Exclusive: Kostunica: “It’s Enough to Have One Albania”
by Srdja Trifkovic
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The Serbian Prime Minister rejects the suggestion of a confederacy between Belgrade and Pristina as “absolute nonsense.” Russia and Serbia have a “common policy on Kosovo”
“Compared to the expectations and predictions made a few years ago, the position of Serbia regarding the future of Kosovo looks much better now,” Dr. Vojislav Kostunica says with a slight smile at the beginning of our interview. Some battles have been won—he says referring to the fact that UN Security Council resolution 1244 remains in force—but the end-game is not yet in sight.
Serbia’s prime minister has one of the most challenging jobs in the world, but he appears to be at ease with that burden and looks more self-assured than while he was Yugoslavia’s last president (2000-2003). Back then he had occasionally agonized about the magnitude and complexity of challenges facing him, but today he treats them as facts of life that neither intimidate nor depress him.
It may be telling that in appearance Kostunica has hardly aged over the past decade and a half that we have known each other, although in substance he has been the key figure on Serbia’s political scene.
THE FORCE OF LAW
He sees the consensus that has been established within Serbia on Kosovo as one of his main political achievements. That consensus was possible, he adds matter-of-factly, because Serbia is in the right, while those who advocate independence are simply wrong:
The strongest weapon in the struggle to keep Kosovo within Serbia is, of course, international law—above all the UN Charter and its fundamental principle of sovereignty, territorial integrity and equality of states. There can be no exception to that principle. This is the foundation of the legal argument, and it has been stated many times. Regarding the rights of national minorities, Albanians of Kosovo included, it is clear that creating a state of their own is not one of those rights. They cannot create another Albanian state on the territory of Serbia. It is enough to have one Albania.
It is therefore unsurprising that Kostunica categorically rejects the suggestion floated recently at the EU headquarters and in some European capitals that Serbia should form a confederation of sovereign states with Kosovo. He describes that idea as “absolute nonsense.” His government is ready to begin “real and meaningful talks on autonomy for the Albanian ethnic minority” in Kosovo on the basis of the UNSC Resolution 1244, he says, but adds that “we can reach a solution only if we put things in their proper context: the status of the Albanian ethnic minority can be resolved through the best form and degree of autonomy for the province.”
RUSSIA AND SERBIA HAVE “A COMMON POLICY ON KOSOVO”
The weapon of international legality and legitimacy would not have been sufficient, Kostunica admits, were it not for the pivotal role of Russia. “Russian leaders insist on the respect for those same principles,” he says, but Moscow made its position fully known only after it had ascertained that the political consensus in Belgrade was firm: “That has ensured that a new Security Council resolution, based on Ahtisaari’s plan and supported by the United States and some European countries, has finally failed.”
Before Ahtisaari embarked on his failed mission to create an independent “Kosova,” many Serbs had expected that Russia would again go along with the Western dictate yet again—just as it had done repeatedly under Yeltsin. Kostunica says that the turning point in Moscow’s position came in the winter of 2005-2006:
For me the decisive moment was President Putin’s statements in early 2006, just before the beginning of the negotiations in Vienna on the future status of Kosovo, to the effect that international norms and principles should be respected and that Serbia should be no exception. It was highly indicative that he warned against treating Serbia as some kind of unique case, case sui generis. It was more than clearly stated, and for me that was the most important moment. After that came the two meetings I’ve had with President Putin, both at St. Petersburg’s economic forum, in June 2006 and 2007, by which time we were completely sure that Russia would stick to the respect for those principles. By now we can say that Russia and Serbia have a common policy on Kosovo.
UNCERTAIN FUTURE OF NEW NEGOTIATIONS
Kostunica is emphatic that the new Contact Group “troika” that will conduct negotiations between Belgrade and Pristina has to proceed on the basis of a clear authorization from the UN Security Council.
What is going to be the methodology of negotiations? What are the terms of reference? Everything must start with the Security Council and everything must end there—even if that “end” means failure of some supporters of Kosovo’s independence to achieve that goal.
While acknowledging that it is possible for the United States and some other countries to proceed with unilateral recognition bypassing the UN, Kostunica is still hopeful that this will not happen:
After the failure of the UNSC resolution based on the Ahtisaari proposal, one has reason for optimism. We should not think about that outcome [unilateral recognition] because the UN Charter would be blatantly violated if this were to happen. Even if that happens, Serbian authorities would immediately make clear that they regard such decision as invalid, and that they will continue to treat Kosovo as a part of Serbia. We would also establish even closer relations with the Serb population in Kosovo.
Kostunica adds that unilateral recognition would be unacceptable to many countries in the European Union—and the EU in any event only maintains “the appearance of unity” on the issue of Kosovo.
According to Kostunica, the issues of all ethnic minorities—whether in Europe or anywhere else in the world—are resolved exclusively through various forms of autonomy, and “that universal rule must also be held valid for the Albanian ethnic minority.” The Albanian minority “may not be a special and only minority to which universal rules of international law do not apply,” and in the same vein “Serbia cannot be treated as the only state in the world on whose territory an ethnic minority is allowed to form its own state.”
It is not an overstatement to say that global peace and stability rest on respect of these rules, Kostunica concludes, “which is why they must be respected during renewed negotiations on establishing substantial autonomy for the Albanian ethnic minority in Kosovo-Metohija.” He is emphatic that “this is the only path which leads us to lasting peace and a sustainable solution that guarantees long-term peace and stability in the entire region.”
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1 Comment by Iliya Pavlovich on 3 August 2007:
We have all witnessed Dr. Trifkovic’s excellence in his wise, comprehensive and insightful reporting. After Kosovo is finally re-integrated back into the Serbian fold (as it obviously will be), I feel we will all owe a debt of gratitude to Dr. Trifkovic.
In spite of my open admiration for the many outstanding articles, timely observations and the widest geopolitical knowledge range in topics (from the death of Oriana Falacci to Turkish joining the EU, to riots in Paris), I feel that Dr. Trifkovic is slightly too shy in expressing what seems to be the inevitable future outcome – while I find myself slightly more careless (less wise or more daring) in predicting that Albania as a state has no place on European soil, and whereas I advocate that the mistakes of 1912 and 1913, London and Bucharest decisions to endow the “left-over Turks” with statehood by establishing the state of Albania.
The delicate balance of International justice (often influenced by military might and many other forms of unappetizing magnetic forces) – have finally swung towards the Serbian views. This set of recent events has demonstrated clearly the Albanian adherence to the principles of:
a) criminal behavior
b) lack of respect for any minority’s rights – even their own dissenters have been killed, sabotaged, blackmailed (the number of people who declined to testify in the Hague after they were “lightly approached” by the KLA Albo-fascists)
c) continued purging of all things Serbian
d) desecrating Serbian burial sites, churches
e) open borders with Albania (therefore artificially inflating the demographic majority to reflect unrealistic proportions.
Just as it happened in Ancient Greece (Sparta, Athens, Thespia, Macedonia having united to expel the Asian invaders (Darius and Xerxes) in span of years, so must we, sooner or later work on getting the remaining Turks back to their motherland (Turkey). Asiatic standards and views (with or without the Sharia implementation) are highly incompatible with European civilization – while there is every reason to believe that Sharia would dominate any future Islamic state.
About a year or two ago I was ridiculed for have mentioned Islamic presence in Sri Lanka although the Muslims were none of the principle combatants. Within the passing of this last calendar year, the banking Laws in Sri Lanka are exactly created to comply with the Sharia Laws – ask me again how many ways are there for Islam to penetrate one society.
Without such a long term plan we stand a very good chance of a continued state of “unrest” and renewed sabotage, crime, uncontrollable violence and other uncivilized behavior in this part of the Balkans. It is in the interest of Serbia, Macedonia, Greece and Montenegro to stop the delusions of Greater Albania – and it is in the interests of Europe to repatriate noncompliant Albanians elsewhere. I was prompted to contribute this as a reply to Dr. Kostunica’s statement “It’s enough to have one Albania” – which should be rephrased into “It’s too much to have even one non-compliant Albanian” – the Laws as they have been accepted by any given country have to be applied equally.
In closing I hope that Dr. Kostunica will not press on with joining the EU which is openly hostile to Russians, while Russians have openly supported Serbian cause at this key time.
Ceterum censeo Albanium esse delendam.
P.S. I respectfully decline to answer any questions posed by anybody who doesn’t properly sign up for this forum, and welcome all questions sent to me personally as not avoid typical Albanian diversions which have plagued this forum in the past. I can be reached by email at illija@comcast.net or TPT-MPT@juno.com
2 Comment by Hamit Karzai on 3 August 2007:
Koshtunica is the only person that commited crimes in Kosova and is not charged yet. It is documented in fotograph the moment when he was posing for a newspaper with a kalashnikov after had commited crimes. When he became Serbias prime minister, was asked by serbian journalists about the foto, and he tried to play it down, saying that in fact that was an opportunity foto , and he didn,t take part in any fighting. He did not deny that, the foto was taken in Kosova during the war, and he was smiling broadly. The phsyciatrists are saying now ,that is common among criminals after they commit the crime. The Albanian leaders alerted the representatives of the international community in Kosova about the possibility of him being a petty criminal, but the international community in Kosova ignored the Albanian allegation saying that, if that is the case, will be to Kosovas benefit. Two things are for sure: First,he has the foto where he is armed and in Kosova(the foto was published in a Srbian paper before him becoming Prime) and second the Albanian population strongly believes that he took part in fightings against Albanians. So I beleive he said things that Iliya writes above are true
3 Comment by Alban Ziguri on 3 August 2007:
I cannot help but advise I. P., S. Trifkovic and Kostunica to be realistic. The Albanian people of Kosova (not “the Albanian minority”) are on their way to independence. Serbia kept Kosova for about one hundred years, exploited its riches, massacred and deported hundreds of thousands of Albanians to Turkey because, as I.P., who may be a descendant of the Serb squatters in Kosova, says, they were considered “left-over Turks”. If not done intentionally, I am sorry to say that I.P. cannot distinguish between religion and nationality. If we abide by his logic, the Serbs who are Slavs like the Russians and originate from the Baikal Lake area should go back to Siberia, Russia. I do not share his racist opinion. I think that the Serbs who are noted for being an industrious people, should stay where they are and stop listening to their leaders. They have landed in such a situation because they listened to Milosevic. Enough is enough.
It is my opinion that the Serbs, namely, the Serb politicians make political statements to hide the reality from the ordinary Serbs, who have fallen victim to an unbridled ultra nationalistic propaganda. At a time when Kostunica and various scribblers prematurely proclaim a so-called Serb victory in Kosova, Belgrade is spending a lot of money in northern Mitrovica to buy the houses and other property of the Albanians at very high prices in order to make the Albanians leave that part of Kosova before the latter becomes independent. In other words, they want to make a fait accompli of the ethnic cleansing of the Albanians from the area before it is too late. And they know this except for the ordinary Serbs.
4 Comment by Russell Gordon on 3 August 2007:
Dr. Trifkovic’s article cannot really be called a great article, because if it were, the historically-revisionist though mildly entertaining replies would be death threats. As I told a colleague, if I get a Shiptar death threat, I know I did a good job.
C’mon Dr. Trif, once more with feelin’.
5 Comment by Hamit Karzai on 3 August 2007:
The photograph I was talking about is published on the net in albanian forums.I don’t know how to post pictures because I know where it is . ( the author is the mayor of vorioepidhit)
6 Comment by Hajrullah Dandullah on 3 August 2007:
Rusia this days went to north pole to plant a flag at the bottom of the ocean. If they are to be believed they say, they planted it. The problem is ,they are steping at some other countries foot. And some really pretty big countries. I don’t believe they will go ahead with their plan of grabing north pole area , but if they do ,I will advise anybody with money to go and visit Rusia because it might not be on the map anymore. It will be like visiting the past. Picture yourself let say visiting Rome at Hadrian times.What a thrill. But don’t do it if they don’t go ahead with their plan.
7 Comment by Alban Ziguri on 3 August 2007:
I urge this forum to deny access to I.P (Iliya Pavlovic), who has so far proved to be a racist and a warmonger. This is my opinion. If I am wrong, prove it, please. I am not speaking ill of him because I dislike him as a person. He is a stranger to me. I can pass judgement on him on the basis of the trash he himself exhibits in every comment he posts. Wouldn’t such a measure against such a provocateur be an honor to this Website? It is he who is polluting this Website’s environment.
Besides, in most of his posts on this Website, he keeps asking people to write their full names. Why? Why is he interested more in the identity of the people who write than in their comments, ideas and opinions? Why does he want to know WHO says this or that? He is a very inquisitive person.
He also wants others to write directly to him? Does he not want others’ opinions to be shared by other readers? Why is he afraid of independent and unbiased, realistic opinions?
Wouldn’t we think that those who run this Website share his crooked opinions? I believe that what I.P. says in his comments sets the tone for other people who have to respond to him in kind, his way. His provocative posts do a disservice to this Website and are the root cause of other people’s unethical responses.
It is our duty as readers who post our comments to be bent more on edifying than agitating and provoking.
Now that I have written these lines, I am sure that nothing will be done. Instead, those who run this Website would think of barring me from the forum and not I.P. who is so prolific at making up so many untruths.
8 Comment by Johan Dieckmann on 4 August 2007:
Once again, many thanks to Dr. Trifkovic for his insightful analysis and the good and interesting news.
As for “uncertain future of new negotiations”, one would be curious to know where would that Jeremic junior disaster and his Tadic & Co. masters figure in these. This is partly in reference to Dr. Trifkovic’s excellent article of 18 May 2007, in essence, “placing Vuk Jeremic at the helm of Serbian diplomacy is like letting the goat guard the cabbage”.*
*(To paraphrase someone else’s comment on Nixon, in those incomparably more amusing times http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/Dwight_Eisenhower_Nikita_Khrushchev_and_their_wives_at_state_dinner_1959.png )
9 Comment by Iliya Pavlovich on 4 August 2007:
Mr. Gordon,
If Dr.Trifkovic failed to arouse Albanians, it is possible that I overcompensated for it in my posts. It is not my intention to get a rise out of the Arnauts (Turkish word – meaning a stable boy, a stable cleaner) show their courrage by staying nameless, we can all see what high standards of excellence are in force among their ilk. Whenever they do come here – it’s only one or two of them who post many times under different screen-names, usually a ton of rubbish in order to obfuscate, never-ever addressing any issues of substance but injecting a red herring wherever and whenever possible. Just look at the replies.
I stated very simply that the British mistakes of 1912 and the Buchurest summit of 1913 should be reversed as to allow all Arnauts (the entire country of Albania to go back to motherland – Turkey, and depart from European soil – as thier standards are unsusstainable in modern day Europe. Kosovo Albanians who prove they were law obeying citizens should stay – but not the Albanian imports who were brought there exactly to induce the artificial populations dominance over Kosovar Serbians. In that case we’d have a more realistic picture of Albanians (perhaps some 10% at the most, unlike today’s 94%.
Not only are the Arnauts afraid of stating their own names, but they don’t have the gutts to write to me, and ask that I should be removed from this forum – a damn good reason for me to stay and continue speaking the Truth with all the historical parallels – I suspect there is some part of that Truth that the Arnauts find displeasing. Kosovo is lost to Albanian dreams for good – now it is the time to start with the offensive and move them out and away from all European lands.
Just wanted to check if I am still here or not – which will be shown to me in a few seconds after I hit the “submit comment” button.
10 Comment by Philip Candido on 4 August 2007:
a damn good reason for me to stay and continue speaking the Truth with all the historical parallels
Here, here!
Does anyone notice that the Arnauts are merely re-asserting what Bush said on his trip to Albania? They’re basically saying, in spite of all evidence to the contrary and the failure of UN Security council proceedings and dissent in Europe the independence is still going to happen. I think it is time for the real history of the crimes committed against Serbia and her people to be screamed from the roof tops. Lets not forget who the invader is.
11 Comment by Iliya Pavlovich on 4 August 2007:
Exactamente Phillip,
With the short term memory the Arnauts equaly pretend to have no knowledge of other “disposable allies” of some prior US Administrations (Osama was “a friend”, as long as he fought the Ruskies, El Piña (Manuel Noriega) was a one time friend, but his appetite grew so large he wanted to rule Panama all by himself – he’s still rotting away in Miami jail after the surgical intervetion of the Marine corps. Fulgencio Batista (Of Cuba) was supported by one segment of the JFK administration while Fidel was supported by another. El Che was eliminated elsewhere so no blame can ever be brought to the doorstep of the U.S. Fidel’s stubborn rule is an empty shell of highly disfunctional country riddled with corruption, poverty, etc. A clear fiasco of a one time “friend” supported by some (God only knows which) interests.
So have the Arnauts finished up their importance at a very inopportune time – too much American blood is spilled in Iraq, while one eye is on Iran (Hezbollah, Hamas) and the other eye is on Korea. Only a real Cyclope has that third eye which has to be kept on the Ruskies and their encroachment of the North Pole – all in all – Albanians are as important as last year’s snow. That’s how the political wheels turn and churn out sausages from willing subjugated minions. EU has bitten more of an European soil that it can ever chew – so no help will be forthcoming from the other side. Thank God there is a God. Now the forces are clearly in Serbian corner and if there is one smart geopolitical strategist in Serbian government s/he will propose the purification of the European soil by one set of means or another. I never advocated that all Albanians should be sent back to Turkey. There are indeed a few that were born in Kosovo and who are welcome to stay (as long as they have not committed any of the KLA’s deeds).
Ceterum censeo Albanium esse delendam.
After all wasn’t it Macbeth’s wife (Lady Macbeth) who suffered greatly for being “unable” to wash Duncan’s blood away from her hands? Those with no blood on their hands should stay and they will welcome in Serbia just as their parents were welcome in Yugoslavia (but this time without the preferential treatment, no extra child support, no extra SSI, no Affirmative Action).
12 Comment by Hrebeljanovic on 4 August 2007:
#6 Yo, Hajrullah Dumbdullah, how many fingers do you have? Are you capable of counting how many nuclear war heads Russia has in her possession? As far as I know, Mr. Putin will be giving few of those to Serbia, soon, very soon.
Freedom for occupied Serbian Province of Kosovo and Metohija is approaching real fast. All illegal Arnaut squatters will be sent to their place of origin: Asia.
13 Comment by Zoran Dimic on 5 August 2007:
A critical turn-point is reached. Albanians (ordinary people) in Kosovo & Metohija are starting to complain more and more – many of them feel frustrated since the last almost 20 years they were manipulated to take part in albanian [maffia/terrorist/shauvinist]’s “independent Kosovo”-project.
One can understand this if one reads this: http://emperors-clothes.com/interviews/keys.htm
(I was born and I lived in Prishtina till Jun 1999, and I know exactly that this is naked truth).
Also, if, for example, one has followed the Slobodan Milosevic’s trial, or, even better, Ramush Haradinaj’s trial, knows what happened to albanian witnesses who wanted/tried to speak the truth – even Karla Del Ponte admitted that problem in Haradinaj’s case, namely, witnesses were either killed, or refused to come, or even ran away during their stay in Haag.
Albanians were assured that independance will come definitely by the end of last year, then by the end of Jun 2007, and now they start to realize that it won’t come at all.
The only good and fair solution is that the West and honest albanians finally, and together with democratic Serbia, stand strong against strong albanian maffia. Let’s hope, pray, and do the best we can to make that possible. For the sake of truth, justice and long-term peace for the serbs and albanians.
14 Comment by Dan Reynolds on 6 August 2007:
Dr. Trifkovic and Vojislav Kostunica are both dreaming.
There are several problems with realizing their hopes.
One problem is that the Serbs themselves launched the idea of “a sovereign people”. Something along the lines of “wherever there are serbian graves, there’s Serbia”. Possibly launched as an euphemism at first, but later germinated into something the Serb agressors in Croatia and Bosnia-Herzegovina interpreted litterally. What goes around comes around.
A more serious problem is that the Serb party in this conflict is constantly lying. The Albanians may be muslim, although some 20% of them are Christian, but they’re certainly not Asian. In fact, were there a “competition of who’s the whiter or more european looking” between the two, Albanians win by horselenghts. I have been both to Serbia and Kosovo, thank you… So don’t throw rocks in glass houses, please.
The Serb party is also pretty much lying about almost everything else concerning Kosovo. The so-called “Serbian churches” from the 8th and 9th centuries, which are supposed to prove that the land “always” was serbian, were in fact built by ancient Greeks and Romans. Long before the slavic Serbs entered the area.
But the most serious problem with realizing Serbia’s dreaming is serbian impotence. Military, economic, political, cultural, you name it. The Serbs will not receive any help from serious western countries, not because they’re wrong, which they are, nor because of the West’s love for Albanians, which is very limited, nor because of any supposed loyalty among Christians, which of course is a joke. No, Serbia will be left Kosovo-less because Serbia lacks anything resembling virtue and competence.
Brainwashing and charming clueless Americans is one (easy) thing. But getting something done is one completely different and much harder thing. Let’s look at some examples from real life.
Serbia, with 10-12 million inhabitants couldn’t win a war with operatic alpine republic of Slovenia, pop 1.2 million. Serbia then failed in subduing much smaller (pop 4.5 million) and completely unarmed Croatia. Instead Serb forces got stuck for months with meaningless bombing to rubble a strategically unimportant city in the croatian east, Vukovar. During that Croatia armed herself and played all her cards so right that she could free her entire territory in just three days. Serbia would have got beaten in Bosnia-Herzegovina too hadn’t the USA stopped the victorious Croatians.
Economically Serbia is somewhere about one tenth of Croatia, which is one third behind Slovenia, which is slightly behind old EU countries. Serbia is way back in other words.
Culturally the Serbs are exactly what they hate and loathe so much. They’re the unloved orphans that the turkish Ottoman Empire dominated for some five centuries. They’re more turkish than today’s Turks.
But Serbia has Russia behind her. What good did it do her in those Balkan wars mentioned above? Well, pretty much none. One fun thing to ponder is that, all the while during the wars of the yugoslav desolution, while Serbs and Russians highbreastedly declared the love and brotherhood between themselves, Russia’s trade with Serbia was merely one tenth of her trade with supposedly “fascist” Croatia.
To put it in former Chicago maffia lingo: If you can’t deliver, you’re nothing.
Btw, it is really amusing that someone from such an un-Western country as Serbia has fooled American rightwingers into believing him when he claims his country is the last bastion for the defence of the West and the white race.
If anyone of you guys is interested in buying a bridge or two, I have some very interesting propositions for you…
15 Comment by Iliya Pavlovich on 6 August 2007:
Albanian tobacconist (R.J. Reynolds) AKA Pellumbi Velo (the bicycle) AKA Alban Ziguri (the Turk – Arnaut), AKA Suleyman Schwarts (The turncoat),
Don’t you think we’ve had enough of your thinly veiled lies and propaganda here? Didn’t you notice that there are no takers?
From about 1971 to about 1979 I had gone to Albania (as a tour guide) once a week – EVERY WEEK. From about 1985 to 1988 I was there once a year. Skadar and Valona. There is no world authority that will convince me of what my eyes have (not) seen. Not a single church in site – especially in this Northern (“Christian part of Albania”). I even learned a few phrases, but not enough to speak their language. As a tour guide I would have some 40 to 60 British, Dutch, German or American tourists behind me and we were always a most welcome site – Albanians have traditionally always put their best foot forward. However there were times when I alone would separate from the group having lunch and wonder off a little deeper into the village where we stayed. There is no chance in Hell that there could be even 10% Christians since “Halal meat” was for sale in every butcher store and every hotel, restaurant we visited was convincing us how their food is prepared to the strictest Halal code. As far as you mention of Serbia (lower case – it shows enough that you are a good stable boy (Arnaut) with a decent command of the English language:
1. (verbatim: But the most serious problem with realizing Serbia’s dreaming is serbian impotence. Military, economic, political, cultural, you name it. The Serbs will not receive any help from serious western countries, not because they’re wrong, which they are, nor because of the West’s love for Albanians, which is very limited, nor because of any supposed loyalty among Christians, which of course is a joke. No, Serbia will be left Kosovo-less because Serbia lacks anything resembling virtue and competence.
If “Serbian impotence” is so apparent why don’t the Albanians take Kosovo away from such a modest number of 4% or 6% or 10% (most optimistic, but unrealistic number of Serbians). This “impotence” becomes quite potent if the 4% Serbians managed to stave off the 96% Albanians.
In regards to you being an Asiatic homeless nomads, let me recount that the world’s first severed head of an opposing army’s leader was that of the Spartan leader Leonides, whose head Xerxes (the lesser than Great) had brought in on a spear while he torched Athens. Indeed Persians of the Hellenic era were not Muslims yet, but only converted some 1000 years later – however the Asiatic traditions are easily recognizable among the more civilized Serbians (and other Europeans) reasonably fast. No it is not Serbian intent to only retrieve its own land. It should be in Serbian long term interest to defend the stability of the region by working on reversing the mistakes of 1912 and 1913 when Albania took into existence for the first time ever, by mistakes of the London congress and Bucharest declaration. We would rather see you albanians (oops, look I made the same typo albanians with a lowercase “a”). re-patriated back to Turkey. Kosovo will inevitably be Serbian with or without the Russian veto. From what I know the UNSC didn’t even secure a simple majority – too many countries decided to abstain from voting. If your skills of a military analyst are correct there should not be any threat to which you have responded. Why fear the Martians if there are no Martians on Earth? D’accord?
But, that same impotent Serbian military held off 7 German divisions during the beginning of WW2 (1941-1942), and the entire Limburger eating NATO fascist alliance, which tells me that your math could be slightly off. I would not be opposed to testing the Serbian mettle on the Kosovo battlefield (yet again).
Isn’t it peculiar that other (more overtly pro-Albanian) contributors to this forum stayed equally nameless, just as you did? Would you see some things in common with you and the other few “gentlemen” I used at the start of this comment? Aaaaaaaaaaaah, yes, you are all one and the same. Now it’s clear. What admirable courage you all possess.
16 Comment by Mike Blackburn on 6 August 2007:
14 Dan Reynolds wrote : ..”he so-called “Serbian churches” from the 8th and 9th centuries, which are supposed to prove that the land “always” was serbian, were in fact built by ancient Greeks and Romans.”
The “Voice of Canadian Serbs” and its quite English editor have published a series of articles by Prof. Vasa Mihailovic on Serbian Monasteries with subtitle – Nobody builds monasteries on foreign soil! They say which Serbian ruler built the monasteries in Kosovo-Metohija and when.
You said the opposite. Let us know which of the Serbian claimed churches and monasteries in Kosovo-Metohija were not built by Serbians, who built them and when?
17 Comment by TJF on 6 August 2007:
It is absolutely wonderful what fools these Albanians are. If they had a drop of common sense, they would either shut up or at least learn a little English–to say nothing of history and logic. But no, they have an almost suicidal indifference to the impression they make on other people. If I had not met a few Albanians over the years, I would swear that Serbs were sending in these idiot remarks under Albanian names.
18 Comment by Iliya Pavlovich on 6 August 2007:
TJF – I applaud your remark. I am a Serbian by birth – and have met (face to face) hundreds and hundreds of Albanians – some bright others less bright. For the longest time I was convinced that it was the work of Serbian counter-intelligence service to place these moles (drones) cloaked in Albanian names to post such rubbish. The thought was so outrageous that I never posted it – glad you did it first. It is incredible how much damage a good Albanian can do to the rest of Albanians just by opening his mouth (as in B. Franklin’s: “better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool – than to open your mouth and remove all doubt”)
19 Comment by Bill Wilder on 6 August 2007:
To show that expecting the US to come to its senses on the Balkans is a fools errand, see the Guardian . . .
At 3:56 PM, The Buffalo In The Midst said…
US in Secret Gun Deal
By Ian Traynor
The Guardian UK
Friday 12 May 2006
Small arms shipped from Bosnia to Iraq “go missing” as Pentagon uses dealers.
The Pentagon has secretly shipped tens of thousands of small arms from Bosnia to Iraq in the past two years, using a web of private companies, at least one of which is a noted arms smuggler blacklisted by Washington and the UN.
According to a report by Amnesty International, which investigated the sales, the US government arranged for the delivery of at least 200,000 Kalashnikov machine guns from Bosnia to Iraq in 2004-05. But though the weaponry was said to be for arming the fledgling Iraqi military, there is no evidence of the guns reaching their recipient.
Senior western officials in the Balkans fear that some of the guns may have fallen into the wrong hands.
A Nato official described the trade as the largest arms shipments from Bosnia since the second world war.
20 Comment by Dan Reynolds on 7 August 2007:
Iliya Pavlovich seems to play the role of the local paranoid pitbull here. Just for the record, I’m neither Albanian nor Serb and I have never before posted anything on this website before. Believe it or not Mr Pavlovich.
The fact that you didn’t see any churches in Albania has probably to do with the reign of communism for, what, 50 years?
The sale of “Halal meat” proves, what? That the country is predominantly muslim. Muslims presumably care whether the meat meets Halal standards, to christians it doesn’t matter. You have a similar situation in the USA. Lots of food products are approved by rabbis and then stamped with a “kosher” sign. Non-jews don’t care if it is kosher or not, jews do. The main difference between the albanian halal providers and the american kosher approvers is that the latter charge heftily for their services. I believe I’ve heard that a rabbi will charge some $50.000 per approved product. Even for mineral water and other products that normally would never be questioned whether kosher or not.
>If “Serbian impotence” is so apparent why don’t the Albanians >take Kosovo away from such a modest number of 4% or 6% or >10% (most optimistic, but unrealistic number of Serbians). >This “impotence” becomes quite potent if the 4% Serbians >managed to stave off the 96% Albanians.
Let’s not speak falsely here. Those 4-6% have the military resources of the whole of Serbia behind them. Just like the Serbs in Croatia and Bosnia-Herzegovina did. And despite that Greater Serbia has been shrinking, bit by bit. Did you know that some representatives from Vojvodina had approached the Croatians, wanting to separate from the sinking ship Serbia, like Montenegro did, and attach itself to at least a country with prospects for the future, Croatia? The Croatians turned them down, which was wise, or perhaps it was just what their master, USA, ordered them to do.
>In regards to you being an Asiatic homeless nomads, let me
>recount that the world’s first severed head of an opposing
>army’s leader was that of the Spartan leader Leonides,
>whose head Xerxes (the lesser than Great) had brought in
>on a spear while he torched Athens. Indeed Persians of the
>Hellenic era were not Muslims yet, but only converted some
>1000 years later – however the Asiatic traditions are easily
>recognizable among the more civilized Serbians (and other
>Europeans) reasonably fast.
What a piece of confused thinking.
What is your point?
>We would rather see you albanians re-patriated back to Turkey.
Well, the Albanians, or their forefathers named Illyrians, were in the area some 1000 years before you Serbs, so maybe you should instead repatriate yourself first? Also, Albanians have never dwelled in Turkey so how could they possibly go “back”.
You know what the most amusing thing is here? Lots of Serbs have indeed the same genes in them as the Albanians. Many Serbs are descendants from intermarriages and simple conversions from one tribal association to another. You may in fact be a nice full-blooded Albanian boy underneath all that pitbull froth, without even knowing it. Isn’t it fascinating?
>Kosovo will inevitably be Serbian with
>or without the Russian veto.
Maybe you should start playing the Lottery, since you’re so sure about what will happen in the future?
>But, that same impotent Serbian military held off 7 German
>divisions during the beginning of WW2 (1941-1942),
“Held off” would mean that the Germans were hindered to enter Serbia, which they weren’t. The Serbian army at the time was a sorry joke. It took the Germans just 6 days to take entire Yugoslavia. In those days and considering the muddy roads and poor infrastructure of Yugoslavia (and Serbia in particular) it was quite remarkable. It was probably the fastest the Germans could travel through Yugoslavia, not even needing to care about shooting back at defenders. Because the defenders were no trouble at all, were they?
>I would not be opposed to testing the Serbian
>mettle on the Kosovo battlefield (yet again).
Which just shows your detachment from the real world.
Let’s remember:
The Battle of Kosovo. The Turks won, the Serbs lost. Serbia became a turkish vassal for 500 years on. Sound appealing?
Do I need to reiterate that Serbia lost in both Slovenia and Croatia, two countries so much smaller in both size and population than Serbia?
Would you be interested in discovering WHY Serbia is such a great loser? Why can’t she win over her tiny neighbors? Why does no one want to stay with her? Why is she so despised?
Ask me and I will tell you.
As to when certain churches were built, here’s all the facts you’ll need to do your own math. The Serbs came to present day Balkan somewhere around the 8th century. At that time they were more or less “barbaric”. They didn’t know how to build stone churches in any event. The churches on the other hand were built in typical roman or greek styles, with all the attributes associated with similar buildings from the rest of the two roman empires, eastern and western.
Now, for the $10.000 question, what’s more likely, that the churches were built by:
a) Serbs
b) Romans and Greeks?
21 Comment by Iliya Pavlovich on 7 August 2007:
For the Stupidus Maximus Albanicus (regardless of what name it uses):
1. Hitler’s top secret document on the Operation Barbarossa can be found from December 15, 1940 onwards. It was initially scheduled to start first week of April 1941, but he attacked Serbia instead and it was there in Serbia that his swiftest deployment needed 7 German divisions which in turn postponed the attack on Russia for June 22nd 1941, (middle of Summer – so German army went in their light summer uniforms) – Comprende?
2. Is it, or is it NOT a fact that Albania exists since 1913? A simple “yes or no” will do.
3. Is it, or is it NOT a fact that Albanians from New Jersey were planning an attack on Fort Dix, NJ? A simple “yes or no” will do.
4. If it is true that “The Serb party is also pretty much lying about almost everything else concerning Kosovo. The so-called “Serbian churches” from the 8th and 9th centuries, which are supposed to prove that the land “always” was serbian, were in fact built by ancient Greeks and Romans. Long before the slavic Serbs entered the area.” – What exact churches or even huts was it that the “native Albanian built there? What trace did they leave?
5. There was yet another Stupidus Maximus Albanicus who stated that Serbian military was IMPOTENT “Serbia, with 10-12 million inhabitants couldn’t win a war with operatic alpine republic of Slovenia, pop 1.2 million. Serbia then failed in subduing much smaller (pop 4.5 million) and completely unarmed Croatia. Instead Serb forces got stuck for months with meaningless bombing to rubble a strategically unimportant city in the croatian east, Vukovar. During that Croatia armed herself and played all her cards so right that she could free her entire territory in just three days. Serbia would have got beaten in Bosnia-Herzegovina too hadn’t the USA stopped the victorious Croatians.”
But now you seem to tell us that the 4% Serbian minority enjoys a protection of fairly strong armed forces. How can that same armed force be so strong and so impotent? Would you kindly make up your mind which is it you’d like the impotent Serbian armed forces to be?
Please let us know what truth would you like manufactured here so we all know what example to follow. Why else would the uncivilized Muslim Albanians burn the Serbian churches but only to erase the evidence of Serbian early Kingdom and their presence in the region?
22 Comment by Iliya Pavlovich on 7 August 2007:
source: The Fuhrer and Supreme Commander of the Armed forces
OKW/WFSt./Abt.L(I) Nr.33 408/40 g.Kdos. 18 December 1940
9 copies
Top Secret.
Directive No. 21. Operation Barbarossa
23 Comment by Iliya Pavlovich on 7 August 2007:
Lepenski Vir is an important Mesolithic archaeological site located in Serbia in the central Balkan peninsula. It consists of one large settlement with around ten satellite villages. The evidence suggests the first human presence in the locality around 7000 BC with the culture reaching its peak between 5300 BC and 4800 BC. Numerous piscine sculptures and peculiar architecture are testimony to a rich social and religious life led by the inhabitants and the high cultural level of these early Europeans. A few thousand years after this (around 1200BC to about 300BC) Celtic tribes (Scordiacs) have formed a city of Sindidun (round fort in their native language), where they cohabitated with the locals. It is a proven fact that the Celtic warrior nation has intermarried with the locals and even made contacts with Alexander the Great Megas Alexandros; July 20 356 BC – June 10 323 BC and his famous teacher Aristotle. Now, once more, with a feeling who were these noble Albanians that lived in and around Lepenski Vir, Sindidun, built Studenica (1281) Djurdjevi stupovi (completed 1171). Not to mention any St. Peter’s church is one of the oldest churches on the canonical territory of the Serbian Orthodox Church. It dates from 8th century and is the oldest church in the Balkans. It is very well known as the earliest spiritual centers in the Ras area where the first Serb state was created under Great Zupan Stephen Nemania in 11th century. It was in this church that Nemania was baptized. Later this first ruler of an organized Serb state become a monk Symeon in Mount Athos where he and his son St. Sava, the first Archbishop of Serbia established the monastery of Hilandar. God glorified Stephen Nemania as a Saint (St. Symeon the Myrrhbearer). His relics remained incorruptible and myrrh-flowing until our days.
St. Peter’s church is situated at the outskirts of Novi Pazar and is historically linked with the old city of Ras which used to be the first Serbian capital. In the vicinity of St. Peter’s Church are two important monasteries: Sopocani and Djurdjevi Stupovi, which played an important role in the spiritual life of the medieval Serbian kingdom.
May the God Lord forgive me for trying to teach the unteachable, and grant me patience for them to see his will on Earth as it is in Heaven.
24 Comment by Dan Reynolds on 8 August 2007:
Ilya, you seem confused.
You said “held off”.
If Hitler made a decision to, more or less needlessly, bog down seven divisions in Yugoslavia, instead of concentrating on an early campaign against the Soviet Union, that was his mistake. But you Serbs can not take any credit for it.
I’m curious, all this peacock pride of yours, how is it achored into real life? Is all this “serbian greatness” just a “dagger of the mind”? Have your people for the last 5-600 years in history won any battles at all on the war fields?
I have a suspicion they haven’t. But please do prove me wrong.
In the mean time, amuse yourself with another flat on the face example of Serb military strategy by googling “war of the captains”.
I never claimed that the Albanians built those churches. Read my post again. The difference between the Albanians and the Serbs is that the Albanians don’t CLAIM to have built them, like Serbs so falsely do.
>uncivilized Muslim Albanians
Please give us a break.
Unlike most of your readers I have been to Serbia. Land of thieves. Smelly, ugly, without order. Like the worse parts of Mexico. There’s a fee for entering the country. Another fee for leaving it. The traffic police demands you to pay for broken backlights which aren’t broken. If you refuse, they’ll make sure your backlights GET broken.
If you bother to learn the serbian language some you’ll be apalled att the amount of swearing and cursing. You guys are worse than the darker Americans. Just find Vojislav Seselj’s “message” to the judges at Hague on Youtube.
You people should never mention the word “civilization”.
Civilization and Serbia are like oil and water.
25 Comment by Gigi Goode on 8 August 2007:
Dan Reynolds…. quit hiding your TRUE nationality… that of a CROAT. I have seen your attitude and your words on other sites. With a DIFFERENT name of course and always “not a Serb or an Albanian”. Oh come on!! Knock off the racism against Serbs.
And tell us please, exactly WHAT was YOUR role in THE RACIST ETHNIC CLEANSING of “Operation Storm”????
26 Comment by Iliya Pavlovich on 8 August 2007:
Don’t take my word for it. Contact Dr. Major General (ret.) Baruch Levy – Chairman, Board of Trustees who taught at the Tel Aviv Military college how is it that they learn the strategy of Von Clausewitz. By example of General Zivojin Misic (two consecutive victories over the 5 times greater number of Austro-Hungarians – mainly the Croatians, Czech, Slovak, Hungarian and Bosnian conscripts). General Levy can be found as a member at Galillee college (http://galilcol.ac.il/) if he agrees with you, I’ll be silent forever. How’s that?
If he proves you wrong you have to give us your home address so we can have the number of “friendly civilized Albanians” invited to your house for dinner.
Friends?
27 Comment by Stevan Todorcevic on 8 August 2007:
I am trying to understand the ranters and raver of this and other sites as to the reasons of wanting an area of Serbia to be partitioned so that it can become a soverign country or a country so open with Albania so as to making a greater Albania.
I mean they post what happened to the region in the 90s right out of the Blair’s and American propaganda machine.
The numbers and stories just are not true and have been, for a long time proved false.
Albanian citizens need to stop and think. “Why did we come to Serbia in the first place?” Then they would realize that besides economic reasons there were political and human right reasons as well. Serbia’s constitution is strong and fair miles better than you will get in Albania or present day Kosovo.
Don’t let these hate mongers turn your life upside down for generations to come. Serbia is a tolerant country for those that are tolerant as well. The promises that these war and hate mongers are espousing will do nothing for you but will only line their pockets as it did under Albanian rule after the fall of the Chines brand of than communism.
I mean look at the middle east, Croatia, Slovenia with their homogeneous society, they will newer last in present day world. Countries if not diversified will fall by the wayside in all respects of life.
I for one am glad that I was born in Yugoslavia and have family all over the broken land. My strength is in devirsity and love for all people.
28 Comment by Iliya Pavlovich on 8 August 2007:
What? No answer yet? Such brave Arnauts like Reynolds? Croatians are equally brave against women and children. Interchangable moral values with the arnauts. I was afraid I’d be wrong without the Sremski front (designed by a Croat to eliminate Serbian children at the end of WW2. Battles of Neretva Sutjeska (Sava Kovacevic leader – Serbian). All the Balkan Wars 1908, 1912, 1913 do, or do NOT count? Radomir Putnik should or should not be excluded? Petar Bojovic? Zivojin Misic? Stepa Stepanovic? Take your pick nimrod.
29 Comment by P. Stewart on 8 August 2007:
Stevan Todorcevic – I’ve been given to understand that the purpose of enlarging Albanian territory is to strengthen the Muslim presence in Europe and produce white-looking terrorists who can more easily infiltrate the US and Britain. The Albanian friends I have describe a social divide in Albania that is culturally and linguistically based and separates those who consider themselves “true Albanians” from those lower class Albanians, from whom the Kosovar Albanians derive. The ‘true Albanians” work to drive the others out of Albania because of the social havoc they create with their uncivilized, violent ways. Unfortunately, they are experiencing the same thing the rest of us are where Albanians are concerned – the high birth rate and low literacy rates of the muslim Albanians have made all of Albania proper a muslim state. The “true Albanians” have more in common with the Serbs, as many of them are Christians, than they do with these others who seek to usurp the Albanian name. These Kosovar Albanians are serving as a willing highway for drug trafficking from the middle east into Europe, child slavery, prostitution and all manner of other profitable social ills. The proceeds are used to continue arming Islamic Jihadists. An Albanian Kosovo (sorry, I can’t bring myself to type the name with an “a”) widens the highway.
“Independence” in Kosovo will be the first domino which knocks over the rest of the peninsula, including Greece.
You may find errors in my information, and I bow to your greater knowledge since you are from Kosovo.
“Dan Reynolds” – Anthropologists and linguists, btw, agree that the present day Albanians are a recently recognized group, and a none too unified group at that, smooshed together from various multi-lingual tribes of various ethnicity who developed a common trade language known today as Albanian. The first known use of that language is not before the 17th century. They are not descendants of the earlier Illyrians, who were driven from the peninsula by the Celts and later the Persians. Albanian place names are relatively recent, while ancient Celtic and Persian place names continue. Slavs entered the peninisula in the late 7th through the late 9th centuries in waves from the Carpathian Mountain region of present day Russia. And Europe has the Serbs and Bulgarians to thank for the fact that they do not pray to Mecca and speak Arabic.
The Slavs were Christianized in the 9th Century by the Greeks, and built their churches in the Byzantine style. Their church art is renowned throughout the Orthodox world for its skill, and Serbian iconographers were in demand throughout the Orthodox world. There exists an unbroken chain of Slavic art from settlement times through the present which archeologists, anthropologists and art historians recognize and celebrate. There is no such unbroken chain for Albanians.
The Turkish conquest of the Balkans brought Islam to Christian people. Those who converted to Islam did so for the political benefits attendant to doing to. Those who did not entered centuries of slavery which was seen as less damaging to one’s soul than renouncing Christ. Bosnian Muslims are Serbs and Croats who adopted Islam to achieve property and wealth, which disappeared when the Christian Serbs successfully overthrew Turkish dominance in the 19th century. This is the source of the sore-headed victim mentality of today’s Balkan muslims.
30 Comment by Iliya Pavlovich on 8 August 2007:
P. Stewart, one addition please. The notion that the Serbians are derived mainly from the migration of Southern Slavs from the Carpathian mountains has been popularized by the anti-Serbian communists and made its way into the books of the West which never bothered to do any research. It is evident from the Celtic art (found in today’s Normandy, France and Denmark featuring distinct drawings of what later was considered early slavic art (handcrafts). It is also inconcievable that such a vast region of fertile lands in the heart of the Balkan peninsula was devoid of all people before the Celtic tribes invaded. Celtic sources do mention locals that they intermarried with, contacts they made with Alexander the Great, etc. Indeed there were other more massive migration of Slavic people (the ones you mentioned, which took place in the 6th, 7th, 8th and 9th centuries. First Serbian houses of worship identified in the region date from the 8th century, but many burial sites indicate presence of same people (same symbolisms, same early image drawings) present in the burial sites at Avala, Karaburma are substantially similar dating as far back as 620BC and 650BC respectively. At best the first Slavic (or Serbian tribes) to this region is inconclusive but it took place substantialy before the 7th century A.D.
31 Comment by Iliya Pavlovich on 8 August 2007:
Stevan Todorcevic, the reason is very simple. NATO with the United States Clinton war machine needed a war badly [a) to divert from the Lewinsky scandal; b) to pander to the oil rich Muslim states since it was obvious that the Muslim hands were involved some other atrocities across the world. So we conclude that a small powerless country is to be sacrificed – why not Serbia?
After the completely illegal NATO aggression was aborted – remember that no NATO soldier ever stepped onto Serbian soil, the war was considered both unfinished (by the pro-Fascist segments of the same NATO countries) or wrong by some more liberal and free thinking sources. In either case the NATO aggression needed some sort of a denouement. If the moral stain on NATO’s image was to be cleansed it is of vital importance to prove how Serbians are “genocidal nation”, mass murdered Bosnians, Turks, Argentines, Martians and many other UFOs. Therefore it is on behalf of the world’s higher moral grounds that the aggression needed to be justified and the conflict brought to a final conclusion. That’s exactly why Milosevic was going blue in his face trying to show the inseparable role of the NATO aggression with his actions. (don’t get me wrong I find Milosevic both guilty and mistaken, but not for the same reasons). So we now come to the present day situation. Granting “the oppressed UFO’s, Albanian, Martians” or anybody else their perceived artificially inseminated rights makes the NATO blame go away. See? Now the history books get to be re-written because the “justice prevailed”. Often time justice is spelled “just-us”.
Albanians are just pawns, they don’t really have much say in all this. They simply hope to get some free real estate in the heart of Europe.
32 Comment by Philip Davies on 8 August 2007:
Dan Reynolds, Serbia didn’t have a war with Slovenia, so what you say about that in particular quite a few other things are nonsense. The “war” in Slovenia was between the JNA and the Slovenia Territorial Defence. Also Croatia was very much armed before the war there.
As for the GDPs of Slovenia, Croatia and Serbia
Slovenia $37,340 million $18,610 per capita
Croatia $42,456 million $9,558 per capita
Serbia $31,589 million $4,220 per capita
So Croatia’s economy is not 10 times bigger than Serbia’s or a third behind Slovenia’s.
Also Serbia is the same size now as it was in 1991. Montenegro was not part of Serbia. Vojvodina is part of Serbia, but trying to claim that some of its “representatives” want to make it part of Croatia is quite humourous. Can you name these “representatives”?
33 Comment by Zoki on 8 August 2007:
I happened to stumble across this message board after reading the article on Kostunica. I did not come as a professor or a politician or a big PhD intellect, I instead came to this forum out of frustration after reading “some” of the comments. I knew I had to post something that is very close to my heart. Don’t believe the lies that are fluttering your brains about the “Greater Albanian” experiment. I agree in entirety with Mr. Ilija Pavlovic and P. Stewart. Kosovo has become a hotbed for drug trafficking, mostly opium that comes from Afghanistan, and also child prostitution. If you look at a map you will see that Serbia (Kosovo included) is a destination route from Asia Minor to Europe Proper. The drug ring in Kosovo is what is fueling the Albanian hunger for independence. I must add that Kosovo has become a major mafia underground black market. Dan Reynolds look up your demographics facts and see how the population of Kosovo was a hundreds of years back. Albania is a poor country, Kosovo is even more poor, how can a country like that be independent? I am so deeply confused at the world’s views of Serbs and our holy Orthodox Christian religion. Kosovo is the heart of Serbia and it shall stay like that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Kosovo
Do you see the demographic shifts? ARE WE THE INVADERS? Anyways, let peace prevail.
34 Comment by Johan Dieckmann on 8 August 2007:
http://www.serbianunity.net/projects/Kosovo/heritage_destruction/Kosovo2000Part5.pdf
35 Comment by P. Stewart on 9 August 2007:
Ilya Pavlovich – I never implied that the Balkans were empty until the arrival of the Slavs, but I am interested in reading the information you have about a different idea of Serbian settlement in the Balkans.
My information comes from Hungarian archaeologists who are excavating home sites and correlating those home styles with those found in the Carpathian Mountains and the Pripyet Marsh region as well as tools and other artifacts.
It is not unrealistic to think that present day Serbs are a result of Slavic migration AND indigenous peoples plus other conquered peoples. Serbs, particularly Montenegrins, show marked physical differences from other southern Slavs, particularly in height.
As we know, it is a muslim strategy to destroy cultural heritage so that they can brainwash their people into believing in their claims to territory throughout the world. Look what they are doing to the ancient archaeological sites in Iraq and Afghanistan.
36 Comment by Dan Reynolds on 10 August 2007:
So now we are told that Serbs were living in Serbia even before the birth of Christ? And not just before Christ, but even several thousand years before?
That’s rich.
Maybe the Serbs built the amazing pyramids too?
Whether Albania existed before 1913 is of no importance. Serbia herself stopped being an ottoman vassal kingdom at about the same time. When did the last turkish garrison leave Belgrade?
It is not true that Serbia didn’t fight those wars in Slovenia, Croatia and Bosnia-Herzegovina. Paper-wise and officially Serbia supposedly had nothing to do with them, but in reality she did. Everyone knows that.
As to the GDPs and per capita figures I made the same mistake as the poster who corrected me. My figures were old, from the 1990-ies. I sould have mentioned what year they were from. Things have moved on obviously. But we don’t know what timeframe these new figures are from?
This debate is about Kosovo, should it stay or should it go. Most Serbs seem keen on keeping it. For what if I may ask? To ethnically cleanse it of Albanians? To send them “back to Turkey”, a country that has nothing to do with Albanians? OK. After you get to “purify” it from these people, what then?
What will you do with that empty Kosovo?
Serbia herself is very far from being an ordered model country. Even with the new figures provided by Philip Davies here above, Serbia is obviously not only far behind european standards, but far behind its neighbors in the Balkans. What does she need more territory for?
If you guys were the least smart you’d realize that Kosovo is not winnable. No matter what some slick politician tells you. Cut your costs and just leave.
Then start doing what you should have started doing long ago. Grab reality by the horns and start building a real and decent culture. So far from the present old-bitter-woman style of accusations, lies and half-truths as possible. Become real men and decent people.
You will then notice that you’ll get support from decent countries and not just from Russia, which is even in a sorrier state than Serbia. Also, you’d not have to associate with mindless american fringe groups who you’ve managed to bullshit into believing everything you say.
Good luck and over and out.
37 Comment by Johan Dieckmann on 10 August 2007:
(Re. #36)
“over and out.”
Thank you.
38 Comment by hiutopor on 17 September 2007:
Hi all!
Very interesting information! Thanks!
G’night
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