Kosovo and Its Impact on U.S. Foreign Policy
by Joseph E. Fallon
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The struggle for Kosovo between Christian Serbs and Muslim Albanians dates back to 1389, when the Serbs were defeated by, and their lands annexed to, the Ottoman Empire. Muslim rule lasted over four centuries and resulted in several waves of forced migrations of Serbs from Kosovo. The current Albanian majority there was achieved more recently—the result of the policies of the Axis occupation (1941-45), which included the killing of an estimated 10,000 Serbs, the expulsion of another 100,000, and the introduction of Albanian settlers. The de-Serbianization of Kosovo continued under Tito’s rule (1945-80), during which the country acquired many attributes of a separate Albanian state—borders, a flag, a capital, a supreme court, an education system that promoted the Albanian language, a university with teachers and textbooks from Albania, as well as cultural and sporting exchanges with Albania. In 1981, after Tito’s death, Albanians in Kosovo demanded that the province be elevated to a republic with the right of secession. This provoked a Serbian reaction that facilitated the rise of Slobodan Milosevic, which, in turn, was cited by Albanians as a justification for the activities of the Albanian Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA). A downward spiral of ethnic suspicion and strife ensued, culminating in the Yugoslav wars.
From 1996 to 1999, the war in Kosovo was an internal conflict between the secessionist KLA—which, at one time, was designated a terrorist organization by the U.S. State Department—and the armed forces of the rump Yugoslavia of Serbia and Montenegro.
Citing an alleged massacre of Albanian civilians by Serbian forces in the village of Racak in January 1999, the U.S. government and NATO allies officially intervened. Meeting in Rambouillet, France, that February and March, they drafted a “peace accord,” which offered the KLA de facto independence for Kosovo immediately, and de jure independence in three years. During that interval, Kosovo would be administered as a NATO protectorate. The U.S. government introduced a military annex to the accord under which NATO personnel would be immune from all legal actions—civil, criminal, or administrative—and NATO forces would have unfettered access to any and all parts of Yugoslavia. And all the costs would be borne by Belgrade. Yugoslavia would have been a virtual colony of NATO.
When Belgrade refused to sign the accord, NATO attacked. The war lasted from March 24 to June 10, 1999. Kosovo became a U.N. protectorate (UNMIK), whose final status—some form of independence from Serbia—would be determined in the future. That future is now, and it is posing political and strategic problems for the Bush administration.
U.S. foreign policy toward Kosovo, which culminated in military intervention in 1999, was a continuation of the policy Washington had pursued in Bosnia and Croatia in 1995. Each of the three wars contributed to a profound transformation in U.S. foreign policy. In Washington’s eyes, the end of the Cold War meant a transition from a bipolar world, which functioned within a set of political, military, and legal restraints, to a unipolar one. The U.S. government was now the world’s hyperpower, without rival or limitation. For Washington, the Yugoslav wars provided an opportunity to demonstrate this to the rest of the world, thereby accomplishing several key objectives.
First, Washington set out to demonize the Serbs in order to discredit and suppress not just Serbian ethnicity but any manifestation of ethnic nationalism, since such nationalism undermines the legitimacy of the dominant ideology of the virtues of multiethnic states and transnational corporations.
Second, U.S. policymakers sought to dismember an inconvenient state—in this case, one supported by Russia, thereby establishing a precedent. Later, that precedent would be applied to the union of Serbia and Montenegro, then Serbia, and, perhaps, even to Iran. In so doing, Washington hoped to weaken and isolate Russia, both internationally and in Europe.
It also established another precedent, in promoting ethnic cleansing by proxy. The Clinton administration covertly armed, trained, supported, and advised the government of Croatia for the August 1995 military offensive known as Operation Storm. Though it was aimed at the secessionist Republic of Serbian Krajina, it resulted in the expulsion of an estimated 300,000 Serbs from Croatia. According to the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), after ten years, the Serbs still have not been permitted to return to Croatia. The precedent was repeated in 1999 when the Red Cross reported that the KLA had expelled between 200,000 and 250,000 Serbs from Kosovo. It was repeated yet again in 2001 in Afghanistan, in the wake of the U.S. invasion, when our “ally,” the Northern Alliance, consisting mostly of ethnic Tajiks, sought to expel a million ethnic Pash-tuns from northern Afghanistan. According to the UNHCR, nearly 100,000 Pashtuns fled, becoming refugees either elsewhere in Afghanistan or in Pakistan. In Iraq, both Kurdish and Shiite militias, whose political parties are members of the national government—another ally of the Bush administration—currently engage in ethnic cleansing. In Kirkuk, Kurds are reversing the process of “Arabization,” while in Baghdad, Shiites are cleansing Sunni neighborhoods.
By supporting Muslim demands for a united Bosnia and an independent Kosovo, Washington hoped to persuade Muslims, especially in Egypt, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey—all key U.S. allies—that they are wrong to regard U.S. foreign policy toward Palestinians, Kashmiris, Moros, and Uighurs as evidence of any hostility toward Islam on our part.
Washington also sought to encourage Muslims in Albania, Bosnia, and Kosovo to promote a secularized, individualistic Islam, in which mosque and state are separate, which would undermine the appeal of traditional Islam, especially in the West.
With the Cold War ended, Washington sought to justify NATO’s continued existence by waging war on Bosnia and Kosovo. These wars required a radical redefinition of NATO’s mission and area of responsibility. These ad hoc military interventions became official policy after September 11. NATO’s 2002 Prague Summit Declaration stated,
We, the Heads of State and Government of the member countries of the North Atlantic Alliance, met today to enlarge our Alliance and further strengthen NATO to meet the grave new threats and profound security challenges of the 21st century . . . so that NATO can better carry out the full range of its missions and respond collectively to those challenges, including the threat posed by terrorism and by the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and their means of delivery . . . NATO must be able to field forces that can move quickly to wherever they are needed . . . to sustain operations over distance and time . . . to achieve their objectives.
Thus, NATO is no longer a defensive alliance, and its sphere is no longer restricted to Europe. This enables the U.S. government to maintain, even increase, its Cold War level of influence in Europe and provides Washington with a reservoir of bases and troops from NATO countries to help implement its policy objectives as far away as Afghanistan and Iraq.
In attacking Yugoslavia, Washington also sought to test the ability of the U.S. government to impose political settlements that advance its interests. The more contradictory and arbitrary those settlements are—rejecting national self-determination in Bosnia but championing it in Kosovo—the more our power is projected.
The final status of Kosovo is to be decided by the U.N. Security Council. Its special envoy, Martti Ahtisaari, a former president of Finland, is reportedly recommending independence in all but name. (See www.unosek.org/unosek/index.html.) The Serbs have rejected this plan, and, while Moscow has stated that it will veto this recommendation unless both the Serbs and the Albanians agree to it, Washington favors it. Such a plan, if implemented, would fail to bring peace or justice to that region of the Balkans.
Any U.N. Security Council decision is expected to reflect “The Guiding Principles for a Settlement of Kosovo’s Status” set out in 2005 by the United States, England, France, Germany, Italy, and Russia—collectively known as the Contact Group. Principle Six declares that “There will be no changes in the current territory of Kosovo, i.e. no partition of Kosovo and no union of Kosovo with any country or part of any country.”
The current proposal for Kosovo independence violates international law while claiming to uphold it; it institutionalizes ethnic and religious discrimination and seeks to sanction both in law, denying the Christian Serbs of Kosovo the legal right to national self-determination, while granting and denying that right to the Muslim Albanians of Kosovo.
If national self-determination under international law forbids the partition of a territory, then U.N. member-states Bangladesh, Ireland, Israel, Moldova, Pakistan, and all the successor states of the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia are illegitimate. So, too, are the western borders of U.N. member-states Lithuania, Poland, and Russia, which were shaped by the post-World War II partition of Germany.
The plan both allows Albanians in Kosovo the right to secede from Serbia and denies them the right to unite with Albania. If the U.N. Security Council insists this restriction is in accordance with international law on the right to national self-determination, then it should also insist that the unifications of Germany, Vietnam, and Yemen were illegal, and future unifications of Ireland or Korea would have to be prohibited as well. Conversely, it would have to consider the Republic of Somaliland, which seceded from Somalia, and the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, which seceded from Cyprus—states the United Nations refuses to recognize—to be, in fact, legitimate.
The plan advocates multiethnic statehood while dismembering a multiethnic state. The push for Kosovo independence is predicated upon it being a multiethnic state. As part of Serbia, however, it is already in one. By championing the concept of multiethnicity, the proposal undermines not only its own justification for Kosovo’s independence but the legitimacy of all the successor states to the former Yugoslavia: Bosnia, Croatia, Macedonia, Montenegro, and Slovenia—none of which are as multiethnic or as multireligious as was the former Yugoslavia.
Both Bosnia and Serbia constitute federal republics. Bosnia consists of two entities: the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina, and the Republika Srpska. Serbia has two autonomous provinces: Kosovo-Metohija and Vojvodina. Both Bosnia and Kosovo are U.N. protectorates. Yet, Muslim Kosovo is to gain independence, while Christian Republika Srpska faces abolition and consolidation in a unitary Bosnian state. Such a policy is nothing short of institutionalized ethnic and religious discrimination.
The Security Council claims that Kosovo is an exception in international law. The legal principles announced for it are deemed to have no applicability to other disputes. This maneuver is an attempt to deny the protection of international law to parties in three specific conflicts—Transnistria in Moldova, and Abkhazia and South Ossetia in Georgia. Such an arbitrary claim of exceptionality undermines the moral authority of international law, making it nothing more than a law of the jungle defined and enforced for the benefit of the more powerful states.
A just and enduring political settlement for Kosovo requires that Bosnia be treated in an identical manner. If Kosovo has the right to secede from Serbia, then the Republika Srpska must have the right to secede from Bosnia.
An independent Kosovo must have the right to unite with Albania. Similarly, an independent Republika Srpska must have the right to unite with Serbia.
To resolve the Serbian refugee crisis, there should be a population exchange between Serbia and Montenegro, on the one hand, and Kosovo and Albania, on the other. Serbian refugees would agree not to return to Kosovo, while the Serbs still there would agree to relocate to Serbia. In exchange, Albanians in Serbia and Montenegro would relocate to Kosovo and Albania. There is a legal precedent for this in the “Convention Concerning the Exchange of Greek and Turkish Populations” (1923). With the approval of the international community, it successfully transferred over a million Greeks from Turkey to Greece and 400,000 Turks from Greece to Turkey. Other examples of successful population transfers include those between Bulgaria and Turkey in 1913 and 1950-89; Bulgaria and Greece in 1919; Poland and the Soviet Union in 1945; and Czechoslovakia and Hungary in 1946.
The Bush administration favors the current proposal for Kosovo’s independence without appreciating the problems, political and strategic, it presents to U.S. foreign policy. Indeed, the White House is behaving as if the United States, as the world’s hyperpower, can overcome any problems that may arise—a notion that Afghanistan and Iraq should have dispelled.
The immediate problem is that Kosovo, perhaps more than Bosnia, has become a haven for Islamic militants and for organized crime. Both pose direct threats to Europe, and independence will only make it worse—for Europe and for the “War on Terror.”
If the Security Council proposal is implemented, the secessionist regimes of Transnistria in Moldova, and Abkhazia and South Ossetia in Georgia, will demand international recognition of their independence. Such official recognition would likely begin with Russia and then snowball. Since the Bush administration opposed independence for these regions, this would be viewed by many, including many Americans, as a political victory for Moscow and a political defeat for Washington.
Next would be Nagorno-Karabakh. The Armenians there will also insist on international recognition of their independence from Azerbaijan—something that both Turkey and Azerbaijan oppose. Armenian-Americans, however, support it, and they constitute an influential ethnic lobbying group. The Bush administration would be caught in the middle, and any decision would displease an important ally.
The strategic prize, however, is the Crimea, which has been part of Russia since 1783. With the Bolshevik Revolution, it became an autonomous republic, then an oblast of the Russian SFSR. In 1954, jurisdiction was transferred to the Ukrainian SSR as a symbolic gesture honoring the historic unity of the two Slavic peoples. When the Soviet Union fell, the Crimea reluctantly agreed to remain part of the Ukraine, but as an autonomous republic. Ethnically, linguistically, and culturally, the Crimea is Russian. It is home to the Russian Black Sea Fleet. If the U.N. Security Council votes on independence for Kosovo, the government of the Crimea would likely call for a vote on Crimean independence, which would easily pass, then demand international recognition. This would be followed by a vote on union with Russia. And Moscow would certainly accept the return of the Crimea to Russia.
This would be a major defeat for U.S. foreign policy. Since the Yugoslav wars of the 90’s, Washington has assumed that Russia, because of her size, natural resources, and nuclear weapons, has the potential to reemerge as a rival. To prevent this, the U.S. government has pursued a policy of containment. It supported the expansion of NATO eastward to include former Soviet republics, in violation of promises made to Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev. The anticipated impact of NATO enlargement, however, was trumped by Russia’s emergence as a principal supplier of oil and natural gas to Europe. Washington used the war in Afghanistan to displace Russia from the former Soviet Central Asian republics. After its initial success, which culminated in Kyrgyzstan’s “Tulip Revolution,” the U.S. government has seen its influence decline, while Russia’s has grown. In the Ukraine’s “Orange Revolution,” Washington supported the overthrow of a pro-Russian government and its replacement with a pro-American one. The new government soon announced its intention to join NATO and to expel Russia’s Black Sea Fleet from the Crimea—to humiliate Moscow and disrupt its naval operations. Then, a general election replaced that government with another pro-Russian one. If independence for Kosovo results in the return of the Crimea to Russia, U.S. foreign policy will have come full circle since the Yugoslav wars. The world would no longer be unipolar, and the U.S. government would no longer be the world’s hyperpower.
Joseph E. Fallon writes from Rye, New York.
This article first appeared in the July 2007 issue of Chronicles: A Magazine of American Culture.
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2 Comment by Johan Dieckmann on 5 July 2007:
“Kosovo and Its Impact on U.S. Foreign Policy” by Joseph E. Fallon
This is indeed one of the best concise analyses of the ramifications of the current adventure in the Balkans and the related hare-brained attempts at “Drang nach Osten” for the U.S. foreign policy.
3 Comment by Michael Kenny on 5 July 2007:
I have always thought that ex-Yugoslavia was the rock on which “Superpower USA” perished, particularly in regard to Europe. Seeing the on-going and unending fiasco there made Europe distrustful of US military adventures. Europe was thus reluctant over Afghanistan, unwilling over Iraq and Iran was the bridge too far. Moreover, the “European street”, so to speak, was way ahead of its leaders, many of whom were still locked in a cold war-era knee-jerk support for the US. Having dared to stand up to the “beast” without any dire consequences and with much popularity at home, European leaders are slowly acquiring a sense of their own power, although for the moment, they still pinch themselves every five minutes just to make sure they are not dreaming! That change is no doubt irreversible, as is the decline of the US, and the world will be a profoundly different place as a result.
4 Comment by Ivan Bricel on 5 July 2007:
I will forward this excellent article to 2 senators and one representative. I bet they are complete tabula rasa in this matter.
Thanks and keep writing.
5 Comment by web designer on 5 July 2007:
Why in kosovo they hate that much Albanians, i new few people, very good people. Good article
6 Comment by robert m. peters on 5 July 2007:
I have yet to encounter a better article on this issue. Thank you.
7 Comment by svetlana on 5 July 2007:
This article is full of inconsistencies
I would like to ask the author to give us the source (links please nor generalizations) of his numbers mentioned in his articles
To me somehow the article seems confusing like for example
To resolve the Serbian refugee crisis, there should be a population exchange between Serbia and Montenegro, on the one hand, and Kosovo and Albania, on the other. Serbian refugees would agree not to return to Kosovo, while the Serbs still there would agree to relocate to Serbia. In exchange, Albanians in Serbia and Montenegro would relocate to Kosovo and Albania
As you describe here in this scenario you are favoring Montenegro not Serbia
8 Comment by Johan Dieckmann on 6 July 2007:
Upon a more careful reading, I do agree with Svetlana (comment #6).
E.g., I had missed the detail she quotes. While the exchanges of populations that Mr. Fallon seems to suggest appear logical, the central unavoidable fact is that Kosovo has been the very heart of Serbia since High Middle Ages, the cradle of its rich culture that was overrun by Albanian Muslim hordes quite recently, as Mr. Fallon himself chronicles, which makes the specifics of his suggestion untenable.
9 Comment by R. V. M. on 6 July 2007:
Dear Mr. Fallon
thank you for the article, your analysis is very good, but I disagree with outlined solutions, since they would, in my view, award those groups who performed the most brutal crimes agains humanity and this would be understood as a signal that brutal crime is benefitial to those performing it.
What we need are strategies how to bring Serbs back to Kosovo and get rid of illegal Albanians. App. 50% of Albanian population in Kosovo are illegal immigrants from Albania who settled in 60es , 70 es and later in Kosovo by illegally crossing the border and by violence (tolerated by utterly anti-Serbian Yugoslav state). Those illegal aliens should be returned to where they came from and not given any sort of self-determination rights. Only after this, and after the Serbian state is back to Kosovo, Serbs could and should go for a historical agreement and compromise with Albanians in Kosovo. Albanians in Presevo should also be checked: most of them very recent settlers to this region too. Those who are not, could be resettled to Kosovo, – on this basis Kosovo might get more autonomy rights within Serbia.
I don´t see any logic in granting the same right to Kosovo and Republika Srpska. Republika Srpska was always a Serbian land, Serbs there are not illegal immigrants. They do not live on stolen property, with blood on their hands, but on land they have always cultivated and defended against the barbarian hords. Thus, yes, the Republika Srpska must be granted the right to selfdetermination, without “if” and “when” and without conditioning this by giving the same right to mostly illegal alliens in Kosovo and Presevo.
Last but not least, 500.000 Serbs expelled from Croatia (300.000 from Kraina and 200.000 from the cities in Croatia) should be granted the right to execute a referendum and decide about the faith of Kraina and Slavonia – the minimum that should be granted to Serbs in Croatia is full cultural autonomy, Serbian police in Krajina and Slavonia and the right to have special connections with other Serbian lands (Republka Serbska and Serbia). Croatia was an “indipendant” state only during the WWII and now, thus it cannot claim a state history. This gives all the selfdetermination right to Serbs still living there or those who were expelled from Croatia in 90es.
With two Serbian autonomous provinces Croatia would be much less likely to cultivate Nazi ideology which is endemic there. This would be very beneficial for stability of the whole region, for peace and economic prosperity.
Montenegro should have a selfdetermination right (for the same reason as above: they live on their own land and have a state history) – Serbs in Serbia are, as far as I can judge, not against a separate Montenegrin state, as long as it is provided that those in Montenegro who consider themselves Serbs are not forced into becoming “Montenegrins”, forced to call their language “Montenegrin” and alike.
The above would be just, but I am aware that there is a reality that is denying any right to Serbs, the reality of destroying Serbian state and nation and satisfying chauvinistic appetites of Serbian neighbours at the expence of Serbs. Having this reality in mind, Serbs might accept the compromise that you suggest, but this should never be called just, rather seen as an enormous sacrifice in spirit of Christ by the Serbs for sake of freedom.
As a Serb I would be against this sacrifice, because I believe that it would only grow the appetites of Serbian enemies, who are also the enemies of the West at the end of the day.
Strong Serbia, on the other side, would be beneficial for the West. Strong Serbia would be the best prevention measure against spread of Muslim terrorism and it would be an economic engine of the whole region (even now, under desperate conditions, with hardly any direct investments, Serbia is having a very good economic growth).
Regards,
10 Comment by gjoni on 6 July 2007:
fgm,e.e
11 Comment by gjoni on 6 July 2007:
Dear Josef! You eather need glasses or got head problems.How come the Albanians were chasing Serbs out of Kosova,when the Albanians were living there since 2000 years B.C, according to greek and roman sources, and Serbs since 800 a.d 2800 years later.Josef why don,t you screw yourself Joe.
12 Comment by Eneid on 6 July 2007:
How come the writer of this article missed a well-documented fact that describes how the Albanians (both Muslim and Christian) joined the the Battle of Kosovo against the Ottomans? How come the writer of this article seems to have forgotten the fact that when the Albanian hero Scanderbeg toger with over 2000 Albanian fighters went to join Hyniad of Hungary against the Ottoman forces but were prevented by some Serbian regional lords in what is now Kosovo?
Finally, the auther of this article ought to have known that it is the Serbs who are the real intruders in the Balkans since the came in the 6th Century AD. Ever heard of any Albanian migration to this region in any date prior to this?
13 Comment by Zoilos on 6 July 2007:
Good grief, Albanians be back with all crazy history and grammar. Albanians they be modern people and not ancient Illyrians. Me say give land back to Roman Empire either to Pope or to Ecumenical Patriarch. Keep Albanians from killing each other and practicing white slavery and selling heroin all over Europe. Maybe better, give the land to Italian mafia–Albanian mafia driving poor dons out of business.
14 Comment by gjoni on 6 July 2007:
Albanians gave the Cristianity the very man who ordered christianity official relegion of todays west, Costandine the Great,the inspiration of christian spirit ,Mother Teresa, Two or three popes,etc….The serbs the GREAT Miloshevic, the killer of muslims,christian Croats, the JEWISH in WW2. So Joseph whoever you are, YOU R a dickhead.
15 Comment by chris on 6 July 2007:
Will someone please kick out this gjoni turd?
16 Comment by gjoni on 6 July 2007:
If anyone doesnt know,,Costandine the Great, the Albanian blood Roman Emperor made christianity the official religion of western word as we know today.Prior to him a GREAT MAJORITY of the western world didnt beleive that JESUS ever existed in flesh, and many other relegions were fluorishing. Costandine stoped it by force of law and sword, and made christianity the only religion of the empire. So we Albanians through work of Costandine are singlehanded risponsable for todays Christian world, and still contributing through Great christian names as ‘mother TERESA”. So whoever is trying to use christianity as an argument against Albanians remember: WE GAVE IT TO YOU. IT IS OUR MAKING.Cheers!!!!
17 Comment by Zoilos on 6 July 2007:
gjoni eez wonnerful. She love Constandine Great so much she worship crazy epileptic child-molestor name Mahound. Me think first that bad Serbs an Griks pay gjoni to make Albanian blood pippuls looks stupid but then me remimber Albanians doesn’t need munny to act stupeed. Albanian blood pippuls also risponsable for why Americanns cannt spell. Me love Albanian blood pippuls specialy pippuls what fought in SS Skanderbeg division with Nazzi alles. One problem, though, cause Nazzi alies too nice for Albanian blood pippuls who say own all Balkans. Look up Albanian American websites and you find out them only pure race in universe that why they can kill everyone in Balkans, control half heroin trade in Europe and steal white Christian girls and sell to Muslim brothers.
18 Comment by aztec on 6 July 2007:
Good god gjoni, you are not helping the Abanian cause with your pathetic comments. Albanians were not everywhere first and did not do everthing first. If they were so smart how come the only country they control is living in the stone ages? If it weren’t for the US, there wouldn’t be a single Albanian in Kosovo. When they had their chance to fight the Serbs alone, they were leaving Kosovo like ants fleeing water.
19 Comment by Nomen Nescio on 6 July 2007:
Dear Dr. Flemming,
As you are aware, many of us who comment on Chronicles’ forums use pseudonyms, for various reasons. Still, despite obvious (and indeed welcome!) sharp disagreements on the subject matters discussed (and consequently and understandably, occasional raised tempers), we do not abrogate our responsibility to being civil – _at least_ not to the point of resorting to obscene language…
It is regrettable to see that one gentleman (or madam
), who wrote today under the pseudonym “gjoni” and identified himself as an Albanian, found it much too constraining to adhere to the aforementioned norms of civility.
As he steadfastly claims the honor of defending the valuable Albanian culture, we must defer to him, and conclude that he is its true representative and a living example.
I suppose, you do not have an easy way to purge such a jewel from our midst?
20 Comment by gjoni on 6 July 2007:
I dont know what #18 and#19 comentators R trying to say.I have no way of veryfying their education level,so I will stay away of confronting them, since they look very low educated people,so one cant talk to the wall. As for Albanians join Germans in WW2 it was because they were dealing with two fasist countries,Serbia and Germany.Even though Germany was a dangereous fasist state on the international level,Serbia was far worse in a local level,trying to grab Albanian lands in Kosova .So when have to deal with two evels one try to pick the less evel one which was of course Gemany in local level.Look what Serbian fasist mentality does, killed 300.000 inocent muslims and christians around Ballkans and now ARE protecting the war criminels.Thats why the civilized word bombed them for 78 days forcing them like rats to sleep in basements and shitting on pants every time that a 1000 lb bomb exploding.And remember dear this is an Albanian century in the local level.Cheers!!!!!!
21 Comment by Johan Dieckmann on 6 July 2007:
“I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it.”
— George Bernard Shaw
http://www.whale.to/b/images/shaw.jpg
22 Comment by Nomen Nescio on 6 July 2007:
My sincere apologies Dr. Fleming for misspelling your last name in my earlier post.
23 Comment by Dimce Stojanovski on 6 July 2007:
For interested parties, please go to http://unitedmacedonians.org/macedonia/kaplan_english.html and read “The Albanian
Racism toward it’s Neighbours is based on Historical Falsification” with persecuted Albanian Academic Professor, Dr Kaplan Resli-Buranovich.
24 Comment by robert reavis on 6 July 2007:
Zoilos,
Post 17 is the funniest message I have read in weeks. Thank you so much for the humor and much needed relief in the face of such … well, such damn silliness. I am not a prig when it comes to posting quick and hurried messages in between other obligations, but your parody was just perfect for what was required. Thanks again and keep’em coming.
25 Comment by limited on 7 July 2007:
Dear Mr. Fallon,
Your article is very well done. I’m not so sure I like population exchanges but I do appreciate the research and insight you provide.
I think that all borders should remain and those that are unhappy should emigrate to Germany (or maybe anywhere within Germany’s PEE.U.). Afterall, it was their foreign policy that started this recent two-decade old mess.
Thank You.
26 Comment by Iliya Pavlovich on 7 July 2007:
Possibly omitted importance in the following:
“U.S. foreign policy toward Kosovo, which culminated in military intervention in 1999, was a continuation of the policy Washington had pursued in Bosnia and Croatia in 1995. Each of the three wars contributed to a profound transformation in U.S. foreign policy. In Washington’s eyes, the end of the Cold War meant a transition from a bipolar world, which functioned within a set of political, military, and legal restraints, to a unipolar one. The U.S. government was now the world’s hyperpower, without rival or limitation. For Washington, the Yugoslav wars provided an opportunity to demonstrate this to the rest of the world, thereby accomplishing several key objectives.”
The importance that I fail to find consists of the creation of Bosnia and amputation of a large Serbian segment from Croatia. This can not be an accident. Bosnia was always an administrative creation. It was (and largely is) composed of mainly Serbians – indeed some of those Serbians were converted into Islam – at knifepoint to their children’s throat – but converted nevertheless. Croatia didn’t even bother with conversion – their solution was a lot closer to Adolf’s view – exterminate, kill, by brute force. It is of vital importance to find one common denominator in all these events – staged or politically implemented. That, so far, has been a massive reduction of Serbian presence anywhere short of immediate vicinity of Belgrade province (Beogradski pashaluk – province in Turkish). If the present trends continue the immediate vicinity of Belgrade province will be miniaturized even further.
The myth whereby “Albanians fought the Ottoman Turks” is unsustainable. The very word ARNAUT – even used in today’s modern Albanian vocabulary derives from the Turkish word for “stable boy” – horse cleaner. Albanians readily accepted Turks and even their greatest Hero Georgious Kastrioti (Skanderbeg) switched sides and religions several times. The history does not support much of favorable view on Albanian events (not to mention their quick alliance with the Fascist forces during WW2 – and other attrocities having resulted largely from Muslim practices (decapitation, polygamy, etc.)
27 Comment by Iliya Pavlovich on 7 July 2007:
Emperor Constatine was born in a Roman held, and Roman named town of Naisus – today’s Nis the very central Serbia proper. A blatant lie that Constatine had Albanian blood is equal to Julius Caesar having had British blood – since he had won all other lands but the British isles eluded him (and the Roman Empire) for some time to come. Albanian propensity towards blatant lies is evident in the replies here, as well. We can only imagine how difficult (closer to impossilbe) any negotiations are with people of that ilk. The obvious Fascist affiliations are downplayed in spite of much documented Fascist presence of various Albanian individuals. Even the recent activities of the KLA employed same Fascist methodology aided by virtues of Islamic decapitation and scorched Earth policy. The evidence is abundant and ever present – except to Albanian eyes. After all doesn’t Albanian nation already have a home (in Albania proper) unlike their Muslim brethern (the Palestinians) – they should feel free to go back to where they came from.
New “facts” get invented by the day, history gets a facelift and with all that “Albanian Pride” – I fail to see what could possibly be wrong if Eskimos lived on the North Pole or Albanians lived in Albania – nobody is trying to take over Albanian lands in spite of their great civilizational gifts to mankind. It was the Albanian forefathers (the Turks) who took away the Constantinopolis, renamed it into Istanbul, converted the Christian chruch into Hagia Sofia mosque. I don’t see much civility or orderly progress which easier to find among other nations. Nevermind the fact that today’s Interpol lists are dominated by Albanians who comprise over 70% of Europe’s most wanted criminals. Enugh said.
28 Comment by stefanaldo on 7 July 2007:
the word “Albanian” was first ever mentioned in the 12th century. you can easily look that up anywhere.
29 Comment by Simon Newman on 7 July 2007:
Did the USA really make a conscious decision in the 1990s to support genocide against the Serbian people? If so, what was the real motivation? Because Germany/the media/Bosnian emigres wanted it? To humiliate Russia? To curry favour with the Saudis? Or was it even more arbitrary than that, as this article suggests – to demonstrate America’s power to do whatever she wanted, no matter how little reason?
Compared to this, the 2003 Iraq invasion makes good sense – Iraq had actually done something to annoy America, albeit 12 years previously. To my knowledge the Serbs had never done anything to America.
30 Comment by Iliya Pavlovich on 8 July 2007:
Simon, the answer to your question covers a lot more than meets the eye.
No, Serbia has not done anything to annoy or offend the USA.
However the existence and pursuit of Eastern Orthodox Christianity is not viewed with great favor by the Roman Catholic world (with or without Vatican). Panama and Granada have equally done very little (if anything of substance) to “annoy” any great power, but they equally paid by being “disciplined”. Bosnian émigré was not a factor – however the Islam is and was a factor. Yes there is/was a need to pander to the oil rich Arab countries. This is not to say that Clinton administration was only obsessed with the unresolved Lewinsky issues. There were on-going concerns equally among the Nazi elements of Croatian subculture adding fuel to the fire of anti-Serbian sentiment, just so that the one third of Croatian land would be ethnically cleansed in an “acceptable manner”. The demise of the Soviet Union was never finalized in the eyes of the West. Ukraine’s endless crop (wheat, corn, etc.) was always interesting to potential aggressors (from Napoleon to Adolf). By showing your might on two small Central American countries a superpower can influence (force) all sorts of votes in its favor within all sorts of international bodies (U.N. etc. etc.), while completely in keeping with the Monroe doctrine. In plain language we get to know “who’s boss”. From the geopolitical view point we have three interesting factors: a) the Yalta conference has effectively partitioned former Yugoslavia in two – the East and the West; b) the geographic position of mountains of Serbia allows a clear view to the Baltic regions of Finland and Russian northern ports with only a modest elevation – no more need for U-2 flyovers; c) the natural resources of Zinc, Cadmium, coal, kryptonite etc. makes the ground of today’s Serbia highly desirable. The communist experiment left a lot of domestic issues unresolved or hidden out of plain view. We could see the pro-Soviet proponents as far west as Slovenia, but we equally had a strong pro-American view as far east as Negotin. This internal turmoil provided fertile grounds for any invasion – military or economic. A reasonably wealthy country that is so mismanaged certainly makes a good target for many of the foreign interests. From a purely ethnic viewpoint, Serbians never proved as good subjects to two conquering powers, the Ottomans and the Austro-Hungarians – this quality made Serbians a possible target for other self-appointed foster parents.
This view, even if it sounds exhausting and accurate barely represents 30% of the factors at play in the attempt to answer how the West attempted such an audacious project of conquering Serbian souls and lands.
31 Comment by Iliya Pavlovich on 8 July 2007:
Stefanaldo you seem to be running ahead of yourself. I did “easily look it up” and the results show: The oldest evidenced text in an albanian language is “Formula ë paleximit” (Formula for communion), translated from Latin in 8-11-1462 by the Montenegrin Pavle Angjelich, whom the Albanians have albanised with the name Pal Engylli. The first book in albanian is “Meshari” (The Book of Thoughts), a manual for religious sermons, dates from 1555 and is written by the Croatian Ivan Buzuk and published in Montenegro.
Seems like most Albanian sources on Albanian virtues and history are rather questionable.
32 Comment by 1389 on 8 July 2007:
Partition is NOT acceptable. All of Kosovo belongs to Serbia.
Anybody who doesn’t like it should not have infiltrated Kosovo to begin with, and should go back whence they came.
Jihadists, whether in Kosovo, in Albania, or anywhere else, are enemies of Judaeo-Christian civilization and of all sentient life. It is futile and dangerous to negotiate with jihadists because they are not only permitted, but also obligated, to lie. The only appropriate response to jihadists is to defeat them so thoroughly that nobody will ever make a serious attempt to try it again.
BTW, for more about jihadism in the Balkans, please see:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/07/ending_the_balkan_quagmire_at.html
http://www.byzantinesacredart.com/blog
http://foehammer.net/
33 Comment by stefanaldo on 8 July 2007:
you are right, my typo error, i meant to right down the 16th century.
see Albanian origins anywhere
First mentions;
The word Shqipetar by which Albanians today refer to themselves was recorded for the first time in the 14th century, and it appears to have originally been a family name in the city of Berat.
The first known use of the word Albanian to refer to them was in 1595 by Marco Gini.[1]
34 Comment by Iliya Pavlovich on 9 July 2007:
The first mentions of Shqipetars, Arnauts or any other Albanians came hundreds of years after the Serbians had lived on that same land. Even the small Christian enclaves within Nothern Albania (Skadar) were slowly eliminated, removed and no longer present any Christian showing in Albania proper. Obviously Kosovo will be de-Christianized once if it ever falls under Albanian administration.
Exactly like during the time of the Nazis and Communists, the one who cries about crimes of others is the one having committed most crimes. With the Albanian Islamo-Fascist tendencies we can easily conclude that Christians, Jews and other non-acquiescent elements will be cleansed – removed.
It’s a shame that the NATO’s aggression was fought exactly to prevent the “ethnic cleansing” – but that must be only because the NATO forces must be able to foresee future events.
35 Comment by Iliya Pavlovich on 9 July 2007:
It seems that Albanians were just east of Armenia at the southern end of the Caspian Sea. I have never been able to divorce ethnicity from geography and religion and I don’t disagree with thinkers who often find commonalities on account of those elements. Considering all the elements, if this is accurate – I have no way of double-checking, that in, and of itself, would clarify Albanian Asiatic origin and their propensity towards European land-grab along with pro-Islamo-Fascist belief systems. See for yourself:
http://www.euratlas.com/time/sea0200.htm
The Greeks are not terribly happy about Albanians trying to impinge on the northern Greece either. Their presence in Europe has never ever been to anyone’s benefit (excluding the Turks).
36 Comment by gjoni on 9 July 2007:
That is your map man.!!!Go to wikipidia and check the spelling.If you are lazy to do so I tell you .,one of the spellinng is aphgania whitch in case you don,t know ,is not the same like Albania.Ha……ha…ha…ha..ha,ha,hahaaaaaaaaa.
37 Comment by gjoni on 9 July 2007:
wikipedia+caucasian albania
38 Comment by gjoni on 9 July 2007:
RESPONSE TO AZTEC: YOU SMART ASS: didn,t MILLOSHEVCH and his croneis dissarmed A lbanians through their police tactics up to the bread knife, didn,t they take by force any fire arms they could and left the Albanians bare handed. How could they fight your rusian made and donated military machine? Now IS A DIFFERENT STORY. But anyway did you ever asked yourself how we got so much international support? The truth was in our side,and this time came out through independent sources not Serbian ones.Somebody mentioned our standard of living: It is three times of that Serbian ones.Check CIA FACT BOOK ON THE INTERNET AND YOU GET THE ANSWER.Cheers!………..Ha…HA……ha
39 Comment by Boba Borojevic on 9 July 2007:
To GJONI 39 –
The fact that Kosovo-Metohija is, and has been, an integral part of Serbia, an internationally recognized sovereign state and the fact that in spite of that Squiptars/Albanians were illegally armed and had an organized terrorist army (KLA) on the Serbian soil, speaks about Serbia’s “tolerance” and carelessness!
Imagine what the US would do to the Albanians had the KLA organized its terrorist army units in any of America’s states.
I’ll tell you what the US would do – remember Waco Massacre in Texas?
http://www.serendipity.li/waco.html
40 Comment by gjoni on 9 July 2007:
Bora! WACO was an accident.No dout a horrible accident.In no way Usa PUNISH anybody on their religion beleives. If they wanted a religion purity there was no place here for 6mil muslims, I dont know how many hindus,but many,many,many,,,budhists etc…As for SERBIAN tolerance we saw it in Vukovar,Srebenica,RECAK..THE dead speak for themselfes.300.000.dead.They were people too.And no Serbian remorse too.How many arms albanian had. 5000.they were no match for 5000 serbian tanks.But we saw something else in this war.We saw how heroic the serbians are when they have a equally armed foe.Remember Krajina after Croats armed?WHere WERE you heroik SERBS? On the run. AND RUN FAST. Why didn,t you go and help them? Answer: THere were equally armed Croats there. And serbs know what that mean?
41 Comment by gjoni on 9 July 2007:
And one more thing.It is not going to be Kosovo and Metohija.Correct your geography book.It once again going to be what it was DARDANIA(the land of pears) even though there are no pears left since Serbs came.We are going to plant them again.CHEERS!!!!!
42 Comment by stefanaldo on 9 July 2007:
why are albanians always prone to inventing their history???
why are they so insecure?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism_and_archaeology
Nationalism and ancient history
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(Redirected from Nationalism and archaeology)
It has been suggested that this article or section be merged with Historiography and nationalism. (Discuss)
Nationalist ideologies frequently employ results of archaeology, ancient history and historical linguistics as propaganda, often significantly distorting them to fit their aims, cultivating national mythologies and national mysticism.
Frequently this involves the uncritical identification of one’s own ethnic group with some ancient or even prehistoric (known only archaeologically) group (”antiquity frenzy”, a term coined by the ‘Warring States Project’ of the University of Massachusetts). For the ideological implications of such identifications, it is secondary whether mainstream scholarship does accept as plausible or reject as pseudoarchaeology the historical derivation of a contemporary group from an ancient one. The decisive point is the ideology, often assumed implicitly, that it is possible to derive nationalist or ethnic pride from a population that lived millennia ago and, being known only archaeologically or epigraphically, is not remembered in living tradition.
Examples include Albanians claiming as their origin the Illyrians, Bulgarians claiming identity with the Thracians, Iraqi propaganda invoking Sumer or Babylonia, Georgians claiming as their origin the Mushki, or Hindu nationalists claiming as their origin the Indus Valley Civilization — all of the mentioned groups being known only from either ancient historiographers or archaeology. In extreme cases, nationalists will ignore the process of ethnogenesis altogether and claim ethnic identity of their own group with some scarcely attested ancient ethnicity known to scholarship by the chances of textual transmission or archaeological excavation. While such simplistic views are often harmless popularisations of history, they have led to catastrophic results in the past, in the worst case ending in genocide; most notable is the case of the Nazi concept of an ancient “Aryan” ethnic essence, but most other instances of ethnic cleansing known to history were fuelled by similarly naive concepts of ethnic history
43 Comment by Iliya Pavlovich on 10 July 2007:
How obvious can it be?
Even within the confines of this forum the Albanians are showing their propensity towards violence and belligerence. The pro-Albanian views are expressed groundlessly in a purely argumentative fashion, lacking even the most modest civility – but on the other hand being very consistent with the Islamo-Fascist approach evident elsewhere in the world. The facts are being dismissed out of hand – no grounds are ever given, one way solutions keep being introduced as if Albanians were parachuted by God Almighty into the Kosovo bequeathed to them. Even in this modest exchange it has been concluded that Albanians first presence on European soil was documented only from 14th, 15th and/or 16th century, respectively. If this ethnic group ever had a claim on any lands (including the Albania proper land), there would be some archeological evidence, jars, pottery, coins – anything to indicate their presence. However it is more likely that Albanians were an administrative decision that came to exist exactly as the Turks (Ottoman Turks) who never left European soil around 1912, as a result of failures of the Berlin congress, by amputating Epiros from the northern Greece and portions of South Western Serbia. Even at the very south of today’s Albania there are towns with Serbian names. As it has been established without any dispute (strangely enough) even from the Albanian sources, tsar Stevan Dusan Silni (the tsar of Serbians and Greeks) had ruled this entire region including northern Greece to the city of Thessaloniki. At the very south of Albania there are towns with names of Leskovik and Livade, pure Serbian words – and that far south from Serbia proper? Hardly imaginable. It’s strange how the appetite grows in the opposite proportion. The less Albanians are “entitled”, or thought as rightful residents of those lands the more land-grab gets to be pronounced. One can suppose this is quite logical as there is an absolute absence of Albanian presence (culture, writings, pottery, jars, coins) in this entire area prior to the arrival of the Ottoman Turks (14th century).
44 Comment by Iliya Pavlovich on 10 July 2007:
Aside from the Interpol’s showing that over 70% of the most wanted criminals in Europe are Albanians – their recent inclusion into European family of nations was deemed as a conflict from the very first day. The invention of Albania is probably the worst day in European history. This is an exact copy of available documents: The Establishment of the Principality
of Albania, 1912-1913.
1. THE LONDON CONFERENCE OF AMBASSADORS AND ALBANIA.
The principality of Albania was established by act of the powers at the London Conference of Ambassadors at the special instigation of Austria and Italy. Its boundaries were to be established on ethnographic lines by an international commission. The new situation inherited two problems from the one previous to 1912. (1) The hostile relations between Serbia and the Albanians owing to the incursions into Serbian territory of Albanian bands and the soreness in Serbia on account of the refusal of the Conference of Ambassadors to grant her access to the Adriatic through Albania. (2) The status of the Greeks in Epirus, provisionally included in Albania and constituting a source of difficulty between Greece, Albania, and the powers.
In simpler terms “Johnny-come-lately” grows up and tries to bite more than he can chew. There is hardly any need to explain any additional details to the people that were “created” in 1912 – it just so happens that the last Turks to be defeated in Macedonia and Greece took place during the same year.
45 Comment by gjoni on 10 July 2007:
Ilija !I don,t know what kind of sources you have to get information. The whole world knows that #1 mafia in present , is Rusian one, ruthles,organised, armed, so strong that some put it ahead of the American army. Albanian mafia if it really exist, is so insignificant that in mafia ranks might have the last place.The 1900 history you are talking about ,is the history when Rusia was a big fish, and was doing favours with Albanian lands to its orthodox Serbian and Greek brothers. Now RUSIA , is at its best a medium Europian power, no longer significant in word affairs.It will be so for time being.China is rising, a significant territorial threat to Rusians,so is INDIA ang Iran. Next 25 years Irans population will be equal of the Rusian , so will be that of Turkey.The future of Rusian federation is that of Yugoslavia, desintegration and dissapearance.So you will be without a big helping brother.No real chance of returning to Kosova for eternity. As for your doubts of Illyrian origins of ALBANIANS take a look to Enciklopedia Britanica, since a SERBIAN enciklopedia doesnt exist, and you get the answer, and if you dont like the answer serve yourself a lemonade to cool off. I CAN write a lot about world affairs to educate you, but I am not sure to your ability to understand that, since with your so far writting it appears, you read backward.Cheers!!!!
46 Comment by JOHN on 10 July 2007:
Ilija !I don,t know what kind of sources you have to get information. The whole world knows that #1 mafia in present , is Rusian one, ruthles,organised, armed, so strong that some put it ahead of the American army. Albanian mafia if it really exist, is so insignificant that in mafia ranks might have the last place.The 1900 history you are talking about ,is the history when Rusia was a big fish, and was doing favours with Albanian lands to its orthodox Serbian and Greek brothers. Now RUSIA , is at its best a medium Europian power, no longer significant in word affairs.It will be so for time being.China is rising, a significant territorial threat to Rusians,so is INDIA ang Iran. Next 25 years Irans population will be equal of the Rusian , so will be that of Turkey.The future of Rusian federation is that of Yugoslavia, desintegration and dissapearance.So you will be without a big helping brother.No real chance of returning to Kosova for eternity. As for your doubts of Illyrian origins of ALBANIANS take a look to Enciklopedia Britanica, since a SERBIAN enciklopedia doesnt exist, and you get the answer, and if you dont like the answer serve yourself a lemonade to cool off. I CAN write a lot about world affairs to educate you, but I am not sure to your ability to understand that, since with your so far writting it appears, you read backward.Cheers!!!!
47 Comment by JOHN on 10 July 2007:
# 47 SHOULD BE IGNORED. IT,S ME UNDER DIFFERENT SIGNATURE
48 Comment by JOHN on 10 July 2007:
As for the status of Greek Epiros that will be solved too.With Turkeys population heading to 100 milion to the next 30 years, their need for expansion will be inevitable, and Greece is one of favoured directions to do so. With a population of 100 milion turks to a 10 mill GREEKS, one doesnt need to be a rocket scientist to know who will win. And once again a minaret will be erected , right where it was in year 1800,Acropolis. So greek epiros will be once again what it has allways been, Albanian epiros.This time mother Rusia can do Nothing since itself is heading to be a dead horse ,a corrupt cleptokracy, with huge ethnic problems.Needless to say America is not going to rush to their defence, since there wild antiamericanism is well known,SERBS can,t help ,since Albanians in Ballkans will be 3 times that of Serbians, so Greeks will be a sad history, or proud TURKS eather way you prefer,.IF anyone need more explanation please fill free and ask me,I will be happy to explain it.
49 Comment by Iliya Pavlovich on 10 July 2007:
John (with or without mistakes), you wanted sources?
I’ll give you an overview, you may select to find out who these people are (by ethnicity) but their names alone suggest (to me) a very probable Albanian origin.
Neither you, nor I are any good in mathematics. Let’s try to find a more accurate number of Albanian criminals by using unbiased and international sources – agreed? Good. Here we go.
Albanian criminals exceeding the modest number of four, according to the Austrian Interpol: MORINA Drilon, REXHEPAJ Nazif, THERQAJ Ardian, GECAJ Ded, Spahiu Leonard, Hajredini Gentjan, MALAJ Arlind, LATIFI Lulzim, GURGUROVCI Ibrahim, ZYMERI Rrahim, AMETAJ Sabit, FRROKU Lek
Of the 11.398 recruits listed for the Division, 9.275 were ascertained to be suitable to draft in the Waffen SS. Of those suitable to be drafted, 6.491 Albanian were chosen and inducted into the Skanderbeg Division. To this Albanian core were added veteran German troops primarily Reichdeutsche from Austria and Volkdeutcshe officers, NCOs, and enlisted men, transferred from the 7th SS Mountain Division “Prinz Eugen” which was stationed in Bosnia-Hercegovina. The Kosovo Albanian 21st Waffen Gebirgs Division der SS “Skanderbeg” consisted in total of 8.500 – 9.000 men of all ranks. The 6.491 Shqiptar recruits were assembled at depots in Kosovo where the formation and the training of the division began.
Any more questions about the most wanted criminals of Europe? Or do you now intend to call these named people “a few bad apples” – (that has been the most popular view held by Albanians) trouble is there are a lot bad apples and the predominantly hostile (and beligerent) views expressed here are eveidence enough of Albanian lack of civility, no desire to even consider themselves the Turkish remnants – as Mr. Malic worded it not too long ago – at the time of a strong anti-Islamic seniment in Serbia (1800s not 1900) the only remaining Turks in the Balkans – were Albanians – so no need to attempt to peddle the view that “we brought Christianity” as one of your compatriots stated here, in a poor attempt to Albanize emperor Constantine. Sources are numerous as much as they are beyond reproach and no Albanian agit-prop can ever change these facts – those happen to be in the public domain and anybody can research them to their heart’s content.
50 Comment by Iliya Pavlovich on 10 July 2007:
What? No answer from John? I thought John wanted to see the facts, so I went to all that trouble searching the Interpol site for nothing? Was that a bluff? Now John does not care to comment? Or has “John” found some other “historical fact”? I am sick and tired of the overt Albanian hostility and the only way to answer is with pure facts in a direct foreful measure. Facts can not be falsified as easily as the Albanians think.
I didn’t even begin to address the issues of drug trafficking and white slavery (main source of income for the pious, generous, kind and loving Albanians in Kosovo and out of KosovO). If you ever need more facts, just post your question, I have tons of dirt on Albanian crimes (past and present).
51 Comment by Iliya Pavlovich on 10 July 2007:
One good source for Albanian Johnny (or gjoni) will be from the article titled “The Albanian Racism Towards its Neighbours is Based on Historical Falsifications” – the source is an Albanian person named Persecuted Albanian Academic Professor Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich – feel free to explore.
52 Comment by JOHN on 10 July 2007:
Iliya! I AM STARTING TO LIKE YOU. I NEVER SAID we dont have criminals.We do. They are smart,in a negative way,as it was Arkan. Wasn,t he playing with serbian nacionalist, wasn,t he mobilising hard core serbian criminals ,that Miloshevich send in Kosova to butcher kids and vulnerable woman ,in name of fatherland? Yes he was. Do I HAVE THE RIGHT TO PUT ALL SERBS IN HIS COMPANY? No I don,t. Not all serbs are criminals.Only 99% are. You seem to belong to 1% left. As for Albanian narcis in Kosova I explained it.1940 serbian state was a fashist one.It didn,t make the internatinal news because had no strength, but the ideology was the same.Have you heard of Vasa CUBRILOVITCH. I am not sure if I spell his name correct. But his ideology for killing and exterminating Albanians made Hitler look humanist. And that was the ideology that serbian state was following .I am sure Hitler didn,t think of us as a good race,and had not better view of us than he had for the rest of the world, but at list he didn,t say anything in writting as Chubrilovich did, so joining Germans made sense,when you think of RUTHLES serbian fashism, THEIR capabilities for unspeakble crimes,their abilities for blood sucking.As for Resulovitch he is a mercenary. You are a smart man ,you know what mercenarys are capable of doing,they kill their mother ,let alone the rest.Kapllan kills.If you know him stay away, HE doesnt like his own kind., he cant like other kinds. I will answer you anytime I am available, because I have to work to.
53 Comment by Iliya Pavlovich on 11 July 2007:
Do me a favor John – don’t do me any favors, or better yet – don’t like me.
I despise hypocrisy, such as yours. First Albanian are all saints, they brought Christianity to the remainder of the world.
Once that lie has been discredited, you start a completely different lie claiming that Albanians are peace-loving, non-aggressive, non-criminal. You asked for sources. I showed you sources whereby 80% of most wanted criminals in today’s Austria are Albanians, I didn’t bother with Italy (75%), Greece (85%), U.K. (60%). All the astronomical criminal presence does not include white slavery and drug trafficking conducted from KosovO and Albania (who gave Osama an Albanian home, where he often visited). No, we will not play any more games.
Each time your arguments are proved patently false (which I suspect you knew all along), you start up a new topic, with no answer to why you lied so blatantly in your prior posts – that makes you a person not worthy of addressing. Among the sources you asked for is even an Albanian professor that you Albanians seem to be persecuting.
The facts normally have this stubborn little side to them – they can’t be changed, they are readily available, easily verifiable, undisputed.
54 Comment by JOHN on 11 July 2007:
Iliya! What facts you do not get? Open history books to the time of Costandine the Great.You will learn that he was working for Rome, employed as Emperor, came from the city of Nish in todays Serbia,BUT was not serbian ,since he reigned at 4-5 century and Serbians were home in todays Rusia.YOU came there exactly 400 years later.The inhabitants of 4 century Nish, including Costandine were Illyrians(the forefathers of today Albanians).So he was Albanian to. He is remembered and adored for making christianity the only offical relegion of todays west by force.Another source where you can look is ENCIKLOPEDIA Britanica, the part that deals with Costandine.So remember the Albanian ,Costandine the Great is the only person responsable for planting christianity in Europe.Without him you might have been today a muhajeeden(I dont know the correct spelling) or a very proud turk. Instead you are a proud orthodox. As for mafia again: your Rusian cousins are unbeateble. The strongest mafia ever. They are in posesion of polonium,uranium, big money and a very strong leader( Putin is his name in case you dont know)As for Kapllan: I explained to you he is a mercenary.He has no principles.He talks for money.THIS IS nothing new.The French have the whole their army with mercenarys.The whole criminals go there and get trained to serve French interests.They come from all over.Do you think they love France? No.They are there for money .Gatovina was there the croatian guy who killed SERBS. Why was he there, for France? Yuo know the answer.Kapllan is of the same stock, born mercenary.They are used for as long as they are needed and then thrown away.
55 Comment by Iliya Pavlovich on 11 July 2007:
For the longest time, I had resisted thinking that Albanians are inferior to other people in any way – but Gjoni went out of his way to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Albanians are either genetically deficient or deviant in some other way.
First Gjoni asks for sources (never does it provide its own sources blaming Russians) – once I provided sources it changes the topic. – FATAL FLAW 1
Second gjoni keeps changing names and posts – treachery and lies – FATAL FLAW 2
Third gjoni ignores any and all arguments it asked for in the prior posts, showing absolute inability to conduct any two way conversation – FATAL FLAW 3 – borders on insanity.
The presence of such people is exactly what brought the terrible wrath on all of Albania – which never had any allies as a country, it was always the bottomless pit of the world – and there it will stay. Thank God there are people like this gjoni who only prove beyond any doubt that Albanians are both immature, un-intelligent, trecherous, liars who are unable to hold a conversation – let alone run a country.
56 Comment by Iliya Pavlovich on 11 July 2007:
What if:
a) Encyclopedia Britanica is not the only authoritative source of history?
b) Byzantine Emperor’s name was CONSTANTINE, not Constadine?
c) There were Serbian tribes that lived in and around the town of Sindidun (mispronounced as Singidunum) 600 years before the bith of Christ, and intermarried with the invading Celtic tribes (Scordics)?
d) There never, ever was a war of agression started by any of the Slavic tribes – as long as they have been on Earth?
e) throughout their history Albanians (mostly Muslims) didn’t have more than one or two chruches in their own country in spite of claiming to be Christians?
f) the Albanians were always on the wrong side of every major war, and always lost those wars – along with their paymasters (the Turks)?
57 Comment by JOHN on 11 July 2007:
To Iliya! This is my last post to this blog. It is not worth talking to the wall.Eciklopedia Britanica not a authoritative source? It is written by the best proffesors in their particular field of writting.That is the most trusted source available,since none of us has acces to the original historical books.Those books are kept to national arkives of Italy or Greece.The hitorical books cooked in Rusian or Serbian kitchens, are worth only in the bathrooms, when one runs out of higenical paper, as long as the paper is soft. I am glad you are opening yourself,. .Albanians geneticaly inferior to the Serbs. The same thing was Chubrilovich saying, SO was Hitler in relation with Germans. It seems like you are born with fashist ideas and you are no exception from the mentor Miloshevich. It is sad not for what you saing, but for the fact that fashists have all one destiny, the historical death. I like your sense of humor though, particular the joke that Serbians were in Ballkans 600 yrs B.C. Such a funny joke.I am still laughing. I bet you work in a comedy club. Keep up the good work.As for albanians If we are smart or no, I suggest you to sleep sound, we never said we are chosen people,never said the best, we said we are like the rest of the crowd,. but we don,t follow anybody even if they are smart serbs. Even though we have done historical mistakes we are on the right track to recover the Serbian occupied lands in Eastern Kosova(you know are still 500.000 Albanians under occupation IN Presheva and surroundings and god willing ,we recover them soon,I am not sure if vojvodina wants INDEPENDENCE, but i assure you SANDZAK is looking for it.You guys are so horrible that anyone in the region WANT TO GET AWAY OF YOU. I will stop here. Good night
58 Comment by stefanaldo on 11 July 2007:
johnny, you are the best asset the serbs have. idiot liars who make themselves look like fools. oh and guess what; as we speak KOSOVO IS SERBIA!!! albaniancs have been saying “not for much longer” for 9 years almost now, hahahahah you sacrificed your own people for nothing!
59 Comment by Iliya Pavlovich on 12 July 2007:
There is yet another possibility, since gjoni is so dreadfully stupid and damaging to Albanian interest – it actually might be a Serbian implant (mole) posting world’s worst gook in order to prove how Albanians can’t think their way out of a paper bag. One way or another the poster under that name is suffering from a high clinical case of self delusions. Kosovo does remain Serbia exactly because there are morons like this representing the interestes of Muslims. How in the name of truth could Albanians claim to be christians when there isn’t one single church in all of Albania? 9 out of 10 times their views and arguments are outright lies and fabrications. Just imagine a poor dolt learning from Encyclopedia Britanica and spelling Costadine – pretty indicative of the pre-kindergarden IQ level-knowledge.
60 Comment by Basudev Dahal on 8 August 2007:
hello sir,
Me from a beautiful south Asian Country Nepal.You might have listen the name of my country.We Nepalese people believe in peace & we don’t want battle around the world. I think the battle of power is just nothing. so i don’t wanna comment on inter national battle of so called power & proud.but i’d like to call you to visit this beautiful country in your vaccasions. then you will start thinking something new.
61 Comment by Alban Ziguri on 26 August 2007:
Sorry to say but I have read parts of the article only. It was so boring! It repeated the same old stale theses that the articles on the Kosova issue on this website dish up to the readers.
Instead, I have read your posts, which are mainly comments on the comments rather than on the article. Concentrate on the article, please. If you don’t, I am sure you must have experienced the same feeling as mine, which is why, you are attracted to what each of you says or makes up.
In my opinion, Gjoni is absolutely right in what he is writing about, despite his style. Others’ reaction to his comments are also understandable. This is what happens when you hear things that you have never heard before. This depends on what you have been educated with, what you have read and what propaganda you have been subject to. I think it’s nobody’s fault.
That the Illyrians are the forefathers of today’s Albanians is true beyond any doubt /see: http://members.lycos.co.uk/illyrians/ Arguments, no matter how they are presented, should not be disregarded out of hand because somebody has not heard or read about them before. Every argument, despite the source, should be taken seriously. This is what I always do, no matter how it is worded or who dishes it up to us, be it the “famous” I.P. [the initials of Iliya Pavlovich, used by a reader who posts his/her comments on this website] or somebody else.
As to the names ‘Albania’ and ‘Albanians’, I would say that they derive from ‘Arber’ [the name of an ancient Illyrian tribe] or ‘Arberia’ [the country of the Arbers, the Albanians]. These terms are used by foreigners to denote the country of the Albanians and the Albanians themselves. Such names are relatively new and have gone through a process of evolution.
The change of nations’ names through the ages is not a new phenomenon. The inhabitants of today’s Greece, for instance, were not always called Greeks. The denomination ‘Greek’ is relatively new. Or, let’s take the name of the country of the Serbs, ‘Serbia’. Until the 1930s, Serbia was called ‘Servia’ and the Serbs were called ‘Servians’ from the Latin word ‘servus’ meaning ‘servants’, or ‘slaves’. The terms ‘Servia’ and ‘Servians’ make sense because the Serbs came to the Balkans as mercenaries, namely, as servants of the Byzantine emperor in 630 AD. And the Servians (servants) settled in part of Illyrian territories, which we call Serbia. Why do we say ‘Serbia’ and not ‘Servia’, today? In 17th and early 20th century English works, the country was often referred to as ‘Servia’. The usage of this term offended the Serbs because “Servia”, as already said, linked the Serbs to the Latin ’servus’, a slave or a servant. Because of the protests by Serbs, the British press stopped using the term by the 1930s, because, as can be seen, it was too offensive to the Serbs.
The other Slavs (Croats, Slovenes, Bosnians) had settled in other parts of Illyria not long before the Serbs set foot on Balkan soil. They mingled with the Illyrian local population and today, we have such names as Croats, Slovenes and Bosnians (Muslim, Catholic or Orthodox), the product of the then admixture of the local population and the new comers.
As regards Constantine the Great, he hailed from today’s Nish (Naisus) located in Serbia. Since Nish is in Serbia, it does not mean that he was Serbian and not Illyrian. Things are not as simple as that. In his time, the Serbs were still living in Asia. Since the majority of scholars consider the Albanians to be descendants of the Illyrians, we may as well say that Constantine the Great who made Christianity the official religion of the Empire, must have been Albanian. But this does not exclude other options. For example, he might have come to Naisus from Allemagne, Galia, the British Isles, Normandy, the Alps of Switzerland or from the Baikal Lake area, the original location of the Servians. Nothing can be ruled out. The question is: How can you prove that he was not Illyrian and that the Albanians are not the descendants of the Illyrian population that lived in what until recently was called Yugoslavia? You can in no way rely on hearsay or wishful thinking. Far from it.
Don’t blame others when they say something you don’t know. Blame yourself for not knowing it.
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63 Comment by Slobodan on 3 March 2008:
That region was made of tribes. People went by their tribal names.
Explorers and conquestors gave the region the name of Illyria, not Serbs or Albanians. They are a product of conquests and racial mixture. None can claim it their country… only families that have deep roots in the region if any.
Explorers and conquestors exploited the “Illyrian” people which caused tribes to unite against other uniting tribes at the distance. Divide and conquer!
Countries where then formed by their regional names, then came governments.
Governments helped other governments. They kill their own people. This is the end of your race and nationality because your government is about its wealth and not who you are or where you originated from.
Kosovo’s flag is not Albanian, its a colony of the European Union or NATO or U.S.
Kosovo is a product of U.S. colonizing. Don’t be surprised if a missle site is going to be developed there and Poland.
People are stupid!