fodder for the lazy consumerist mind and his concern for the abstract and ideological is a rouse. GWB is back to being that bored mediocre college senior in his last semester, parroting the shibboleths of the elite Marxist professoriate.
It is laziness and incompetence for one to focus on the abstract when the concrete is cracking all around. And, yet, most “people” right or left, buy modicum of the nonsense GWB is struggling to articulate, or, at the very least, they find it not terribly offensive. Let’s face it: this crap plays in the good old USA, and it makes me wonder is it worth the fight…shall we finally part the field and declare defeat. Listening to GWB and the other dopes who subscribe to this nonsense gives one the headache as painful as banging one’s head against a concrete wall for fun…It’s obvious that GWB enjoys doing that for fun for far too long!
3 Comment by Brock H. on 24 March 2008:
It is difficult for me to hate only Bush the politician and not Bush the person as well. Of course it should be difficult, because my eyes have been opened to what is obvious: Bush is a villain, and a contemptuous and wicked one. Reading the quote from the President’s speech that Pat has presented on this post has officially changed my mind on an important point, and that is that Bush is no longer just an innocent puppet with raging evil neocons like Rove, Cheney, and Wolfowitz pulling the strings. George W. Bush now truly believes all the things he allowed himself to be converted to. He knows WHAT he believes, and WHY he believes it. No more ideological molding by Cheney and company is needed. The presidential candidate who spoke beautifully of a humble foreign policy 8 long years ago . . . that is a picture of himself that he no doubt sneers at when reminded of him. Those villainous neocon enemies of the American Republic who reside at PNAC and AEI . . . the 43rd president of the United States is one of them now. Like Darth Vader, he was once a learner and now a master.
4 Comment by roger on 25 March 2008:
Hopefulley we will get rid of Bush this year, and then this nightmarish administration will end. The problem is that the person selected to be the next U.S. president (John McCain)
will make Bush look like a pacifist, isolationist and protectionist.
In a recent debate, John McCain was confronted with the fact that 70% of the American people are against the war in Iraq. McCains only response was: “So?”
The U.S. is not a democracy anymore. Worse, our leaders do not even PRETEND that the U.S. is a democracy anymore.
5 Comment by Frank on 25 March 2008:
Roger,
McCain should act as he sees fit, not as the people see fit. We elect leaders to do just that.
The problem with McCain is he hates America and dreams of transforming it. And he’ll do anything for power.
We need Buchanan, Dobbs, Tancredo, Hunter, Baldwin… a real American to be made President. These others are aliens who are not loyal and do not belong here. If the Know Nothings were still around, I bet their motto would be, “deport, deport, deport.”
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7 Comment by Flavius Claudius Julianus on 25 March 2008:
Fortunately Bush has only a short time left in office, unfortunately the short time he has left leaves us hard-pressed to enumerate and explain his many deficiencies as a president and a human being. Bush is absolutely worthless. Although an opinion, it could be easily verified as fact. I shall not waste my time, explaining to all whom read these posts my reasons for the aforementioned statement…It is an unnecessary waste of effort…
I am upset…Where is my America??? My money is worth nothing…My job is not secure…My neighborhood is over-run with third-worlders… I am not a happy-camper… Bush and his rich friends…(Repulicrats and Democans) are happy… We, the people, suffer…Screw them all…..
I am saddened by America’s lack of patriots…Where are all the true Americans…The lovers of liberty…The men given to the cause…Willing to deliver their wealth and lives for the cause of freedom…
Bush is an ignorant, stupid, jew-loving neocon…
His major concern is honoring his fealty to israel….
I have known many good, intelligent, honorable people in my life…..None are advisors to the Bushies…..Doesn’t seem just…
8 Comment by Frank on 25 March 2008:
Flavius Claudius Julianus,
Heroes arise in times of crisis, though it’s a shame more don’t rise in times of peace…
Have no fear but, things will only get worse under McCain.
The days of Clinton were better than the days of Bush which will have been better than the days of McCain which…
Darkest before the dawn, though I fear we’ve entered a black hole.
9 Comment by Rublev's Dog on 25 March 2008:
Flavius –
Where are all the true Americans? They were run out of town in 1865.
I love Pat’s commentary; but I tire of his lionizing Abe Lincoln, the first in our long line of corporate dictators.
10 Comment by Clyde Wilson on 25 March 2008:
Let’s face it. Bush is not a rare type. He is only a typical Ivy Leaguer. What he believes is standard stuff for the coporate elite and “educated” Northeasterners.
11 Comment by Grumpy Old Man on 25 March 2008:
A couple of corrections:
As a graduate, I’m embarrassed to say the GWB attended Phillips Academic (Andover), not Milton Academy. I’m not sure he imbibed his Kool-Aid there, although, by the time he got to Yale, he may have been in an alcoholic haze.
Bill Clinton did not “create” jobs; no President does. He may pursue economic policies that allow entrepreneurs to create jobs, but he doesn’t create them. Give Clinton credit, though. He did balance the budget.
12 Comment by Grumpy Old Man on 25 March 2008:
Phillips Academy.
13 Comment by Rick on 25 March 2008:
#11 Congress balanced the budget.
14 Comment by NGPM on 25 March 2008:
@3: Bush may well believe everything he says, but that doesn’t necessarily make them his own thoughts. The follies and inconsistencies of a man with no coherent worldview are wide and deep (and on this point I must mention I am eternally grateful that no one thought me important enough to record my own ramblings throughout my adolescent years!). He accepts any remotely plausible insight at face value and, failing to attach any deeper significance, jettison it the minute he comes into contact with a contrary statement (provided, of course, that the latter does not follow the former too closely).
@11: Actually I would suggest it was Yale that did it to him, or at least that finished the job that his legacy had started. Have you ever met an Ivy League graduate?
@13: “Balancing” a budget is child’s play. All you’re doing is cranking out extra paper notes to pay the bills and then covering up inflation by outsourcing manufacturing tasks and importing slave labour in the service sector.
15 Comment by roho on 25 March 2008:
“It is the absolute right of the STATE to supervise the formation of public oppinion.”
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.”
“The lie can be maintained only for such a time as the STATE can shield the people from the political, economic, and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitallly important for the STATE to use all of it’s power to repress dissent, for truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest ememy of the STATE.”
………Dr. Joseph Goebbels, German Minister Of Propoganda, 1933-1945…………..
Untill America refuses the MSM official word, nothing will change.
16 Comment by Allen Wilson on 25 March 2008:
Bush is unintelligent and incompetent, but still evil. He, like Clinton, Cheney, and all the rest, speaks only in propagandaese. This is sociopathic behaviour. Though he may half way believe the garbage he spews, it doesn’t matter whether he really does or not, it just serves his evil aims. Regardless, the fact that he speaks this way on the matters of vital interest to the survival of the empire and it’s subjects shows not just an unwillingness to deal with reality, but an inability to do so. This is partly due to the fact that to deal with reality would necessitate ending their evil schemes and abandoning their evil aims to do what needs to be done, which they are unwilling to do, and partly due to the fact that as they continue on this path, they become increasingly delusional, believing their own propaganda, thus unable to see or deal with the reality staring them in the face.
For this reason, he, and the rest of the political, social, and cultural elites, are becoming increasingly irrelevant. That will be to our advantage. As long as these fools stay in power, the breakup of the empire is inevitable, and so a movement like the one behind the North American Secessionist Conventions stands an increasing chance of success in the long run, as the elites eventually become as irrelevant as the Communist party elites in the USSR in 1989.
17 Comment by NGPM on 25 March 2008:
“Bush is unintelligent and incompetent, but still evil.”
Oh, I’m not questioning a moral condemnation. Willful stupidity–which pretty well characterises any non-mentally handicapped human being who does not think–is a mark of depravity.
18 Comment by James Beck on 25 March 2008:
The open-ended idea of metaphysics is that the world’s darkening never reaches to the light of Being. But without understanding the essence of truth is the spendor of the simple and a closed or finite set here in the world. Then the former statement in the hands of children like our leaders is a license for irresponsibility and darkness itself. It is also what is meant by the statement Satan sometimes comes as an angel of light. … Really the two statements above are flip sides of the same one coin; but by facing one side or the other Up ‘as if’ that 1/2 were the whole ball of wax or coin then is evil. Bush & Co. is Evil. Even Satan isn’t evil just 1/2 of a coin but is given power when treated as if the whole. It’s also what is meant by Satan is God’s pal in the royal court in a kind of divine sting operation. Satan in other words ferrets out the shills For evil. Sometimes posing as ‘light’ like Bush, or merely selling the dark side like a Cheney. Except Bush & Cheney are just shills not gods. They are mediocre and incompetent, sadistic snobs. Pelosi let them go unpunished and thus uncorrected. She also is thus Evil. She is six of one, they half-dozen of another. This is the nuts and bolts of how these actualities are and how they work regardless of the case specific culture. One (i.e. the group or whole) is not to call Evil, good. Or conversely speak evil of good. No one ESCAPSES the judgements of the actual forever in my opinion. But they certainly seem to, don’t they in the finite set of this world. However there are invisible penalties paid on a personal level that observes like us can’t view and sufficiently take into account…
This is how I see it. It’s also been my own experience on a personal level. Good in this regard is often its own reward.
19 Comment by Doug on 25 March 2008:
Un-freaking-believable.
Falling dollar, unpayable deficits, bankrupt and crime-ridden municipalities, endless low-grade wars, and THIS is what Bush claims keeps him up at night.
20 Comment by robert.reavis@oscn.net on 25 March 2008:
More “isms” ? Anyone who wanted to know, could have known about Mr. Bush. He hasn’t changed in years. Clinton proved it is difficult to hide promiscuity in the Oval Office. Bush has proven it is equally difficult to hide ignorance and incompetence. With leaders like this, we deserve what we get.
And so, General, I want to thank you for your service. And I appreciate the fact that you really snatched defeat out of the jaws of those who are trying to defeat us in Iraq.” –George W. Bush, to Army Gen. Ray Odierno, Washington, D.C., March 3, 2008
“Wait a minute. What did you just say? You’re predicting $4-a-gallon gas? … That’s interesting. I hadn’t heard that.” –George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Feb. 28, 2008
“I’m oftentimes asked, What difference does it make to America if people are dying of malaria in a place like Ghana? It means a lot. It means a lot morally, it means a lot from a — it’s in our national interest.” –George W. Bush, Accra, Ghana, Feb. 20, 2008
“There is no doubt in my mind when history was written, the final page will say: Victory was achieved by the United States of America for the good of the world.” –George W. Bush, addressing U.S. troops at Camp Arifjan in Kuwait, Jan. 12, 2008
“I can press when there needs to be pressed; I can hold hands when there needs to be — hold hands.” –George W. Bush, on how he can contribute to the Middle East peace process, Washington, D.C., Jan. 4, 2008
“In the State of the Union a couple of years ago, I addressed the issue of steroids, and the reason I did so is because I understand the impact that professional athletes can have on our nation’s youth. And I just urge our — those in the public spotlight, particularly athletes, to understand that when they violate their bodies, they’re sending a terrible signal to America’s young.” –George W. Bush, on the baseball steroids scandal, Dec. 14, 2007
“The decisions we make in Washington have a direct impact on the people in our country, obviously.” –George W. Bush, New Albany, Ind., Nov. 13, 2007
“If you’ve got somebody in harm’s way, you want the president being — making advice, not — be given advice by the military, and not making decisions based upon the latest Gallup poll or focus group.” –George W. Bush, New Albany, Ind., Nov. 13, 2007
“I don’t particularly like it when people put words in my mouth, either, by the way, unless I say it.” –George W. Bush, Crawford, Texas, Nov. 10, 2007
“In other words, he was given an option: Are you with us or are you not with us? And he made a clear decision to be with us, and he’s acted on that advice.” –George W. Bush, on President Pervez Musharraf, Crawford, Texas, Nov. 10, 2007
“We’re going to — we’ll be sending a person on the ground there pretty soon to help implement the malaria initiative, and that initiative will mean spreading nets and insecticides throughout the country so that we can see a reduction in death of young children that — a death that we can cure.” –George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Oct. 18, 2007
“All I can tell you is when the governor calls, I answer his phone.” –George W. Bush, San Diego, Calif., Oct. 25, 2007
“My hearts are with the Jeffcoats right now, that’s what I’m thinking.” –George W. Bush, after meeting with California wildfire victims Kendra and Jay Jeffcoat, San Diego, Calif., Oct. 25, 2007
“I fully understand those who say you can’t win this thing militarily. That’s exactly what the United States military says, that you can’t win this military.” –George W. Bush, on the need for political progress in Iraq, Washington, D.C., Oct. 17, 2007
“My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions.” –George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007 (Watch video clip)
“I got a lot of Ph.D.-types and smart people around me who come into the Oval Office and say, ‘Mr. President, here’s what’s on my mind.’ And I listen carefully to their advice. But having gathered the device, I decide, you know, I say, ‘This is what we’re going to do.’” –George W. Bush, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007
“You know, when you give a man more money in his pocket — in this case, a woman more money in her pocket to expand a business, it — they build new buildings. And when somebody builds a new building somebody has got to come and build the building. And when the building expanded it prevented additional opportunities for people to work.” –George W. Bush, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007
etc. etc. etc.
21 Comment by NGPM on 25 March 2008:
“Falling dollar, unpayable deficits, bankrupt and crime-ridden municipalities, endless low-grade wars, and THIS is what Bush claims keeps him up at night.”
What’s so unbelievable? Bush, Cheney and the Washington-Manhattan Neocon axis think only of themselves. To this end, they are not themselves:
1. In danger of losing their vast fortunes,
2. In any sort of personal debt,
3. Exposed to any sort of crime without their personally hired cop entourages, or
4. Getting shelled halfway across the world.
OF COURSE the failure of their plot to import more and more alien slave labour keeps them up at night. It is the one time they might actually not get their way.
22 Comment by Prozium on 25 March 2008:
The Bush/Cheney economic record is even worse than that. The national debt has doubled. Real wages quit stagnating and actually went into decline. The top 2% are raking in their highest share of national income since 1929. Household debt has soared past Roaring Twenties levels. Wall Street strapped itself with derivative dynamite and sold CDO Squareds on subprime mortgages to the world. The Fed injected half a trillion dollars of welfare into the banks to prevent an Enron style meltdown of the U.S. economy. Yesterday, we dropped the pretense of caring about moral hazard. Ripped off foreign investors are still on strike out there. The next president will have to figure out some other way to finance the federal government.
Let’s not forget the type of jobs that have been created since 2001: bartenders, waitresses, construction work for illegal aliens, government jobs, health care workers, etc. We’re almost a decade closer to Peak Oil. T. Boone Pickens thinks we will have $150 oil in two years. How many nuclear power plants have been built? Did we see a serious effort to rebuild passenger rail or exploit America’s vast coal reserves? It took a Democratic Congress to raise fuel efficiency standards for the first time since 1975. Housing prices are still falling and the Boomers will start retiring this year.
It looks like we have a long way down to go. The faux Bush prosperity has only begun to shake out. Bernanke is cutting interest rates in response to breaches in the dike. He’s flying by the seat of his pants. Artificially keeping interest rates low is exactly the policy that created the housing debacle in the first place, but never mind, it is not like we learn from our mistakes in this country. We assume the good times will go on forever.
America is bankrupt at almost every level. The rot extends from the golden parachute executives at the top to the household budget and voting preferences of the last deluded J6P. A total failure.
23 Comment by Edward on 25 March 2008:
The worst thing about this is that the American public, at the hands of the media, believes that Bush is a ‘conservative.’ They look at the fact that he is a Republican and immediately connote it with the word ‘conservative’ thereby perpetuating the myth that Bush is on the so called ‘right.’ He is not. He may not take the Democrat line on every issue (taxes and judges) but he takes it on most. If the American public would get this notion of left/right horizontal politics out of its head then maybe people would understand that 1) Bush is a liberal 2) Neo-conservatives are not the same as conservatives and 3) Being against the war does not immediately classify you as a Marxist.
This will probably never happen as long as the so called conservatives on TV remain so shallow and semi-liberal themselves. You can never discuss philosophy or history on TV, only Obama and Hillary.
24 Comment by Matra on 25 March 2008:
Clyde Wilson: Bush is not a rare type. He is only a typical Ivy Leaguer. What he believes is standard stuff for the coporate elite and “educated” Northeasterners.
It was Southerners and Southern descendants in the West who elected and re-elected Bush. Just as long as you say “Jesus” a lot you can get a way with a lot with Southerners.
Besides read what PB wrote: America First was an organization of 800,000 anti-interventionists formed at Yale
FDR-voting Southerners were beating the drums for war whilst Yalies were forming America First!
PB:“Nativism” is another smear term, dating to the early 1850s and the Know-Nothing Party, which sought to halt immigration after millions of Irish flooded in after the famine of 1845. It carries a connotation of xenophobia, or the fear and hatred of foreigners.
Needless to say the “Know Nothings” – the original “nativists” -were mostly Northerners as well.
Maybe PB could also remind readers that it was in the South – particularly South Carolina and Georgia – that his run for the White House stalled after winning a New England state because he was too much of a protectionist for the New South.
Whether we’re talking about neocon-loving Southerners glued to Fox News or Northern politicians voting for amnesty it seems to me there is plenty of blame to go around.
25 Comment by robert.reavis on 25 March 2008:
Dr. Wilson,
“What he believes is standard stuff for the coporate elite and “educated” Northeasterners.”
Professor,
Can you recommend a University in America today for Southerners or Chronicle readers who still love the old country ? Thank you for any assistance you could give.
PS Are you teaching any classes in South Carolina ?
26 Comment by Rublev's Dog on 25 March 2008:
What Matra says (#24) is painfully true.
I have lived in the South my entire life; but, to paraphrase Dr. Fleming: I came to realize I don’t really live in “the South.” What I know about the South I read in books.
27 Comment by Prozium on 25 March 2008:
It was Southerners and Southern descendants in the West who elected and re-elected Bush. Just as long as you say “Jesus” a lot you can get a way with a lot with Southerners.
Yes, that is because of the context of the Union. He was the most electable national candidate who was willing to give lip service to the concerns of “traditionalists” or social conservatives.
It could always be worse. We could be like Canada, a bilingual state, which already has gay marriage, a human rights tribunal, and an official state policy of multiculturalism.
FDR-voting Southerners were beating the drums for war whilst Yalies were forming America First!
No, the war began when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor and Hitler declared war on the United States. Few Americans desired to go to war for the sake of doing so. Of course it was Britain that started the war; Canada was embroiled in it for years before we were.
Needless to say the “Know Nothings” – the original “nativists” -were mostly Northerners as well.
That makes sense. European immigration was going almost exclusively to the Northeast and Midwest. It was their communities which were being inudated with immigrants.
Maybe PB could also remind readers that it was in the South – particularly South Carolina and Georgia – that his run for the White House stalled after winning a New England state because he was too much of a protectionist for the New South.
Protectionism hasn’t always been good for us. From 1865 to 1945, the agricultural South was looted to prop up American/Northern industrial interests.
Whether we’re talking about neocon-loving Southerners glued to Fox News or Northern politicians voting for amnesty it seems to me there is plenty of blame to go around.
The South voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1957, Civil Rights Act of 1960, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965, the Immigration Act of 1965, the IRCA amnesty of 1984, and the Immigration Act of 1990. It was mostly Southerners who thwarted the most recent amnesty bill(s). Guess who opposed the Reconstruction amedments and the federal civil rights acts of that era.
As Yancey pointed pointed out, and Dr. Wilson has reminded us over the years, the North is always coming up with ever new “wild” and “insane” notions which they then go about forcing on the rest of the country. This has been going on since the earliest days of the Union. Unfortunately, most of these ideas have trickled down and taken root here over the years, but almost all of them are imports.
Secession would be a great idea. Personally, I think it is too late for that. Decades of media brainwashing and suburbanization has eroded the remnants of the traditional Southern way of life. It’s still a noble thought.
28 Comment by Horace Grady on 25 March 2008:
Pqt Buchanan never mentions LEGAL IMMIGRATION. LEGAL IMMIGRATION is major causal factor in the racial and economic dispossession of Native Born White Americans.
His most recent book is a boring rehash. He never mentions role post-1965 Asian “Americans in the racial and economic dispossession of Native Born White Americans.
29 Comment by Horace Grady on 25 March 2008:
I’m very glad that America destroyed Japan in WW11. Japan wouls have invaded and conquered Australi-Australi was atacked and invaded by Japan-an New Zealand. If Japan had conquered Australia and New Zealand, the White Men of these nations would have been enslaved and tortured to death. The White Women of Australia and New Zealand would have made into sex slaves for the troops of the imperial army.
Pat Bucahanan still thinks it was a good idea to destroy Vietnam even though Vietnam did not pose a threat to America. Cuba and Nicaragua were threats to America either. Despite this billions were spent detroying these nations. Many innocents died. Lots of blood dripping from Pat’s Hands.
30 Comment by Clyde Wilson on 25 March 2008:
#24. True, Southerners voted for Bush as the seeming lesser evil. But it was not Southerners who gave the country no choice except between two evils. And a lot of you folks complaining about Bush, including Mr. Buchanan, supported him in two elections. Southerners were not really eager to get into WW II. They just wanted to make sure we were ready for it.
Mr. Reavis, #25. Unfortunately, the answer to all your questions is No.
31 Comment by Horace Grady on 25 March 2008:
Should read:Neither Fidel’s Cuba nor Sandinista Nicaragua were a threat to America’s existence.
32 Comment by Frank on 25 March 2008:
Prozium,
fantastic response!
Horace Grady,
regarding Japan, I hadn’t heard that said before. Well, judging by the Aussies’ suicidal policies today they would prefer to be a dead nation.
Maybe Buchanan will recant on his deathbed since those wars would appear wrong from his world view.
Dr. Wilson,
As you know, Buchanan supported Bush only as the lesser of two evils. At the time of supporting Bush he was even criticising him.
Though I thought Kerry was the lesser evil, voting lesser of two evils seems prudent in swing states. I voted third party because I’m in a Republican bastion.
33 Comment by Rubicon on 25 March 2008:
George W. Bush worst president ever.
Great blog, Fade.
34 Comment by Brock H. on 25 March 2008:
roger @4:
The United States was never supposed to be a democracy. When discussing democracy, each of our Founding Fathers spoke disdainful words about it, except for Jefferson during the French Revolution. They denounced it as a type of government which stripped citizens of the rights which they thought were permanently theirs, all because the passionate feelings of the moment spurred the majority of the people to overturn a law and replace it with a new one. The U.S. was built as a republic, a government which protects all the rights and privileges which the people declare in advance to be non-negotiable. That republic was replaced by an empire 147 years ago. Although some of democracy’s aspects and characteristics (like voting for congressmen and leaders of the executive branch like the president) are good tools to use when forming the leadership of a republican government, democracy in its pure form is not something to look highly upon.
35 Comment by Flavius Claudius Julianus on 26 March 2008:
I feel cheated. I was robbed of the American Dream…If such a thing ever truly existed…
I want the 1940’s and 1950’s back…Or maybe the 1920’s…(some would say we have relived the 1920’s economic policies…) I do like the idea of the ‘flapper’…
As a side-note, does anyone else think it is a crazy idea to put greenspan in charge, once again, of the economy? hillary is nearly as stupid as bush….
36 Comment by Flavius Claudius Julianus on 26 March 2008:
Democracy is a great idea when practiced among educated equals…. However, if the Hellenes and the Romans could not make it work properly and for a sustained period…What business does America have practicing democracy…This country’s citizens can barely read and perform basic mathematics…
I have a better plan…
Remove all the non-whites from America…Then, of the remaining whites, sterilize all those compromised by the jewing of American culture…Subsequently, impose a constitutional monarchy…E.g. the Spartan constitution….A dual monarchy, with an assembly of elders…(not paid of course…civic service is its own reward)………Institute a military service requirement of male citizens…Don’t fight unnecessary wars… Add some lemon zest and season to taste…
A recipe for good government…
37 Comment by Flavius Claudius Julianus on 26 March 2008:
Oh! And by the way…
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
38 Comment by NGPM on 26 March 2008:
@30: “True, Southerners voted for Bush as the seeming lesser evil. But it was not Southerners who gave the country no choice except between two evils. And a lot of you folks complaining about Bush, including Mr. Buchanan, supported him in two elections. Southerners were not really eager to get into WW II. They just wanted to make sure we were ready for it.”
At one time I fantasised that there was still such a thing as wholesome ethnic European enclaves in the North, probably due to second- and third-generationers still swearing in Italian on the streets of my home city of Rochester, New York. On some level there are, though they are still waning as fast as ever and I imagine with my generation they will be lost entirely once and for all.
Dr. Wilson, I count several of the youth of old-stock Southerners among my friends, and I can attest that support for Bush is enthusiastic, grassroots and widespread. If you have yourself managed to avoid such company, I hope you thank the Lord every day for your friends and family, because I find I can hardly go anywhere in America without hearing someone worship Bush, Clinton or Obama.
39 Comment by NGPM on 26 March 2008:
Does it really matter whether Southerners produced the inept and corrupt regime tyrannising us all? I just get the impression that they have been too successfully conquered and colonised, rendered incapable of proposing a formidable decent alternative to the mass destruction. I’m basing this impression off of the Huckabee debacle.
40 Comment by Clyde Wilson on 26 March 2008:
The United States were not meant to be a democracy or a republic. They were meant to be a federal union of republics. Actually, they were not even “meant” to be. That is what they naturally were. If you are going to talk about the origins of the U.S. then the first requirement is to get this part right. Understand that the Republican nationalists did the first and greatest destructive act by perverting the federal government from a limited collaboration of states into a centralised government with no limits upon its power. If you dwell on the republic degenerating into a democracy you are missing the main point.
41 Comment by NGPM on 26 March 2008:
“Understand that the Republican nationalists did the first and greatest destructive act by perverting the federal government from a limited collaboration of states into a centralised government with no limits upon its power.”
It does indeed have a limit on its power: it is completely helpless to do [almost] anything of value for civilisation or for the people it rules.
(Governments can and have done good. Ours just doesn’t seem to be able to.)
42 Comment by John Rutowicz on 26 March 2008:
@ 37
“Flavius Claudius Julianus
Oh! And by the way…
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ”
Since you are such a brave Superman, why don’t you use your real name?
43 Comment by G.S. on 26 March 2008:
I don’t so much mind the lack of a name.
I could, however, do without the vaguely homoerotic fetish for statism, Spartan militarism, and neopaganism.
http://www.leaderu.com/jhs/lively.html
OK, everybody. Let’s take a vote.
Snails, or oysters?
44 Comment by G.S. on 26 March 2008:
After all — as Pastor Rutowicz can no doubt attest — there is a traditional religious term for someone fixated on sameness (homo) to the point of pathological antipathy toward “the Other”: Sodomite.
I’m sure we all know other expressions.
45 Comment by G.S. on 26 March 2008:
Perhaps the correct pronunciation would be “Claudiuth Flaviuth Julianuth.”
46 Comment by John Rutowicz on 26 March 2008:
I wouldn’t care so much about the name thing either except this man makes so much of bravery and honor and manliness, he has contempt for the weak, and wants to “sterilize all those compromised by the jewing of American culture” [read Christians], I’d expect him to live up to some of his professed virtues.
47 Comment by NGPM on 26 March 2008:
C’mon, fellas, leave the poor bloke alone. The best way to discredit leftists, atheists and Nazis is to let them open their mouths.
48 Comment by John Rutowicz on 26 March 2008:
@ G.S.
Your analysis of such behavior is not without merit. When I’m confronted with such racial strutting, I always wonder if there might not be something in one’s genealogy one is trying to deflect attention from.
49 Comment by Claudiuth Flaviuth Julianuth on 26 March 2008:
“…makes so much of bravery and honor and manliness…”
Ooh, ooh! Did thomebody thay *manlineth*!
Count me in!!
50 Comment by Brock H. on 26 March 2008:
Clyde Wilson @40:
If you were referring to my post in an attempt to correct the assertions I made, I thank you. The creation of the federal government and drafting of the Constitution in 1787 merely made official what had already naturally come about. No “intent” or “meaning” concerning our type of government was simply contrived out of thin air in Philadelphia in September of ‘87. I also applaud your grammatically correct statement “The United States WERE . . .”
51 Comment by James Beck on 26 March 2008:
Clyde as always you make the central point in your post #40 above. Mankind’s tendency it seems to me a youthful or a naive tendency is inclinced toward moving BOGUSLY toware the One.
Actually the one is the glue which permits differentiation. We can never understand Being completely i.e. peek into it [spy] or turn up and look under a corner of the rug of the universe since we are a part of it and not separate. However it is a desire of mankinds and a childish one to believe we can know being which as a whole is one and thus we tend to bogusly move toward that which we ingorantly perceive the one to be. Funny, too, [sadly?]
Somewhere along the way I read (and i’m not sure if it’s Yeats, i could google it later) as a commentary of where we are in TIME today:
“We are too late for the gods
and too early for Being.
Being’s poem, just begun, is man.”
I used to say on the old sf site my only optimism with regard to mankind is in how young we are. As for the case specific: – Bush – everyone on the old sf site to a man predicted [spookily enough possums] in detail exactly what the W. Bush years would be to a “T” while he was President including Iraq & prior to his election. We knew the neo-cons. … Interestingly enough it was the neo-cons Wolfowitz, Feif, Pearle A.I.P.A.C. and their boys Rummy & Cheney who gave Bremmer his marching orders for de-Bathification of Iraq and the dismantling of Iraq’s army, with doh-doh (Bush) in tow? … I wonder if W. was consciously playing along. Or with just a little more spine to stand up to them utilizing Powell & Rice rather than bending over for the rest of the bad guys, our boys/soldiers in Iraq would have been home shortly after the “Mission Accomplished” speech, and Bush might have succeeded. Otherwise if W. knew the score he then consciously went along tongue-in-cheek, when he could pry it down from the roof of his mouth.
Because as we had explained Iraq’s and America’s success on a bicycle built-for-two wasn’t the Other gameplan for Iraq, the neo-con gameplan which we also exposed on the old sf site. … If we mattered in the politics of this country (if there really was differentiation) and our efforts and discourse altered the course, I suppose we’d get the Nobel Prize for Peace? Because that other sort of chicanery or behind the scenes perfidy in government via foreign influence is also Evil. … But they HAVE the MEDIA here, and so now of course as expected and predicted by us 8 years ago their ‘out’ is it is/was ALL “Bush’s War”. That’s hutzpa but crosses the line into EVIL. I wondered out loud back then if W. would take the fall and go to jail, and if so would the neo-cons at least bring him chocolates? (Humor) … the reply was no of course not but history down the road, if written at all honestly, would have to record him as having been a total jerk. Wow. Like I said my only optimism resides in how young mankind apparently is.
In the meantime a toast to W. & to his chemins qui ne menent nulle part. At least he’s still got those ‘isms’ that bedevil him wrapped up. Funny.
52 Comment by David Collins on 26 March 2008:
While PJB’s article is interesting, the comments are better. Even the Man of a Thousand Names – today he’s Claudius Flavius Julianus – was good for a laugh. And Robert Reavis’ rundown of Bushisms was priceless!
53 Comment by Flavius Claudius Julianus on 26 March 2008:
To: John Rutowicz and G.S.
“Since you are such a brave Superman, why don’t you use your real name?”
Why don’t I use my real name, because silly little christians like you would use it to punish my family and friends. As for being a ‘homo’, well, that is just silly name-calling…And name calling isn’t nice… Just ask pastor Haggert… Or the many other christian homos…
As for my bravery…please…where is your bravery… Picking on a poor defenceless freedom-lover like myself…
Concerning the NAZI reference… I do have sympathy for the cause they were fighting for, however, I do fault them for the fact ‘they failed’…
Now, if you want to have a real conversation, then stop the childish insults, read a real book for once (not just the good book) and pull out of the little alterboys long enough to make an intelligent post.
By the way, since when has it become unfashionable to dislike and distrust the jew… Oh! That’s right… Since they took over the media and brainwashed you poor, inept little christians…(oh! sorry about the name-calling…)
54 Comment by roho on 26 March 2008:
I am a true Southerner, cut from the cloth of my great grandmother’s father that surrendered with the 47th Alabama Infantry at Apamatox.
The “Old South” was a christian society that provided a classic education to their children as proven in the many magnificant letters of history written by the troops during the war of “Northern Agression”………….RECONSTRUCTION was part of the “Dumbing Down” of the South, inorder to hold it back indefinately. This plan combined with huge doses of guilt poured out on the traditional Southern offspring created exactly what the Northeastern Cosmopolitians wanted.(An ignorant culture of people willing to die to prove their worthiness in a phoney union). 2 Quick points:
1. Ignorant does not mean stupid, but “Without information.”
2. Research the % of Southern soldiers that have served in America’s wars sence the war of Northern Agression?
Northeasterners recognized early on that if they “Owned the South’s clergy, they could manipulate their ignorance based on their strong faith and national commitment!”…………..How many pathetic TV evangelists have groveled inorder to sit at the King’s table, and led their Southern Flock astray for their personal ambitions?……..Because of the ignorance factor, the SOUTH buys into the MSM “Official State Position”. But, the internet is changing things, and “Washington” knows that time is running out on their canon fodder. Young Southerners are now learning the truth about the last 150 years, and NOT developing into the “LINCOLN WORSHIPERS OF THE PAST”!……………When the old die away, the new will say “F*#K YOU Yale graduates! Fight your own wars!”……And without the SOUTH, the Pentagan is screwed! Bush knows this, and now needs MEXICAN CANON FODDER!”
55 Comment by Frank on 26 March 2008:
Flavius Claudius Julianus,
Sparta was far smaller than is the US. It’s Constitution might… not be compatible.
The city I live in is far larger than I understand Sparta to have been…
56 Comment by James Beck on 26 March 2008:
I thought I was man of a thousand names. I distance myself from this impostor – Flavius Claudius Julianus. Every now and again a moth heads towards the ‘one’ light – and tries to be me – the Actual man of a thousand names. What can I do? That’s life. If I ever found a name I liked – believe me, I’d stick with it. Sadly I’m like that little kid Mike’ie from the commercial a number of years back in that – I don’t like anything. I like my cave. I like walking. I like reading. I like the sun. I don’t even like Navrozov … and I should. Go figure. I don’t like anything. I kid. No, no I don’t. No wonder I don’t like Bush or neo-cons’victs (except they’re not in prison.) No wonder. I walk along with you no love like our love they say – but then one day – it all was lost (of course) somewhere along the way….. Well, take heart we’re still very young. Very, very young. Just the other day I was saying to king Cyrus… ‘let’s send them somewhere to build something, it’s getting a little bit thick around here…Let’s call it the 2nd Temple (as in our fiction) rather than the first.’ And we LAUGHED. It worked! … I walk along with you, along the avenue… No love like our love they say……..
57 Comment by Frank on 26 March 2008:
Beck, if you’re who I think you are, you’ve been lost for a good while in the Chronicles write backs
If you’re ah having problems as you seem to be: habit, pursuing a goal, studying something rigorously, and physically excercising in a similarly rigorous manner can be beneficial…
And I’m seeing Kinism move in my direction now. You might like wearing that hat, everyone needs a hat. And hats keep us warm from the cold winds of the abyss, as does a nice sweater to warm the heart. (poor attempt at speaking as you do
)
58 Comment by James Beck on 26 March 2008:
Frank I don’t know if i’m who you think i am – however good comments. you’re someone to follow or at least their advice. good. i’m almost there out of my own lostness. very good. i’m getting strong now… like rocky. thanks for your comments. good work. now that i’ve said that…i’m knocking on wood.
you’re in good company… here’s Parmenides:
… but you should learn all:
the untrembling heart of unconcealment, well-rounded,
and also the opinions of mortals
who lach the ability to trust what is unconcealed.
so thanks Frank, for being frank. I can take it…
the aletheia…
good.
59 Comment by Flavius Claudius Julianus on 26 March 2008:
Mr. Beck
I shall not be branded an imposter… I am unique and not in the habit of pretense.
Have a pleasant day!
60 Comment by Flavius Claudius Julianus on 26 March 2008:
Frank,
I understand the United States cover a larger area than did Sparta, scale shall not be an issue in the America of the future. –As long as it is homogeneous.
61 Comment by robert m. peters on 26 March 2008:
Dr. Wilson,
Your words:
“The United States were not meant to be a democracy or a republic. They were meant to be a federal union of republics. Actually, they were not even “meant” to be. That is what they naturally were. If you are going to talk about the origins of the U.S. then the first requirement is to get this part right. Understand that the Republican nationalists did the first and greatest destructive act by perverting the federal government from a limited collaboration of states into a centralised government with no limits upon its power. If you dwell on the republic degenerating into a democracy you are missing the main point.”
In the quote supra lies the crux of the history of these States united: what those states (republics) in their relationship to one another should be (have been) and what that relationship has become – usurped by a general government and the elites who came to control it.
62 Comment by Frank on 26 March 2008:
Flavius Claudius Julianus,
it will with regard to monarchy imo. Not that I favour mass voting as we have now, but moderations can be made.
—
James Beck,
Like Rocky? heh, very funny. Naw I meant such might make one feel better. But yea I guess I, a random stranger, am certainly not the one to take advice from…
The rigorous studying adds structure to the mind if you’re stressed, and the habit/routine is used by a lot of folks to stay efficient.
If not you then someone in here has been focusing on the uncertainty of the meaning of life for years in here, without seeming to make any gains towards such a goal, which is to be expected because there’ll never be any certainty outside faith, which is concealed as you say… The solution if faith is rejected might be to learn to appreciate what is and to give it its value, or to allow nature and/or society to provide meaning and value.
Anyway, I didn’t mean to bring you into the spotlight, just thought that might be useful advice. I’ll return to meddling in my own fairs now though.
63 Comment by James Beck on 26 March 2008:
Flavius my apology. You are unique. Now that the human genome has been mapped completely – wow – no two of us are identical except for identical twins. And even the identical twins at least have different fingerprints. Amazing. You have a good sense of humor too I suspect or are at least a good sport. If there is reincarnation I hope to come back as an investment banker making $5 Million per week like the big shots do. I doubt there’s a gene for it though. You know the old joke: It’s not who you know or what you know, but who you are… Err well, no it’s who you know. (Humor, sort of.) How dumb am I, in putting them down. Sad.
64 Comment by John Press on 27 March 2008:
Except for wanting to opt out of WW II, I agree with Mr. Buchanan completely.
Isolation and nativism have been tarnished. Xenophobia is a phobia. Nationalism has a bad reputation. Do you all realize that there is no positive word for protecting and loving our culture?
Patriotism is, perhaps, an exception. But it does not give us values and direction because it is not overt about its historical and cultural roots.
The only approved “ism” these days is multiculturalism. This is positive because it believes we have no core culture. Its motto, “celebrate diversity” seems like a ploy to undermine our core culture.
Culturism values cultures. It recognizes that the West has a core culture. Unlike patriotism, it can provide direction. Our culture provides values. Forced marriage and Sharia can be officially banned via culturism’s rules.
Culturism also notes that Mexican culture is not the same as ours. It gives us a positive rational reason to discuss limiting immigration.
Failing that, culturism allows us to push our values, because it recognizes we have them.
Such positions are not racist, they are culturist. We need to make leftists eat their words. Diversity exists and really is important. So while racism is illogical, culturism is necessary.
Finally, since culturism, by definition, values majority cultures, it does require us to go make other nations conform to Western ways. Culturism ackowledges international diversity. Just as Saudi Arabia protects its unique culture, we must do the same.
Pat is right, all the “isms” have been hijacked. We need a positive “ism” to express our views as well as counter multiculturalists and those who call everyone who notes diversity a racist.
http://www.culturism.us
65 Comment by James Beck on 27 March 2008:
“Do you all realize that there is no positive word for protecting and loving our culture? … We need a positive “ism” to express our views…” -John Press
Yes. Attitude isn’t everything or absolute but it is one of the essential keys to both personal and societal health. We don’t have our own media currently as a nation but even if we did it would require a conscious effort not at happy-propaganda but avoiding our apparent propensity for and imbalance toward self-loathing. Given time & being why is this inclination in that direction the case in our civilization/culture at this point or juncture in TIME … i.e. self-loathing?
Is it merely that we are dominated today by judaica and unconsciously or subconsciously their famous ’self-hating’ is manifested inevitably? No this phenomenon at this point in TIME is also a part of the larger civilization/culture [probably] as well. If so *why at this juncture, or at this point in time or at this time of our being?
Well in dealing with Being itself so far in time it has been prudent to put a lach or lock on our ability to trust unconcealment as beings. … It then is also experienced TODAY as a lack of an ability to trust unconcealment. … But there’s a back and forth. Beings move in time but time also moves Being and thus how beings intuitively experience or feel they want and actually ought to be. … This isn’t new in that our whole cultural experience moving forward as a civilization has been predicated APPROPRIATELY on Plato and Aristotle and all of Greek culture and they all dealt with this issue of Being. … And they anticipated what might be next in time when the time came where we human beings are concerned. They took it as far as they could at that time and THAT time has lasted per se all this time until about now.
It means we don’t abandon the past or tradition but build upon it toward listening to how we need to be next. That’s why there’s also a fixation at the moment in judaica with what is the ‘authentic.’ But the question has to be formulated appropriately which is – what is authentically next? The judaic has been influenced by the West and conversely to some extent a lesser extent the West has also been influenced by the judaic. Being itself (at least in our civilization) as it has been moved along by time seems to be nudging us beings in the direction of being more familiar and familiarly content with (as Parmenides referred to it) our unconcealment.
So if we as a microcosmic group who frequent this site for example or as a larger group with more popular spokespeople like Pat are looking for our own ism these days. Perhaps it ought to be referred to as Beingism, not humanism or human beingism per se. … Because the tenet being expressed here by myself is that Being itself is moved along by time. … And now going back to Plato as he pointed out: the Being of beings themselves is not a being per se. … So yes we are human first and foremost [obviously] and hinged upon everything that preceded in our past. But now we are charged at this point in time with exploring how to be within our own *unconcealment rather than hidden because hidden means also to too large an extent hidden from ourselves. Life previously in civilization has been of *necessity a game. But what I am suggesting is we are approaching the doorstep in time and of a time now when it is no longer too early for Being. ?
Previously and understandably since it wasn’t yet time to even broach this fact (that time also moves Being itself) and thus the fact of how it is today or about to be today – to even broach this was considered or held to be a mistake in *method – and correctly so since at that time it WAS untimely. But now there’s an afterglow happening today from the past ‘as if’ it is yet timely to consider this a mistake in method…which is ok since we’re in transition or approaching transition.
That’s why people like us still get such automatic resistance. However Beingism as a positive ism : is suggesting it is now a mistake in method NOT to broach this and start to become more familiar with it and with ourselves in our unconcealment. Because there is nothing so powerful not only as an idea whose time has come (because sometimes they come and go if only matters of fashion.) But really there may not be anything so powerful as a way of Being once time has actually moved it and subsequently us to another relational moment in time with it. … A priori to Being if you believe in God, G-d or an inceptionary source great. But who can look into the FACE of God and live. While more modestly BEING itself requires that we live in harmony with where time has moved it. Correct?!
This is something we can only sense since Being too [like God] will always be both a given and an enigma. But unless and until we begin to do THIS all of the other isms out there now or most of them like globalism etc. are only vain attempts at prolonging our Being as it No longer is. … Thus it is not us standing in the way of the *common isms today. Rather they are doomed to failure now by where Being itself is at presently. Well that’s my opinion or sense of Being as it is now. Be there dudes or be square?!
66 Comment by James Newland on 27 March 2008:
John Press @ 64 wrote: “The only approved ‘ism’ these days is multiculturalism. This is positive because it believes we have no core culture. Its motto, ‘celebrate diversity’ seems like a ploy to undermine our core culture.”
It seems that way because that’s exactly what it is. Consider: if equality is the highest good, as liberals say it is, then wouldn’t the ultimate in equality be the sharing of a common culture among all men? But liberals take the other tack: their “equality” amounts to “separate but equal,” a doctrine that in other contexts they profess to hate: each man should be able to have his own culture, but not have it be valued less than the next man’s.
This doctrine is incoherent, and the reason it’s incoherent is because it’s not built upon a desire for equality. It’s built upon a desire to destroy.
67 Comment by NGPM on 27 March 2008:
“This doctrine is incoherent, and the reason it’s incoherent is because it’s not built upon a desire for equality. It’s built upon a desire to destroy.”
Well, of course. Once they realised how unpopular their bloodthirsty and Sadist campaign could become if it were carried out immediately and literally (as in the French Revolution), they had to disguise their agenda with buzzwords to seduce the masses. Some of us would call such blatant misrepresentation “lying”–and of course we all know the name of the Liar.
68 Comment by James Beck on 27 March 2008:
ditto NGPM & James Newland… all of these common and in my opinion dated ‘isms’ multi-culturalism, globalism … shall evaporate ‘like dew before the morning sun’ as they are – precisely because the ground in which they are grown now is one of and for BEING’ISM, as articulated above in post # 65. I no longer feel it is too early for being… and the other ‘isms’ of the past… only thrive in another ground, and one that in being pro-game and appropriately so in the past, are now anti-being [inappropriately so] in the present. I think people are beginning to sense this. Again like thinking itself it is something we do anyway and in doing it consciously it is something we at first only noticed and later became able to refine. So it is with the ground of Being when it shifts again in a similar manner. Fascinating. I’m only noticing it and naming it first. I didn’t (of course) create it. We didn’t create the ground upon which we stand.
69 Comment by PcH on 28 March 2008:
That would be nice, but there are at least 110 criminal aliens roosting here. Official figures made by the usurpers in our government don’t count the spawn. The number of criminal aliens is so big, the only solution is to declare war on Mexico, evacuate all the aliens, and chase down those guilty of capital treason for “aiding and abetting” the enemies of these United States by importing them here. Whatever happened to our sense of right and wrong? Genocide of America is a big wrong.
70 Comment by PcH on 28 March 2008:
I meant 110 million alien invaders.
71 Comment by John Press on 28 March 2008:
James Beck, interesting and deep. I use Plato in culturism. But I mainly use him and Aristotle to show that philosophy used to be concerned with man in the context of his polis. Post-Kantian philosopher’s praise of the universal has really messed us up. Universal rights being the prime example.
I trace multiculturalism, perversely enough, back to the Puritans. It isn’t a major emphasis. Their searching their excellent souls for sin and wanting to be humble shares more with multiculturalism than Judaica.
Of course you might ask, “why then did we not see it much earlier?” The modern manifestation, in my reading, of multiculturalism comes from the communist Frankfurt School. They came here as Nazi refugees. Marcuse was huge in the 1960s. His “repressive tolerance” is THE blueprint for PC. It says not allowing non-progressive voices is the only way to progress.
Puritanism only sets us up to be willing to adopt multiculturalism. Neither Islam nor China would go for it. The Frankfurt school sought to undermine the West. Their work was designed to destroy us and will if we do not jettison it. Intellectual battles are important. That is why I think culturism can help.
We need unity based on the fact that we have a shared Western culture.
72 Comment by James Beck on 28 March 2008:
“The Frankfurt school sought to undermine the West. Their work was designed to destroy us and will if we do not jettison it. Intellectual battles are important. That is why I think culturism can help.
We need unity based on the fact that we have a shared Western culture.” -John Press … I agree. They [Frankfurt shcool] today in this country are the neo-cons, and their cousins/twins the neo-liberals. And their great funding source and hammer is A.I.P.A.C. the Jewish-Israeli Lobby in the U.S. They also have the MEDIA here and the pols for the most part in Washington. … I agree intellectual arguments are important but they know what they are doing and do so willfully and in a comprehensive i.e. totalitarian fashion. So that it seems to me, although I may be wrong, that they put you on the Titanic know it’s headed at full speed through the ice zone (they’re not on it) and your intellectual arguments, although important, and unity on board the great ship is salutary – it’s like rearranging the deck chairs at this point?
They also have academia. They are in the minority, yes, but they are a well organized team with the same purpose vs. a much larger population of sort of lone rangers and mavericks who don’t usually tend to play well together. They also have Wall Street and the Fed. I mean, do you see what I’m saying… what ‘chance’ have you, short of divine intervention? Though I agree with you and have decided your efforts are necessary both personally and as a part of the collective. Sure. … And being more ‘intellectual’, which indeed I ought to be is important, except it’s like an exercise on a treadmill for the mind like push-ups for the body. Where does it get us toying with the deck chairs of the mind so to speak when the captain of the great ship ought to be under house arrest or the boiler room where the engine is at commandeered and slowed or shut down? Again, I’m probably alarmist. I say what I say but prefer, frankly speaking to follow folks like yourself and the editors of this site who are probably or are often more erudite and of greater equanimity dispositionally? At least that’s my guess.
I see how Plato and Aristotle are respesented by yourself and that is also accurate, for this reason too. Although Aristotle relied on Plato’s ontological position that Being is the most universal but also the emptiest of concepts (in other words it doesn’t have the character of a *possible being). And so genus therfore is to be considered higher due to the actual material content of its manifold generic concepts/& beings. I.e. A Saddam Hussein can legitimately be a true son of his Sunni people and still a Shia or Jewish nightmare, and of course vice versa. Thus Aristotle agreed that only in a vague or vacuous regard does the universality of Being obviously surpass the universality of genus. But Aristotle posited the unity of Being and genus on a case by case basis exists too (obviously) without changing the universality of Being in toto and so it allows for Aristotle’s unity of *analogy. That’s because Aristotle wanted to set the stage for exploring the problem of Being itself. Rather than simply assuming that since it is the most universal concept it must be the clearest and needs no further discussion. … For example you see morons like our western leaders pontificating all the time ‘as if’ their universalist perceptions and moral schematics i.e. schemes usually are a ‘given’ for all…And clearly need such universal acceptance worldwide. When in Fact nothing could be farther from the actual. Plato would agree that of course nothing in that regard could be farther from the actual. Except he felt or intuited Being to be a universal but *empty concept and thus it gave him license to simply imagine Forms (i.e. mere verbal knowledge) that were/are the progenitors of what we experience in our world and he brilliantly described then what he imagined to be the case.
Medieval ontology mistakenly in my opinion considered the concept of Being a ‘transcendant’. In my opinion if there is a transcendant God or G-d – then Being as it pertains to our world therefore could NOT be a transcendant, obviously, in so far as Being is still a part of our dimensional world of height, width, depth and time. I intuit or think or feel that I notice that on a case by case basis in terms of the genus considered time actually moves Being itself and thus the beings in the category of said genus. This would also ‘make sense’ since we are all similar but *different. And this phenomenon happens – because Being itself is also within time and subject to whatever sort of evolution is going on here!?! as well. … But the mistake of medieval ontology in its considering Being transcendant has led to the puritans and to the frankfort school in so far as they may or may not be sincere about their universalist notions allowing for the possibility of multi-cultural societies (both Plato & Aristotle would agee there’s no such ‘animal’.) But Frankfort may be conscious of the mistake and surreptitiously utilizing the error as a carrot & cudgel in moving all of the rubes around for its own purposes. If I’m conscious of it, arent’ they? … But the puritans in their religious fervor were ’sincere’ or *real phonies (i.e. phonies who don’t know that they are.) Because the puritans believe (unlike Aritotle who wanted the problem discussed and explored) that first Being is transcendant which is silly on its face because it could not be transcendant in terms of the supernatural God they were thus associating Being with. And secondly that their universalist notion (which for them is *reality) is also knowable. … When you combine stupidity with hubris or spiritual pride you get a puritan who is at least not a barbarian per se, so there’s the good news there. Right? When you combine stupidity with hubris of a secular nature you get a member of the Frankfort school; unless of course they know about this mistake or Error too and are only utilizing it in a very refined & totalitarian way to coax and hammer the rubes over the head and have their own way with them. If ‘they’ i.e. the Frankforts as it were are in fact more civilized than the general population or the rubes maybe that too is some sort of ‘good news.’ ? Given a choice I’d prefer the puritan. He’s at least more harmless and to some extent cut from the same cultural cloth as the rest of us.
Wouldn’t you prefer the religious phony to the secular & surrpetitious phony?
Anyway what I’m insinuating in my post above this post, which you responded to – is that short of divine intervention you may be ’saved’ or at least the situation mitigated by the fact that time is moving Being again where our genus is concerned. And so this may to some extent move those-along with you-with whom you are in opposition and who are surpassing or dominating you, at least organizationally and directionally back to parity? If, as I’m guessing it’s no longer too early for Being. Then those who play within civilization as if it is only a game (and was in fact prudent to do in the past and up till now) will have to adjust too. That’s good news, if so. BEING. We may be young but it might be ready for us and versa vica?
Of course lets also stick with the deck chairs and unity on board – who knows maybe we’ll miss the next iceberg?! Do we have enough life boats?! Cheers.
73 Comment by Frank on 28 March 2008:
Mr. Beck,
clearly you’re not whom I was thinking you were… disregard the previous 2 posts. My excuse: reading/posting in a hurry
Apologies… >.> There is a poster in here who posts odd things, but your posts are clearly stated and undeserving of the mistaken identity. (Perhaps then I’m the one who needs to follow his own advice
) I’m a fool for my haste – what I can follow of your posts are brilliant, I can’t see how I made the mistake now.
That matter settled:
The elitist statement you make here is spot on:
To overthrow them, a similarly unified and well organised minority/elite must form. However… I don’t think Mr. Press agrees with you on the identity of the elite.
Jews should prefer pro-Jewish whites to anti-Jewish immigrants. And I’m starting to see them switch over, e.g. with culturalism. However, their power in the US and history of dominating on the left is unsettling, and I certainly don’t like that they have different foreign ties than do Europeans or that they identity far less weakly with Europeans and perhaps with America than do those Europeans of other nations. Hopefully we can both work together with such concerns appropriately considered, else we might both be driven from the US.
I liked these too:
Today we have the Way of the Cross univeralism combined with a seemingly selfish sole concern for one’s own immortal soul compounded by willful ignorance. And on the other side, a similar secular and pagan manifestation albeit more materialist.
And spread out among them are a few of us sane humans with some healthy attachment to fellow humans and the material world.
I never cared for the idea of being ruled over by an elite that is less than honest with me either.
74 Comment by Frank on 28 March 2008:
James Beck,
the term I’ve heard used is ‘ancestral traditions,’ and I’ve closely associated it with Kipling’s The Stranger.
75 Comment by James Beck on 28 March 2008:
“Jews should prefer pro-Jewish whites to anti-Jewish immigrants. And I’m starting to see them switch over, e.g. with culturalism. However, their power in the US and history of dominating on the left is unsettling, and I certainly don’t like that they have different foreign ties than do Europeans or that they identity far less weakly with Europeans and perhaps with America than do those Europeans of other nations. Hopefully we can both work together with such concerns appropriately considered, else we might both be driven from the US.” – Frank
Hey Frank – thanks to people like you who Can understand me I’ll keep my nome de plume. No it is my *real name James Beck – is there really such a thing-?-a real name – except for those of our genus possesed of language. jews are cool or have been, as it were, slightly in advance -not much- so they’re backtracking to who they are more than not. Funny. Life. I like enjoy smacking them around a little bit…they smack me around and when they do i presume they enjoy it? Life. I have a minority of jewish genes, for which i’m grateful, they’re in the minority. When i feel self-loathing, i assume it’s the jewish genes having good taste for a change. I doubt it’s a lynching mob of the European genes. Yeah i’ll stick with me from now on so as not to confuse you – i’ll just post under the above monker.
Now that i’ve said that… my experience has been that the trolls will start posting under my name, sadly. i wish they’d Get a Life?! whatever. Does it really matter Frank? … Let’s hope so of course – albeit probably not. Don’t despair… what possibly could be a better argument for the spiritual? … wuv, ya. [oh, no now they'll send me to therapy.]
76 Comment by Frank on 28 March 2008:
I’m similarly mixed: I have little wars inside between the Celts and English, then occasionally a Frenchman will break free and chaos will ensue. Then out of the chaos comes the voice of the Southron: Ethnogenesis! Thankfully I’ve not yet discovered any Yankee blood.
I like the Celts the best though, so I usually pretend I’m fully Celtic… A Celt living in the Southland. No one likes the English nowadays anyway, nor whites for that matter. It’s the One Drop Rule in reverse: one drop ethnic and you can get in line for reparations (as opposed to one drop and you’re excluded.)
Back to the meaning of life… I recall wandering around my dorm room in college for a few days half mad after a biology *cough* evolution *cough* class had presented what appeared a fairly tight case for evolution, the final ah bit of sealant was how we could have gone from unicellular organisms to multicellular… Suddenly my Christian leaning theism was shattered, and I couldn’t find meaning… I won’t go into the details of what thoughts led me out of this wilderness, but this type of thing is maddening… and though all must face this uncertainty and fear of the abyss, most don’t seem to fully comprehend it or perhaps are simply wise enough not to face it.
It’s refreshing to talk to someone who forms his own opinions, who thinks, even if our thoughts don’t count (since we might be outside the current American culture… which would be a love of McDonald’s of course!! – McDonald’s being inspired by the American moral center wherein all meaning is derived: I consume therefore I am, the purpose of life is pleasure, and when in doubt blame whitey.)
77 Comment by James Beck on 28 March 2008:
we’re all “nuts” (or therabouts)… sorry i usually can only read me, imperfectly. this is all like a workout on a treadmill, ‘as if’ someone said it’s 400 miles to Philadelphia and we all somehow believed getting on the treadmill and running the 400 miles on the meter would get us there.
sorry. i’m bailing out –
more accurately… everyone else jumped, i’m landing my plane and going Home. there is NOTHING else. sorry. your Endorphins are plummeting now… get them Up again elsehwere or have wine… you won’t notice.
funny… go to a comedy club. Or read navrozov… now i appreciate him. no wonder chronicles grabbed him.
78 Comment by Frank on 28 March 2008:
Lol.
79 Comment by The Red Skull on 28 March 2008:
Mr. Buchanon is once again direct on target.The dissatifaction with the state of affairs in this country is palpable.Most people i talk to aren’t very hopeful about the future of the nation.Endless war,loss of liberty,down-sizing,off-shoring,importation of foreign “slave labor”,pension and benefit cuts,unaffordable healthcare,a controlled press,and plummeting dollar are all combining to bring America to its knees.The fact that a small group of chosenites are the main manipulators is lost on the average joe 6-pack who yell loudly for their team on the weekend.Neither party will change anything because they’re both bought and paid for.The only candidate who might have reversed this ugly trend and saved the situation has been selectively marginalized by the controlled MSM.Can’t have someone abolishing the Fed or the IRS,or restoring liberty, can we?The choices we’re to be given include a mulatto muslim marxist with a white-hating “advisor”,a communist bi-sexual,power-hungry whore or a mentally unstable,closet-liberal,free trade,open borders sell-out torture victim.Either way count on more illegals(soon to be legalized),more war for a foreign country,more bad economy,more resentment from the rest of the world for sticking our nose where it doesn’t belong.The yankee empire has alot of chickens coming home to roost in the near future,and when they all lay their eggs,this hen-house of horrors will collapse like a house of cards.The Iceberg has been sighted, and thanx to the captain and crew,we’re headed straight for it.
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81 Comment by COMEON427 on 2 April 2008:
@ 36 I think you have a good instinct but a warped vision of what would make America successful.
I think we should have any citizen owe two years of service to the country. Men and women alike should have to complete this by age 26 but not be allowed the traditional ‘draft’ exemption of attending college. There should however, be an exemption for those completing high school until age 20 for various and sundry reasons. Women have the same ability to contribute to a great country.
I believe the American version of democracy will work better when the population is truly heterogenous; with no remaining large homogenous groups bent on sustaining their self-interests. So perhaps your program of purity could be turned inside out, require cross-breeding of all minority types until no one persons descent is truly remarkable from any others. Probably we are closer to this reality and it’d be easier to attain.
In addition, I truly have no understanding of all of this conversation about “true freedom” being related to the south. What I do know is that I could possibly listen to a southerner for more than 20 seconds if we bred out that irritating accent of theirs.
82 Comment by Frank on 2 April 2008:
COMEON427,
you’re quite the deep thinker…