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		<title>Comment on After the Fall by Nicholas MOSES</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas MOSES</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 09:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have to take back what I said. Their comment approval chronology is a bit bizarre. Beyond that I will stay mum, I think.

But back to the original article. After King Constantine was ousted, he sensibly said that the Greek people should be left to enjoy their republic if that is what they want. What is more surprising is that he would want to hold citizenship under a state that so weirdly rejected him so openly. One supposes he has his reasons, and is a bigger man than I.

The naked truth is that, as the dolly of Hollywood and the post-national cadre, Barack Obama is a very fitting president for what the U.S. is becoming, what His Honor has just described. One can be understood for re-evaluating what it is to be an American and asking whether there is any outlet for the healthy expression of such.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to take back what I said. Their comment approval chronology is a bit bizarre. Beyond that I will stay mum, I think.</p>
<p>But back to the original article. After King Constantine was ousted, he sensibly said that the Greek people should be left to enjoy their republic if that is what they want. What is more surprising is that he would want to hold citizenship under a state that so weirdly rejected him so openly. One supposes he has his reasons, and is a bigger man than I.</p>
<p>The naked truth is that, as the dolly of Hollywood and the post-national cadre, Barack Obama is a very fitting president for what the U.S. is becoming, what His Honor has just described. One can be understood for re-evaluating what it is to be an American and asking whether there is any outlet for the healthy expression of such.</p>
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		<title>Comment on After the Fall by Judge Bartley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judge Bartley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 00:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on After the Fall by Gilbert Jacobi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gilbert Jacobi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 May 2013 22:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr. Moses,
I beat you to it; AmCon began protecting their readers&#039; sensibilities from me several months ago, just about the time of the hiring of Milman and other cantors in the Israeli-American choir.  I&#039;m going now to look up your latest naughtiness.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Moses,<br />
I beat you to it; AmCon began protecting their readers' sensibilities from me several months ago, just about the time of the hiring of Milman and other cantors in the Israeli-American choir.  I'm going now to look up your latest naughtiness.</p>
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		<title>Comment on After the Fall by Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 20:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re not the only one Nick. I too was banned from TAC after making one too many snide remarks about Rod Dreher.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You're not the only one Nick. I too was banned from TAC after making one too many snide remarks about Rod Dreher.</p>
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		<title>Comment on After the Fall by robert reavis</title>
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		<dc:creator>robert reavis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 15:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nick,
 It is a mark of honor. I regret posting that the Archbishop 
 &quot;sipped Hemlock&quot; while the beast roared, he may very well be a courageous man for all I know. 

 Here is a churchmen who still speaks with the confidence of wonder and truth : 


 &quot;The Syriac Catholic patriarch said events in Syria were the result of Western nations carrying out a geopolitical strategy &quot;to split Syria and other countries&quot; in the Middle East.

&quot;It&#039;s not a question of promoting democracy or pluralism as the West wants us to understand of its policies. This is a lie, this is hypocrisy,&quot; Syriac Patriarch Ignatius Joseph III Younan told Catholic News Service.

Western nations did not heed warnings and so &quot;bear responsibility for what is happening in Syria.&quot;

&quot;We were warning all those involved, the countries in the region and in the West -- that means the United States and some of the European Union countries, like the United Kingdom and France -- that this kind of violence would lead to chaos and the chaos to a civil war,&quot; Patriarch Younan said. &quot;And at that time, two years ago, they chose not to believe that.&quot;


The United States and Russia were calling for an international conference on Syria in Geneva at the end of May, but U.S. President Barack Obama was said to be considering arming rebel groups as war intensified in certain parts of Syria. 

&quot;Since the beginning, they (Western nations) just stood against the regime, calling it a dictatorship, saying the dictatorship must fall. Now it&#039;s over 25 months, the conflict is getting worse, and the ones who are paying the price are the innocent people,&quot; said Patriarch Younan, leader of nearly 40,000 Syriac Catholics in Syria.

He said the morale of Christians in Syria is &quot;very, very low.&quot; 

Patriarch Younan, who served for 14 years as bishop of the New Jersey-based Diocese of Our Lady of Deliverance for Syriac Catholics in the United States and Canada, was elected patriarch of the Syriac Catholic Church in January 2009. He and other Eastern Catholic patriarchs in Lebanon have repeatedly warned against toppling Assad, calling instead for dialogue to solve the crisis in the country.

The patriarch emphasized that &quot;we are not siding either with Assad or with his regime. We are with the Syrian people, and our concern is how can we get this country (Syria) back on its feet for the sake of the population.

&quot;We are accused of siding with the (Syrian) regime. This is not the truth,&quot; he said. &quot;Sure, we did say from the beginning, this regime has to make reforms, true reforms, both political and in the area of civil liberties.&quot;

But the patriarch said that does not mean ousting the regime is the solution, because it could then be replaced with fundamentalist groups, as church leaders had warned, citing Libya and Egypt and other countries of the Arab Spring.

&quot;We are not politicians,&quot; the patriarch said. &quot;We just want our people to be able to stay in their own country and to live peacefully with others, and we want true civil rights and religious liberty.&quot;

He said Western nations must look at what happened in Iraq, which still suffers from confessional conflicts, killings, bombings and kidnappings and has already experienced the exodus of more than 50 percent of its Christians.

The patriarch described the situation in his native province of Hassake as &quot;very critical&quot; and said Christians were being pressured to leave the area.

&quot;People live in fear. They fear kidnapping and killing, and many of the Christians just want to get out in whatever way they can,&quot; he said.

&quot;It&#039;s very sad to say that there is no hope for the future for the young generations, all because of the lasting conflict, and the West bears the responsibility of this conflict.&quot;

He said Western nations encouraged conflict in the Mideast &quot;in the name of the so-called awakening of people, of democracy,&quot; adding that &quot;the so-called Western democracy&quot; cannot be exported to countries that still look at religion as a base for ruling their regimes or political life. 

Those attempts over the past 20 years to bring so-called democracy in the region, he said, instead were not for the good welfare of the Christians in the Middle East and &quot;were very much harming our very existence.&quot;

&quot;And for us Middle Eastern Christians, the faith means a lot. For us, religious liberties come first, otherwise we would not have been surviving for centuries in this area. Western leaders don&#039;t want to understand this,&quot; Patriarch Younan said.

&quot;Christians in the Middle East have been not only abandoned, but we have been lied to and betrayed by Western nations, like the United States and the European Union,&quot; he said.

&quot;And I believe there will be a time coming when the Christians of the Middle East will no longer look to the West for support and perhaps to better strengthen their roots with the Eastern culture and civilization. They are better to look to the East, to ... Russia, to India, to China,&quot; he said.

The patriarch said he had no news of two Orthodox bishops kidnapped April 22, but said the United States was &quot;very able to get the news if they want to.&quot;

When asked if he considered the bishops&#039; kidnapping a message to Christians, the patriarch replied, &quot;How can it be otherwise?&quot; The incident, he said, makes Christians in Syria more fearful and desperate to flee.


The number of Syrian refugees in Lebanon already is more than 1 million, equal to one quarter of Lebanon&#039;s population. Every day, Patriarch Younan said, Christian families from Syria who have left everything behind, come to the patriarchate in Beirut seeking refuge.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick,<br />
 It is a mark of honor. I regret posting that the Archbishop<br />
 "sipped Hemlock" while the beast roared, he may very well be a courageous man for all I know. </p>
<p> Here is a churchmen who still speaks with the confidence of wonder and truth : </p>
<p> "The Syriac Catholic patriarch said events in Syria were the result of Western nations carrying out a geopolitical strategy "to split Syria and other countries" in the Middle East.</p>
<p>"It's not a question of promoting democracy or pluralism as the West wants us to understand of its policies. This is a lie, this is hypocrisy," Syriac Patriarch Ignatius Joseph III Younan told Catholic News Service.</p>
<p>Western nations did not heed warnings and so "bear responsibility for what is happening in Syria."</p>
<p>"We were warning all those involved, the countries in the region and in the West -- that means the United States and some of the European Union countries, like the United Kingdom and France -- that this kind of violence would lead to chaos and the chaos to a civil war," Patriarch Younan said. "And at that time, two years ago, they chose not to believe that."</p>
<p>The United States and Russia were calling for an international conference on Syria in Geneva at the end of May, but U.S. President Barack Obama was said to be considering arming rebel groups as war intensified in certain parts of Syria. </p>
<p>"Since the beginning, they (Western nations) just stood against the regime, calling it a dictatorship, saying the dictatorship must fall. Now it's over 25 months, the conflict is getting worse, and the ones who are paying the price are the innocent people," said Patriarch Younan, leader of nearly 40,000 Syriac Catholics in Syria.</p>
<p>He said the morale of Christians in Syria is "very, very low." </p>
<p>Patriarch Younan, who served for 14 years as bishop of the New Jersey-based Diocese of Our Lady of Deliverance for Syriac Catholics in the United States and Canada, was elected patriarch of the Syriac Catholic Church in January 2009. He and other Eastern Catholic patriarchs in Lebanon have repeatedly warned against toppling Assad, calling instead for dialogue to solve the crisis in the country.</p>
<p>The patriarch emphasized that "we are not siding either with Assad or with his regime. We are with the Syrian people, and our concern is how can we get this country (Syria) back on its feet for the sake of the population.</p>
<p>"We are accused of siding with the (Syrian) regime. This is not the truth," he said. "Sure, we did say from the beginning, this regime has to make reforms, true reforms, both political and in the area of civil liberties."</p>
<p>But the patriarch said that does not mean ousting the regime is the solution, because it could then be replaced with fundamentalist groups, as church leaders had warned, citing Libya and Egypt and other countries of the Arab Spring.</p>
<p>"We are not politicians," the patriarch said. "We just want our people to be able to stay in their own country and to live peacefully with others, and we want true civil rights and religious liberty."</p>
<p>He said Western nations must look at what happened in Iraq, which still suffers from confessional conflicts, killings, bombings and kidnappings and has already experienced the exodus of more than 50 percent of its Christians.</p>
<p>The patriarch described the situation in his native province of Hassake as "very critical" and said Christians were being pressured to leave the area.</p>
<p>"People live in fear. They fear kidnapping and killing, and many of the Christians just want to get out in whatever way they can," he said.</p>
<p>"It's very sad to say that there is no hope for the future for the young generations, all because of the lasting conflict, and the West bears the responsibility of this conflict."</p>
<p>He said Western nations encouraged conflict in the Mideast "in the name of the so-called awakening of people, of democracy," adding that "the so-called Western democracy" cannot be exported to countries that still look at religion as a base for ruling their regimes or political life. </p>
<p>Those attempts over the past 20 years to bring so-called democracy in the region, he said, instead were not for the good welfare of the Christians in the Middle East and "were very much harming our very existence."</p>
<p>"And for us Middle Eastern Christians, the faith means a lot. For us, religious liberties come first, otherwise we would not have been surviving for centuries in this area. Western leaders don't want to understand this," Patriarch Younan said.</p>
<p>"Christians in the Middle East have been not only abandoned, but we have been lied to and betrayed by Western nations, like the United States and the European Union," he said.</p>
<p>"And I believe there will be a time coming when the Christians of the Middle East will no longer look to the West for support and perhaps to better strengthen their roots with the Eastern culture and civilization. They are better to look to the East, to ... Russia, to India, to China," he said.</p>
<p>The patriarch said he had no news of two Orthodox bishops kidnapped April 22, but said the United States was "very able to get the news if they want to."</p>
<p>When asked if he considered the bishops' kidnapping a message to Christians, the patriarch replied, "How can it be otherwise?" The incident, he said, makes Christians in Syria more fearful and desperate to flee.</p>
<p>The number of Syrian refugees in Lebanon already is more than 1 million, equal to one quarter of Lebanon's population. Every day, Patriarch Younan said, Christian families from Syria who have left everything behind, come to the patriarchate in Beirut seeking refuge."</p>
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		<title>Comment on After the Fall by Nicholas MOSES</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas MOSES</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 07:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Robert Reavis: the FEMEN group of which you speak did the same thing in the Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris right after the Pope&#039;s resignation. A friend of mine works in the Cathedral and was there when the whole thing went down. The public face of the females in question would seem to be just about the worst side of humanity that can be expressed, but I think it gets worse: I shudder to think of what their fathers must have been like to either drive them to such delinquency, or to fail to restrain them...

By the way, speaking of lies, my comments (some of which took the positions of certain writers to task) seem no longer welcome at &lt;i&gt;The American Conservative&lt;/i&gt;. I&#039;m just froward enough to say that I&#039;m rather sort of proud!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Robert Reavis: the FEMEN group of which you speak did the same thing in the Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris right after the Pope's resignation. A friend of mine works in the Cathedral and was there when the whole thing went down. The public face of the females in question would seem to be just about the worst side of humanity that can be expressed, but I think it gets worse: I shudder to think of what their fathers must have been like to either drive them to such delinquency, or to fail to restrain them...</p>
<p>By the way, speaking of lies, my comments (some of which took the positions of certain writers to task) seem no longer welcome at <i>The American Conservative</i>. I'm just froward enough to say that I'm rather sort of proud!</p>
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		<title>Comment on After the Fall by T. Chan</title>
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		<dc:creator>T. Chan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 01:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I had seen several photos of the bishop just sitting there, praying, while the protestors continued to scream at him - a true example of meekness, resignation that no reasaonble response to them was possible, or  pusillanimity?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had seen several photos of the bishop just sitting there, praying, while the protestors continued to scream at him - a true example of meekness, resignation that no reasaonble response to them was possible, or  pusillanimity?</p>
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		<title>Comment on After the Fall by Jeff Elkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Elkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 00:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Party makes no difference. Democrat or Republican, Federalist or Anti-Federalist, Populares or Optimates, the dance is always the same. No man seeks to rule another unless the seed of corruption lurks within his heart.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Party makes no difference. Democrat or Republican, Federalist or Anti-Federalist, Populares or Optimates, the dance is always the same. No man seeks to rule another unless the seed of corruption lurks within his heart.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Cheng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 23:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The American public, especially the educated class, has been brainwashed or even indoctrinated to believe that the U. S. government is always acting righteously in her dealing with other countries and in her foreign policy, period --- any doubt about the fundamental axiom of  &quot;WE are the good guys&quot; is immediately deemed as anti-American, consequently no further discussion is necessary.

I have been surprised and saddened by the consistency of such kind of attitude among conservatives and liberals, right and left.  Yes, America has done a lot of good things in the past, but in order to learn from history and make sure she remains a great country, there must be an awakening among the educated citizens in this country to get rid of the hubris and self-aggrandizement rooted deeply in the American identity.   On the surface it should be simple enough: just give credit where credit is due and correct the mistakes when blunders have been made. But in reality, I see no turn-around is in sight.  Nobody doubts the American government can be dead wrong in dealing with other countries because her policy is based on short-term vanity (maintaining the empire as the only hyper-power in the world), hubris and self-righteousness. The government continues to cover up the wrong doings by going down the wrong track even farther, because the &quot;credibility&quot; of the country has to be maintained.

By no means the Obama Administration has done anything right in the Middle East or in Asia for the U. S. or for the world, but I have no confidence at all that a &quot;Romney Administration&quot; will do any better in dealing with the situation in Syria.  American government should take serious actions against the jihadists, including confronting the Saudi Arabian government. But the reality is just the opposite.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The American public, especially the educated class, has been brainwashed or even indoctrinated to believe that the U. S. government is always acting righteously in her dealing with other countries and in her foreign policy, period --- any doubt about the fundamental axiom of  "WE are the good guys" is immediately deemed as anti-American, consequently no further discussion is necessary.</p>
<p>I have been surprised and saddened by the consistency of such kind of attitude among conservatives and liberals, right and left.  Yes, America has done a lot of good things in the past, but in order to learn from history and make sure she remains a great country, there must be an awakening among the educated citizens in this country to get rid of the hubris and self-aggrandizement rooted deeply in the American identity.   On the surface it should be simple enough: just give credit where credit is due and correct the mistakes when blunders have been made. But in reality, I see no turn-around is in sight.  Nobody doubts the American government can be dead wrong in dealing with other countries because her policy is based on short-term vanity (maintaining the empire as the only hyper-power in the world), hubris and self-righteousness. The government continues to cover up the wrong doings by going down the wrong track even farther, because the "credibility" of the country has to be maintained.</p>
<p>By no means the Obama Administration has done anything right in the Middle East or in Asia for the U. S. or for the world, but I have no confidence at all that a "Romney Administration" will do any better in dealing with the situation in Syria.  American government should take serious actions against the jihadists, including confronting the Saudi Arabian government. But the reality is just the opposite.</p>
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		<title>Comment on After the Fall by Hans P. Bosse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hans P. Bosse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 21:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Rodham woman, as the late William Safire pointed out some years ago, is a &quot;congenital liar&quot;. But it&#039;s true that in a much larger sense, whether Democrat or Republican they are all, as Michael Cordleone said in Godfather II, &quot;part of the same hypocrisy&quot;. To that extent Dr. Fleming&#039;s analysis is spot-on and reflective of the cancer which has afflicted this once-great republic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Rodham woman, as the late William Safire pointed out some years ago, is a "congenital liar". But it's true that in a much larger sense, whether Democrat or Republican they are all, as Michael Cordleone said in Godfather II, "part of the same hypocrisy". To that extent Dr. Fleming's analysis is spot-on and reflective of the cancer which has afflicted this once-great republic.</p>
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