Comments on: Making a Monkey Out of Darwin http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2009/06/30/making-a-monkey-out-of-darwin/ Your home for traditional conservatism. Thu, 24 May 2012 15:26:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Robert http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2009/06/30/making-a-monkey-out-of-darwin/comment-page-1/#comment-191675 Robert Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:19:03 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=2419#comment-191675 How something that exists lives, moves, endures and adapts is for biology, physics and chemistry. How life arose from non-life, or why something exists instead of nothing is above these fields of study and proper to meta-physics and philosophy. Theology although consistent with these facts begins with a Divine revelation. St. Thomas believed that revelation is solely for our benefit because although all of these differnt fields of study are part of one truth, most people would not have the time or the capacity to integrate them consistently as is demonstrated by the current confusion. "The myth perpetuated by the left is that we’re (just) animals" The myth perpetuated by some puritans and heretics is that men should be angels. Surely we are something a little more and a little less than either of these two assertions. How something that exists lives, moves, endures and adapts is for biology, physics and chemistry. How life arose from non-life, or why something exists instead of nothing is above these fields of study and proper to meta-physics and philosophy. Theology although consistent with these facts begins with a Divine revelation. St. Thomas believed that revelation is solely for our benefit because although all of these differnt fields of study are part of one truth, most people would not have the time or the capacity to integrate them consistently as is demonstrated by the current confusion. "The myth perpetuated by the left is that we’re (just) animals" The myth perpetuated by some puritans and heretics is that men should be angels. Surely we are something a little more and a little less than either of these two assertions.

]]> By: MAP http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2009/06/30/making-a-monkey-out-of-darwin/comment-page-1/#comment-191674 MAP Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:45:36 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=2419#comment-191674 Based upon observable facts, evolution, operating through natural selection, was offered as an explanation for the diversity of species. This is wholly different from the question of how life began here to begin with. Those who posit that it spontaneously arose from the environment do so without a shred of evidence. Nor has anyone ever created life from non-life. Unlike evolutionary theory, there are no observable facts to support it. Therefore, it is based upon an unprovable presumption. That is, the presumption that there is no God. Atheism is the only foundation for such a theory. Based upon observable facts, evolution, operating through natural selection, was offered as an explanation for the diversity of species. This is wholly different from the question of how life began here to begin with. Those who posit that it spontaneously arose from the environment do so without a shred of evidence. Nor has anyone ever created life from non-life. Unlike evolutionary theory, there are no observable facts to support it. Therefore, it is based upon an unprovable presumption. That is, the presumption that there is no God. Atheism is the only foundation for such a theory.

]]> By: Etienne Gervaise http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2009/06/30/making-a-monkey-out-of-darwin/comment-page-1/#comment-191672 Etienne Gervaise Tue, 07 Jul 2009 09:50:06 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=2419#comment-191672 I'd rather be made in the image of God any day of the week than be some sort of super-smart ape. The myth perpetuated by the left is that we're animals so it's OK to murder our unborn, or even consider entire populations as sub-human. The end result is some silver-tongued demagogue will round up those pesky Christians and place them in FEMA internment camps for re-education. It's what socialists do, be they the nationalist or the soviet sort. I'd rather be made in the image of God any day of the week than be some sort of super-smart ape. The myth perpetuated by the left is that we're animals so it's OK to murder our unborn, or even consider entire populations as sub-human. The end result is some silver-tongued demagogue will round up those pesky Christians and place them in FEMA internment camps for re-education.

It's what socialists do, be they the nationalist or the soviet sort.

]]> By: Thomas Fleming http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2009/06/30/making-a-monkey-out-of-darwin/comment-page-1/#comment-191657 Thomas Fleming Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:22:19 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=2419#comment-191657 Modern ideologies--Marxist, Boasian, existentialist, Lockean--treat human nature as a blank slate on which they can write any tomfoolery they like. Marriage, property, hierarchy, morality--all can be dispensed with. Sociobiology tells us this is not so, that man is pretty much what Christianity has taught all along. In haste. Modern ideologies--Marxist, Boasian, existentialist, Lockean--treat human nature as a blank slate on which they can write any tomfoolery they like. Marriage, property, hierarchy, morality--all can be dispensed with. Sociobiology tells us this is not so, that man is pretty much what Christianity has taught all along. In haste.

]]> By: Thomas Fleming http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2009/06/30/making-a-monkey-out-of-darwin/comment-page-1/#comment-191656 Thomas Fleming Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:20:26 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=2419#comment-191656 Frank Miller “evolutionary theory tends more to confirm than to refute the Christian view of human existence” Mr. Fleming, could you expand on this statement a little? How does evolutionary theory confirm the Christian view of human existence in any way? Frank Miller

“evolutionary theory tends more to confirm than to refute the Christian view of human existence”

Mr. Fleming, could you expand on this statement a little? How does evolutionary theory confirm the Christian view of human existence in any way?

]]> By: MAP http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2009/06/30/making-a-monkey-out-of-darwin/comment-page-1/#comment-191655 MAP Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:32:53 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=2419#comment-191655 J Meng @35. I wasn't looking for a debate. Both rely on faith was all I was saying. My faith rests on Christ and the inspired scriptures. But 'prove it' as they say. I'm reminded of the old bumper sticker: "God said it. I believe it. That settles it." The court, however, sidded with another faith-based belief, as though it were not faith-based, but fact-based. That was my point. The court decided what we should believe. J Meng @35. I wasn't looking for a debate. Both rely on faith was all I was saying. My faith rests on Christ and the inspired scriptures. But 'prove it' as they say. I'm reminded of the old bumper sticker: "God said it. I believe it. That settles it." The court, however, sidded with another faith-based belief, as though it were not faith-based, but fact-based. That was my point. The court decided what we should believe.

]]> By: J Meng http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2009/06/30/making-a-monkey-out-of-darwin/comment-page-1/#comment-191654 J Meng Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:11:19 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=2419#comment-191654 @34: I agree with your assertion about those who believe in evolution: it is unscientific and does take a great leap of faith -- like believing in a fairy tale. However, I disagree with you that those who believe that God created all life have taken the same kind of leap. True faith is reasonable. If Jesus Christ is Who He said He was: the Son of God, i.e., the incarnate Second Person of the Blessed Trinity (God revealing God); if the Catholic Church was founded by Jesus Christ to continue His redemptive work and to preserve and teach the revealed truths given to it by Him; if the Catholic Church teaches that the canonical books of the Bible are divinely inspired; if the Catholic Church teaches that God is almighty, all knowing, all present, then it is no leap of faith to assent to these teachings or to believe that He is more than capable of bringing into existence out of nothing our earth and the universe within which it exists and the life living on it. It is a matter of reasonable faith, and it is a gift from God. Pray for it. @34: I agree with your assertion about those who believe in evolution: it is unscientific and does take a great leap of faith -- like believing in a fairy tale. However, I disagree with you that those who believe that God created all life have taken the same kind of leap. True faith is reasonable. If Jesus Christ is Who He said He was: the Son of God, i.e., the incarnate Second Person of the Blessed Trinity (God revealing God); if the Catholic Church was founded by Jesus Christ to continue His redemptive work and to preserve and teach the revealed truths given to it by Him; if the Catholic Church teaches that the canonical books of the Bible are divinely inspired; if the Catholic Church teaches that God is almighty, all knowing, all present, then it is no leap of faith to assent to these teachings or to believe that He is more than capable of bringing into existence out of nothing our earth and the universe within which it exists and the life living on it. It is a matter of reasonable faith, and it is a gift from God. Pray for it.

]]> By: MAP http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2009/06/30/making-a-monkey-out-of-darwin/comment-page-1/#comment-191646 MAP Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:47:59 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=2419#comment-191646 Species unknown today are found in the fossil record, while those we recognize are glaringly absent in the same strata. How did they get there? On the one hand, evolutionists believe one species evolved into other species over great spans of time. Since this process has never been directly observed or duplicated, a great leap of faith is required to embrace it as fact and not speculation. On the other, creationists believe all life was created by God as the Bible dictates. Since this was not directly observed, a great leap of faith is required. The real significance of the Scopes trial is that one of these faiths and dogmas was given credibility to the exclusion of the other, as though one alone were indeed ‘fact’. The meaning of this is central to an understanding of our era. Species unknown today are found in the fossil record, while those we recognize are glaringly absent in the same strata. How did they get there? On the one hand, evolutionists believe one species evolved into other species over great spans of time. Since this process has never been directly observed or duplicated, a great leap of faith is required to embrace it as fact and not speculation. On the other, creationists believe all life was created by God as the Bible dictates. Since this was not directly observed, a great leap of faith is required. The real significance of the Scopes trial is that one of these faiths and dogmas was given credibility to the exclusion of the other, as though one alone were indeed ‘fact’. The meaning of this is central to an understanding of our era.

]]> By: J Meng http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2009/06/30/making-a-monkey-out-of-darwin/comment-page-1/#comment-191638 J Meng Sun, 05 Jul 2009 23:53:27 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=2419#comment-191638 @32: again, my apologies, substitute rotates for revolves. How does the law of inertia not permit the sun from revolving around the earth? We'll forget the stars at this point. @32: again, my apologies, substitute rotates for revolves. How does the law of inertia not permit the sun from revolving around the earth? We'll forget the stars at this point.

]]> By: Polemicscat http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2009/06/30/making-a-monkey-out-of-darwin/comment-page-1/#comment-191637 Polemicscat Sun, 05 Jul 2009 23:46:44 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=2419#comment-191637 #31 "Your argument relative to the “rotation” of the earth on its axis, seems to rests upon an unproven presupposition. You presuppose that the earth revolves around the sun, because the other alternative, the sun and stars moving around the earth must seem impossible. Yet, is there any scientific proof that the latter is not the reality?" The earth rotating on its axis and the earth revolving around the sun are really two different issues. My comment in #30 was addressing only the issue of the earth rotating on its axis, the point being that the law of inertia would not permit all of the heavenly bodies to orbit the earth in twenty four hours. Therefore, the earth must be rotating on its axis. That is not really related to the question of the earth orbiting the sun. The earth's orbit around the sun takes a year which the law of inertia would permit. #31 "Your argument relative to the “rotation” of the earth on its axis, seems to rests upon an unproven presupposition. You presuppose that the earth revolves around the sun, because the other alternative, the sun and stars moving around the earth must seem impossible. Yet, is there any scientific proof that the latter is not the reality?"

The earth rotating on its axis and the earth revolving around the sun are really two different issues. My comment in #30 was addressing only the issue of the earth rotating on its axis, the point being that the law of inertia would not permit all of the heavenly bodies to orbit the earth in twenty four hours. Therefore, the earth must be rotating on its axis.

That is not really related to the question of the earth orbiting the sun. The earth's orbit around the sun takes a year which the law of inertia would permit.

]]>