Kosovo: A New Day of Infamy for a New Century

by Srdja Trifkovic

February 17th, 2008 • Related • Filed Under

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The grotesque charade in Pristina on Sunday, February 17, crowned a decade and a half of U.S. policy in the former Yugoslavia that has been mendacious and iniquitous in equal measure. By encouraging its Albanian clients go ahead with the unilateral proclamation of independence written at the Department of State, the U.S. administration has made a massive leap into the unknown. That leap is potentially on par with Austria’s July 1914 ultimatum to Serbia. The fruits will be equally bitter. While their exact size and taste are hard to predict right now, that in the fullness of time America will come to regret the criminal folly of her current leaders is certain. Their Balkan policy is worse than a crime: It is a mistake.

Having devoted seven News & Views columns to Kosovo over the past year I have little to add to the sordid story of Western deceit, allied with Albanian barbarity, that has culminated in the spectacle in Pristina. Suffice to say that Belgrade vs. Washington, in this particular instance, is the clearest-cut case of “white hats vs. black hats” in today’s world affairs.

Some prominent Americans with no cultural or personal axes to grind are trying, even at this late stage, to check the insanity. Writing in the usually interventionist Wall Street Journal on February 9, Ruth Wedgwood, one of America’s foremost legal scholars, thus warned of the “dangerous precedent to tear apart the territory of a member state of the United Nations”—a move that may cause an unnecessary crisis when America is overengaged elsewhere. “Kosovo’s best (and perhaps only) chance to join Europe’s economy is to ride in as a part of Serbia,” she says, but it is more likely to join the Organization of the Islamic Conference instead. In addition, Wedgwood warns, Kosovo’s proclamation may well destabilize the Old Continent, from Bosnia and Macedonia to Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

NOT IN THE AMERICAN INTEREST—“An imposed settlement of the Kosovo question and seeking to partition Serbia’s sovereign territory without its consent is not in the interest of the United States.” While my friends and I have expressed this view many a time, it was recently stated with greater prominence by John R. Bolton, Peter W. Rodman and Lawrence Eagleburger. Writing in the Washington Times, the three heavyweights called for urgent re-examination of U.S. policy on Kosovo and urged the Bush administration to make it clear that, pending the results of such re-examination, it would withhold recognition of any independence declaration:

Current U.S. policy relies on the unconvincing claim that Kosovo is “unique” and would set no precedent for other troublespots… [E]thnic and religious minorities in other countries already are signaling their intention to follow a Kosovo example. This includes sizeable Albanian communities in adjoining areas of southern Serbia, Montenegro, and especially Macedonia, as well as the Serbian portion of Bosnia-Herzegovina. Recognition … would set a precedent with far-reaching and unpredictable consequences for many other regions of the world. The Kosovo model already has been cited by supporters of the Basque separatist movement in Spain and the Turkish-controlled area of northern Cyprus. Neither the Security Council nor any other international body has the power or authority to impose a change of any country’s borders.

The trio further warned that the current U.S. policy is marked by a dismissive attitude toward Russia’s objections: The United States should not prompt an unnecessary crisis in U.S.-Russia relations, lest Russia withdraws her support on issues such as Iran’s and North Korea’s nuclear intentions. Such cooperation would be undercut by American action calculated to neutralize Moscow’s legitimate concerns regarding Kosovo. On an issue of minor importance to the U.S., they ask, “is this a useful expenditure of significant political capital with Russia?”

Bolton, Rodman and Eagleburger predict that a self-proclaimed “independent state” of Kosovo will be “a dysfunctional one and a ward of the international community for the indefinite future.” It is plagued by rampant corruption and organized crime and a nonviable economy, they point out. Its law enforcement, integrity of the courts, protection of persons and property, and other prerequisites for statehood are “practically nonexistent.” Unilateral declaration of independence recognized by some countries and rejected by many others would only make matters worse by turning Kosovo into yet another “frozen conflict.”

The authors conclude by predicting that, “faced with a choice between Western partnership and defense of their sovereign territory and constitution,” Serbia would opt for the latter and inevitably move closer to Russia as its only protector.

“WHO LOST SERBIA?”—That Serbia is lost to the West is now certain. President Boris Tadic’s narrow victory (51 percent) in the second round of the presidential election in Serbia on February 3 was entirely due to his claim that, as an enthusiastically pro-Western reformist, he could obtain less brutal treatment for Serbia from Brussels and Washington than his “ultra-nationalist” opponent.

In Washington Tadic’s victory was hastily interpreted as a sure sign that the Serbs are throwing in the towel, and that, therefore, the scenario for independence should go ahead. (Had Tomislav Nikolic of the Serbian Radical Party won, they would have said that the scenario should be applied post haste because Serbia is irredeemably nationalist and should be taught a lesson.)

Far from indicating Serbia’s readiness to “accept the inevitable” and sling into the vivisection kennel, however, Tadic’s victory was the last chance for the U.S. and the EU to stop the trainwreck. The anger against the U.S. and the EU will translate into the well-deserved electoral demise for Tadic’s Democratic Party (Demokratska stranka, DS) at the next parliamentary election. That election is now imminent in the next few months.

Serbia’s mood was evident in Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica’s somber speech to the nation, broadcast immediately after the proclamation in Pristina. He said that the “unilateral declaration of the fake state of Kosovo represents the final act of a policy initiated in 1999 with NATO aggression.” He accused the United States of a “merciless violation of international order”:

America humiliated and forced Europe Union to discard its basic principles. Europe bowed before America, and it will be held responsible for all the consequences that will arise from Kosovo’s independence.

It is difficult to make forecasts about Belgrade’s forthcoming responses—not least because they are treated as closely guarded secrets—but the following sequence of events is, in my opinion, at least less unlikely than any other:

The inherent schizophrenia splitting the ruling coalition in Serbia will be subjected to intolerable strains in the next few weeks, primarily over the issue of how to respond to the forthcoming acts of recognition by the United States and leading EU countries. Kostunica favors weighty moves, while Tadic and his ministers will insist on empty gestures—e.g. withdrawing ambassadors from Western capitals—that fall far short of breaking diplomatic relations.
The resulting election will mark the long-overdue demise of the DS, with its worn out Euro-rhetoric that has yielded zero dividends over the past eight years. The winners will be the Radicals (SRS) and Kostunica’s Democratic Party of Serbia (DSS). They will either form a long-overdue coalition, or else Kostunica will try to form a national unity government in which the Radicals will be represented (and from which Tadic and his DS will stay away because their “friends” in Brussels and Washington would never allow them to be in the same room with Nikolic).
The entity proclaimed in Pristina will be recognized by the United States, by most of the Islamic world—which will find itself aligned, yet again, with America in promoting Islam and fighting Christianity in the Balkans—and by about a half of the European Union’s 27 members. Washington will claim to have the “international community” behind it, but in order to do so many small and weak countries, from Haiti to Tonga to Vanuatu, will be bribed, cajoled, or bullied into recognition.
“KosovA” will NOT be recognized by Russia, China, India, Brazil, Indonesia (the most populous Muslim country), by most of black Africa, and by at least half-dozen EU member-countries. The non-recognizing countries’ population will exceed by two-to-one that of the Willing. The “international community” will be finally seen for what it is: an empty slogan, an invention of Washingtonian hegemonists and Euro-globalists devoid of substance or authority.
Kosovo will linger on for a few years, as an expensive albatross costing American and “willing” taxpayers a few billion a year. It will continue developing, not as a functional economy but as a black hole of criminality and Jihad terrorism. The ever-rising and constantly unfulfilled expectations of its unemployable multitudes will eventually turn—Frankenstein’s monster-like—against the entity’s creator. There will be many Ft. Dixes to come, at Camp Bondsteel and at home.
The precedent of Kosovo will destabilize many countries with restive and separatist-minded minorities, including America’s friends in Turkey (Kurds), Pakistan (Pashtuns), and above all in the ever-dysfunctional Dayton-Bosnia, with no dividend of any kind in the Islamic world as a whole for the United States on the account of its championing the Muslim cause in the Balkans.

The U.S.-led Kosovo policy in the end will prove to be a blessing in disguise for Serbia. Only by NOT joining the European Union will she preserve her identity, her traditions, and her faith. Only by NOT joining the U.S.-hegemonized system of military alliances will she avoid having her youths put in harm’s way for nothing, in some arid, hostile faraway lands. Only by forging an ever-tighter political, economic, and eventually military alliance with Russia will Serbia avoid the clutches of a postmodern “American” empire devoid of a single redeeming feature.

God sometimes acts in mysterious ways, and on this 21st Century Day of Infamy, February 17, we should ask for His mercy and thank Him for his blessings. Kosovo had remained Serbian during those five long centuries of Ottoman darkness, to be liberated in 1912. It is no less Serbian now, the ugly farce in Pristina notwithstanding. It will be tangibly Serbian again when the current experiment in Benevolent Global Hegemony collapses and when the very names of Messrs. Bush, McCain and Clinton are deservedly consigned to the dustheap of history.

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1 Comment by Frank on 17 February 2008:

Much obliged at your posting on this; I’ve been patiently hoping you would.
2 Comment by Seeker on 18 February 2008:

Can someone explain to me why the Bush administration has been so irredeemably stupid on this issue?
3 Comment by Spiro on 18 February 2008:

What’s good for the goose is good for the gander, Serbs in Kosovo and in Bosnia should secede as well. And under UNSC resolution 1244, Serbia still has a right to introduce border guards and customs officers into Kosovo.

A stable solution would be to partition Kosovo. This would require creation of Serbian enclaves, but there is nothing wrong about enclaves, for example, there are Italian and German enclaves within Switzerland, Belgian enclaves within Netherlands, Dutch enclaves within Belgium, Indian enclaves within Bangladesh.
4 Comment by Pappy on 18 February 2008:

Before this unfortunate event that the U.S. has instigated the idea that Russia would have armed Serbia was very still slim, but which is now the most likely scenario, Serbia will not be a member of either EU or NATO any time soon that is now 100% a sure thing. Russia should start to pour fuel in all other areas where there are secessionist movements (it would be in Russia’s best interest to do so), it would also be in Serbia’s interest to do the same as well (RS), the point of International Law needs to be driven into the thick skulls of the U.S. and EU political elite, this is just the beginning.

Few more dates for us to remember:

1878—Ottoman Turkish forces put down Albanian insurgency to create a Greater Albania. This was the first attempt to create an Albanian “Kosova” by an insurgency or by military force. A century later, another Greater Albania insurgency would have NATO and US backing.

1900-1918—Austria-Hungary and Italy are sponsors of a Greater Albania and support Albanian expansion in the Balkans, at the expense of Serbia.

1941—Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini invade, occupy, and dismember Yugoslavia. They make “Kosova” a part of a Greater Albania under Mustafa Kruja. Western Macedonia is also made a part of Greater Albania by Hitler and Mussolini.

January 15, 1999—A “massacre” is manufactured in Racak by the US media and government. In fact, those killed were KLA separatists who had murdered Serbian policemen and had been killed in combat against Yugoslav police.

February, 1999—At a staged peace conference at Rambouillet, the US demands that Serbia allow Kosovo to become an independent nation after three years and that US and NATO troops be allowed to occupy Serbia. The US diktat was meant to force a war which the U.S. had long been planning. Rambouillet was a transparent sham.

March 24, 1999—NATO launched air strikes against Yugoslavia for 78 days, killing thousands of Serbian civilians. The KLA and U.S. advisers create a fake humanitarian catastrophe by telling and even forcing Kosovo Albanians to flee into Albania and Macedonia Yugoslav forces are falsely blamed for driving out Albanians. The U.S. scores a huge propaganda success with images of refugees.

February, 2008—Having failed to achieve their separatist agenda through international law and in the U.N., the U.S. switched gears and told the Albanian separatists to unilaterally declare an independent “Kosova”. This is an illegal act which violates all international norms and conventions and laws. The U.S. reliance is on military force only. The illegal measure is justified by force only.
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6 Comment by Jacob Aitken on 18 February 2008:

Dr Trifkovic: Thank you for your article. I started reading this blog over the past month and have enjoyed your comments. What is the likelihood of Russian military action in the Balkans?
7 Comment by John Rutowicz on 18 February 2008:

At my parish we prayed for the Christians of Kosovo, and I asked my parishioners to keep these Christians in their prayers, because persecution and martyrdom will certainly continue for the suffering Christians of Kosovo, at the hands of the Mohammedans. Let it be written into the history books that the “Christian” George Bush aided the destruction of the Christians of Kosovo. Let it also be noted that Jorge Bush has repeatedly voiced the Unitarian heresy that Christians and Mohammedans believe in and pray to the same god. When wiill the American people awake, o Lord! Lord have mercy.

The Rev. John Rutowicz
St. Boniface Ev. Lutheran Church
Niles, MI
8 Comment by james on 18 February 2008:

The article written by Bolton concerns us in that it might have a knock-on effect vis-a-vis Isreal re. a big push for an independant Palestinian state. This concern was expressed by Arial Sharon during the 90s when U.S. Jewish groups where supporting the KLA. Sudden concerns about damaging relations with Russia are farcical seeing how we have deliberately set to derail any reasonable dialogue with Russia (except Ron Paul, but he’s not going to win anyway).
9 Comment by Bill Wilder on 18 February 2008:

With its apparent ratification of a unilateral secession contrary to UN resolution, what exactly will the Bush Administration tell the Kurds and Shia in Iraq? That they should sign on to a central, federated Iraq, rather than splitting off into their own countries?

The President’s ideology, once again, acts contrary to our national interest.
10 Comment by LazarOfSerbia on 18 February 2008:

Thank you John, we Serbs pray for America to be brave and survive all mistakes made by her leaders. This one is huge.

Serbian historical experience shows that no unjust solution can last forever. Lies can’t last forever. So we, as always – as during five centuries of ottoman slavery – have confidence in our Lord and we know that His Truth and Justice will win against muhammedan barbarians. And America should be on His side.

Christ is risen!
11 Comment by james on 18 February 2008:

Good points @4Pappy I would add other points discoverd during the Milosevic Trail.

1. Nato was coordinating attacks with KLA even transporting them via helecopter.

2. Witnesses were giving false testamonies especially MI6 agent Paddy Ashdown . On testamony he claimed to see Serbs killing Albanian civillians although there was a mountain and a forest which would block his view.

3. Videotape was shown with Paddy Ashdown inspecting KLA weapons with uniformed KLA commanders.

4. One witness who was to testify on Milosevics behalf had his daughter kidnapped.

5. Tried to explain lack of bodies as Serbs transporting dead bodies via train and cremated in Serbia although Nato had total air supremacy.
12 Comment by Iliya Pavlovich on 18 February 2008:

Last Sunday (yesterday) I went to three Eastern Orthodox Services: Serbian, Greek and Russian. All three were praying for God’s mercy and justice to be delivered from the present state of suffering as much as the prayers expressed gratitude to God for allowing Serbians to honor Him by building magnificient monuments (chruches, chapels) within today’s Kosovo to serve him and let His be done on Earth as it is in Heaven.
13 Comment by John Rutowicz on 18 February 2008:

LazarOfSerbia wrote,

“Lies can’t last forever.”

Amen! Kosovo will be free again.

“Christ is risen!”

He is risen indeed!

John Rutowicz
14 Comment by D Simmons on 18 February 2008:

George Friedman summed up this situation well in Stratfor. Not all is lost though. On one side every clown candidate for president will come down on the side of the recent declaration which if you ask me is like lashing the Titanic to the Lusitania, and on the other side is resurgent Russia with actual statesmen at the helm.
15 Comment by Allen Wilson on 18 February 2008:

America’s Southwest……………

Okay hypocrite bush, you hold two nations enslaved to your empire: Dixie and Hawaii……will you recognise our unilateral declaration of independence? Why not make it retroactive to Rhodesia’s UDI as well?

America’s Southwest……………
16 Comment by Ryan S. on 18 February 2008:

How come our government won’t tolerate secession from the United States then?
17 Comment by Bill Temple on 18 February 2008:

“Can someone explain to me why the Bush administration has been so irredeemably stupid on this issue?” -Seeker

The recurrent theme or one of them is drugs. By 2000 the Taliban in Afghanistan (remember the guys we propped up and armed to throw out the Soviets) well, by 2000 they had completely crushed and eliminated the drug trade. Apparently there was a fierce backlash from international blackmarket dealers. These are billionaires by the way and sometimes also rogue cliques in governments, such as our own as well. Why are drugs ‘illegal’ (that’s when the problem began.) … Well, that’s because it makes them expensive and at the same time gives monopoly to the rogue elements in governments who deal them. (You can even throw your competitors in jail.) Legal drugs aren’t ‘glamorous’, their advertising is regulated to be discrete or non-existent. Plus they’re suddenly cheap, and as long as you do them in my privacy of your home they’re relatively harmless to the larger population. Cociane used to be over the counter at the local pharmacy. Few bothered with it.

Always look for the drug connection. Isn’t that one of the big, actual reasons for KosovA – when there doesn’t seem to be any or many other rational explanations. Where government/s are concerned follow the money. The advantage is to the observer and so ALL govts. inevitably by their very nature and positioning are conspiracies of one form or another. That’s a [given] the Founding Fathers of this country in attempting to come up with checks and balances were well aware of. But even they apparently failed. It’s always just a question of how ‘bad’ [a conspiracy] is it?! But conspiracy it is always and inevitably to whatever degree, because the advantage is to the observer. What do you think such a lame, alleged nation as Kosovo is going to rely on to put bread on its table? …

Thanks to Albania and Afghanistan the stuff is overflowing on American streets today. Uncle Sam you see is hard at work. Want something enshrined securely in place for at least a generation or two – declare a war on it. You know ‘the War on drugs’ … you know ‘the War on terror’ …
18 Comment by Bill Wilder on 18 February 2008:

EU divided on Kosovo recognition

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7249909.stm
19 Comment by Sean Scallon on 18 February 2008:

If you didn’t know what side Bush II and his administration are one you know now. Recognition of Kosovo makes a mockery of the so-called War on Terrorism. The U.S. just recognized a government of terrorists today.
20 Comment by Max on 18 February 2008:

So disgusting and sad, to see what our the “leaders” of our once-great (for the first seventy years or so, at least) country tolerate and go along with. What were once intended by the founding fathers to be representatives of the people are now nothing more than selfish, hypocritical opportunists and water carriers for the illuminati.

I’m glad someone brought up the Rhodesian UDI – they had a solid agreement on independence with the British empire in 1961, only to be double-crossed by the rest of the world (with the exception of the Republic of South Africa and Portugal) when they were more or less forced to exercise it a short few years later.

Sad but true, the American people will pay for their “leaders” actions in selling out the Serbian people (again).

God bless the Serbs.

From the People’s Republic of Minnesota
21 Comment by Thomas Miller on 18 February 2008:

Lets not forget that the foolish Clinton Administration started this mess by sticking its nose where it didn’t belong.

To this day, I will never understand why Clinton, on behalf of people like this:

http://travel.webshots.com/photo/1063358174031152245SYNBjM ,

bombed people like this:

http://www.sdamy.com/missworld/Miss-SERBIA/Vedrana-Grbovic.html .

Perhaps because a woman like this:

http://www.zpub.com/un/ma.jpg ,

was calling the shots.
22 Comment by Nancy Rose on 18 February 2008:

The American people have a government which is now a mere illusion of a Republic. The so-called American leaders are part of a smoke and mirrors act. No matter which side they profess to be , Democrat or Republican or “independent”( read:Liberman) they are all just actors for the global “one-world” stage play directed by the likes of Soros and bankrolled by other wealthy movers and shakers( read: Oil sheiks, drug barons and such ULTRA rich snake like “folks”). AMERICANS THERE IS NO MORE GOVERNMENT FOR THE PEOPLE AND BY THE PEOPLE…. AND , SO NOW, IT WILL PERISH. ON THIS PRESIDENT’S DAY, LINCOLN ROLLS IN HIS GRAVE!!!
23 Comment by jack bailey on 18 February 2008:

The Radicals may or may not come to power because of this, however there is really nothing that they can do if they do come to power that would make any difference to the West. The only thing that would make a difference would be a Russian threat of a military action against NATO. That is not likely to happen, so the whole thing will settle into a China-Taiwan type of situation. ON the other hand if the Bosnian Serbs were to declare their independence and if the Russians were to agree to send “peacekeepers” there, we’d have a “Mexican standoff” in the Balkans.
24 Comment by Eagle on 18 February 2008:

Or this could encourage mainland China to send in the troops and end the Taiwan “issue” sooner rather than later in order to eliminate the potential for future American-inspired declarations?

Or the Russians could encourage separtist movements in a variety of countries that are home to Russian minorities in order to drive home an important point. Perhaps a few seccessions in the Baltic states could bring the issue to NATO’s doorstep? Would the EU like to play this game?

Not likely, I realize, because those countries, whatever anyone might say are their faults, quite obviously have more level-headed and responsible leaders than does our own.
25 Comment by Rublev's Dog on 18 February 2008:

Nancy (#20) — everything you rail at started with Lincoln.
26 Comment by Johnnie on 18 February 2008:

Kosovo will not return to Serbia while it’s population remains Muslim. The only solution is a combined military and religious campaign to liberate it from it physical and mental occupation by Muslims.
27 Comment by Michael Kenny on 18 February 2008:

In an odd sort of way, this outcome actually suits everyone!

The international community has not dismembered Serbia, which would have been a breach of international law.

The right of self-determination is recognised in international law, so the Kosovo Albaninas can argue that international law is on their side.

The unilateral declaration of independence is, of course, illegal under Serbian law, so Serbia can argue that it has given nothing away.

Russia takes a further step back into the centre of European affairs, from which it was banished in 1917.

The rejection of the EU constitution was provoked by the huge enlargement of 2004 and the massive Roma problem that it has engendered has not helped. Yet another new Member State is the last thing the EU needs at the moment! In fact, two new Member States, because the constitution thing put Croatian accession on hold, but I can’t see Serbia being admitted while Croatia is told to wait. By re-electing Tadic, the Serbian electorate said yes to the EU, but, naturally, that is on hold until the dust settles. So Serbia is not saying no to the EU and the EU is not saying no to Serbia, but nothing is going to happen for the moment!

Even the Israel Lobby gets what it wants! The survival of NATO is essential to the Lobby because it provides a legal pretext for maintaining US military forces and supplies close to Israel. Whether the impending collapse of the US economy will permit such forces to be financed is, of course, another question! By trying to use NATO as cannon fodder, the US has alienated European public opinion but “peacekeeping” in Europe is just the ticket! POTUS 44 has to declare victory and leave Afghanistan very quickly after taking office, or at very least, “release” European troops for Kosovo, which thus provides a perfect pretext for the withdrawal of NATO forces.

A classic EU success story! A package with something for everybody!
28 Comment by Johan Dieckmann on 18 February 2008:

“… President Boris Tadic’s narrow victory (51 percent) in the second round of the presidential election in Serbia on February 3 was entirely due to his claim that, as an enthusiastically pro-Western reformist, he could obtain less brutal treatment for Serbia from Brussels and Washington than his “ultra-nationalist” opponent. …”

Keep in mind all those recent “color revolutions” across Eastern Europe: truly staggering U.S. government resources had been invested in these grand multi-faceted operations. And Tadic’s “election” somehow an exception?… … Apart from the (crude but successful) psychological manipulation of the electorate (by the experts seasoned in doing it to their own people), nobody can claim that the election results themselves were not counterfeited.

As for “… That Serbia is lost to the West is now certain. …”, an appropriate corrective action is long overdue.
29 Comment by Eagle on 18 February 2008:

Dr. Trifkovic,

You have touched on the drivers in the past, but it is worth revisiting – What do you believe are the driving forces behind this latest in a series of steps by the US in the Balkan penninsula? I mean within American circles specifically. There is some dissent in Europe, but seemingly none across the US (outside of a handfull of those both “in the know” and committed to a Christian morality). All the presidential candidates are for this, with the exception of Ron Paul – but even he has not made a moral case against it, merely one of it not being within the realm of American interests (which is true). So, what are the drivers here at home in the USA?

1. the cultural demise that you have written about, which manifests itself as hate for anything traditional and Christian?

2. provocation of Russia?

3. demonstration of power to Russia and others?

4. strategic move to cause further instability on the European continent such that ever more American involvement becomes necessary? (raison d’etre for NATO, etc etc)

5. “goodwill gesture” to Islamic world

All of the above?
30 Comment by Srdja Trifkovic on 18 February 2008:

All of the above, but — in my intuitive opinion — (1) is the key. The disdain for the traditional European, and especially Orthodox Christian nation-state is the common denominator for them all: old-style imperialists, neocon global hegemonists, One-World liberals, Gramscian Euro-Marxists. They all agree that “Serbia delenda est” — pour encourager les autres…
31 Comment by Simo on 18 February 2008:

This is the price that Serbia is paying for not having acquired or developed nuclear weapons.

Another thing: the Israel lobby and the international Jewish community have won a major victory here. They can now point to Kosovo as an example of how Israel “cares” about Muslims. There in no doubt that Jewish influence was a major factor in this situation, for the United States of America is a satellite of Israel.
32 Comment by Arius on 18 February 2008:

Before Sunday I had the thought that a million Serb citizens should march into northern Kosovo after the Albanians announced independence. But for now it is right and proper for the Serbian people to express their anger at American and EU institutions. I suspect that those that voted for Tadic are beginning to regret their vote. This might be confirmed by the strength of protests across Serbia over the next several days. The big question is what direction now will Serbia take? Will it eventually, meekly, join the EU, and begin its dissolution as a people? If it wanted to turn to the East is that opportunity open to it? Its access is blocked by states aligned with NATO and the EU. Are the Serbian people angry enough, do they understand that they are at war with Germany (that dominates the EU), to suffer a soft blockade if they don’t give in? Is Serbia’s belief in itself strong enough to sustain it in a long term stand against America and the EU?
33 Comment by CanadianS on 18 February 2008:

“and especially Orthodox Christian nation-state is the common denominator for them all”

Thank you for wounding a rousing call Dr. Trifikovic. Set aside recognition by the Willing, it is very important that Vatican does not recognize Kosovo in foreseeable future. Comment?
34 Comment by jmcnulty on 18 February 2008:

What is really going on? America’s “policy” in the Balkans has made no sense since Clinton decided to make the Serbs an “enemy” and the Islamists our “friends.” It is incomprehensible that the Bush administration has compounded the error. How can an administation that claims to understand “jihadism” stand by and help create the first Islamist mafia “state” in Europe? Does anyone think that this buys “goodwill” in the Islamic world? What would be the policy of Hillary or Obama or McCain? If they would do the same as the current “policy,” then perhaps all the Chronicles blather about the American “empire” may be getting at something. Will we live on a globe in 50 years where the Islamic world, fueled by oil money and Western accommodation, will hold sway, and the Christian world will exist only at its “sufferance.” Dhimmis or the world unite!
35 Comment by Srdja Trifkovic on 18 February 2008:

Re #31: If the Vatican does recognize, to the Orthodox all over the world that would provide proof positive that the rhetoric of “two lungs” is empty and that the obsessive, ethnocentric Orthodoxophobes of Central-Eastern Europe have prevailed. That would be a victory for Jihad and a triumph for the post-modern Christophobes who run the Western world.

Re #32: Obama is the least bad of the lot on this one. There’s nothing to choose between the Clinton Brothers and McCain. The former have willed the war against Serbia in ‘99; the latter — a dangerously unstable moron — has never seen a cost-free imperial war he didn’t like.
36 Comment by Serbia_Winner! on 18 February 2008:

bush,clinton,hillary,obama,mccain,…etc they are only a mapets who are doing what they have been told to do.
They are robots with No Morality,No Pride,…for them to become a President is only a proof for their childhood complex that they were told how they will never become anything.
Shame on all of them!!
They sided with albanians,the bigest criminals in the World:drug dealers,prostiute trafic,selling their own daugthers for money,…beating woman,…liers and thieves,…

Small nation like Serbia has to teach them/USA what Morality,Pride,History,Culture,…is!
Justice will always triumph,and in this case Serbia will come as a Winner!!!
37 Comment by Jovan on 18 February 2008:

Better a kingdom in heaven than on earth .Unity is what would have held us as Srbi.The NGOs and other cancer has helped Kosmet to be taken.I can never go back home and it breaks my heart.Do I now strap a bomb to me and detonate it in Prhistina or do I attack police.This is not the way of the Serbs and if Nikolic won the army would be bck in Kosmet.CCCC ZIVELA SRBIJA
38 Comment by Arius on 18 February 2008:

Srdja,

Obama is very dangerous. He wants to hold a summit with the Muslim countries. Odds are very high that Obama’s summit will do to us what the Euro-Arab Dialog did to Europe.
39 Comment by simo on 18 February 2008:

Some of the comments on this site show alot of ignorance. People don’t understand that American foreign policy remains the same whether a Democrat or a Republican is in office. They both take their marching orders from the Council on Foreign Relations.

To Srdja Trifkovic: the Vatican has no dog in this fight. The notion that this involves a struggle between western Catholicism and eastern Orthodoxy does not stand up to scrutiny. The Vatican supported the secession of Catholic Slovenia and Catholic Croatia, largely because they were Catholic countries. That much is true.

The real power behind the throne here is international Jewry which effectively controls American foreign policy and uses America’s institutions, particularly its military, to pursue Jewish interests.
40 Comment by Allen Wilson on 18 February 2008:

What are possible long-term consequences of all this? Let’s see:

Euro-unionism will face a severe challenge as central and eastern European countries are forced to deal with the destabilisation in the Balkans. Countries who deal with the challenge realistically and sensibly because they have to, will come in conflict with those who continue to deceive themselves with multicultural insanity. The only way the Eurocrats could have avoided this would have been not to allow eastern European or Balkan countries into the Union. They shot themselves in the foot. Good!

Pro-western governments and leaders in Romania, Ukraine, Hungary, and the Balkans will be forced increasingly to abandon pro-Westernism and to adopt a pro-Russian alignment. This will be true no matter how pro-Western they are presently, or how much of a pro-Western puppet they may presently be. If they wont change out of recognition of the necessity of it, they will be replaced with new leaders or governments.

The above may even be true of Greece, sandwiched in as it is between stolen eastern Greece (known as ‘Turkey’), Albania and stolen ‘Kosova’. Eventually, a Greek-Serb-Bulgarian-Romanian alliance, with strong ties to Russia, is not unthinkable. That’s especially true if Turkey gets involved in the affair to any substantial degree.

Furthermore, if the Adriatic wasn’t wide enough to keep old Benito out of the Balkans, then it wont keep Balkan trouble from impacting Italy, either. Eventually, the Italians may be forced into cooperation with Greece and Serbia and wind up a Russian ally.

Perhaps the ghost of old Byzantium is about to rise again in the form of a Balkan-Eastern European-Greek alliance with ties to the Third Rome, and perhaps even the First Rome?

Maybe one day the Russians will to us all a favour and swing down by Constantinople on their way to Pristina?
41 Comment by Tomislav Milosevic on 18 February 2008:

Seems like we are finally close to historical Discovery: grasping the very essence of insanity.
Is there anything new or surprising in this particular situation or am I the only one living some bizarre deja-vu?
Let me be entirely personal: as a born skeptical and vain man, overly proud of my solid principles based upon ability to see and understand, remember, analyze and explain, I can still hardly believe how fast all that crushed leaving me numb, horrified, disillusioned, desperate……….while I was watching real war live on TV.
Rape of Iraq, Part One. A complete production with special features.
I realized then, with certain shame, that nausea I felt was not so much because Iraq and Iraqis but me and those above mentioned principles which became unfounded, false, naive and stupid by every image on the screen. Process lasted long enough to break every doubt: My God, I volunteered to live a lie……..
What followed over years took a lot of self searching and reconsidering which resulted in numerous shocks and pangs of conscience mixed with regret and shame but I eventually got used to that.
Then events moved much closer to home. I was ready. Sober, alert and observant like betrayed lover. I was fascinated with ease of predicting developments. Mannerisms, lies, manipulations, low blows, greed. Visible and obvious, repetitive with no imagination whatsoever.
It was always there. We just often choose to overlook. We just easily buy what is sold. We just care superficially and live philosophy of concentration camp inmates. Hoping that it will not happen to us.
Humanity finally lost face.
42 Comment by Johan Dieckmann on 19 February 2008:

Concerning Monsieur Obama … (#32, #33, #34 and #36) … check http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/2965 , “The First Muslim-Born Leader of the West”.

(Although, in final analysis, it is as per #34: any U.S. president is merely a “CEO”, there to efficiently & smoothly manage the property on behest of its actual owners…)
43 Comment by Zika on 19 February 2008:

Nicely presented article! There has been a heavy presence of a US dictatorial policies and European hegemonial pretensions there for some time. Furthermore, both sides, that is the unscrupulous USA and its puppet (“United Europe”) have shown disregard for and ignorance of Serbia’s centuries-old culture. They chose to side with the stone-aged barbaric policies of the Balist and their Fascist friends.
On the other hand, the leadership of the current Serbia, that is if there is one, have proven to be ill-prepared and at odds with each other. There is no true leader there, whop would be capable to show to the West that there is a a heavy price to be paid for dismembering a sovereign state so flagrantly! More unfortunate is a POOR MILITARY ESTABLISHMENT who swore to defend the country under any circumstances and have forgotten and burried the heroes and legends of the Serbian heritage. How can they live with their conscience? Shame on them!
44 Comment by robert m. peters on 19 February 2008:

Rublev’s Dog @ 23

Yes, thank you. Lincoln would have been against Serbia. His Serbia was Virginia, and he immorally and unconsitutionally ripped away part of her and created West Virginia, his Kosovo. Only Virginia, a sovereign state, could have given permission of her own free will to give up territory and people. The same is true with Serbia. Lincoln was a Jacobin and was no little influenced by the Young Hegelians, particularly those who left Central Europe after their failed coup.
45 Comment by James McGrath on 19 February 2008:

In response to John Rutowicz

Not only has Bush allied himself with Muslims against Christians in Kosovo, but his reckless actions in the Middle East have resulted in the ‘cleansing’ of hundreds of thousands of Christians from Iraq.

How anyone can claim this war is a crusade is beyond me!

It seems to be a jihad against the faithful.
46 Comment by Alex on 19 February 2008:

Anglo-American support for the declaration of independence by Albanian ‘Kosova’ demonstrates (yet again) the ambivalent attitude of Western politicians and liberal intellectuals towards the march of Islam.

This support for a Muslim enclave – at the expense of the Christian Serbs who have inhabited the territory for centuries – is a cryptic act of abject appeasement.

Giving moral support and possibly military protection to Albanian Kosova, will be interpreted (in the Muslim world) as a sign that Western societies do not have the resolve to defend their way of life and to prosecute the so-called “war against terrorism”.
47 Comment by Eagle on 19 February 2008:

Zika,

Please share with us what you believe the Belgrade politicians of the last decade could have done differently. As a Serb, I become tired of this blame game that centers on Belgrade.

No, I don’t agree with the amount of kow-towing that the DS and G-17 has produced, but the DSS and the RSS, and even the Socialists occasionally, have proven an effective balance. We can quibble about choices of ministers and who made what statement and sent which signal at which point in time, but it is irrelevant minutia in the grander scheme of things.

When all is said and done in the next couple of years, I won’t be sad to see the DS reduced to minor opposition party. But even they are taking a “hardline” stand on Kosovo.

And the DSS has been exemplary – Kostunica’s statement on Sunday was excellent. He straight-forwardly told Europeans that they had been emasculated by the US. He said it perfectly.

I would have liked to have seen more from the royal family.

At the end of the day, what can Serbia do? Fight a war? They cannot. Why bring needless suffering to the whole of the population in a fight that (a) would be lost on military terms (once the US leadership became infuriated, as they did at about day 40 in 1999, and started bombing “strategic” assets, i.e., civilian targets such as schools and homes) and (b) could bring even more dismemberment and occupation to the rest of Serbia?

Closing embassies and pulling business relations may be an important symbolic gesture, but it would be like throwing water balloons at tanks because the major powers view Serbia as a mere annoyance.

Belgrade has done about as decent of a job in managing this as is possible under the circumstances. Serbia is a pawn in a greater power and cultural struggle that is playing out globally. We can quiblle over details, but they are largely irrelevant.
48 Comment by simo on 19 February 2008:

It seems that hardly anyone here wants to explore the root causes of the West’s, particularly America’s, support of the Muslims and why it wants to appease the Muslim world.

The criteria that the West applies to the Muslims of the former Yugoslavia do not apply to the Palestinian Muslims. Does anyone on this site have any inkling as to why that is so.

To say that the Muslims are this, the Muslims are that, whatever… really begs the question. I.e., the Muslims are bad people because they are bad people.

This circular reasoning is found just about everywhere, especially in the Western countries.
49 Comment by Srdja Trifkovic on 19 February 2008:

The Muslims are not “bad people”; seriously devout Muslims are seriously deluded and therefore dangerous people because they subscribe to an inherently aggressive totalitarian ideology akin to Bolshevism and National Socialism.
50 Comment by Aleksandar Jokic on 19 February 2008:

According to ST:

1. The fruits of the US recognition will be equally bad as WWI.
2. A mistake (by the US) is worse than a crime.
3. Serbia is lost for the West.
3. USSR=Nazi=(deluded) Muslims

Well, these are not only signs of ST-mistakes but utter stupidity or perfidity of a race traitor who participates in setting Serbs up as anti-Muslim racists.

For, of course, a crime is quite obviously worse than a mistake, WWI was a huge tragedy unlikely to be repeated in coming months, and Serbs are not racists as set up by the ST-like US propagandists in order to justify various stages of continued aggression against YU and Serbia.

The *liberal-democratic* imperialism of the *West* is not comparable to any totalitarianism, for the latter is a function of internal political structures while the former is a matter of international relations. Totalitarian regimes are not necessarily aqggressive nor are *democratic* ones necessarily non-aggressive.

Hence, the seductive nonsense and conceptual confusions by ST are not helpful at all, not for Serbs, not for thinking people. Time to stop it.
51 Comment by Srdja Trifkovic on 19 February 2008:

Being a stupid as well as perfidious “race-traitor” and “US propagandist” busy justifying aggresion against Serbia who needs to be “stopped” (according to Mr. “Jokic”) I have the satisfaction of enjoying my ill-gotten CIA gains in Oahu while he rots away in Prishtina.
52 Comment by gjon on 19 February 2008:

desparation… reality is sour but true, so face it with sorrow… like albanians did from 1913 up today.
53 Comment by michael warning on 19 February 2008:

@49Srdja Trifkovic

Still you lost the argument. The US State Department did not take notice of any of your arguments.

Now what…..

Take Kosovo by force. That’s all you Serbs understand.

“It will be tangibly Serbian again” only with a Serb invasion.

“the U.S. administration has made a massive leap into the unknown. That leap is potentially on par with Austria’s July 1914 ultimatum to Serbia. The fruits will be equally bitter. While their exact size and taste are hard to predict right now, that in the fullness of time America will come to regret the criminal folly of her current leaders is certain.”

Srdja Trifkovic just what are you implying here?? The Austrian Hungarian Empire was completely annihilated on 11 November 1918.
Is the above statement by you some sort of terrorist threat directed toward the USA?
54 Comment by Muhamed on 19 February 2008:

I see the serbian nation in a deep crisis in a national identity problem to be found. It will take time until they find their rational. High stamina is not enough. We albanians had a similar problem and I’m glad that lately we found a rational approach to fix the problems and orient ourselves twards the future.
As per serbs I would descrybe their situation of now as “Desperational-depressional”.
They have a long-long journey in fatigue to go throw…
Good luck neighbours!
55 Comment by michael warning on 19 February 2008:

@33Srdja Trifkovic
“Re #31: If the Vatican does recognize, to the Orthodox all over the world that would provide proof positive that the rhetoric of “two lungs” is empty and that the obsessive, ethnocentric Orthodoxophobes of Central-Eastern Europe have prevailed. That would be a victory for Jihad and a triumph for the post-modern Christophobes who run the Western world.”

Please.. Holy Father Pope Benedict XVI will recognize Kosovo in foreseeable future in April during his visit to the US @ the UN. You orthodox are outside the Church. No mention will be made of “two lungs” because….

In the End my Immaculate Heart will Triumph. Our Lady of Fatima.

Just another infallible dogma you Serbs deny: The Immaculate Conception.
56 Comment by Ilirida on 19 February 2008:

It is normal…
While the Albanians everywhere celebrate Kosova’s indipendence, serbs complain like little kids without hope and only desperate claims of inheritage which does not stand twards a serious view of histric facts.
Do you mr Srdja know that slavs came to the Balcans only 1000 years ago while the Ilirians-Albanians have been there forever?
Other slavs know it thou they are reckognizing Kosova’s indipendence.
Kill the myths felow serbs and learn to live with the reality.
57 Comment by nothing new from from them on 19 February 2008:

ilirida,michael warning,muhamed,
(by the way, is it the same person?)

Typical for them/him to feel stronger if they act as crowd.
58 Comment by Gjergj Fishta on 19 February 2008:

Un Shqiptar e ata Shkje
N’mni t’sho-shoqit kena le
Kem’ nermjet nji qiell e i dhe…

For the serbs that do not know albanian:

I’m albanian they’r sllavs
In hate for each-other born
Sky and earth sets us apert…

This poem is of the Albanian national poet writen in 1905.
Meaninffiul… is it not.
59 Comment by Allen Wilson on 19 February 2008:

I have yet to see a post by a coherent, reasonable, knowledgable Albanian on this website. All of them so far, in the three years or so I have been visiting the site, have been insulting, ignorant, hateful, vicious, spastic, and incoherent.
60 Comment by Allen Wilson on 19 February 2008:

I forgot to mention, dishonest.
61 Comment by Tomislav Milosevic on 19 February 2008:

We are still waiting to see ANY cultural monument, letter, sign, DNA test or really ANYTHING that can convince us all and prove even the hint of that claim of thousands of years of preceding existence of Albanians anywhere, including, naturally, Balkans.
Are those the same 1000 years of culture that Croatia claimed in the beginning of all this mess or it’s some other Josip Broz style period in History.
Where Serbs suppose to go from Balkans since they quite clearly bother everyone.
By the way: which Muslims we are talking in Kosovo or Bosna.
I wonder what real Muslims have to say about that if they only know where those places are.
62 Comment by Ilirida on 19 February 2008:

57
We are not the same person but yes we sound unique in our thoughts.
Like our presidents in Albania & Kosova, like our primeministers in Albania&Kosova, like our whole nation we sound unique. So do you serbs, like your leaders you reflect diversity and antagonism twards your national goal if there is any..
PS. do you serbs have any idea what will hapen with Voivodina? God help you… with your uncertain future. Uuuups… Voivodina.
63 Comment by ZIKA on 19 February 2008:

Eagle: The first thing that is to MODERNIZE THE ARMY. The generals are there to defend the country and resist any foreign interference in the most effecitve way. if they cannot defend the people, they should resign immediately.
Just imagine for a moment if the same happened to Israel. In a matter of hours, their top targets would beheavily bombed and destroyed and no foreign body would dare to enter their homeland. However, we are not Israelis, but we do have guts and heart to fight for the cradle of our culture and just because the country is small does not mean that it cannot defend its interest and people. We have proven that that can be done many times in our bloody history.
64 Comment by Ilirida on 19 February 2008:

Dear serbian friends!
Why do you bring it to the religion every now and then?
If you do not know beter than that, than eat pork and go to russia where you came from.
Why do I chat with you anyway? You are shrinking & I gotta feel “sorry” for you & enjoy the indipendence of my albanian brothers in Kosova from one of two albanians capitals Tirana.
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66 Comment by Matra on 19 February 2008:

The ethnic Albanians may not have international law on their side but they have something more important: The willingness to back up their demands with physical force.

The Serbian government ruled out the use of force BEFORE the unilateral declaration. What kind of leverage does an economically weak country with few allies like Serbia have without the will to back up its own sovereignty claim with the use of force? I’d say none. On Monday Tadic said again, several times actually, that Serbia will not resort to violence. So it is no surprise that the stronger willed Albanians with the support of the world’s strongest powers will defeat the weak, and, apparently, indifferent Serbs.
67 Comment by Eagle on 19 February 2008:

I feel foolish telling people from my safe distance that they should place themselves and their families in harms way. Even if Serbian ground forces could retake Kosovo province (and they would have to do so against entrenched NATO positions), why would anyone believe that all of Serbia would not be subjected to another round of “strategic” bombing (i.e., civilian terror bombing)?

Serbia has had to endure an overwhelming amount of violence this past century. This small nation has fought valiantly for its freedom and yet the invaders from far off just keep coming. When will it end? When will the US, UK, Germany, Austria and others just leave her alone!? Does Germany feel no shame whatsoever as a people? Three times they have come to attack Serbia within the past 100 years. For what? Did Serbs go and attack them, or seek their territory? And they have the nerve to posture as moral superiors? When these “democracies” stop bringing their “freedom” and “human rights” to the Balkan peninsula – THAT will be a happy day for the local Christians.
68 Comment by Eagle on 19 February 2008:

By the way, Matra, the Albanians are willing to use their violence backed up by superpower air forces, which Serbia has not at her disposal. Does anyone seriously believe that the KLA and their enablers in Tirana would be lording it over a shellfish on the Adriatic coast, much less a chunk of Serbia, were the US not meddling?
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70 Comment by Alan M on 19 February 2008:

Where, o where does one even begin to comment on the monumental stupidity of this action by the U. S. and the bureaucratic mess that is the E.U.? I am honestly amazed at the naive welcome given to this “declaration” by many commentators here in the West.

This is no independent state, this is nothing but a land grab, not even by the Albanians, but by the US/EU rulers!

This “province” is now their property, they will control its policy, economy, everything, they even went to the trouble of designing a nice, EU-approved flag for it!

I really do fear now for the future of all of Europe, I’m amazed that the government of the U.K., where I live, who cannot actually run our country like grown-ups, think they can design and manage bits of other countries!
71 Comment by Carl Savich on 19 February 2008:

The U.S. has been pushing for the secession of Kosovo for decades before 1998. What is so shocking about these current developmets is the apparent surprise evinced by so many. The U.S. has been sponsoring the Albanian separatists in Kosovo since at least the 1980s. Official U.S. sponsorship of Kosovo secession became official after the Communist-created autonomy was rescinded in 1989.

What was remarkable is how the U.S. put Albanian secession on hold during the breakup and dismemberment of Yugoslavia. The objective was clear. The U.S. did not want to push Kosovo secession at that time becaue it would equate it with Krajina Serb and Bosnian Serb secessions. It would have been difficult for U.S. propaganda to deny Krajina Serbs and Bosnian Serb secession and support it for Albanians. So Kosovo secession was downplayed dutring this period. It is not by coincidence that the Kosovo secession movement began in 1996 right after the Dayton Peace Accords.

The U.S. destroyed the secession and independence of the Krajina Republic and then the Serbian Republic in Bosnia. Conversely, it fought an illegal war on behalf of Kosovo Albanian Muslims to establish a second Albanian state in Europe.

All these actions by the U.S. were criminal and constituted war crimes. The only way the U.S. was able to sell these crimes was by invoking the Holocaust and “genocide”.

Islam has nothig to do with these U.S. crimes. Neither has Orthodoxy.

A U.S. military, economic, political, and geo-political presence in the Balkans was seen as vital in the expansion or projection of U.S. power after the Cold War. The only obstacle to this expansion was Serbia, the only country that opposed or stood in the way of a U.S. presence in the Balkans. Naturally, Serbia was seen as “the enemy” and had to be destroyed. But this is not personal and has nothing to do with Islam or Orthodoxy. This is just a simple issue of power and its expansion.

Camp Bondsteel is the key. This issue revolves around a U.S. presence in the Balkans. Bondsteel is one of the largest U.S. military bases ever constructed. The U.S. inteds to stay permanently. How can the U.S. stay if Kosovo is reintegrated into Serbia?

Remember, the U.S. seized by military force, that is, criminally, Texas, California, Arizona, and Nevada from Mexico. Now these “states” are slowly gaining Hispanic-Mexican majorities where Spanish is the primary language spoken and there is a return to Mexican culture. The U.S. seized Cuba, the Philippines, Guam, and Puerto Rico from Spain. The U.S. was violently kicked out of Cuba and then out of the Philippines where U.S. troops established a reputation for rape. The U.S. declared the independence of Panama from Columbia in order to create the Panama Canal. In other words, the U.S. detached a province from Columbia by force to create Panama so the use could build the canal. Columbia is one of the most anti-U.S. states in Latin America today. This is neither the first nor the last illegal land grab that the U.S. has engineered. Do not sweat it. The U.S. has been doing this for centuries.

At some point, though, the chickens come home to roost. The 911 attacks was one instance of this. They were the chickens that Charlie Wilson and Ronald Reagan bred. American citizens are mired in poverty, live in horrid conditions, have the highest crime rate in the world, and are manipulated by a media that only seeks to brainwash them. At some point, these U.S. crimes will come home to roost. What goes up, must come down. At some point, the U.S. will reap the consequences and repercussions of these criminal acts.
72 Comment by jmcnulty on 19 February 2008:

Regarding #69, I find it hard to stomach a post that condemns everything that America has ever done. I guess you forgot to mention the dispossession of the Native Ameriocans ahd chattle slavery. By the standards you use, EVERY country should feel guilty about its past. Was Russia assembled from conquered principalities? By the same token, does Russia today occupy the Kurile Islands, which actually are Japanese? This standard will have alot of planes flying into alot of buildings as “blowback.” Maybe we should give back Manhattan since the poor “Indians” were obviously swindled. I am sypathetic to the Serbs (which I was not during the Nineties) and even Russia, because I feel that the United States is foolishly establishing an Islamic state on the European continent. What will we do if Kosovo joins not the secular “European Community,” but the Islamic Conference instead? Maybe we should give Spain back to Islam; no, wait a minute, they conquered the pre-existing Goths. We will have no end of this if we are going to examine every historical “wrong.”
73 Comment by james on 19 February 2008:

70jmcnulty

Communism was installed in Russia through the transfer 0f $20 million through the financing of New York banker Jacob Schiff and his bolshevik leaders like Trotsky ( Bernstein ) with the protection of safe havens in European capitals. The difference between Kosovo and any other state is that the leadership is the mafia whos crime syndicates reach major European countries especially Italy.
74 Comment by Carl Savich on 19 February 2008:

The point I am making is that the U.S. engineered secession of Kosovo is not sui generis or unique. Kosovo is not the first time this has happened. We have to see it in context. Kosovo is like Panama. The U.S. needed to detach Panama from Columbia to achieve a goal, the construction of the Panama Canal. Similarly, the U.S. had to detach Kosovo from Serbia to achieve a geo-political and military presence in “Southeastern Europe”, also to neutralize a state that was an obstacle, Serbia.

As you noted, every state is built on a crime, to paraphrase a line from Honore Balzac. Even the United States. Perhaps, more so with the U.S. This means that every state is unstable and subject to dissolution, including the U.S.

What I was attacking is this American notion that the U.S. is somehow immune from reality and from historical change and evolution. The U.S. is not immune. What happens when California is overwhelmingly Hispanic-Mexican or Texas or Arizona?

Then we have a Kosovo scenario on U.S. soil. We will have a de facto Hispanic state. They will speak Spanish and will have a Mexican culture and will have close ties to relatives in Mexico proper. Then it is just a matter of time before we see a Kosovo type of separatism emerge. Not now, but say, in 50 years. Los Angeles is already a Hispanic city whose residents are hostile to the white Anglo Gringo imperialist. In the LA riots in the 1990s Hispanics attacked white businesses and sided with blacks. It is easy to foresee a Kosovo scenario in the coming decades.

And once the U.S. leaves Kosovo and the Balkans? What happens to the Albanian Muslims then?

We saw what happened to the Albanians when Serbia and other Balkan allied states defeated the invincible (or so they said) Superpower Ottoman Turkish Empire in 1912 and drove the Turks back to Asia where they came from.

Serbia has to see this as a long term conflict. The Serbs withstood Ottoman Turkish occupation for 500 years and emerged stronger. They can withstand the U.S. Global Hegemon too. Just keep eating those Big Macs and French, no, Freedom Fries and wait the Hegemon out. The U.S. can’t stay forever. All Empires eventually collapse into dust. That is one of the key lessons of history.
75 Comment by Tomislav Milosevic on 19 February 2008:

Carl Savich hit this nail right on the head and drove it all the way in, I would say. I was just about to write something very similar.

Manhattan was PURCHASED as far as the story goes so the example hardly relates to some Kosovo.

Kosovo was logical beginning of latest Balkan affair. I wondered why. I wonder no more.

Mr. Savich explained perfectly clear why.
76 Comment by :))) on 19 February 2008:

jmcnulty,

why are you saiing WE.
It is not We it is THEY.

You,me,he,she,..do not have anything to do with that,what They do and what They are establishing around the world.
Not you neither I benefit from that.We are just 99% of those averidge people who can just sit and watch possibly say our opinion,if we dare.
They are doing,whatever They want, for their own benefits!
THEY do not belong to America,NATO,West,East,…THEY think that THEY own whole world and for them:law does not applay.
It applay to you and me.

In Ninties you did not feel sorry for Serbia becouse THEY told you what they wanted you to believe,not what was going on.
The same’story’applays to evrything THEY do all over the world.

No need to disagree with Mr Savich.
If you are simpatetic to Serbs and Russia,now,lets see what can you do about that,except writing,here!?
You CAN NOT DO ANYTHING and that is the problem the the rest of us,in this world,is facing against THEM-1%.
THEY do not care about USA,NATO,East,West,..they care only for themself
Mr Savich has clear mind and that is different between him and you.

How can you fight that,THEM!?
77 Comment by Carl Savich on 19 February 2008:

Ozymandias by Percy Bysshe Shelley captures the futility and transience of empires and Global Hegemons:

“My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings,
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.”

Just shattered pieces and fragments are all that remain of that mighty Egyptian empire ruled by Ozymandias.
78 Comment by jmcnulty on 19 February 2008:

I was duped in the Nineties by the sob story, endlessly portrayed on the “news” and even in Hollywood movies, that the Muslims were a persecuted minority being slaughtered by fascistic Serbs. September 11 changed my attitude. The idea that helping Muslims would buy their “goodwill” was a chimera. Read Zawahiri’s essays and tell me that we can do ANTHING to satisfy salafi Muslims. I am still abashed that Clinton bombed Christian Serbs for 78 days on behalf of Muslim Bosnians. The current policy seems to assume that Europe will become, to a greater or lesser extent, Islamist and that we had better curry favor where we can. Are we going again to bomb Christians on behalf of Muslims? I agree with the comment about California. In 50 years, we probably will have a “reunifiction” movement in Los Angeles. Will McCain build the wall? Indications are not good when he grudging said, “Okay, I’ll build the damn thing if you want it!” To what extent is our politics “shadows dancing on the wall?” Back to the latest Brittany news. Meanwhile, the first Islamic mafia state is established on European soil. What is next? Bavaria out of Germany?
79 Comment by Jovanka on 19 February 2008:

Kosovo will remain Serbia. It’s only been a day since the ridiculous proclamation was made by thieves who crept into the country on their hind legs and spread like mad wolves throughout the provinces – first, embracing the riches of the land and it’s citizens – then killing and threatening the serbian people – and today proclaiming to own serbian lands by right of occupation. Kosovo will never be anything but Serbia. The wolf attacked the US on 9/11 and, to contain the animal, the US government offers Kosovo…..It will be the serbs again ( WWI & WWII) who will call out to the the world to seize the evil wolf and destroy it. Time is on our side.
We will defend our homes and property from all intruders.
80 Comment by Carl Savich on 19 February 2008:

What is the standard definition of “blowback”? We intervene in a situation criminally and over time it comes back to bite us in the ass. That definition is as good as any.

We overthrew Mosadeg in Iran in 1953. He was democratically elected but he threatened to nationalize British Petroleum (BP) and potential U.S. oil firms in Iran. Twenty five years later we get the Iranian Revolution whose militants say the U.S. is the Great Satan.

Now, that is classic Blowback. We created that situation.

We armed and created the mujahedeen Freedom Fighters in Afghanistan. We made them viable. Ossama bin Laden was one of those Charlie Wilson mujahedeen. Twenty years later, these Ronald Reagan Freedom Fighters are flying planes into the Pentagon and World Trade Centers. The U.S. also helped these mujahedeen illegally enter Bosnia to fight for the Muslim Army there.

When they blew up the WTC, these mujahedeen had Bosnian Muslim pasports that Alija Izetbegovic issued them and Bosnian military experience.

Now this is classic blowback. What part of this is so difficult to understand?

Of course, we can speculate that these attacks would have occurred even if the Charlie Wilsons of the world had not created them. But this is mindless drivel.

Al-Qaeda needed the infrastructure, the planning, the training, the logistical knowledge, the financial network that the U.S. and CIA provided. After all, the U.S. recruited bin Laden from Saudi Arabia. This takes a massive logistical support system that only the US/CIA could provide. Moreover, the Al-Qaeda group needed the Taliban regime in Kabul to train and organize and to use as a base of operations. The US in essence created the Taliban and put it in power. We cheered and gloated when the Taliban hung the secular leaders. We had won in Afghanistan.

Also, the Bosnia experience made Al- Qaeda global and gave them the skill and confidence to pull off 911. It was the US that empowered Al Qaeda in Bosnia. So the US did everything to create the scenario for 911. It is classic blowback.
81 Comment by jmcnulty on 19 February 2008:

Response to Carl Savich:

The United States never supported Bin Laden. Read Lawrence Wright’s “The Looming Tower.” He is a writer for The New Yorker and predisposed to blame the United States if he can. Bin Laden was a poor commander in Afghanistan who only became famous because of his ability to raise suitcases full of cash in the Arab world. The mujihadeen were supported to create the Soviet Union’s own “Vietnam.” The idea that Charley Wilson has much to do with it, except in the very earliest stages, is a Hollywood myth. I remember that the United States government was supporting the mujihadeen during Reagan’s administration. It worked. The war in Afghanistan directly led to the fall of the Soviet Union. No one anticipated Al Queda at the time; in fact, if was thought that friendly relations were possible since the Soviet Union was an “atheist” nation, while America was more godly. When you read about Sayyid Q’tub and the Muslim Brotherhood, it is obvious that Al Queda would come out of it — obvious now. The only way to avoid “blowback” is to never do anything. Anytime that we take sides in a conflict, we set ourselves up for “blowback” from some faction. If we had not aided the mujahadeen, we would then have had “blowback” from them because we stood by while thousands were killed by “godless Communists.” As you may recall, the Taliban were not the “Taliban” as they later became. At first, while warlords battled in Kabul, they were seen as pious “religious students” who offered a return to peace and order. If we had helped the Serbs, we might now be suffering “blowback” from Bosnian Muslims.
82 Comment by Carl Savich on 19 February 2008:

Regarding Post #76, you wrote:

“I was duped in the Nineties by the sob story, endlessly portrayed on the ‘news’ and even in Hollywood movies, that the Muslims were a persecuted minority being slaughtered by fascistic Serbs.”

This begs the question: By whom? Who duped you? Who brainwashed you?

The answer is the US Government and the US media. Remember the Nazi Concentration Camps the Serbs were running in Bosnia? The mass rapes?

It was the US Government that created the Bosnian War in the first place. The US told the Bosnian Muslims to screw the Bosnian Serbs and go ahead and create a Muslim State in Europe. The US told Alija Izetbegovic, a convicted felon and a rabid Muslim ultranationalist, to screw the Serbs and to declare a Muslim state and that he need not worry. The US media and military would help him out. That is when the war started.

The parties had earlier agreed at Lisbon to preserve the system the Communists created to allow each of the three groups in Bosnia to have a say in the government. The US rejected this plan. The US told Alija: You Muslims are the largest group. Do what you want. Screw the Serbs and Croats. Then all hell broke loose.

But the U.S. was 100% behind this carnage.

The same is true with Kosovo. Remember how the Albanian Muslims were supposed to be seeking only greater rights and freedoms. Wrong. They were seeking an Albanian state, which is illegal under the UN and international law.

The way the US got around this illegality was by concocting a genocide scenario.

Genocide trumps illegality. We can bomb you and take over your country if we can claim that you are committing geocide. Of course, there was no genocide. But once the US created an Albanian Kosovo state, who cared?

Just like in Iraq. Once the US hung Saddam Hussein and took over the country and killed one million Iraqis, who cared that Bush lied about the WMDs? The mission was accomplished. Move on to the next “liberation”.
83 Comment by simo on 19 February 2008:

The Serbian government has contingency plans to send its army back into Kosovo. Russia said that if it requests help, all it has to do is make the request . If the Russians send several squadrons of Mig-31 interceptors or the more advanced Su-35 fighter bombers to Serbia (aircraft incidentally which are superior in performance to any aircraft that NATO has), and if the Serbian army marches into Kosovo, does anyone seriously believe that Serbia would be bombed.

Also, the Russians could send in the S300 or the more advanced S400 air defense systems which can shoot down NATO aircraft even before they reach Serbia.

So for all of you who believe that Serbia would be bombed all over again, you are barking up the wrong tree. If NATO air forces attacked Serbia, they would suffer such heavy losses that the bombing runs would not last more than a few days. After that no NATO aircraft would go anywhere near Serbia.

The Serbian army and the Russian air force and air defense forces could quickly rectify this situation.
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85 Comment by Carl Savich on 19 February 2008:

Regarding #79, you say the US support of the mujahedeen led directly to the collapse of the Soviet Union.

But this is just a myth concocted to rationalize our support of Muslim cutthroats who were cutting the throats of Christians. This is a rationalization with no proof.

The Nazis also said that every Jew in Europe had to be exterminated because Jews were responsible for the loss of Germany in WWI and the economic collapse. But it was the German Army that sent Lenin to St. Petersburg and dealt with Trotsky. But this was a myth. Germany lost WWI because the US intervened and because the Germans were not all that brilliant as militarists. Once the Schlieffen Plan failed, they were screwed. No one thought out a strategy beyond that point. Duh! Georgi Zhukov destroyed the German military machine in WWII. The Russians burned so many dead German bodies in Stalingrad that the smell was awful. (See Khrushchev Remembers, 1970). Yeah, the Germans are such brilliant military strategists!

Now what is your proof that US support of the mujahedeen resulted in the collapse of the USSR? Sure, they shot down some Russian helicopters and killed some Orthodox Christians, but the Soviets killed a lot of mujahedeen, just like we are doing there now.

It also goes against common sense and human nature. War unites a nation and makes it stronger and more unified. Just look at America now after 911. CIA support for the mujahedeen kept the USSR together and proved to everyone that the US/CIA danger to Russia was real. It united the USSR, just like 911 did with us.

Also, you take a cynical posture about intervention. Kill them all and let Allah sort them out.

But I am sure those Soviet soldiers the CIA-trained mujahedeen were murdering were Orthodox Christians who were buried with crosses over their graves. Sure, many were from the other republics and many were Muslims, but many were Orthodox Russians and Ukrainians and Belorus who were Christians. The atheist thing was something US propaganda concocted.

Are you saying we were right in creating the mujahedeen to kill these Orthodox Christians?

Also, you say this was the Russian Vietnam. But that is pure absurdity and cynicism!

The CIA was on the friggin’ Soviet border threatening to unleash Ossama bin Laden types against the USSR. That would be like the KGB training Mexicans on the border of Texas to come in and kill Gringos and take back Tejas which the Gringo criminally seized in 1845. Now, that is a no brainer. You intervene. No American would allow that to happen. But that is what the CIA was doing in Afghanistan. Using Islam to take back those Soviet republics that were Muslim.

Vietnam was an adventure 6,000 miles away that was based on madness. We put in a dictator even though the majority saw him as a US stooge and puppet. There was no support for the US occupation whatsoever. Everyone wanted the US out of there.

Vietnam was not on the border with California. It was not a threat.

But the claim that our support of the mujahedeen brought down the USSR is insane because it goes against reason and human nature. War unites us. Threats create unity. Bush knows that well. So did Hitler.

This is a lie created by Charlie Wilson types who have a guilt complex for supporting Muslims who in turn killed Christians. Yeah, I guess it was “genocide” that motivated good old Charlie!!!! Seeing all those Muslim refugees ignited his Christian soul! What a humanitarian.

It was a policy that was criminal and immoral. And it united the USSR and kept it together. And it created Ossama bin Laden and led to 911.

That is what this Charlie Wilson is in denial about. You can make as many movies as you want, but that does not change the facts.

No, Charlie Wilson, you did not bring down the Soviet Union by creating Ossama. You only engaged in an immoral and criminal act that resulted in 911, when your mujahedeen Freedom Fly Boys killed 3,000 Americans.

The truth is not as pretty as lies. So go ahead and continue in your delusions, Charlie Wilson.
86 Comment by S. on 19 February 2008:

Mr. Savich, your comments are as interesting to read as is this superb column by one and only Dr. Trifkovic.

I agree with your comment on America’s guilt and crimes committed against the Serbs in the last decade and a half. But American has not been the only perpetrator of these crimes – we must not forget that Germany, UK and major Muslim countries deserve the same condemnation.
As for Albanians – their hate towards Serbs has blinded their horizons and prevented them to see that they are being used by their mentors. Albanians will never have Serbian Kosovo as their independent “state”!!!! Serbs will retain Kosovo!
87 Comment by Daniel on 19 February 2008:

@64 Matra

“…willingness to back up their demands with physical force.”

If you call burning churches, throwing rocks at praying nuns, and then hiding behind NATO troops physical force, then let me remind you that the KLA ran like cowards when the Serbs entered Kosovo in the late 90s. This is so typical of the region. The Serbs are the only group brave enough to stand on their own two feet on the battlefield throughout their entire history. All the others resort to cheap terrorist tactics (ie, Albanians, Bosnian muslims). Even to the north our wonderful friends the Croatians would have nothing if it weren’t for Naziism and Vatican-backed clerical facism in WWII (which our friend Michael Warning @53 above likely supports) and NATO/US interventionism during Operation Storm in the 90s waging attacks directly on fleeing lines of civilians.

I honestly believe that all the intense hatred displayed at the Serbs stems directly from their refusal to take orders from the Empires of history. All the other members of the former Yugoslavia only wish they had that kind of fortitude.

Patience my dear Matra. The Serbs will reclaim Kosovo. This is only the beginning.

And to Michael Warning @51 who states that “force is all the Serbs understand” in response to EVERY Trifkovic article, just take a look at our next door neighbors throughout history. One learns pretty quickly to become a warrior when surrounded by such characters.
88 Comment by Matra on 20 February 2008:

Patience my dear Matra. The Serbs will reclaim Kosovo. This is only the beginning.

Only if the forces of deracination don’t succeed in turning to Serbs into another post-national people. George Soros already has a foothold in the Serb media and something like 70% of Serbs want to join the EU.

So far all seems quiet. The Serb entity in Bosnia doesn’t seem to be planning to secede so no regional crisis is likely in the short term. Belgrade says it won’t use force. I suppose the next issue will be whether the Serbs can even hold onto the parts of Kosovo where they are prominent or will the population become dejected and move thus creating a virtually Serb-free Kosovo. They could also secede from ‘Kosova’ but in doing so would pretty much be accepting independence thus giving up the rest of Kosovo for good. The Serbs are in a very difficult position.
89 Comment by Johan Dieckmann on 20 February 2008:

Re. comment #81, simo

“… The Serbian government has contingency plans to send its army back into Kosovo. …”

I find this difficult to believe. The CIA stooge has just “won” the presidency – and has control of Serbian military.

Otherwise, all that you say is highly plausible.

Including that the Russian help is predicated on Serbian government making a request.

This request is what I do not see coming. Short of a correction, that is. Djindjic … er … Tadic … won’t be around “forever”, one would hope.
90 Comment by silver on 20 February 2008:

The Serbs are the only group brave enough to stand on their own two feet on the battlefield throughout their entire history.

Typical Balkanian bluster.

This is only the beginning.

It seems more like the denouement to me.

The Serbs will reclaim Kosovo.

Unless Serbs are prepared to transfer the Albanians out, any reclamation will be entirely useless. They didn’t do it in 1912 or in 1945, when the world was better disposed to such actions; they did it either hapharzadly or not at all (depending on whose propaganda you believe) in 1999 and brought the wrath of the world to bear on themselves anyway. Thus the odds that they will undertake the one action that would make a military reclamation of Kosmet worthwhile seem remote.

Only if the forces of deracination don’t succeed in turning to Serbs into another post-national people. George Soros already has a foothold in the Serb media and something like 70% of Serbs want to join the EU.

There is already an established Chinese colony (of sorts) in Bjeljina — an economic backwater in Republica Srpska — for crying out loud; if these Serbs can’t resist, what of the urbanites of Belgrade?

I suppose the next issue will be whether the Serbs can even hold onto the parts of Kosovo where they are prominent or will the population become dejected and move thus creating a virtually Serb-free Kosovo.

That is like wondering whether US whites will be able to hold onto parts of the Rio Grande Valley where they are “prominent”: When “the other” is 95% (and rising) of the population of a given territory, I’d say “prominence” is a one-way street.

It was game over for Serbs in Kosovo since the communists came to power. Serbs like my grandfather knew it decades ago, and left. The most recalcitrant are holding out to the bitter end, but that is all they will achieve. The simple yet apparently elusive keystone of human existence is demographics is destiny.

The next people in the region to learn this harsh truth for themselves will be the Macedonians, who have on their hands another Kosovo in the making. Albanians in Skopje (25% of that city) celebrated Kosovo’s declaration by spraying gunshots into the air and taunting cowering Macedonian bystanders that within a year they’d be celebrating the independance of “Illirida”. There isn’t a Macedonian alive who doesn’t feel, at least in his heart of hearts, that Albanians (mostly, but not wholly, by virtue of being Muslims) are insufferable and undesirable neighbors, yet nowhere is there the political will to do anything about their inevitable demographic supplantation. For all the tragedy it portends, we may grant that it is an attitude unimpeachably “European”.
91 Comment by Frank on 20 February 2008:

MMK, we need Europe to be Christian as well… water makes a better border I think.

If Europe comes to its senses, I’m confidant Kosovo will be returned to its rightful owners. Muslims ought to be expelled from all of Europe. They wish to expel heretics from their Holy Lands, yea? Well, why don’t we do the same, for political reasons since Europe isn’t holy?

And if Western Europe doesn’t come to its senses… well Serbia will be crushed anyway by Europistan unless Russia holds together.

So, better or worse, we’re all tied together; Muslims are Europe’s greatest enemy. (I’m American.)
92 Comment by ZIKA on 20 February 2008:

Of critical importance for Serbia is an ACTION and/or INACTION by the current Serbian leaders. As of now, they have largely marginalized the national identity & national pride of the people who, by force or by will, elected them in recent years. Empty speeches, hollow words, “peaceful demonstrations”, UN speech crap WILL NOT RECLAIM KOSOVO anytime soon. If history teaches us anything, there is a BIG VOID and a place for a new Obilic, Karadjordje or Pasic, if the Serbian people would have the guts to recognize them — while the current leaders still daydream of another UN speech!
93 Comment by Daniel on 20 February 2008:

@ silver 88

I understand your points very clearly. The Serbian leadership is still dreaming of the EU and selling the Serbian people out. But I will point out one thing to you. This demographic shift that you are talking about is happening throughout Europe and will eventually lead to violence and chaos throughout the continent, and the dissolving of the EU. If you think there will be EU troops protecting Albanians then, you are mistaken. It is at this point that the Serbs will have another chance to take back Kosovo. Then they might not be so nice as they were throughout history.

There is one thing that is true. If Christianity dies in Serbia, it will die in all of Europe. In that case, the US is not that far behind either, and we are all screwed.
94 Comment by jmcnulty on 20 February 2008:

Response to #83 and Carl Savich:

I never gave any credit to Charlie Wilson for Afghanistan. That is a Hollywood myth. Yes, it is true that the Afghan resistance started with money donated by a number of persons, including a few wealthy, right-wing Americans, but the mujihadeen only received worn out or defective Soviet-bloc weapons. The idea was to maintain the illusion that the West was not arming the mujihadeen. Years later, the Reagan administration authorized a large, “covert” (so “secret” that Dan Rather was reporting on it from the scene) CIA progam to arm the mujihadeen with modern weapons, including Stinger missiles that brought down helicopter gunships. In truth, it was not “Charlie Wilson’s War.” I do believe that the war helped bring down the Soviet Union. It is all well and good that say that war is a source of unity, but the fact is that Soviet dead shipped secretely and buried without fanfare, and the Soviet Union was shocked at the poor performance of its troops. If you read about Sayyid Q’tub and the Moslem Brotherhood, it is clear that the seeds of 9/11 were planted in Greeley, Colorado, in the Forties.
95 Comment by Matra on 20 February 2008:

That is like wondering whether US whites will be able to hold onto parts of the Rio Grande Valley where they are “prominent”: When “the other” is 95% (and rising) of the population of a given territory, I’d say “prominence” is a one-way street.

silver, Serbs are still “prominent” in Mitrovica. Presumably that is also the case in one or two other areas of the north.

I agree, though, about the Balkan bluster in this thread. I recall being told in August 1995 that Serbs would some day return to and retake Krajina. They have not exactly put up a Palestinian style resistance since then.

Muslims are Europe’s greatest enemy. (I’m American.)

For centuries Europe had no serious trouble with Muslims. That has changed in the decades since the USA became the dominant world power. Europe’s ruling class could very easily resist Islam but they refuse to do so. That ruling class is completely Americanised. The don’t believe in rooted nations. Muslims are merely taking advantage of the opportunity presented to them on a platter. But it wasn’t Islam that convinced Europe to believe in social Marxism, proposition nations, and corporate capitalism.
96 Comment by Johan Dieckmann on 20 February 2008:

“…
Russia says EU seeking to oust UN mission from Kosovo

MOSCOW. Feb 20 (Interfax) – A senior Russian official claimed on Wednesday that the European Union seeks to oust the UN mission from Kosovo.

“The objective of the EU’s actions is clear – to oust from Kosovo the UN mission that operates there under [UN] Security Council Resolution 1244 and other decisions by the council. Russia is categorically against such developments,” Alexander Konuzin, director of the Foreign Ministry’s department for international organizations, told Interfax.

“We will use all lawful political and diplomatic means in countering those unilateral coercive actions,” Konuzin said.

…”

http://www.interfax.ru/e/B/politics/28.html?id_issue=11973719

Nice gesture, but hardly of practical value
97 Comment by michael warning on 20 February 2008:

How is it that the Neo-cons have so much power as to create an independent Kosovo? What does a Chronicle reader call himself? I would like to know. And how come not one of you Chronicle readers/writers were able to have any influence in this Kosovo matter. I find it very interesting that in what you guys are against, you can do nothing about. It’s like you all are out of the loop or your opinions do not matter and your arguments are not convincing. Because Kosovo is now independent. How is it that none of you were able to stop this? I know what a neo-con is but what do you guys call yourselves? I need to know to say some time in the near future see how these.…. so and so…. supported the Serbs to their own detriment..
98 Comment by Vlado on 20 February 2008:

I’m still in shock. One thing that comes to mind is the Civil War and the declaration of Independence by the Confederate States … but does the rest of it speak for itself?
99 Comment by Chris on 20 February 2008:

jmcnulty,

You write, “The war in Afghanistan directly led to the fall of the Soviet Union. ”

Please outline the steps from the Afghan war to the fall of the USSR:
100 Comment by Chris on 20 February 2008:

Carl, I hope you’re not implying that there was no widespread persecution of practicing Christians in the USSR. You would be clearly wrong on that one.
101 Comment by Allen Wilson on 20 February 2008:

Mr Warning, everyone here seems to realise that posting on blogs will not change history. What have you done to change the world? Tell us all what you can do yourself to change the course of history, and what you actually have done. Otherwise, stop this petty nonsense so that this blog doesn’t degenerate into name calling while an important event is taking place.
102 Comment by Adam Frank on 20 February 2008:

One of the failures leading up to this was Serbia not restoring Metohija back to it’s pre-Communist rightful owner-the Serbian Orthodox Church.They could have invited in peacekeepers from other Orthodox countries.

The other mistake was not sending in troops when the Albanians were attacking the Serbs in Kosovska Mitrovica a few years ago.

As to the comment on Serbia not having any nuclear weapons-they had a small reactor at Vinca that Russia orchestrated to be taken away post the NATO bombing.
103 Comment by Daniel on 20 February 2008:

@99 Allen Wilson

Thanks for your comment Allen. We were all getting pretty tired of Mr Warning. I think he just like to hear himself speak.
104 Comment by Lisa on 21 February 2008:

On behalf of all Albanians throughout the world, allow me to express my deepest and sincerest condolences on your loss, not to worry, Kosova is in the hands of her beloved Illirian ancestry.
105 Comment by Nancy Rose on 21 February 2008:

Daar lisa,

You Albanians are not “Illirian”; you are just CHETYANS who arrived with their masters the Turks… as your simple and oddly common language proves.

And since Kosovo is a Serbian word… just changing the last letter to an ‘A’ does NOT make it Chetyon.
106 Comment by Allen Wilson on 21 February 2008:

@103 Here again, the arrogance of Albanians seems to have no ends.
107 Comment by sally on 21 February 2008:

Someone asked do the serbs have any fight left in them. Today they set fire to the American embassy in Belgrade thinking on the lines i guess when large countries pay no heed to laws then why should a small country.
When i saw a photograph of president Clinton head bowed in front of a monument to Al-Qaeda in a Serb village inscriptions in Arabic this made me search out the truth.
The USA EUSSR UK NATO i can never trust again. when now i see lots of burka or hijab clad women and bearded men on the streets of Kosovo demos where 5000 jihadist protest last saturday my fears are realised an islamic state in Europe.

The guy that relies on the BBC for news don’t!
After days of rioting muslims in Denmark where schools were burned down the police attacked with molotov cocktails the BBC chose not to bother giving this a mention at all.
Their EU masters are in charge and they in turn bow to their Arab masters.
Our banking systems are going over to sharia laws across the globe. it feels to me like we’ve been sold down the river by the traitors within.
sharia watch financial..try to use anything other than a google search engine.
God-Bless the Serbian. people my head hangs in shame today!

SIOE UK.
108 Comment by Frank on 21 February 2008:

With modern genetic testing someone could test the Albanians to determine just whom they’re most closely related to. Fuzzy myths of origin no longer need to be fuzzy.

Since it sounds like the Albanians are driven partly by this mythos of a special lineage, perhaps a Serb could undertake such a study to shatter this false identity… if indeed it’s false
109 Comment by Srdja Trifkovic on 21 February 2008:

It has been attempted by the Albanians themselves, but since the results failed to provide any grist for the “Illyrian” mill, they were not publicized.
110 Comment by XX on 21 February 2008:

“Daniel,” “Lisa”: no need to use Western names to write your opinion.
You are free to use your Muslim name, nobody can see you here!
111 Comment by Boba on 21 February 2008:

Re # 106 Frank

Albanians are not Illyrians…! Prof. Peter Maher wrote in the Voice of Canadian Serbs (February 2008 issue)….

…..The modern Albanian lexicon is full of Greek, Slavic and Latin words. In 1990 I heard a lecture at the University of Ljubljana by a Kosovo Albanian professor from the University of Pristina : he demonstrated that Albanian is of northern origin since it shares with Rumanian, up on the Danube , and only with Rumanian, a set of some 60 vocabulary items that are not found in other languages of the region. Tsar Dushan was emperor of the Slavs and “Albanians”, but medievalists know that this term is geographical, not ethnic or linguistic. In Greek dialects of recent times the word can stand for Greeks and Albanians of the region. Lists of the soldiery of Venice designate as “Albanians” names that are mostly Greek, less often Albanian and Slavic. A Street behind the Doge’s Palace is still known for these troops – Via degli Albanesi.
In 1389 Albanians made up 2% of the population of Kosovo. Millennia before the Indo-European Slavs, Romans, Greeks, Albanians and others (e.g. Celts and Goths) arrived there, the Balkans had been inhabited by settlers from the eastern Mediterranean and, in addition, surviving (if any) late Ice Age hunters. Professor Marija Gimbutas [1921-1994], pre-historian, demonstrated that agricultural “Old European” civilizations go back to 7000 BC in the Balkans. No Indo-Europeans were there, hence no Illyrians, no Albanians, no Greeks, no Latins and no Slavs, regarding the languages involved. – However, DNA from the pre-Indo-Europeans is probably to be found yet among Balkan peoples, inherited from ancestors who intermarried with the newcomers.
Previous to Old European civilizations the Balkans were thinly inhabited by hunting bands, e.g. at the whirlpool of Lepenski Vir on the Danube in Serbia. A fairly up-to-date reference work, the Encyclopedia of Indo-European Culture summarizes:
“The Albanians occupy part of the former territory of the Illyrians. [So does Austria: JPM]. It is a possibility that today’s Albanian language continues the earlier Illyrian.” However, it continues, “such a connection is NOT DEMONSTRABLE. Illyrian is too little known and Albanian is first attested only in the fifteenth century, already having undergone very substantial phonological changes.” [J. P. Mallory and D. Q. Adams, Editors. 1997.. London & Chicago : Fitzroy Dearborn.]
Logically, it is equally possible that that the modern language called Albanian is NOT descended from ancient “Illyrian”. From all evidence, this is the only probable case.
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113 Comment by Leo on 22 February 2008:

If this disgraceful dhimmi action by the West has permanently alienated the Serbs from the EU,then Serbia has won.Kosovo is a place that can be recovered;once lost national identity is forever lost.Like the Serbs someday soon all European Christians may have to appeal to Orthodox Russia for help.Better to learn Russian than Arabic.As an American patriot and traditional Christian I look forward to the USA being thrown out of (inter alia) Europe.We don’t support this pro-Islamic empire. Fighting to support the restoration of the traditional republic is …well…patriotic.So…good show young Serbs!Burn our damn embassy down and send home the Minnesota National Guard(unless they want to volunteer for the Tsar Lazar Guard and stay).
114 Comment by Goran on 22 February 2008:

Serbs are used to the hatred expressed by michael warning in his messages Nos. 51 and 53. He sounds as if he is from the US Government and he even insults the Serb religion. I am sick and tired of listening Wesley Clarke, Richard Holbrooke, Dan Serwer and others from the US who broke international law into pieces and still claim that Kosovo independence is legal – in accordance with the SC Resolution 1244(!?). These people should have been accused of war crimes. These people are shame for the US because they deceive their own people. The appeasment of Muslims by granting the independence to Kosovo at the Serbs’ expense looks like appeasment of Hitler with Sudetland.
115 Comment by james on 22 February 2008:

Does no one notice that the senior people in the Clinton and Bush administration as well as media are Jewish who are hardcore Supporters of Isreal yet pro Kosovo independence. This point should be made very clear. I bet Mr Flemming Rose (Danish Muhammed cartoon editor) is pro independence.
116 Comment by simo on 22 February 2008:

Re:#116

James, you hit the nail right on the head. Apparently, you and I are the only two bloggers on this site who see the real not-so-hidden power here.

It is unprecedented in world history, at least according to my knowledge of it, that a world power is the satellite of a regional power. That is precisely the relationship that exists between the United States of America and Israel.

America, for all practical purposes, is pursuing Jewish interests, and not real American interests, in supporting the mostly secular Muslims in the former Yugoslavia.

The Israelis and the world Jewish community obviously have a powerful interest in trying to mitigate Muslim (and Arab) anger directed at them. The creation of a Jewish state in the heart of the Muslim world at the expense of the mostly Palestinian Muslims has greatly antagonized and alienated the world’s Muslims. And America’s blind and illogical support of that state adds fuel to the fire.

So in order to compensate for that, even in some small way, the Christian Serbs were to be targeted and their interests and even their identity were to be sacrificed. That explains America’s support of the Bosnian Muslims as well as the Albanian Muslims in Kosovo.

The former Yugoslavia has no strategic value to the United States. First of all, they don’t need Yugoslavia if they want to encircle Russia, because Yugoslavia does not border Russia. Second, the oil of the Caspian basin and Asia Minor in general could be in theory secured without dominating or controlling the former Yugoslavia.

That leaves as the only possible explanation for what has gone in Bosnia and Kosovo a desire on the part of America to pacify the Muslim world because of its nonsensical support of Israel.
117 Comment by Adam Frank on 22 February 2008:

One of the most recognizable people of Albanian descent was John Belushi-who was an orthodox Christian.

I saw an old SNL where Jim Belushi was doing a rap dance wearing an Albanian flag t-shirt.

Kostunica needs to get of his leagalistic A@# and move troops into northern Kosovo.
118 Comment by Kumbaya on 22 February 2008:

Some questions and answers:

Q: Are the Jews behind partition of Yugoslavia and Serbia?
A: Total nonsense. Reason is imperialism of great power of the current era, USA.

Q: Can Serbs Do Anything?
A: Not without fighting. History shows only great cost of blood to liberate from Turks, Germans, etc.

Q: Can Serbs win if they fight?
A: Yes. But they have to be ready to pay great price. In WW1 it was 1 in 3 males. This time it should not cost so much. Current empire has army of McChicken soldiers competent at beating up unarmed towelheads and Arab girls.

Q: Are Muslims the Enemy?
A: Not for Serbs. Maybe for eggheds like S. Trifkovic, who thinks that the enemy of racist America and Europe should be enemy of Serbs as well. Makes no sense. Serbs have lived with muslims peacefully and amicably and will continue to do so. All Serbs want is freedom in their own land.
119 Comment by Johan Dieckmann on 22 February 2008:

Some good news:

2008/02/22 13:01:35 GMT, BBC

“…

*** Russia could use force in Kosovo ***

Russia’s ambassador to Nato, Dmitry Rogozin, has warned that Russia could use military force if the Kosovo independence dispute escalates.

“If the EU develops a unified position or if Nato exceeds its mandate set by the UN, then these organisations will be in conflict with the UN,” he said.

In that case Russia would “proceed on the basis that in order to be respected we need to use brute force”, he said.

… … …

Russian media outcry

The EU will soon deploy 2,000 officials to strengthen law and order in Kosovo, which has a population of about two million. Russia argues that the mission has no legal basis.

There has been a furious reaction in some Russian media to Kosovo’s declaration of independence.

A commentary in the Vesti Plus analytical programme, on state-run television, called the assassinated former Serbian Prime Minister, Zoran Djindjic, a Western puppet who had “received a well-deserved bullet”.

It said Djindjic had sold national heroes to the International War Crimes Tribunal in The Hague.

The programme concluded that Serbia – and not only Serbia – must now decide whether to acquiesce in what has happened, or resist.

…”

(http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/mpapps/pagetools/print/news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7258801.stm )

Tadic could meet his friend Djindjic soon.

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Related:

Feb 22 2008 3:44PM, Interfax
Kosovo may split into two parts – Russian Foreign Ministry
http://www.interfax.ru/e/B/politics/28.html?id_issue=11975602

Feb 22 2008 9:59PM, Interfax
Recognizing Kosovo independence “terrible precedent” – Putin
http://www.interfax.ru/e/B/politics/28.html?id_issue=11975823
120 Comment by malesori on 22 February 2008:

Kosovo has long been filled with an Albanian majority which is also racially superior to the Serbs. Albanians in Montenegro don’t and as much going for them as the Kosovars because Montenegrins are basically the same as their Albanian minority- racially dinaric, manly, hard-headed, and violent. Most Serbs and Macedonian Bulgarians don’t stand a chance being less sharp, more dull, ugly, and even physically weaker. Those are the facts.. And the day Europe stands against islam is the day every “muslim” Albanian gets baptised.
121 Comment by Tomislav Milosevic on 22 February 2008:

Mr. malesori is addressing Stevie Wonder I presume…………..
122 Comment by Kumbaya on 23 February 2008:

Fact Check:

Malesori says Serbs “physically weaker” than Albanians.

Q: Which nation has tallest tallest average height of males?
A: Serbia and Republika Srpska, with average male height of 186 cm (6-1). Netherlands is second with young men averaging 6 ft. tall.

http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2007/SimasCeckauskas.shtml

Albania is not mentioned. Known for shortness of stature, violence (domestic), low level of literacy.
123 Comment by james on 23 February 2008:

@119Kumbaya

Q: Are the Jews behind partition of Yugoslavia and Serbia?

Yes they played a central role starting with U.S. Ambassador Warren Zimmerman who convinced Alija Izetbegovic (Bosnian-Muslim leader) to renounce the Lisbon agreement where croatian,serb and muslim leaders reached an agreement http://www.slobodan-milosevic.org/bosnia-started.htm

Plus jewish owned media especially ITN who created the fake death camp story who created the holocaust in europe concept which was aided by Simon Weisenthal who incouraged the US to intervene in Bosnia.

Plus the media which reported fake news stories of Serb atrocities while failing to mention that Bosnia was running large scale terrorist training camps with the likes of Iran which is largely jewish dominated.

Q: Can Serbs Do Anything?

No except highlight the fact that Jews who support Isreal hypocritically suppport pro independence kosovo.

Q: Can Serbs win if they fight?

No because due to US backed ethnic cleansing the Serb population of Kosovo is only about 5% now.

Q: Are Muslims the Enemy?

For Serbs they are who have been tortured, kidnapped and been bombed out of there villages and what we have now is a state involved in sex trafficing, heroin smuggling and a haven to terrorist groups.
124 Comment by Kumbaya on 23 February 2008:

The Big Picture

Q: What is the problem with the world today?
A: Occupation of territory and oppression of peoples by great imperial power. Kosovo, Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.

World History of last five centuries characterized by rise and expansion of white European — especially Anglo — conquest of worldwide territories and peoples.

Today’s Empire, USA, is seamless continuation of British Empire — self-named “Anglosphere” as proudly proclaimed by current Anglo-American “intellectuals.” Has co-opted other racist European colonialist mini-empires in last century.

First four centuries of Anglosphere: Anglo conquest and colonization of North America, Australia, Africa, Asia. Accompanied by genocidal obliteration of indigenous peoples, importation of African slave labor en masse for plantations in US, Carribean.

Last century of Anglosphere: Steady drive to forcefully seize world commerce and trade. Domestic culture marked by racism, intolerance, faux superiority, moral degradation, physical degradation (obesity, substance abuse, declining education and intelligence).

Q: How Long Will Anglosphere Last?
A: Days Numbered. Like All empires in History, inevitable fall precipitated by weakening of moral fiber and character, rise of hubris, domestic tyranny, overstretch of foreign conquests and adventures.

Q: Can Serbs Challenge Empire and win?
A: Yes. History shows Serbs challenged and defeated two great empires, Ottoman and Germanic. Current Empire much weaker cloth.

Q: What is relevance of Anglosphere media?
A: None for Serbs. Anglosphere media only makes beasts of burden of own populace by putting blinders and nose ring on them — leading them into their own enslavement.

Q: What is relevance of Jews?
A: None for Serbs. Jews play prominent role in Anglosphere appartus of power. A wise ancient people with a long history has made them tough and heartless. They occupy similar role as Greeks in Roman Empire. Will flee like rats from burning Anglosphere ship.

Q: Why is Anglosphere at war with Islam?
A: Are they? Or is Islamic world simply rebelling against chafing yoke of colonial rule? Mespotamia (Iraq) invaded and occupied how many times by Anglosphere this centruy? Historical Fact: First use of aviation as a weapon was against Arab civilians 97 years ago. Continues mercilessly to this day.

http://www.brushtail.com.au/july_04_on/bombing_arabs_history.html

Certain Poetic Justice in Arab success inflicting tiny bit of payback to Anglo opressor was through use of Anglo’s own airplanes.

Q: Are muslims a problem for Serbs?
A: None whatsoever. Serbs handled muslims and showed them exit more than 100 years ago. Without Anglosphere empire, no Balkan muslims would consider making problems for Serbs. They know Serbs are tolerant, evenhanded and just. They have nothing to fear — nothing to gain from conflict.

Serbs have kinship with oppressed Arab world. Religion not an issue. Mutual opression by Anglosphere makes us Brothers. Decades of good relations, economic cooperation with Angloshpere-opposed moderate Arab countries Iraq, Syria, etc.
125 Comment by Michael Warning on 23 February 2008:

Kumbaya you wrote:”Q: Can Serbs Challenge Empire and win?
A: Yes. History shows Serbs challenged and defeated two great empires, Ottoman and Germanic. Current Empire much weaker cloth.”

This started in 1914 with Serbia desiring to be Greater Serbia. In 2008 it is now Lesser Serbia. But I will hold all of you serb defenders to your own words. To think that Lesser Serbia is somehow the political Messiahs sent to destroy the New World Order is just wishful thinking. How sad that many of you Chroincle readers have placed your last and best hope in Lesser Serbia.

Remember this past week events. This is how Lesser Serbia starts it’s own destruction.

When Serbs start killing US Soldiers what will Cronicle readers think? It’s ok?

In his politics, Aristotle said that bad beginings lead to a bad end.

The bad begining of a desried Serb “victory” was the destruction of a US Embassy.

Again as I said before you Serbs do not see what is coming.
126 Comment by Goran on 23 February 2008:

Michael Warning leave Srdja Trifkovic alone for the moment. You sound like Richard Holbrooke anyway. Here is what Prof. Gary Leupp from Tufts University wrote on 19 February 2008 in his article “The Independence of Kosovo”:

“U.S. allies weary of efforts to drag them into U.S. wars. U.S. imperialism confronts something of a crisis as its partners rethink where their real interests lie. The GDP of the EU now exceeds the U.S. figure. The euro is much stronger than the dollar. People everywhere hate the U.S. government, which they associate with war-promoting lies and general savagery. Bush is out of political capital, domestically and internationally, as Kosovo announces its independence, made possible by U.S. lies and bloody intervention, “threatening,” as the Russians put it, “the foundations of a world order.”

Everything dies eventually. Hitler’s “New Order in Europe,” Japan’s “New Order in East Asia,” George H. W. Bush’s “New World Order” proclaimed as he launched the first Gulf War in 1990. The present world order is profoundly unfair and deserves to be threatened, by the right people, with a better alternative. But the assault on Yugoslavia in 1999 brought nothing positive; rather, more intolerance and suffering, more ethnic cleansing. A new regime emerges, applauded by its American sponsors and most of the EU (but rejected by Greece, Cyprus, Romania, Slovakia, Spain and Bulgaria). It is wrapped in smoke, in a legacy of smoldering churches. Smells like the cremation of a world order.”

Read the whole article @ http://www.counterpunch.org, it will help you!

Gary Leupp is Professor of History at Tufts University, and Adjunct Professor of Comparative Religion.
127 Comment by Michael Warning on 23 February 2008:

@127 Boba: “There is no force, no threat, and no punishment big and hideous enough for any Serb, at any time, to say anything different but, Kosovo is Serbia! “Serbian Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica

From Ecclesiasticus 30:11:

“Give him not liberty in his youth, and wink not at his devices. Bow down his neck while he is young, and beat his sides while he is a child, lest he grow stubborn, and regard thee not,”

This above holy advice can be equally applied to the newly born independent Kosovo, with Lesser Serbia invading Kosovo less Kosovo become unrulely toward it’s father Serbia.

Or most likey the above holy advice pertians to the unrulely Lesser Serbia nation which did not bow down it’s neck to the West and therefore has grown stubborn and will regard the West not.
128 Comment by Michael Warning on 23 February 2008:

@ Mr. Goran

And Our Lady of Fatima said:

“In the end my Immaculate Heart will Triumph”

I will listen to Her on geo-political events, not some professor.
129 Comment by Michael Warning on 23 February 2008:

@ Mr Goran:

“People everywhere hate the U.S. government”Prof. Gary Leupp from Tufts University

Really? I do not hate the US Government. How can I or expected to? This is the land of my Birth. How foolish for anyone to say he hates his country.

Now Chronicle readers have joined the ranks of the anti-american left?

This is getting weird and strange. What is more important to American Born Citizens? Your own country or lesser Servia?
130 Comment by Goran on 23 February 2008:

Michael Warning, love your country, but let others love theirs. Live and let live.

You are allowed to insult and spit out threats here. Great, I have no single objecton. That is democracy. What are you going to do: bomb Serbia again? It seems that you know nothing else to do.

Or may be I am mistaken? May be you will again promote hanging live on TV (“it is not us, it’s Iraqis who did that”) whoever that might be? Or, will you support your presidential candidate who publicly stated yesterday that he would like to see “Castro meet Karl Marx soon?” What sort of culture are we talking about in 21st century? Am I missing something?

You justify the theft of 15% of somebody else’s territory and then blame those robbed for revolting. You blame Serbia for “invading Kosovo”!?? When did this happen? Do you know what you are talking about?

You say you read Dante. Which circle are you in?
131 Comment by Kumbaya on 23 February 2008:

Kumbaya surmises Mr. “Warning” is neither Anglo-American nor Albanian.

Tactless gloating and taunting characterstic of Croat personality.

Also note obsessive Catholicism.
132 Comment by JRQuid on 23 February 2008:

Mr. Warning,

I’m not certain that Our Lady thought she was providing a resolution to the current Balkans mess when she spoke at Fatima. But since you do, I wonder, why all the disputations from you here? Given your apparent conception of the earlier events, one would think there’s nothing for you to do now; certainly no need to waste your time squabbling with all these emails! Or does the resolution earlier provided somehow require your input now?
133 Comment by Allen Wilson on 23 February 2008:

Mr Warning has succeeded, with his arrogance and insults, to lower the level of discussion on this thread. So does the silly question and answer format being used by the rather offensive ‘Kumbaya’, whoever he is. Take your arrogance and slanders lesewhere and leave us alone to discuss real issues.

For any Serb here, what is the mood of the people in your area at this time? Is there readiness for action or have they calmed down? Do you think any action will be forthcoming from the Serbian government? Have you seen anyhting that might portend some event? I ask this because of the bias and control of the media here in the Evil Empire keeps me from being sure about anything.
134 Comment by Michael Warning on 23 February 2008:

“The United States is the main culprit … for all those violent acts,” Serbia’s Minister for Kosovo Slobodan Samardzic said.
135 Comment by Goran on 23 February 2008:

Allen Wilson, thank you. He has not succeeded in anything but finally showing that he is Dante. He missed the thread.

Serbia always claimed that she was not for resolving this issue by use of force. There were about half a million people on the demonstrations on the 21st (according to todays police estimates). Those were peaceful demonstrations, but people are generally angry and some events went out of control. The anger errupted. It is calm now, but demonstrations are held all the time. Yesterday and today in Northern Kosovo, Republika Srpska and Montenegro. We are awaiting to see the next steps of the Government. Law is completely on our side and I think that next moves will be going in that direction.
136 Comment by Kumbaya on 23 February 2008:

To Serbs:

Q: Why is Kumbaya posting here now?
A: Modern Battle for Kosovo has just begun. Now “Recognition Game” is important.

Fact: No Arab state has yet recognized “independent” Kosovo.

Unfortuante Fact: Some misguided Serbs causing more harm than good by attempting to stir up anti-muslim sentiment. Serbs not at war with muslim world. This sentiment is unnatural and bizarre to most Serbs.

Historical Fact: Problem in Balkans c.1990’s not about religion. Problem is 100 percent Anglo-European desire for Balkan conquest. Most Serbs recognize this.

Case in Point: Democratic Election in Bosnia of Serb-allied Fikret Abdic, 1991. Abdic soon sidelined by Anglo-European imperial power. Muslim hardliner Izetbegovic installed. Mulsims used as proxies BY ANGLO-EUROPEAN EMPIRE.

Conclusion: No Anglo-European interference, no problem for Serbs with Muslims.

Unfortunate Fact #2: Same misguided Serbs caused many of todays problems by clamoring regime-change in Serbia during Milosevic era.

Milosevic not Kumbaya’s favorite either (should have fought for Krajina, not bluffed; should not have capitulated to Nato air war; wars cost blood, no getting around that).

BUT, throwing Slobo to Anglo-European Hague allowed Anglosphere to make plenty propaganda hay that has wounded Serbian nation.

ALSO, installing Pro-Western puppet regime made things much worse in Kosovo. Now same misguided Serb eggheads who bellowed eight years ago for pro-Western reform, now pulling U-turn. Now bawling: “West no good.”

Kumbaya’s Observation: Serb eggheads who after Sept. 2001 decided to cozy up to Mother Serpent America, because “we both are at war with muslims” is very pathetic.

Serbs have much more honor than to grovel at Mother Serpent’s cold belly.

Anyway Mother Serpent not impressed with Serb overtures. Mother Serpent respect only sharp blade.
137 Comment by Kumbaya on 23 February 2008:

Kumbaya sorry to bother “real issues” guy Allen Wilson. Suggest he gulp McChicken and chill down.

At least Wilson, unlike most Anglo flock, realizes being led by nose by informative media.

Kumbaya also disgusted to see milquetoast homily from “peacenik” Goran.

Heaven forbid Serb should fight for own land. What would the civilized Europe think?
138 Comment by David Collins on 23 February 2008:

For what it’s worth, I enjoy Kumbaya’s question-and-answer posts, Mr. Wilson. If Mr. Warning is an American, as he claims, then I’m ashamed to have my fellow countryman make such ridiculous posts. Yes, our Lady’s Immaculate Heart will triumph – which means, surely, the hubristic American hegemon will collapse and Serbia can retake Kosovo.
139 Comment by Allen Wilson on 23 February 2008:

My critical mentioning of Kumbaya’s post was too hasty, you have my apologies, Kumbaya.
140 Comment by Allen Wilson on 23 February 2008:

Kumbaya, it just gets frustrating when you’re trying to find out something worth knowing about this issue, and then someone like Mr Warning comes in with insults and sidetracks the discussion into some wierd argument. Your posts actually are quite informative.
141 Comment by Kumbaya on 24 February 2008:

No worries, Allen Wilson. Kumbaya not offended in least. Appreciate your contribution too.

Kumbaya actually enjoy McChicken. Bic Mac not bad either. Just don’t eat every day.
142 Comment by Kumbaya on 24 February 2008:

Kumbaya Miffed

Reason: Egghead blog censor removed post by Bill Temple.

Why? Temple linked to excellent Kosovo article on leftist webiste.

Reminder: Rules of discussion about politeness, not political orientation.

ALSO, praticipants all grownups. Don’t need protection from big bad wolf socialist websites.
143 Comment by Kumbaya on 24 February 2008:

Word Games

Q: What is “International Law?”
A: Euphemism describing postwar order where Big Dogs acknowledge one another’s turf.

Fact: Has nothing to do with “Law” or “Internationalism.” All about Big Dogs power balance.

Q: What was Cold War About?
A: Long-Haul effort by Anglosphere Empire to bring about End of International Law. IE, Shift Power Balance all to Anglosphere.

Q: What is Kosovo About?
A: Final Offensive of Anglosphere-led Cold War to assert End of Power Balance with Russia, China.

NEWS FLASH: COLD WAR NOT OVER. FINAL BATTLE JUST JOINED.

BIG QUESTION: WHAT IS PUTIN THINKING?
BIG ANSWER: PUTIN READY TO THROW DOWN.

Why? Same as 1914. Empire spoiling for fight has drawn line in sand that opponent cannot accept. End of postwar order means Total Defeat for Russia. Russia Cannot Accept demotion to toothless dog.

Nineteen-fourteen also preceded by long Cold War, from end of 1870 Franco-Prussian War. All Hot Wars preceded by Cold Wars.

Q: What happens next in Kosovo?
A: Escalation. Hot spot will be on fake “border” with Serbia. Aggressive moves (violence against Serb protesters, attempting to seal border) by Empire Stormtroopers will precipitate direct Russian Intervention.

Kumbaya Observation: Putin more eager for Kosovo Confrontation than Balls-in-Dixiecup Serb Leadership.

May need to drag Serb leadership kicking-screaming into fight. (Pathetic).

How: Civil Unrest powerful tool to exert pressure on governments. Anglosphere Empire not only one to demonstrate proficinecy in ancient art. Expect escalating street action in Belgrade — with Russian blessing.

Case in Point: Recent unrest in Georgia. Newly-pliant Sakaashvili now making gentle noises to Putin, after close encounter with Tblisi lightpost noose.

Conclusion: Under Pressure from Vlad, Serbian Leadership to become Increasingly Assertive on Kosovo, or dumped outright.

Kumbaya Handicaps: Bush Junior has large balls, but is not good at thinking. Does not seem bothered that Empire junior partners (UK, Germany, France) not so keen on WW3 in own backyard.

Putin no dummy also knows this. Advantage Putin.

Timing: Imperial Overstretch abroad (Iraq,) has set domestic mob to grumbling. Presidential election, mini-cold war with Iran, does not sound like most opportune time to launch Final Battle of THE ULTIMATE WAR FOR PLANET EARTH.

Kumbaya Observation: Kosovo calculated gambit for Empire. Empire on offensive, not backed up against wall. Can fold hand rather than throw down.

On Other Hand: Empires Don’t Back Down. Inertia could carry Empire into Real Fight.

Kumbaya Will Enjoy. Waiting Long Time For Denouement.
144 Comment by Sven on 24 February 2008:

“What happens when California is overwhelmingly Hispanic-Mexican or Texas or Arizona?”

What happens if Russia recognize the native american Sioux state of Lakotah?

I sure like to be around when that happens…
145 Comment by james on 24 February 2008:

@143Kumbaya

The idea that Putin wants to use Kosovo to be assertive and confrontational to the west is stupid and you seem to paint Russia as the enemy. You seem to share the same view points as the West with of politicians and journalists like John McCain and Edward Lucas talking about a non existant new USSR about to emerge so Russia can be pinned down and encircled which suits most Europeans anyway as they hate Russians anyway.

In his last press conference he outlined the fact that further internal development of his country is his main objective not seeking a confrontation with anyone and sitting the fact that Russian bases have been removed from Vietnam and Cuba yet NATO forces have encircled Russia and a missle defence system which is almost certainly targeted at Russia is installed in Czech Republic and Poland.
146 Comment by Kumbaya on 24 February 2008:

Kumbaya Puzzled.

“Non-Stupid” James first says idea of Russia as “enemy” is dumb.

Then points out Nato encircled Russia and missile defense system coming too.

Kumbaya detect big contradiction.

Kumbaya sure same contradiction not lost on Vlad.

Perhaps non-stupid James napping when Russia threatened force in Kosovo, day before yesterday.

Feb. 22, 2008. Russian Nato envoy Dmitry Rogozin speaking in Brussels:

“If the European Union…or Nato breaches its mandate in Kosovo…we must use brute force, in other words armed force.”

Rogozin was referring directly to Nato attempting to seal Kosovo border with Serbia.

He added, “there could be quite a dramatic development between Russia and Nato.”

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=44203&sectionid=351020602

Perhaps non-stupid James has also missed fact that Putin has made Kosovo the number one issue on agenda — ahead of missile defense.

Kumbaya wonder if maybe non-stupid James napping a little too much.
147 Comment by Michael Warning on 24 February 2008:

Kumbaya my lord…you wote:

“Q: What happens next in Kosovo?
A: Escalation. Hot spot will be on fake “border” with Serbia. Aggressive moves (violence against Serb protesters, attempting to seal border) by Empire Stormtroopers will precipitate direct Russian Intervention.”

Of course it is already set.. it is the fault of the West..

“Serbia’s hard-line leaders on Saturday called the U.S. “the main culprit” in the violence that has broken out since Kosovo declared independence.”

“The United States is the main culprit … for all those violent acts,” Serbia’s Minister for Kosovo Slobodan Samardzic said in Belgrade.

“If the United States sticks to its present position that the fake state of Kosovo exists … all responsibility in the future will be on the United States,” Kostunica adviser Branislav Ristivojevic said in a statement.”

As a child I was always haunted by Kumbaya during the New Mass….
You bring back terrifying memories….kumbaya…

Again the Serbs are not to blame when they invade independent Kosovo. It is all the fault of the West…
148 Comment by james on 24 February 2008:

@146Kumbaya

The quotes you have taken are taken out of context and are not the full quotes and doesn’t negate what I said before.
The full qotes are actually “if the European Union works out a common position, or if NATO breaches its mandate in Kosovo, these organizations will be in conflict with the United Nations,” then “We too will have to proceed from the view that in order to be respected we must use brute force, in other words armed force.” What he basically is saying is if a state can be carved out by force from a soveirgn country against its wishes then theoretically Russia can do the same from this perspective” similar statement where said about the Iraq presedent but Russia was not going to invade other countries, he didnt say Russia was going to deploy troops to kosovo or seek approval from Belgrade for troops to be stationed in Serbia. In a nutshell the US alone cant make the new rules to govern the world.

The rest of the article reads:
“Rogozin also cited unconfirmed reports that NATO troops were blocking the border between Kosovo and Serbia and not allowing Serb officials into Kosovo.

“This is not what we agreed. If this information is confirmed, then here in Brussels there will be some tough talking with our partners, and there could be quite a dramatic development in relations between Russia and NATO,” RIA Novosti quoted Rogozin as saying.

The Russian envoy highlighted that ‘under no circumstances’ should NATO get involved in politics and that “It must remain neutral.”

Nato is breaking its agreed mandate siding yet again with the KLA government not allowing Serb officials to visit a region of its own country where hundreds of ethnic Serbs live.

Of course we dont know the full transcript of his address to NATO or even if the statements are accurate translation like the phoney “Isreal should be wiped of the map” remark.

I think your reading to much Edward Lucus.

I think your political viewpoint scews your perspective I can see your probably left wing and things like Jewish domination of media, government and political financing dont effect policy making in places like Iraq. What country are you from?
149 Comment by Mihajlo on 24 February 2008:

Kumbaya scores 99% in my book. Too simplistic, over-generalising? Maybe. Maybe not.

A few Q&A of my own:

Russia: Blowing smoke. Best I can hope for is Russians getting the upper hand in UN Security Council and dispatching a few thousand border guards with UN blessing, effectively sealing the fate of North Kosovo as part of Serbia. Let’s see how US/EU deals with their hands full of Albanian mafia and 50% of permanent unemployment.

Dr. Trifkovic: Kumbaya, you do of course know that some level of political correctness is required in order to make oneself heard? I am sure that Dr. Trifkovic does what he has to do. Then again, if the radical Muslims had anything to do with your family tree in the last 20 years, I’m sure you’d understand better. With Greeks, Serbs and Bulgarians, the genuine fear of Islam-rule has become pretty much genetic after what we experienced in the last, well, more than 600 years.
150 Comment by simo on 24 February 2008:

There is entirely too much Muslim bashing on this blog. The fact that the Albanians are for the most part Muslim is incidental, from a Serbian perspective. If they were Buddhists, they would still be a problem for Serbia. Obviously, from an American and therefore an Israeli perspective it is very relevant, for reasons that I have already cited in previous posts.

The Israelis in particular are doing their damndest to bring about a civilizational clash between Islam and Christianity, and too many Christians are falling for it, especially Christian Serbs. If the Israelis have the entire Christian world on their side, it would be easier for them to create the Greater Israel as indicated in the Bible, which is their ultimate territorial goal.

That is not to say there are not radical Muslims. There are. And they should be dealt with accordingly.
151 Comment by Kumbaya on 24 February 2008:

Mihajlo: Kumbaya not see Vlad “blowing smoke” type.

Fact Check: No UN “blessing” needed. Res. 1244 gives Serbs right to bring in troops.

Q: What is mood of Russian public?
A: Overwhelming desire for confrontation with West.

Kumbaya Observation: Russian Leader won’t disappoint people.

Serb Eggheads: Kumbaya only wants to keep it real.

Muhamedan nonsense mostly white noise. Not helpful. Hurt Serb image, tradition of tolerance.
152 Comment by james on 24 February 2008:

@151Kumbaya

Q: What is mood of Russian public?
A: Overwhelming desire for confrontation with West.

What exactly are you basing that on? Is that just your opinion or are you quoting from a reliable, independent opinion poll?

Its western public opinion that is overwhelmingly confrontational with Russia not the other way around.
You seem hell bent on making Russia the enemy.

You didn’t answer my question from before what country are you from?

@150simo

Am sure the fact they are Muslim explains why there burning down churches and sex trafficing in white christian european girls and why there recieving terror financing from the Middle East.
153 Comment by Kumbaya on 25 February 2008:

Human Facts

Q: What is War of Civilizations?
A: Fiction invented by Ruling Elites to control unwashed masses (own population).

Q: How: Same as Racism in previous generations. By channeling anger of masses against fictitious bogeyman.

Q: Why?
A: So masses never wake up to simple truth. Problem is Ruling Elites, which keep masses in misery. Not fictitious bogeymen.

Result: Divide and conquer. White rabble use up all energy hating blacks. Black rabble use up all energy fighting white hatred. Never realize who is real enemy. Ruling Elites sit back enjoy domestic peace and tranquility while black and white beasts of burden toil in shops and fields for basic subsistence.

Q: Why War of Civilizations Now?
A: Racism getting old and tired. Need fresh bogeyman (towelheads).

Q: How long Ruling Elites in Control?
A: Since dawn of recorded history. Maybe longer.

Moral of Story: Do not be fooled. Use own head to think clearly.
154 Comment by Zika on 25 February 2008:

Perhaps, Njegos said it the best in 1847, regarding than Turkish brutality and vandalism and continual harrassments onto the Serb’s population: “…The blood of men is monstrous nourishment,
“Already to the nose it choketh up;
“O’erfull the measure of your sins! …”

The history is repeated in 2008!!!
155 Comment by Zika on 25 February 2008:

“… What good is empire to inhuman men,
Except to spread them shame thro’ all the world!…”, Njegos said in 1847.

How true and how said !!!
156 Comment by Allen Wilson on 25 February 2008:

I disagree with Kumbaya only on the claim that Islam is not a problem, either for Serbia or the West as a whole. On the other hand, there is validity in the ‘bogeyman’ argument he has set forth. It’s not the first time that tactic has been used, as Kumbaya says. Also, clearly the Evil Empire has used the Muslims in the Balkans as proxies, creating a problem of Muslim expansionism that didn’t exist as it does now, as it has created other such problems elsewhere.

Kumbaya also seems to misunderstand the issue of ‘racism’ in America and Western Europe, yet here again, he is right about the ‘divide and conquer’ strategy of the elites.

I dont know what the mood of the Russian people is, but I suspect that they are wanting a confrontation with the west after what has been done to Russia from the early 90’s until now. On the other hand, I dont see people in the west rearing for a showdown with Russia. Anyone who says Americans want that is definitely out of touch. I know no one in America who still hates Russians like they did during the cold war. Older people understand that the old cold war is history, and younger people weren’t raised to hate Russia at all. I haven’t heard anyone amongst the common people say anything hateful about Russians in years.

I think many also wonder why we are supporting a Muslim takeover in Kosovo when we are supposedly fighting terrorism elsewhere. It makes as little sense to most people as the very unpopular Iraq war itself, which they can see is not being waged against terrorism, or the Bush-Neocon claim that Islam is a ‘religion of peace’, when terrorist activity seems to contradict that statement so completely.

In the end, most Americans have long since concluded that American foreign policy is completely nonsensical, like a modernist painting that claims to be art but aint.

If America has to confront Russia militarily in Kosovo and Serbia, Americans will see this as just another stupid war we have no business being involved in, regardless of who’s right or who’s wrong. They want no major confrontation with Russia, whom they would rather be friends with, not enemies. The Iraq war has eaten up what little support for foreign meddling was left among the people. They want no more foreign wars. They’re getting increasingly fed up, while Neocon fools try to act as if it’s still 1962 and there’s a Cuban missile crisis still going on.

The neocon trotskyites must be removed from power and influence and their mindset crushed into the trash can of history along with all the other trash, like communism, Lincolnite Americanism, and big-corporation capitalism.

By the way, thank you Goran for your response to my questions.
157 Comment by james on 25 February 2008:

Kumbaya what country are you from?
158 Comment by james on 25 February 2008:

@156Allen Wilson

The same American university that invited the Iran president to speak also had a debate is Russia the enemy and the mjority voted yes. Same type of debates are going on across Europe and the western media for years is extremley anti-Russian.
New books are being released about the new cold war and senoir politicains like McCain and Obamas adviser like Zbignew Brezinski are very anti-Russian. Remember McCain wants Russia kicked out of the G8 and he’s likely to win the Republican presidental nomination.

If you think Russia wants a confrontation then you’ve been reading to much printed press and watching to much news like Fox, MSNBC, CNN, etc.
159 Comment by michael warning on 25 February 2008:

Mr Wilson you wrote:“I think many also wonder why we are supporting a Muslim takeover in Kosovo when we are supposedly fighting terrorism elsewhere.”

It is not a “take over” There was no invasion. The Kovosars took a vote and won independence. They are no longer to subject to the Serbs. What is so hard to understand?

Muslims claim a right to govern themselves as they see fit:
“That Muslims determine their own form of temporal government for themselves (within the parameters of the maqasid or ‘goals’ of the Shari’ah) and that this may include modern democracy.”

Its called democracy. Do you not like the outcome? Too Bad. So throw a few rocks along with drunken Serbian thugs to get your point across.

You lost the argument. The USA does not listen to the likes of you. So now you appeal to the use of force by the Serbs and Russians and then blame it all on the USA.

Truly pathetic. Its democracy get use to it.

oh yeah and how many Serbs fought along side American Troops in Iraq?? Zero.
160 Comment by BKH2007 on 25 February 2008:

Serge, and everyone else, might be interested in this:

http://starbulletin.com/2008/02/24/editorial/commentary2.html
161 Comment by Mihajlo on 25 February 2008:

@159 michael warning:
Current popular interpretation of Democracy is somewhat different from the Greek original, but whichever definition you choose, it still does not make you right.

Luckily, the only interpretation that matters is the legal one; based on the state constitution, where Democracy is generally defined as the majority decision (majority % does vary often, depending on the specifics of the vote) of the “qualified” segment of the “people”, where both the “people” and “qualification” are precluded by legal age, legal status, citizenship status, and some other conditions that would be dependant on the local specifics, again, firmly rooted in the state constitution.

I am sure that those not deafened by the loudness of their own “arguments” will find enough to ponder about in the above, so I’ll leave it at that.

But, for your sake: No, “it” is not called democracy. It could, however, be called a “mob rule”, “occupation”, “rule of force” – feel free to take a pick.
Just as well, the medical definition of the “newborn” organism of the foreign genome, born within another (host) living organism is called a CANCER, or, at best, a nasty infection.

Yes, words have certain meanings already; you can not just redefine them and (ab)use them any way you feel like!
Actually… since the whole US foreign policy has been based on this perverted principle for a very long time already; why would you, or the Kosovo “government”, the loyal subjects, think or act any differently?

In conclusion:
Serbian democratic constitution has been ratified by EU as fully compliant with European standards, and it is actually nearly identical to the constitution of any other EU state. All acts of the Serbian government and people are well within the constitution. Sending the military to protect the only internationally recognised borders of Serbia would be fully in accordance with constitution and international law. As a matter of fact, UN Security Council has the obligation to protect the sovereignty of the member states.

But, UN has this magnificent building in the wrong spot, and not just geographically…
162 Comment by Srdja Trifkovic on 25 February 2008:

Ah, “Muslim democracy” — Kosovo style – a bit like Christian Democracy of yore, only dressed in green!

Alas, the continuing quest for the democratic transformation of the Muslim world is unattainable in practice and counter-productive in principle. Even if “exporting democracy” could be developed into a workable scenario, the end result would be detrimental to U.S. security.

GWB’s view that Muslims should enjoy democracy as “it should be clear to all that Islam – the faith of one-fifth of humanity – is consistent with democratic rule” contains an error and a fallacy. The fallacy first: the fact that “one-fifth of humanity” believes in something does not imply any positive property of that something.

The assertion about Islam’s compatibility with democratic rule is either rooted in ignorance or else inane. “Democracy” is not feasible outside of the framework of ideas that sustain it. These ideas, in the case of the West, are rooted back into the history of the polis of Greece, the Scriptures, the heresy of the Enlightenment, the notion of liberty, of individual responsibility resulting from the existence of individual free will, of collective creativity embodied in the rendering of classical symphonies and the launching of space missions.

The reason traditionally Christian societies have been able to develop democratic institutions while traditionally Muslim ones have not is the Christian concept of governmental legitimacy, which accepts the possibility of two realms. Christ Himself recognized the realm of human government as legitimate when he said, “Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.”

In Islam there is no such distinction. It condemns as rebellion against Allah’s supremacy the submission to any other form of law other than Shari’a. It is noteworthy that the term “democracy” did not have an equivalent in any Muslim language until a century ago. Its fundamental principle, legal equality of citizens, is equally absent from the Muslim vocabulary.
163 Comment by Kumbaya on 25 February 2008:

Interesting Question

Q: Is Islam Problem?
A: Not in West. Radical Islam big problem in Islamic World.

Case in Point: Pakistan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Algeria all hosting mini-civil wars.

Q: Why?
A: Islamist Radicals not happy with own governments being stooges to West. Desire overthrow.

Q: What is Problem for West?
A: West Lose big Chunk Global Empire if Muslim Client States Sacked.

Q: What is Solution?
A: War of Civilizations (wink, nudge).

Q: Who is winking, nudging?
A: Bushes, Bin Ladens, rest of Empire and Muslim Elites — One Big Happy Family singing Kumbaya.

Q: Who is Believing Fairy Tales at Face Value?
A: Kumbaya think you know answer.

Kumbaya Observation: Not first time people No Clue real reason for war.

Case in Point: Great War aka ww1. Started by Germans to expand Empire, no? Good guys in White Hats Defend Civilization.

Interesting Small Facts: All industrial countries one small step away from revolution. Industrial exploitation cause big social unrest, masses organize into unions — socialist movement marching — Big Footsteps.

Ruling Elites (All Sides) Ponder: What is Solution? What can we do with all those young men with pitchforks and torches about to burn us out of our mansions?

Standard Answer: War. Ruling Elites throughout history plunge nation into war, hunger, pestilence to stay in power.

Interesting Vignette: While German, British, French, Russian, American boys dying by million in mudholes, American Vanderbilts, Rockefellers, partying with German Junkers aristocrats aboard luxury ocean liners. Just like Bushes and Bin Ladens on private jets. Good Times.

Result: War kill potential revolution. Beat down spirit of people (all sides). Rockefellers and Junkers continue Good Life. Exchange postcards from happy times during war.

Only One Big Dog Fall to Revolution. But Ruling Elites not concede defeat yet. Struggle will continue until no opposition anywhere.

Democracy?

Kumbaya Laugh. Not realize this channel Comedy Network.
164 Comment by michael warning on 25 February 2008:

Mihajlo you wrote:
“Current popular interpretation of Democracy is somewhat different from the Greek original, but whichever definition you choose, it still does not make you right.”

Can we take a vote on that?

“What is democracy? We all know that democracy is government by the people.” Vladimir Putin February 14, 2008
Kosovo is now governed by the people of Kosovo. Therefore Kosovo is a democracy, using the definition of democracy by the President of Russia.

I really do hate hypocrisy.

Mihajlo you wrote:
“I am sure that those not deafened by the loudness of their own “arguments” will find enough to ponder about in the above, so I’ll leave it at that.”

Burning down the US Embassy is one loud argument.

Mihajlo you wrote:
“But, for your sake: No, “it” is not called democracy. It could, however, be called a “mob rule”, “occupation”, “rule of force” – feel free to take a pick.”

Rule of force is what most of you are clamoring for, all because you did not like the results of a democratically elected outcome & mob rule is what took place last week in Belgrade all under the watchful eye of the Serb government.

Mihajlo you wrote:
“Just as well, the medical definition of the “newborn” organism of the foreign genome, born within another (host) living organism is called a CANCER, or, at best, a nasty infection.”

That’s why the surgeons Dr. UN & Dr. USA cut off the CANCER from the patient’s “body”.

Why o why would the patient hate the doctors who performed such a needed surgery? Read the above quotes from the Pro-Serbs. Do any of them have anything good to say about the citizens of Kosovo? No. Kosovo is a nasty infection. You pro-Serbs should thank your democratic doctors for saving your lives..
I really do hate hypocrisy.

Mihajlo you wrote:
“Serbian democratic constitution has been ratified by EU as fully compliant with European standards, and it is actually nearly identical to the constitution of any other EU state. All acts of the Serbian government and people are well within the constitution. Sending the military to protect the only internationally recognised borders of Serbia would be fully in accordance with constitution and international law. As a matter of fact, UN Security Council has the obligation to protect the sovereignty of the member states.
But, UN has this magnificent building in the wrong spot, and not just geographically”…

Bite the hand that feeds you….you look to the UN to justify the Serbian constitution. But when the UN helps your neighbor to do the same and you Serbs declare war on the UN, and refuse to listen to the UN now. Either the UN was wrong then or it is wrong now, which is it? I really do hate hypocrisy. What spoiled brats.
165 Comment by Kumbaya on 25 February 2008:

Kumbaya Declare: Enough Chicken Cackling About “Democracy!”

Q: What is overwhelming will of American people Re Iraq War?
A: Three in four want troops home NOW.

Simple observation: “Democratic” president refuse.

Lecture People: “Democracy” is not “Popularity Contest.”

Easy Question: Where is Democracy?
Obvious Answer: Not in America. Not in West.

Simple Fact: People in West have less control over own lives than any society in history. Period.

HUMANITY NEVER SO ENSLAVED!

Proof: Don’t pay tax. See what happens.

Don’t pay mortgage. See What Happens.

Don’t Pay Insurance. See What Happens.

Now You In Control Cowboy. Yee-Haw.

Let Kumbabya Fill You In: You simply Hamster on Treadwheel.

Your sweat is all that is of value, Mr. Consumer.

You trade own sweat for exsistence of Quiet Desperation.

Trade terms not up to you. You cannot refuse this offer.

Enjoy Democracy. Maybe whipped topping on side?
166 Comment by Michael Warning on 25 February 2008:

Dr Srdja Trifkovic you are funny.

“The assertion about Islam’s compatibility with democratic rule is either rooted in ignorance or else inane. “Democracy” is not feasible outside of the framework of ideas that sustain it.”

The assertion that Roman Catholicsm is compatibility with democratic rule is either rooted in ignorance or else inane. But you See Dr that is the whole point of what I have been posting here. My points you keep on deleting. Please be fair. Read your own arguments:

“The reason traditionally Christian societies have been able to develop democratic institutions while traditionally Muslim ones have not is the Christian concept of governmental legitimacy, which accepts the possibility of two realms. . Christ Himself recognized the realm of human government as legitimate when he said, “Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.”

Oh, my my my… Dr Srdja Trifkovic you should know better than that. Caesar, as every one knows is the Roman Emperor. Jesus Christ submitted himself to the Authority of the Pagan Roman Emperor at His Birth and at His Death. So did St Paul and the other Apostles. These men gave the example to All Christians to be obedient to the Roman Emperor. St Paul himself declared in Romans 13 that this form of Government is Divinely Ordained. All other forms of Government are merely permitted and tolerated by the Blessed Trinity.

That is why the Church has always taught the doctrine of two realms governing the world The Royal – The Roman Empire and the Sacred- the Holy Roman Church. These two luminaries are the lights that guide mankind for the better.

But you see Doctor one of these lights has been extinguished by modern man. Now the whole world is democratic and would rather fumble its way in complete darkness than to ever admit that the major political powers on 11/11/1918 committed a mistake by destroying the Austrian Hungarian Empire.

Now you along with the rest of the world deserve the bitter fruits on this crime of 11/11/1918.
167 Comment by simo on 25 February 2008:

To James #152

In regard to the last paragraph of your post, let me say this. The burning and destruction of Serbian Orthodox churches and other religious sites may not necessarily be an indication of religious hatred, although that is certainly a strong possibility.

Another possibility is that it was motivated by ethnic hatred. In other words they wanted to destroy these religious sites because they belonged to the Serbs. Or it may be a combination of these 2 factors. It is not really clear whether it was religious or ethnic.

As for sexual conduct, the Albanian Muslims cannot be devout believers if they sponsor prostitution and other forms premarital or extramarital sex. Islamic law is very clear on these issues. Anyone engaging in premarital sex would receive 100 lashes with the whip. Anyone engaging in extramarital sex would be stoned to death. Promoters of prostitution would be killed.

These Albanian Muslims obviously are very secular and not devout by any stretch of the imagination.
168 Comment by Allen Wilson on 25 February 2008:

Kumbaya has hit it right on the head @165. We all live lives like that here. It’s how I live. Anyone who refuses to admit to it is is self-deceived, a liar, or part of the wealthiest elite classes, most of whom are not really that happy themselves. Look at the wrecked lives of the stars.

That there is something clearly wrong with American life as it is today, and with the whole social-economic system, cannot be denied by any sensible person, though I’m sure the hateful and arrogant Mr Warning will disagree just because he can, and then try to lecture me about America’s wonderful ‘free speech’ – ‘I’m bashing you online about some pointless nitpicking thing, thereful we should cherish our free speech in this great country, it’s called ‘democracy’, get used to it!!!!!!’ He must not be a very happy person himself, or else he would not be so hateful, arrogant, self-righteous, condescending, and insulting. Fulfilled people, I am told, who live fulfilled lives beacuse they are not Americans, and therefore must live back in the middle ages or ancient Egypt or Rome where the socio-economic system is more conducive to personal and collective happiness and fulfilment, dont do these sorts of things.

The American founders considered democracy to be Satan’s government. As for democracy in Kosovo, it’s a sham, but even if it’s not, that’s immaterial.

Now for something more serious: James @158, I dont doubt what you wrote, but what you describe sems more like establishment propaganda organs at work than it does the sentiment of the people. Among the common folk, it’s not the case as far as I can tell. Of course that may change if the drums of war start sounding.
169 Comment by Vissarion Dzugashvili on 25 February 2008:

@ Michael Warning, #166…

… and from your prior postings on this site and on Takimag:

It seems to me you have established yourself a new religion. Roman Caesar (which one?) is the father, Archduke Franz Ferdinand is the martyred son, and Austria-Hungary is the spirit. You must be the head apostle.

Sorry if I got the persons mixed up; your scripture isn’t very coherent. Perhaps you would like to enlighten the readers of this site?
170 Comment by Kumbaya on 25 February 2008:

Allen Wilson: “That there is something clearly wrong with American life as it is today, and with the whole social-economic system, cannot be denied by any sensible person…”

Kumbaya: Amen
171 Comment by Bill Temple on 25 February 2008:

Allen Wilson: “That there is something clearly wrong with American life as it is today, and with the whole social-economic system, cannot be denied by any sensible person…”

Kumbaya: Amen
________________

I agree # 171 – Amen.

you see once we’re no longer a barter society and complexity requires the symbol-Fact of ‘money’ …

it can go wrong.

Once no longer barter society of necessity which is ok, then – money isn’t everything it is almost everything. Yes it’s ok it is almost everything.

TODAY in U.S. the “culture” gone wrong is that money IS everything.

NO – very important distinction – it’s only almost everything, NOT Everything.

Very important.

Amen.
_____

p.s. I got it from the source – my-Self. i don’t know but my-Self knows.
172 Comment by Srdja Trifkovic on 25 February 2008:

For those ignorant of history: the Holy Roman Empire (HRE, which BTW had been “neither, holy, nor Roman, nor an Empire”) did NOT end with the disintegration of the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy in November 1918. It happened more than 112 years earlier, in August 1806, when Austrian Emperor Franz II finally laid down the HRE crown for ever.
173 Comment by Kumbaya on 26 February 2008:

Democracy Crowning Achievement: Convince Huddled Masses in Little Pink Houses How Great They Have It.

Always in Back of Mind: One Doctor Visit Away from Bankruptcy.

One Pink Slip Away from Sleeping Bag on Subway Grate.

Kumbaya Question: Can such oppresive uncertainty, instability be considered Human Existence?

Kumbaya Observation: Serb People Dummest in History.

Why? Clamoring for EU Chains Slipped on Hands and Feet.

Material Desires: Nirvana Reached Behind Wheel of Audi — Fica not good enough.

Kumbaya Advice: Listen Thoreau. All Luxuries, Most Comforts, only ENCUMBRANCES.

Far better to drive donkey cart in freedom than Mercedes IN DEBT TO COMPANY STORE.

Too bad only Find Out Later After Freedom GONE.

CONCLUSION: ZERO FULFILLMENT IN RELIGION OF DEMOCRACY.

EMPTY LIVES WASTED. HUSKS OF EXISTENCE BLOW IN WIND.
174 Comment by Kumbaya on 26 February 2008:

Absurd Nonsense: Christian and Islam “Compatibility” with “Democracy.”

Fact: Bible and Quran BOTH Ancient Wisdom to Help Humanity achieve Coherence, Meaning.

“Democracy:” Satanic Toxin Conceived to Corrode Human Spirit from Inside.

Proof: Sick Condition of Humanity Circa 2008.

Case in Point: Quran, Bible BOTH condemn USURY.

Bible Command: Lender NOT Charge Interest. Forgive Debts Outright Jubilee Year (every 50 years).

Think About Why: Usury Seed of Destruction For All.

Lender: Insurmountable Advantage over Borrower.

Inevitable Result: All Power Concentrated in Hands of Few Lenders. All Borrowers ENSLAVED.

Simple Fact: “Deomocracy” Built on FOUNDATION OF USURY.

Kumbaya Ask: What Can Be Possible Result?
175 Comment by Goran on 26 February 2008:

“We have in Serbia a situation in which the U.S. has forced an action –the proclamation of independence by the Kosovo Albanians — that is in clear violation of the most fundamental principles of international law after World War II,” argues Robert Hayden, Director of the Center for Russian and East European Studies at the University of Pittsburgh. “Borders cannot be changed by force and without consent — that principle was actually the main stated reason for the 1991 U.S. attack on Iraq.”

This says it all.

For once, Serbs have an overwhelming support of the academics all over the world!
176 Comment by Kumbaya on 26 February 2008:

Kosovo

Mushroom Clouds: Kumbaya not the only “Fart Smella” see Armageddon on Horizon.

http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts02252008.html
177 Comment by Kumbaya on 26 February 2008:

Kumbaya Question For Goran: How Many Wars Have “Academics” Won?
178 Comment by Kumbaya on 26 February 2008:

Real Heroes

News Dispatch: “Aggressive” Serb protesters injure 10 Kosovo “Police.”

http://wiredispatch.com/news/?id=59261

How: Pelting Stones, Bottles.

Protesters Come Ready: Bring Truckloads Rocks, Firefighters, Ambulances.

Protester Identities: Believed Military Reservists from Serbia

Kumbaya Salute. Urge All Ablebodied Serbs to Join.
179 Comment by Kumbaya on 26 February 2008:

Correction: Later Dispatch puts number of injured Kosovo “Police” at 19 — one seriously.

Kumbaya not need Tea Leaves to see Big Trouble Coming.

Right Now: One “Incident” away from armed Russian-Serb intervention.
180 Comment by Allen Wilson on 26 February 2008:

I fear that Kumbaya is right.

It only stands now to wonder, will Bush’s insanity outrule his cowardice, causing him to take Russia on?

If confrontation comes after the U.S. election, and McCain wins, certainly McCain will go to war over this tiny piece of land of no interest to the American people, who’s sons (and shamefully, daughters) will be killing and dying over there for nothing, at least, nothing but evil narcoterrorism, militant islam, and the war of the elite class to force suicide on the western world.

I only hope – we must all hope – the Serbs and Russians come in in great, overwhelming force, in a blitzkreig, before American or NATO forces can respond, and win so decisively, so quickly, that the U.S. will have to back down. Then, if Bush or the new president begin to clamour for war or make preparations for invasion, there will be enough outcry from the American people, and enough organised opposition domestically, that they will have to back down.

Any silly neocon here can cry ‘traitor’ if they want to, but I love my own people enough to speak out before they are sacrificed for evil ends, and the neocon elitists dont, so to hell with them.

YOU NEOCONS ARE ALL TRAITORS TO YOUR OWN PEOPLE!
181 Comment by Allen Wilson on 26 February 2008:

By the way, the humiliation that such a forced backing-down will cause is just what is needed to destroy the hubris of this country’s elites, before a real catastrophe caused by them does it, perthaps fatally to the country and it’s people.
182 Comment by james on 26 February 2008:

@180Allen Wilson

YOU NEOCONS ARE ALL TRAITORS TO YOUR OWN PEOPLE!

There not because the majority of Jewish organisations were supportive of Albanian invasion of Kosovo. The kosovo PM months ago even visited Isreal.
183 Comment by Boba on 26 February 2008:

February 26, 2008

The Guardian
Letter to the Editor

Dear Editor:

I write with contempt about, Is Kosovo Serbian? We Ask an Historian by Noel Malcolm. As the author of the 1992 book, Kosovo, the first book published in the U.S. on this region of the world by 7 Balkan historians exposes this article as nothing more than further demonization of millions of Serbs who cherish Kosovo as their Jerusalem. Malcolm cleverly ignores the more than 1,500 Serbian churches and monasteries built in this area since the 12th century. Immorally he ignores church ruins that date to the 10th century. Arrogantly he conceals the fact that the first Islamic mosque was not built in Kosovo until 150 years after the battle of Kosovo in 1389, because these facts betray his rabid Serbophobia.

The ugliest form of racism is to demean an ethnic group’s religion, history or culture. This has not stopped Malcolm from revealing his closeted bigotry. He manipulates his access to the media knowing full well that most readers and editors are ignorant of Balkan history. People of Malcolm’s ilk have found it easy to paint Serbs with collective guilt by demeaning them in this alleged “historical” context. What we see at play here is the Goebbles concept of “Tell a lie a hundred times and it becomes the truth.”

Kosovo independence is not about history, it is about equal human rights, and the absurd violation of UN Resolution 1244, the amputation of sovereign territory and in the process the violation of the UN Charter, the Helsinki Final Act, and the Geneva Conventions. Malcolm admits to your readers that “…the Serbs ruled Kosovo for 250 years,” but omits the fact that when The Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes was formed in 1918 the Albanians represented less than 5% of the population—a fact that is historically documented. Saying that the Serbs were “25%” is historical revisionism but taken at his word why has Malcolm looked the other way as Serbs have been reduced to less than 3% in Kosovo over the last decade? The real Serbian Genocide by Albanian Nazis in WWII that liquidated tens of thousands of Serbs or the Genocide that is taking place in Kosovo today is never included in Malcolm’s lunatic version of history, not shared by most respected historians.

Malcolm ignores the cleansing of 185,000 Serbs in 1690, the 170,000 forced to flee in 1739 or the 150,000 that were forced out of Kosovo after the Congress of Berlin in 1878, when Serbia was internationally recognized as a nation, or the more than 100,000 Serbs forced to flee after Tito granted “Autonomy” in 1974. Malcolm also ignores the more than 300,000 Serbs cleansed in the past 9 years. No reference is made to the fact that 40% of the Albanians in Kosovo are illegal aliens who cross the border into Serbia as easily as Mexicans cross our border each night in San Diego, California.

Equally disgraceful, the Guardian grants little to no access to your pages to any Serbian historian or journalists to give opposing views. This is hardly freedom of the press, the press is being used in this case to bludgeon Serbia’s cultural aspirations.

William Dorich

The writer is the author of 5 books on Balkan history.
184 Comment by Goran on 26 February 2008:

Yes. Mr. Dorich is right. I read that article by the Goebbels Malcolm today. I was horrified by the constant British tendency to ignorance, stupidity and onesidedness.

Dont fret Mr. Dorich. If Goebbels was right, he would not have ended in the way he did.
185 Comment by Michael Warning on 26 February 2008:

Dr. Srdja Trifkovic you wrote:

For those ignorant of history: the Holy Roman Empire (HRE, which BTW had been “neither, holy, nor Roman, nor an Empire”) did NOT end with the disintegration of the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy in November 1918. It happened more than 112 years earlier, in August 1806, when Austrian Emperor Franz II finally laid down the HRE crown for ever.”

neither, holy, nor Roman, nor an Empire yes, nice, from the “holy” Voltaire.

The U.S.S.R. did not lose its seat and authority on the United Nations Security Council when it became the Russian Federation. Neither did the authority of Holy Roman Emperor Francis II lose his authority when signing the treaty of Pressburg in 1805 making him the first emperor of Austria as Francis I. No one man, including Napoleon can dissolve or annihilate the Holy Roman Empire. You can not do this with a treaty, nor with a bullet. But men try. When they do achieve some semblance of success in destroying the authority of the Holy Roman Emperor then it can be can be said to be in abeyance. In life of Dante, the authority of the Roman Emperor was in a 50 year abeyance. Today the authority has been in a 100 year abeyance.

The authority and office of the Roman Emperor still remained with the Austrian-Hungarian Emperor and the Church has always acknowledged this fact. You can see is in the Mass prayers for the Roman Emperor. The Holy Roman Catholic Church always acknowledged the House of Hapsburg as retaining the authority of the holy Roman Emperor. It is reflected in the Mass prayers for the Roman Emperor which were removed in 1955 not in 1805. Simple fact the Church always prayed for the Holy Roman Emperor until 1955.

The seven Imperial electors still retain their authority to elect the next Holy Roman Emperor. Little known fact that most of you neglect. Roman Catholics just need to ask these seven Imperial electors to do their civic duty to elect the next Holy Roman Emperor.
186 Comment by Allen Wilson on 26 February 2008:

Mr Warning may be describing a proper procedure for electing an emperor, nevertheless, the empire ended in 1806, as Trifkovic has stated, and the Austro-Hungarian monarchy was not a continuation of the old Holy Roman empire, regardless of whether the Austro-Hungarian monarchs retained the rights to the crown of the Hioly Roman Empire or whether certain ceremonial practices were preserved until 1955. Certainly, the heirs of the electors still hold the rights of election, but do they still hold their realms within the empire?

We may say the Southern Confederacy still exists as an independent nation in a de jure, legal sense, but that doesn’t make the South rise again. It will take much more than de jure existence, just as rights to a crown and rights of election dont an empire make, any more than the heir of the Byzantine throne’s crown rights having willed those rights to Ferdinand and Isabella of Spain upon his death restored the East Roman empire. A Spanish invasion of Greece and Anatolia, on the other hand, could have done the job.

It would take a breakdown of modern notions of nation state and a revival of Christianity, among many other things, before the Holy Roman empire could ever begin to be restored.
187 Comment by Goran on 27 February 2008:

Kumbaya, here is finally answer to your question whether academics can win wars.

As I said before, law is 100% on Serbia’s side. It has been announced today that Serbia will go before the International Court of Justice and sue all states which had recognized Kosovo in contravention of international law. Lawsuits will go into internal courts of those states as well.

Now, I ‘ve already told you that support of academics that Serbia enjoys at the moment is unprecedented. That is important.

We shall win this time, believe me. We will! With justice, heart and God on our side. God is with Serbia now!
188 Comment by Goran on 27 February 2008:

I wish to be one of the first to contribute to Serbia’s forthcoming legal wars. Slobodan Milosevic was imprisoned and tried at the ICTY for nearly five years. He fought hard and his efforts cannot be neglected. To set the record straight, here is the ICTY transcript (pages 2225-2227) from the Milosevic trial concerning the victims of Kosovo war. Please note: this is not press, this is proof in law. When reading, bear in mind that the NATO bombardment was under way and that the Serbian forces fought the KLA on the ground.

Part of cross examination of ICTY “expert” Patrick Ball by Slobodan Milosevic on 14 March 2002 concerning the number of victims in Kosovo.

Q. All right. But there is a difference, a big difference, between your estimates and what you have as facts, because on page 5, it says the estimated number of killings obtained by statistical analysis is 10.356, with an error margin of 9.002 to 12.122. And on page 17, the table of exhumed bodies is a total of 4.211, a total of 4.211, and identified
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bodies are 45.4 per cent. Identified Albanian victims actually amounted to 1.912, so that is 45 per cent of 4.211. And all analyses consistently apply the invented figure of 10.356. Can you explain that?

A. Ten thousand, three hundred fifty-six is not an invented figure; it’s an estimated figure. The estimate is based on sound and well-known statistical principles that are in wide use throughout the world and have been subjected to both rigorous preparation and review.

Q. Have you finished your explanation?

A. Yes.

Q. Is it correct that the total you have of identified Albanian victims, those you can identify as Albanian, that you have certified figures only amounting to 1.912?

A. No, that is not correct. The number is 4.400. Those are the victims we can identify by name.

Q. And what about the difference between 4.400 and 10.356? What is in between the two? And quite a bit of scope is provided there. What about that, in relation to what you say you have identified?

A. As I suggested in my previous answer, the estimate of 10.356 is made by well-known scientific methods which have been used in a wide variety of statistical contexts throughout the world. The techniques are explained in significant detail in Appendix 2.

Q. Well, now I understand this a bit more, and I hope those who have been following this too as well, why this statistical research of yours can only be used for educational purposes and for the purpose of providing information, not for the purposes for which it has been used.
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JUDGE MAY: It’s suggested that you can’t use it as evidence. What’s your answer to that?

THE WITNESS: I’m afraid, because I’m not lawyer, I don’t know in this kind of level.

(end of transcript)

Remember the NATO Jamie Shea’s outrageous press conferences at the time? Tony Blair’s statements of “100,000 Albanians dead or missing”? And…if the Serbs are that bad, how come there is now 90% of Albanians and 10% of Serbs in Kosovo?
189 Comment by Kumbaya on 28 February 2008:

World Court? Kumbaya Laugh.

Serbs: Shortest memory possible. Not remember World Court REFUSE to hear case Illegal Nato War Against Serbia.

Now Think: Same Imperialist Puppet “Court” will bite Master’s Hand? For Serbia?

Kumbaya Advice To DELUSIONAL SERBS: Gather Rocks. Go to Kosovo. Bash Heads Imperial Guard.

ONLY PATH TO FREEDOM!

FREEDOM ALWAYS COST BLOOD.
190 Comment by Kumbaya on 28 February 2008:

Kumbaya Reccomend All “Serbs” Read And Think:

http://www.antiwar.com/lind/?articleid=12430

“Washington and Brussels scoff at the thought, but Russia and Serbia certainly have military options…”
191 Comment by Goran on 28 February 2008:

Kumbaya, World Court did not hear the case of illegal NATO aggression only due to procedural reasons. The Court claimed that “FRY was not a member of the UN” at the time (1999). There is no such procedural obstacle this time around.

Leave wars and rumours of wars to someone else.
192 Comment by XX on 28 February 2008:

Kumbaya,
freedam DOES NOT mean: cost blood
-I WW Serbia started,and came out w 1/3 less population/50%less male/
-II Ww Serbia said:No/March 27th/and Belgrade was bombed,enemy made :comunist and chetniks/they were killing each others/almost 2 mil people and as a “Winer”
west forst Serbia to live w fashist:croats,muslims,albanius..in Yugoslavia and for
President they made sure it will be Their horse again:tito.

Serbia have to stick to the Law and continue negotiation,cut all diplomaticy w countrys who are pushing Serbia,last 20 yrs,to pull the triger as they did in I and II WW.
I think that Serbia has to show that they learned something,on their skin,from I and II WW
193 Comment by J. on 28 February 2008:

From “A long road from Kosovo to Kurdistan” by Pepe Escobar (Feb 28, ‘08):

“… The unilateral independence of Kosovo has nothing to do with “democracy”. But then what’s the point of this North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) provocation towards Vladimir Putin’s Russia – a historic ally of Serbia?

The ongoing saga revolves around two crucial, interrelated facts on the ground: Pipelineistan and the empire of 737 (and counting) US military bases in 130 countries operated by 350,000-plus Americans. In short: it revolves around the trans-Balkan AMBO pipeline and Camp Bondsteel in Kosovo, the largest US base built in Europe in a generation.

…”

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/JB29Ak02.html
194 Comment by michael warning on 28 February 2008:

Mr. Kumbaya you wrote:
“Kumbaya Advice To DELUSIONAL SERBS: Gather Rocks. Go to Kosovo. Bash Heads Imperial Guard.

ONLY PATH TO FREEDOM!

FREEDOM ALWAYS COST BLOOD.”

Cost money too.

Maybe it’s time for the US State Department to freeze Serbian Assets here in the USA. (to help pay for the damage done to the US Embassy and what not)

After all you Serbs are now threating to refuse to pay the $1.2 billion Kosovo debt. And as you should. You will no longer have any claims to Kosovo when you do.

Kumbaya what is your advice for those Serbs who still have Serbian held assets in the USA?

It’s cold out here, its freezing…..
195 Comment by michael warning on 28 February 2008:

Mr Goran you wrote:

“We shall win this time, believe me. We will! With justice, heart and God on our side. God is with Serbia now!”

Ok…..but with a couple of conditions:

“For if you turn again to the Lord: your brethren, and children shall find mercy before their masters, that have led them away captive, and they shall return into this land: for the Lord your God is merciful, and will not turn away his face from you, if you return to him.” 2 Paralipomenon 30

For the Serbs to return to the Lord your God is done by renouncing their errors on the Trinity, The Immaculate Conception & Infallibility of the Roman Pontiff and entering into the Holy Roman Catholic Church. But they won’t, therefore the Serbs shall not return into this land of Kosovo.
196 Comment by Allen Wilson on 28 February 2008:

What exactly, is this $1.2 billion ‘Kosovo’ bill you refer to Mr Warning? And how could repudiating such a debt ever be a renouncement of sovereign rights over territory rightly belonging to Serbia?
197 Comment by Michael Warning on 28 February 2008:

@ 196 Mr. Allen Wilson:

CVETKOVIC: REPAYING KOSOVO DEBT IN AGREEMENT WITH CREDITORS
BELGRADE, Feb. 27 (Beta) – Finance Minister Mirko Cvetkovic on Feb. 27 said Serbia should continue to pay off the Kosovo debt until a different agreement with foreign creditors was reached.
“The guarantor of the Kosovo debt to foreign creditors is the state of Serbia and the state has this obligation until a different agreement is reached with the creditors,” Cvetkovic told BETA.
If Serbia stopped repaying the Kosovo debt, Serbia’s rating would be damaged and interest rates would increase, Cvetkovic said. Also, Serbia could lose the trust of foreign financial institutions and risk future transactions with those institutions, he added.
On Feb. 26, Economy and Regional Development Minister Mladjan Dinkic said he would suggest to the government that Serbia stop repaying the Kosovo debt.
198 Comment by Michael Warning on 28 February 2008:

MR. CASEY: Mr. Lambros, Kosovo is a newly independent state. It has a sovereign government. Any relations between NATO and the Government of Kosovo will be worked out between them. Any decisions on NATO forces will be left to NATO. Any decisions on how those troops operate or are managed will be handled under the standing agreement. This is nothing new.

QUESTION: One more? The international famous Greek composer Mikis Theodorakis with statement characterized the so-called independence of Kosovo as treason without prior approval by the United Nations. Any comment on that?

MR. CASEY: Mr. Lambros, you know what? I somehow suspect for the next six or eight months or so, you’re going to come in here every day and you’re going to say some other prominent citizen somewhere in the world has said that they don’t like the fact that Kosovo is now an independent state. And they’re entitled to their opinion. We respect their opinion. But you know our policy, and we and the rest of the international community are moving ahead with it.

Daily Press Briefing
Tom Casey, Deputy Spokesman
Washington, DC
February 27, 2008
199 Comment by Allen Wilson on 28 February 2008:

Alright, now explain how repudiating such a debt, whether it is a just debt or not, is a renounciation of sovereign rights to Kosovo?

The west may do what it wants and bring on war with Serbia and Russia. Not wise.

If the west brazenly violates treaties and internal law to steal Kosovo away from Serbia, why should Serbia not repudiate the debt? Fair is fair. Then there is the fact that Russia will not care what Serbia’s credit rating in the west is, nor will a lot of other countries willing to trade outside of the international usury system.
200 Comment by Trifkovic on 29 February 2008:

The debt will NOT be repudiated. It was a failed initiative by Mr Dinkic, the notoriously corrupt neoliberal fifth-columnist within the increasingly dysfunctional ruling coalition in Serbia.
201 Comment by Ilija on 6 March 2008:

Dr Trifkovic,

how feasible is it for Serbia to connect stronger economic and military ties with Russia (which I strongly favour, by the way) when the country is practically surrrounded by the EU and NATO? The economic miscreant Dinkic lately seems to go out of his way to iterate this grim fact, along with the claim that only 15% of Serbia’s trade is with Russia. How much weight do his words have (if any) in this case?

Sincere thanks in advance

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