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	<title>Comments on: Lunacy: Our State Religion</title>
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		<title>By: Derek Leaberry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Leaberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 19:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you kidding, Mr. Kornkven?  Who told you that the moon shot was a fake- Bishop Williamson?  I am aghast.  What next was faked? Lindbergh&#039;s flight over the Atlantic?  Hillary&#039;s ascent of Everest?  Becket&#039;s murder at Canterbury?  Inquiring people want to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you kidding, Mr. Kornkven?  Who told you that the moon shot was a fake- Bishop Williamson?  I am aghast.  What next was faked? Lindbergh's flight over the Atlantic?  Hillary's ascent of Everest?  Becket's murder at Canterbury?  Inquiring people want to know.</p>
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		<title>By: TJF</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2009/07/17/lunacy-our-state-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-192081</link>
		<dc:creator>TJF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 09:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Writing from Attica, not far offshore from Salamis, I would suggest to Roy F. Moore that crying shame is not the same as making a rational argument.   I said, in my little essay, that the Astronauts were men of courage.  But that is hardly the issue.Terrorists are typically brave men who kill themselves in carrying out their ideals.  Nonetheless, I would not make a cult of Mohammed Atta.  Rem tene.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Writing from Attica, not far offshore from Salamis, I would suggest to Roy F. Moore that crying shame is not the same as making a rational argument.   I said, in my little essay, that the Astronauts were men of courage.  But that is hardly the issue.Terrorists are typically brave men who kill themselves in carrying out their ideals.  Nonetheless, I would not make a cult of Mohammed Atta.  Rem tene.</p>
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		<title>By: Yeoman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yeoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 22:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a discussion. We have men with earned Phd degrees who believe we never went there.  Why has no other country or group of countries flown up there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a discussion. We have men with earned Phd degrees who believe we never went there.  Why has no other country or group of countries flown up there?</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Holt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Holt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 13:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In July of 1969, my friends and I were bleeding in the Central Highlands of Vietnam and didn&#039;t give a damn about moonshots; it was gunshots concerned us, lots of them.  But if anyone would like to know about that time imaginatively, he should read Norman Mailer&#039;s &quot;Of a Fire on the Moon.&quot;  A great and underappreciated piece of literature that makes the connection between the above events.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In July of 1969, my friends and I were bleeding in the Central Highlands of Vietnam and didn't give a damn about moonshots; it was gunshots concerned us, lots of them.  But if anyone would like to know about that time imaginatively, he should read Norman Mailer's "Of a Fire on the Moon."  A great and underappreciated piece of literature that makes the connection between the above events.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Frost</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Frost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 02:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Earth is the right place for love
I don&#039;t know where it is likely to go better.&quot; RF

Of course the space program has helped us in killing the enemy with more precise targeting and global positioning devices. It was Marx who noticed that the means of production determine our ends and the nice Christians who always responded, technology in itself is neither good or evil it just all depends on how one uses it. Afterall, wasn&#039;t the material cause of Chivalry the saddle stirrup? As if Nathan Bedford Forest would have been nothing if not an excellent horsemen. Imagine what the Sioux Indians might have accomplished against General Custard at Little Big Horn if only they had read Marx or rode with stirrups. When archeologists dig in our rubble and garbage dumps they will say,&quot;They consumed in large quantity like elephants and dinosaurs with little evidence of any human quality.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Earth is the right place for love<br />
I don't know where it is likely to go better." RF</p>
<p>Of course the space program has helped us in killing the enemy with more precise targeting and global positioning devices. It was Marx who noticed that the means of production determine our ends and the nice Christians who always responded, technology in itself is neither good or evil it just all depends on how one uses it. Afterall, wasn't the material cause of Chivalry the saddle stirrup? As if Nathan Bedford Forest would have been nothing if not an excellent horsemen. Imagine what the Sioux Indians might have accomplished against General Custard at Little Big Horn if only they had read Marx or rode with stirrups. When archeologists dig in our rubble and garbage dumps they will say,"They consumed in large quantity like elephants and dinosaurs with little evidence of any human quality."</p>
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		<title>By: Roy F. Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roy F. Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say this with no joy in my heart. But shame on all of you who wail and rant against America&#039;s landing on the Moon and glory in your willful ignorance of the event when it happened. 

Mr. Scallion asks what&#039;s the point for landing on the Moon? Scientific exploration of it for one. Planning for it&#039;s permanent colonization is another. The justly earned right to rejoice in beating the Russians to it is a third. And all these as stepping stones for - Our Lord willing - the future colonization of the stars.

And ideally by private monies, not by either big government, big business or both together.

I agree with Chesterbelloc. The Apollo missions were and are heroic, as will whatever their successors are. And again, shame on all of you who think otherwise. The monies spent weren&#039;t wasted at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say this with no joy in my heart. But shame on all of you who wail and rant against America's landing on the Moon and glory in your willful ignorance of the event when it happened. </p>
<p>Mr. Scallion asks what's the point for landing on the Moon? Scientific exploration of it for one. Planning for it's permanent colonization is another. The justly earned right to rejoice in beating the Russians to it is a third. And all these as stepping stones for - Our Lord willing - the future colonization of the stars.</p>
<p>And ideally by private monies, not by either big government, big business or both together.</p>
<p>I agree with Chesterbelloc. The Apollo missions were and are heroic, as will whatever their successors are. And again, shame on all of you who think otherwise. The monies spent weren't wasted at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Moonshadow &#124; Conservative Heritage Times</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moonshadow &#124; Conservative Heritage Times</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] other moon articles: John Derbyshire&#8217;s &#8220;Moon Folly&#8221;; Thomas Fleming&#8217;s &#8220;Lunacy: Our New State Religion&#8221; and Gary North&#8217;s &#8220;Bureacrats Step on the Moon, What a Thrill!&#8221;  &#124;  &#124;  &#124;  &#124;  &#124;  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] other moon articles: John Derbyshire&#8217;s &#8220;Moon Folly&#8221;; Thomas Fleming&#8217;s &#8220;Lunacy: Our New State Religion&#8221; and Gary North&#8217;s &#8220;Bureacrats Step on the Moon, What a Thrill!&#8221;  |  |  |  |  |  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Scallon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Scallon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 18:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what&#039;s on the moon? Rocks and dirt. You know what&#039;s on Mars? More rocks and more dirt! Any so-called conservative who is complaining about the costs of health care reform, fighting global warming and the stimulus should have their heads blown off with a cannon if they also start whining about why the U.S. doesn&#039;t have more manned space exploration (cue Newt Gingrich). Billions to look at rocks and dirt. Billons to stroke man&#039;s ego. 

While landing on the moon was an impressive accomplishment and those who were a part of the space program deserve praise for their bravery and sacrifice, we must admit the &quot;Space Race&quot; was as much about the Cold War as much was about science. Billions were spent to beat the Russians to the moon, not &quot;one leap for mankind.&quot; This is what drove everyone from the engineers to mission control to the astronauts themselves. Putting our flag on the moon looks nice for TV cameras and makes one feel good but to go beyond that, to try and seek some higher purpose for man will only leave you disappointed because nothing much changed after that or if did, only got worse.

Man has been able to explore the stars and the out edges of the galaxy and beyond with unmanned space probes. Our knowledge of the universe is much greater thanks to the Voyager and Mariner probes and the Viking craft and the Mars rover and the Hubble Telescope as much as been due to the Apollo and Gemini projects. And yet we wish to celebrate man physically setting foot on the moon. Why? What&#039;s the point? Just because it&#039;s there? Fine, pay for it yourself. The government doesn&#039;t subsidizes mountain climbing on Everest just because it&#039;s there, why should it subsidize moon landings or Mars exploration? Are their precious ores or minerals we can mine on the moon? Fine, pay for mining and transporting them yourselves if you can raise trillons in capital to do so. No one&#039;s stopping you. Want to live in colonies on the Moon and Mars, fine by me. You won&#039;t catch me recerating life on Earth in some artificial bubble millions of miles from home but hey, to each is own. But you will not pick my pocket for it. As the old song goes &quot;Mars ain&#039;t the kind of place to raise your kids. In fact it&#039;s cold as hell.&quot;

I look forward to the day more and more private dollars go into space travel and exploration so that every anniversary of the moon landing we do not have idiots like Charles Krauthammer lamenting our lack of space exploration because of man&#039;s noble need for discovery, which can be a violent and violating process as &quot;progress&quot;. As I said, man has made many leaps in knowledge and science in more cost effective ways out of the Jet Propulsion Labratory where Cape Canaveral has given us duct tape, Tang and a footprint after billions spent. I know where I&#039;d put my money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what's on the moon? Rocks and dirt. You know what's on Mars? More rocks and more dirt! Any so-called conservative who is complaining about the costs of health care reform, fighting global warming and the stimulus should have their heads blown off with a cannon if they also start whining about why the U.S. doesn't have more manned space exploration (cue Newt Gingrich). Billions to look at rocks and dirt. Billons to stroke man's ego. </p>
<p>While landing on the moon was an impressive accomplishment and those who were a part of the space program deserve praise for their bravery and sacrifice, we must admit the "Space Race" was as much about the Cold War as much was about science. Billions were spent to beat the Russians to the moon, not "one leap for mankind." This is what drove everyone from the engineers to mission control to the astronauts themselves. Putting our flag on the moon looks nice for TV cameras and makes one feel good but to go beyond that, to try and seek some higher purpose for man will only leave you disappointed because nothing much changed after that or if did, only got worse.</p>
<p>Man has been able to explore the stars and the out edges of the galaxy and beyond with unmanned space probes. Our knowledge of the universe is much greater thanks to the Voyager and Mariner probes and the Viking craft and the Mars rover and the Hubble Telescope as much as been due to the Apollo and Gemini projects. And yet we wish to celebrate man physically setting foot on the moon. Why? What's the point? Just because it's there? Fine, pay for it yourself. The government doesn't subsidizes mountain climbing on Everest just because it's there, why should it subsidize moon landings or Mars exploration? Are their precious ores or minerals we can mine on the moon? Fine, pay for mining and transporting them yourselves if you can raise trillons in capital to do so. No one's stopping you. Want to live in colonies on the Moon and Mars, fine by me. You won't catch me recerating life on Earth in some artificial bubble millions of miles from home but hey, to each is own. But you will not pick my pocket for it. As the old song goes "Mars ain't the kind of place to raise your kids. In fact it's cold as hell."</p>
<p>I look forward to the day more and more private dollars go into space travel and exploration so that every anniversary of the moon landing we do not have idiots like Charles Krauthammer lamenting our lack of space exploration because of man's noble need for discovery, which can be a violent and violating process as "progress". As I said, man has made many leaps in knowledge and science in more cost effective ways out of the Jet Propulsion Labratory where Cape Canaveral has given us duct tape, Tang and a footprint after billions spent. I know where I'd put my money.</p>
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		<title>By: Theodore Van Oosbree</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theodore Van Oosbree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I recall, they did plug poor Klaatu (twice!). I remember when I saw the film as a boy being shocked that the oh-so-civilized aliens would really incinerate a whole planet to punish some evildoers. Why, despite the self-righteous rhetoric, they were evil themselves!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I recall, they did plug poor Klaatu (twice!). I remember when I saw the film as a boy being shocked that the oh-so-civilized aliens would really incinerate a whole planet to punish some evildoers. Why, despite the self-righteous rhetoric, they were evil themselves!</p>
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		<title>By: Chesterbelloc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chesterbelloc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 03:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see a world of difference between the heroic Apollo program and the twerpy athiests like Sagan who pushed SETI.  The moon landing may be remembered in the distant future as America&#039;s pinnacle.  

And I&#039;m sure Francis Xavier, who spent his life sailing to strange new worlds, would have laughed at the notion that life on other planets would somehow disprove Christianity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see a world of difference between the heroic Apollo program and the twerpy athiests like Sagan who pushed SETI.  The moon landing may be remembered in the distant future as America's pinnacle.  </p>
<p>And I'm sure Francis Xavier, who spent his life sailing to strange new worlds, would have laughed at the notion that life on other planets would somehow disprove Christianity.</p>
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