Comments on: The Hague vs. Karadzic: A Grim Update

By: jack bailey

jack bailey — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:35:47 +0000

Dr. Trifkovic mentions that he was at one point an advisor to the Royal family on his trips to visit Karadzic. This pertains I believe to the humanitarian actions that the Serb Royals engaged in at that time. (The program was in fact aimed to help both sides in the conflict). While the Royals were very concerned about the human catastrophe, it is safe to say that privately the Royals were and still are dismayed at the type of nationalism espoused by Seselj, Karadzic, Cosic (Cosic being the main ideologue of the Serbian cause). This type of nationalism is in fact completely at odds with the Royals’ own understanding of nationalism and also of how they perceive the role of the monarchist tradition as a benign force in Serb history.
The biggest problem with the Cosic’s interpretation of nationalism is that it propagates national identity as the basis of the personal identity. It is in fact the other way around. National identity is formed thorugh the actions of all individual identities. It is silly to claim that kneeling at the altar of sarma, cevapcici, the trumpet orchestra or that blind acceptance of pronouncements by the central committee of the Serbian Ortodox Church or SANU makes one a Serb. but this is in fact what people like Seselj and Cosic believe and are demanding from people that would be Serbs to this day! Anyone who gets a chance to watch the Seselj-Karadzic St Vitus celebration day (that is easily reachable on the internet) can truly appreciate how debasing this process is. But the two were able to inflame the passions with such actions and this had led to a shameful civil war, were one side killed the other’s civilians and then the other side did the same. There was comparatively little actual combat between the armies! Now the reason why the people who are responsible for this whether Croat, Serb or Muslim, are not being tried by their own courts (and that is truly shameful) is why a subsidiary court like the Hague exists. The Hague is a political court and is perceived biased against the Serbs but some of this bias happens due to poor defense strategies by the serb side. For the Serb side, lamenting over or testifying at the Hague by recycling Cosic’s ideology and interpretations of history is misguided as it is only a proof to the Tribunal that such a witness or such a defense is indoctrinated in the malicious ideology that the Tribunal is hoping to anathemize in the first place! Thus the line of defense currently used in the cases in front of the Tribunal is doomed to fail but is played out nonetheless for the benefit of the followers of this ideology back home in Serbia. On the other hand, if it was ever implied that a communist conspiracy in fact started the civil war, with the goal of derailing the aims of the West as it pertained to the Balkans, there would be something to work with that could be believable. Under such a defense, the Bosnian Serb army would have been forced to act the way it did and would have had to do what it had to do but only after the communist conspiracy succeeded. Such a strategy would be beneficial to many of the defendants, but it is not being used on purpose. Thus this Shakespearian tragicomedy continues on and on with no end in sight. But the only ideology that will eventuually be allowed to prevail at the Hague is an ideology that is based on tolerance. There can be no exceptionalism for Serbs, just like there can be none for Albanians, Croats, Muslims all over the world and none for the state of Israel either. This is what the Hague is trying to establish above all. There can be no “Great Walls of China” in the 21st century. Instead all the nations and peoples have to learn and live together. Nationalism as the last stage of communism has to be defeated and will be defeated

By: Eagle

Eagle — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 07:01:27 +0000

JJ – I suppose arguing with a clarity of language and commitment to factual truth will get a person labeled as “pretentious” in these dark Marxist days. Sorry to cloud your days with a notion of truth. Press on about UDBA and the spetsnaz units about to take your neighborhood.

By: JJ

JJ — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 22:48:16 +0000

#32
Poor Boba, you never give up on the tired old cliches, don’t you? How convenient it is to always pin blame on someone else!

#33
Dear Eagle, I do not wish to bore the readers with pretentious, and erroneous, tirades as you do. I take it for granted that some facts should be obvious by now. If not – there is nothing new to add. Cheers!

By: james1

james1 — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:24:39 +0000

The thing I dont understand and is never discussed is the whole Arkan thing.

He was presented as an evil, racist paramilitary leaders killing inniocent muslims

I asked about this before on another post but didn’t get a response and to my knowledge was not mentioned in the case against Milosevic.

By: Jovan

Jovan — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:42:32 +0000

Only part I strongly disagree with (and please tell me if I am wrong)

“Prominent politician Vojislav Seselj”

If he is Prominent than Srbija is in bigger trouble than I thought.

I support some if not most of the SRS but we need to choose
Better people to admire.

The current government as in the rest of the world
Is more of the same.Srbija/Jugoslava was once a
A healthy and plump cow. Now is is emaciated and bone dry.
All government is corrupt from Tadic to Seselj to Sloba’s old friends that robbed the Serbian people blind. No hope in the near future.

By: james1

james1 — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:53:09 +0000

@34Eagle

Cindy McCain the “former” drug taking mistress of McCain who McCain was screwing around with while his wife was ill now wife daughter of Bronfman/Lansky organised crime affiliate summed up Palin foreign policy credentials by saying She is the former governor of Alaska which is close to Russia so she knows the threat Russia poses.

By: Eagle

Eagle — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 07:22:38 +0000

The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming!

Ahh, the hunt for commies, like the hunt for UBL and WMDs proceeds at a furious pace and produces great cover for imperial ambitions.

It’s not to say that commies, UBL, and WMDs don’t exist, it is to question at what point they become less of a danger than those that would hunt them down.

By: Eagle

Eagle — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 07:20:33 +0000

I really enjoy when the pretentious posters like JJ weigh in with Bailey and make a statement of fact without producing even some conjectures, much less some examples of facts.

By: Boba

Boba — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 23:46:55 +0000

Re: # 29

What is obvious JJ is that you do not have a clue who did what in the former Yugoslavia, or do not want to admit that it was Slovene/Croatian communists and Bosnian / Albanian Islamists in Bosnia and Kosovo-Metohija, trained and financed by the US led western parties, who caused and provoked the bloody war of the Yugoslav disintergartion.

By: Etienne Gervaise

Etienne Gervaise — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 20:43:55 +0000

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