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		<title>By: Marko Kovacevic</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/index.php/2008/07/02/socialists-and-democrats-will-rule-serbia/comment-page-1/#comment-168879</link>
		<dc:creator>Marko Kovacevic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me both sides of the argument of who had more chances to win the elections are correct, except to the fact that in my opinion this will be the beginning of the end of the DS+ parties as I do not see that EU will activate the SAA+ (+ other agreements) until the new government accepts the EU &quot;fact&quot; that Kosovo is not part of Serbia, among other conditions...the closer this is to happen (the closer Serbia is on the &quot;way&quot; to EU), more and more voters in Serbia will take the hard decision and take the votes to likes of DSS and SRS at least...not to mention that the parties such as DSS and SRS will probably start with cosmetic changes in their leadership.....not to include the EU own trouble with the Lisabon/ Irish question....

In my mind, SPS is the first such party to &quot;cosmetically&quot; change...

It is also not by chance that Jeremic stated today that Russia is Serbia&#039;s no1 friend in the international arena...is there part of DS that feels slightly differnet than mainsteam DS?

Lets see...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me both sides of the argument of who had more chances to win the elections are correct, except to the fact that in my opinion this will be the beginning of the end of the DS+ parties as I do not see that EU will activate the SAA+ (+ other agreements) until the new government accepts the EU &#8220;fact&#8221; that Kosovo is not part of Serbia, among other conditions&#8230;the closer this is to happen (the closer Serbia is on the &#8220;way&#8221; to EU), more and more voters in Serbia will take the hard decision and take the votes to likes of DSS and SRS at least&#8230;not to mention that the parties such as DSS and SRS will probably start with cosmetic changes in their leadership&#8230;..not to include the EU own trouble with the Lisabon/ Irish question&#8230;.</p>
<p>In my mind, SPS is the first such party to &#8220;cosmetically&#8221; change&#8230;</p>
<p>It is also not by chance that Jeremic stated today that Russia is Serbia&#8217;s no1 friend in the international arena&#8230;is there part of DS that feels slightly differnet than mainsteam DS?</p>
<p>Lets see&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Goran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Goran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once upon the time, back in 1389, the Serb hero Milos Obilic killed the Turkish sultan Murat at the Kosovo battle  (the Battle of the Blackbirds). Now, in 2008 Boris Tadic, Vuk Jeremic (the Serb Foreign Minister) and Ivica Dacic, their newest collaborator, want to sell Milos Obilic&#039;s deed for money. Heavy duty (i)moral responsiblity that, you know what I mean?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once upon the time, back in 1389, the Serb hero Milos Obilic killed the Turkish sultan Murat at the Kosovo battle  (the Battle of the Blackbirds). Now, in 2008 Boris Tadic, Vuk Jeremic (the Serb Foreign Minister) and Ivica Dacic, their newest collaborator, want to sell Milos Obilic&#8217;s deed for money. Heavy duty (i)moral responsiblity that, you know what I mean?</p>
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		<title>By: Goran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Goran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most recently, the EU &quot;lifted&quot; sanctions on Cuba. I have no idea why the EU had sanctions on Cuba imposed. What did Cuba did to the EU  to have imposed sanctions on her? What sort of authority the EU has over Cuba?

Madness rules. Isn&#039;t it?

The situation calls for a madman to understand it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most recently, the EU &#8220;lifted&#8221; sanctions on Cuba. I have no idea why the EU had sanctions on Cuba imposed. What did Cuba did to the EU  to have imposed sanctions on her? What sort of authority the EU has over Cuba?</p>
<p>Madness rules. Isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>The situation calls for a madman to understand it.</p>
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		<title>By: Goran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Goran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@JJ.

JJ, my reasoning is based on pure facts. You should really get yours right. Everybody knows that the SAA was suspended immediately upon the signature until the crown condition is fullfiled, meaning the full collaboration of Serbia with the ICTY. Serbia can ratify the SAA tomorrow, but it will not enter into force until ratified by the 27 member states of the EU. And most probably that will happen when Karadzic and Mladic, citizens of Bosnia and Herzegovina who are not in Serbia, are arrested. I see that you believe that this will happen shortly. Good for you, but not for Serbian people who do not see that the most effective thing Serbia can do at this moment is to slap the states that have recognized the illegal secession of Kosovo with the legal action before the ICJ.

It is exactly those who have signed the SAA that do not wish to do that, because exactly like you, they wish to create a false picture of &#039;HAVING DONE SOMETHING&#039;, WHILE EFFECTIVELY DOING NOTHING. In the meantime, to the outrage of the American Serbs Obama wishes well to Serbia with her &#039;neighbour Kosovo&#039;, while the Germans say that recognition of Kosovo by Serbia is not the condition for the EU candidacy, but Serbia &#039;must not block Kosovo&#039;s accession to the international organizations&#039;. Here we are, new conditions are mushrooming, and you are stubbornly citing some suicidal polls. Instead of looking for polls I subscribe to Iliya Pavlovich&#039;s citation: &#039; Dissent is the noblest form of patriotism&#039; and add: &#039; You can fool some people sometimes, but you cannot fool all the people all the time&#039;. For the SAA was nothing but a nicely packed box of European air, a pre-election gift to Tadic and his lot.

I call upon the American Serbs to write a letter to Messrs. Tadic and Jeremic and urge them to take action before the ICJ NOW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@JJ.</p>
<p>JJ, my reasoning is based on pure facts. You should really get yours right. Everybody knows that the SAA was suspended immediately upon the signature until the crown condition is fullfiled, meaning the full collaboration of Serbia with the ICTY. Serbia can ratify the SAA tomorrow, but it will not enter into force until ratified by the 27 member states of the EU. And most probably that will happen when Karadzic and Mladic, citizens of Bosnia and Herzegovina who are not in Serbia, are arrested. I see that you believe that this will happen shortly. Good for you, but not for Serbian people who do not see that the most effective thing Serbia can do at this moment is to slap the states that have recognized the illegal secession of Kosovo with the legal action before the ICJ.</p>
<p>It is exactly those who have signed the SAA that do not wish to do that, because exactly like you, they wish to create a false picture of &#8216;HAVING DONE SOMETHING&#8217;, WHILE EFFECTIVELY DOING NOTHING. In the meantime, to the outrage of the American Serbs Obama wishes well to Serbia with her &#8216;neighbour Kosovo&#8217;, while the Germans say that recognition of Kosovo by Serbia is not the condition for the EU candidacy, but Serbia &#8216;must not block Kosovo&#8217;s accession to the international organizations&#8217;. Here we are, new conditions are mushrooming, and you are stubbornly citing some suicidal polls. Instead of looking for polls I subscribe to Iliya Pavlovich&#8217;s citation: &#8216; Dissent is the noblest form of patriotism&#8217; and add: &#8216; You can fool some people sometimes, but you cannot fool all the people all the time&#8217;. For the SAA was nothing but a nicely packed box of European air, a pre-election gift to Tadic and his lot.</p>
<p>I call upon the American Serbs to write a letter to Messrs. Tadic and Jeremic and urge them to take action before the ICJ NOW.</p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 02:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 40 Goran, at al

Of course you could not forsee things when you do not look at facts, but stick stubornly to your wishfull thinking.

You have discredited the poll which, even if a bit exagerated, correctly gauged the majority opinion. SPS displayed sufficient common sense to accept this.

The other important, and for some posters - inconvenient, fact is that Serbia is geographically closer to &quot;Europe&quot; than to Russia. It always has, and will always be part of Europe, with all the goods and the bads that come with it, rather than of the distant and backward Asiatic culture(s). 

You and I, just like the rest of the mankind, obviously differ on the main premise: reasoning based on facts, or fiction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 40 Goran, at al</p>
<p>Of course you could not forsee things when you do not look at facts, but stick stubornly to your wishfull thinking.</p>
<p>You have discredited the poll which, even if a bit exagerated, correctly gauged the majority opinion. SPS displayed sufficient common sense to accept this.</p>
<p>The other important, and for some posters &#8211; inconvenient, fact is that Serbia is geographically closer to &#8220;Europe&#8221; than to Russia. It always has, and will always be part of Europe, with all the goods and the bads that come with it, rather than of the distant and backward Asiatic culture(s). </p>
<p>You and I, just like the rest of the mankind, obviously differ on the main premise: reasoning based on facts, or fiction.</p>
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		<title>By: Iliya Pavlovich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iliya Pavlovich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 20:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Admittedly off topic, yet closely related to the work and dedication Dr. Trifkovic has followed so closely. 

Endemic nature of Islam shows its face again (today in Istanbul - the most secular of the Islamic countries). So much for Fatwas, terrorists, peaceful and peaceloving Islam. Let&#039;s see how predominantly Serbian Bosnia and Serbian ancestral lands (Kosmet) surivive overt spreading of the mosques. I fear Dr. Trifkovic will be proven right again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Admittedly off topic, yet closely related to the work and dedication Dr. Trifkovic has followed so closely. </p>
<p>Endemic nature of Islam shows its face again (today in Istanbul &#8211; the most secular of the Islamic countries). So much for Fatwas, terrorists, peaceful and peaceloving Islam. Let&#8217;s see how predominantly Serbian Bosnia and Serbian ancestral lands (Kosmet) surivive overt spreading of the mosques. I fear Dr. Trifkovic will be proven right again.</p>
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		<title>By: Iliya Pavlovich</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/index.php/2008/07/02/socialists-and-democrats-will-rule-serbia/comment-page-1/#comment-168663</link>
		<dc:creator>Iliya Pavlovich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just before the thread of the comments started getting too broad and outside of the scope of the lead article, both Eagle and Boba made remarks substantially in favor of the opposition. Not unlike the best (and often too infrequent) qualities of the United States system - it is exactly the opposition that will have to carry the burden of change. Whoever it was that coined &quot;Dissent is the noblest form of patriotism&quot;. The present tilt towards the neo-communist schooled and possibly inclined leaders need a firm stand before they stray again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just before the thread of the comments started getting too broad and outside of the scope of the lead article, both Eagle and Boba made remarks substantially in favor of the opposition. Not unlike the best (and often too infrequent) qualities of the United States system &#8211; it is exactly the opposition that will have to carry the burden of change. Whoever it was that coined &#8220;Dissent is the noblest form of patriotism&#8221;. The present tilt towards the neo-communist schooled and possibly inclined leaders need a firm stand before they stray again.</p>
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		<title>By: Goran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Goran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@JJ.

JJ, you are mistaken. There are so called regulars on this thread who did predict that DS and their lot composed of three other parties would or could take 38% of the vote. But, that is not the main point. Without the socialists, those 38% would not be enough to form the government - meaning that no one could have predicted that the socialists would join forces with DS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@JJ.</p>
<p>JJ, you are mistaken. There are so called regulars on this thread who did predict that DS and their lot composed of three other parties would or could take 38% of the vote. But, that is not the main point. Without the socialists, those 38% would not be enough to form the government &#8211; meaning that no one could have predicted that the socialists would join forces with DS.</p>
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		<title>By: Sasa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sasa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 14:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poor destiny,what else to say.Justice in this world,hm,not realy.
Moral is not the argument of politics.Serbia and the actual desigion makers such as domestic mr.Tadic and his &quot;Anglo-American friends&quot;just keep wining ,and poor Serbian people are in realy trobule.
This is not just the poor speach of the &quot;poor&quot;word,everyone needs to look in his own backyard or u can become a poor little man ,like we have now a poor little Serbia ,struguling to keep their nation ,and the only state.
Just poor!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poor destiny,what else to say.Justice in this world,hm,not realy.<br />
Moral is not the argument of politics.Serbia and the actual desigion makers such as domestic mr.Tadic and his &#8220;Anglo-American friends&#8221;just keep wining ,and poor Serbian people are in realy trobule.<br />
This is not just the poor speach of the &#8220;poor&#8221;word,everyone needs to look in his own backyard or u can become a poor little man ,like we have now a poor little Serbia ,struguling to keep their nation ,and the only state.<br />
Just poor!</p>
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		<title>By: Goran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Goran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 13:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To my previous comment, I would add that Serbia is forced to collaborate with the ICTY which has acquited Naser Oric, Ramus Haradinaj and Fatmir Ljimaj, in spite of the henious crimes committed by those so called &quot;freedom fighters&quot;. That can be likened to the collaboration of the prisoner on the death row in the repair of an electric chair in which he is to be executed the next day.

Who is talking about Slobodan Milosevic&#039;s monumental defense before the ICTY in which he exposed far too many lies to remain alive? Who is talking about Julia Gorin&#039;s now famous statement that had the ICTY been brave enough to sentence Milosevic on the basis of the evidence before it, that such a verdict would &quot;cause riots in all major European cities&quot;?

Who is talking about 5-6,000 Serbs killed in Sarajevo during the Bosnian war? Who is talking about thousands of Serbs killed around Srebrenica by Naser Oric&#039;s forces? Who is talking about seventeen Serb villages completely wiped out by Oric&#039;s lot which abused the Srebrenica&#039;s UN protected area status, thus precipitating the tragic events that followed? What was doing the UN (Dutch) contigent there? Sitting and watching?

Thousands and thousands of Serb victims across the former Yugoslavia that nobody in EU, US, ICTY and elsewhere could not care less is nothing but the crime of the century committed on one small nation.

The new DS-SPS government must not loose these facts from its sight. The decision of Milorad Dodik of Republika Srpska to sue the Dutch Government for the Oric&#039;s crimes before the Dutch courts is the most welcome move. Serbia must also sue all the states that have recognized the illegal recognition of Kosovo before the ICJ. Whoever obstruts such a move is not to be trusted one iota.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To my previous comment, I would add that Serbia is forced to collaborate with the ICTY which has acquited Naser Oric, Ramus Haradinaj and Fatmir Ljimaj, in spite of the henious crimes committed by those so called &#8220;freedom fighters&#8221;. That can be likened to the collaboration of the prisoner on the death row in the repair of an electric chair in which he is to be executed the next day.</p>
<p>Who is talking about Slobodan Milosevic&#8217;s monumental defense before the ICTY in which he exposed far too many lies to remain alive? Who is talking about Julia Gorin&#8217;s now famous statement that had the ICTY been brave enough to sentence Milosevic on the basis of the evidence before it, that such a verdict would &#8220;cause riots in all major European cities&#8221;?</p>
<p>Who is talking about 5-6,000 Serbs killed in Sarajevo during the Bosnian war? Who is talking about thousands of Serbs killed around Srebrenica by Naser Oric&#8217;s forces? Who is talking about seventeen Serb villages completely wiped out by Oric&#8217;s lot which abused the Srebrenica&#8217;s UN protected area status, thus precipitating the tragic events that followed? What was doing the UN (Dutch) contigent there? Sitting and watching?</p>
<p>Thousands and thousands of Serb victims across the former Yugoslavia that nobody in EU, US, ICTY and elsewhere could not care less is nothing but the crime of the century committed on one small nation.</p>
<p>The new DS-SPS government must not loose these facts from its sight. The decision of Milorad Dodik of Republika Srpska to sue the Dutch Government for the Oric&#8217;s crimes before the Dutch courts is the most welcome move. Serbia must also sue all the states that have recognized the illegal recognition of Kosovo before the ICJ. Whoever obstruts such a move is not to be trusted one iota.</p>
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