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	<title>Comments on: A Credo for Authentic Conservatives and Other Sane People</title>
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		<title>By: Thomas Fleming</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2009/06/26/a-credo-for-authentic-conservatives-and-other-sane-people/comment-page-2/#comment-191634</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Fleming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Curioser and curioser.  I know nothing of the Citizens&#039; Council&#039;s Statement of Principles, though it is not strange that two men who first met about 1969 and collaborated on many projects together should have common views.  Sam Francis, however, did not agree with me at all on the topic of subsidiarity and despite the many warnings of his friends, he very foolishly associated himself with the know-nothings and con artists who pretend to lead the Great White Race to victory.  I understand why people are frightened into joining the C of CC.  I am sorry for them, but it is a sign of spiritual emptiness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curioser and curioser.  I know nothing of the Citizens' Council's Statement of Principles, though it is not strange that two men who first met about 1969 and collaborated on many projects together should have common views.  Sam Francis, however, did not agree with me at all on the topic of subsidiarity and despite the many warnings of his friends, he very foolishly associated himself with the know-nothings and con artists who pretend to lead the Great White Race to victory.  I understand why people are frightened into joining the C of CC.  I am sorry for them, but it is a sign of spiritual emptiness.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Rolen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Rolen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 16:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your credo mimics the C of CC Statement of Priniciples, written by the late Sam Francis. Except our Statement embodies racial realities while omitting esoteric and pedantic dramaturgy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your credo mimics the C of CC Statement of Priniciples, written by the late Sam Francis. Except our Statement embodies racial realities while omitting esoteric and pedantic dramaturgy.</p>
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		<title>By: robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It’s arguable that ties to the old have been lost, but to say the characteristics you cite praise of are impossible to recreate is bold and in need of explanation.&quot;

Frank,
 This is a good question. The ancient definition was of a creature who had life in two worlds: his body was rooted in the earth and his soul swept out across the horizons to a world beyond. His name was man. Aristotelian man and Platonic man. The two were integrated in the Incarnation. Doubting Thomas and St. John were both satisfied when the Word was made flesh. This unity has been lost and perhaps recoverable as you say. 
 More thoughtful men than myself -- Joseph Cambell, Aldous Huxley, Mircea Iliade and many, many others -- seem to think the Christian revelation is now inadequate and another path through the enuui and hate of modern life must be found. If there own efforts are any evidence of the difficulty in men revealing God,the task would seem rather hopeless -- Although consistent with their beginning principle that men create gods and not God creating men.
  My own thoughts on the matter were vividly displayed recently when a dear mentor and friend of mine (and myself) visited Chartre Cathedral. The labryinth on the floor was being occupied not by pilgrims immitating life&#039;s pilgrimage through earth to heaven, but by a coven of witches dressed in red receiving power from the summer solstice and engaging in group hugs in what in a happier age was a symbol of the Holy City. I think these new adventures will become more prevalent and more sadistic before Christians can regroup and return to the God of their Fathers. Joeseph Cambell for instance was born and raised a Catholic and what he found in other religions he was unable to see or love in his own. But this is mere opinion, men are not given the power to know the future and we can all thank God for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"It’s arguable that ties to the old have been lost, but to say the characteristics you cite praise of are impossible to recreate is bold and in need of explanation."</p>
<p>Frank,<br />
 This is a good question. The ancient definition was of a creature who had life in two worlds: his body was rooted in the earth and his soul swept out across the horizons to a world beyond. His name was man. Aristotelian man and Platonic man. The two were integrated in the Incarnation. Doubting Thomas and St. John were both satisfied when the Word was made flesh. This unity has been lost and perhaps recoverable as you say.<br />
 More thoughtful men than myself -- Joseph Cambell, Aldous Huxley, Mircea Iliade and many, many others -- seem to think the Christian revelation is now inadequate and another path through the enuui and hate of modern life must be found. If there own efforts are any evidence of the difficulty in men revealing God,the task would seem rather hopeless -- Although consistent with their beginning principle that men create gods and not God creating men.<br />
  My own thoughts on the matter were vividly displayed recently when a dear mentor and friend of mine (and myself) visited Chartre Cathedral. The labryinth on the floor was being occupied not by pilgrims immitating life's pilgrimage through earth to heaven, but by a coven of witches dressed in red receiving power from the summer solstice and engaging in group hugs in what in a happier age was a symbol of the Holy City. I think these new adventures will become more prevalent and more sadistic before Christians can regroup and return to the God of their Fathers. Joeseph Cambell for instance was born and raised a Catholic and what he found in other religions he was unable to see or love in his own. But this is mere opinion, men are not given the power to know the future and we can all thank God for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 09:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truly decentralisation serves the best interests of the state, so I don&#039;t see the need to fend off state encroachment with the federalist/subsidiarist approach even if I&#039;m fond of most of the results of that same approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truly decentralisation serves the best interests of the state, so I don't see the need to fend off state encroachment with the federalist/subsidiarist approach even if I'm fond of most of the results of that same approach.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 09:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reply to Dr. Fleming: I like the approach of what you describe as neo-federalism provided it results in a great deal of decentralisation. In many parts of the world definable national boundaries exist, so it seems reasonable that some would prefer this neo-federalism while others with a fuzzier national identity might prefer federalism.

Also, modern economies of scale are also larger than those of the past, so it&#039;s expected that larger societal units would now exist and require a greater degree of management than in the past, though of course that loss of roots and trusting of strangers is partly what&#039;s made modern societies so dangerous.

Reply to Robert @ #3: Surely it&#039;s possible for that same &quot;Old Paganism&quot; to arise again as well. It&#039;s arguable that ties to the old have been lost, but to say the characteristics you cite praise of are impossible to recreate is bold and in need of explanation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reply to Dr. Fleming: I like the approach of what you describe as neo-federalism provided it results in a great deal of decentralisation. In many parts of the world definable national boundaries exist, so it seems reasonable that some would prefer this neo-federalism while others with a fuzzier national identity might prefer federalism.</p>
<p>Also, modern economies of scale are also larger than those of the past, so it's expected that larger societal units would now exist and require a greater degree of management than in the past, though of course that loss of roots and trusting of strangers is partly what's made modern societies so dangerous.</p>
<p>Reply to Robert @ #3: Surely it's possible for that same "Old Paganism" to arise again as well. It's arguable that ties to the old have been lost, but to say the characteristics you cite praise of are impossible to recreate is bold and in need of explanation.</p>
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		<title>By: Some articles for your consideration &#124; Conservative Heritage Times</title>
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		<dc:creator>Some articles for your consideration &#124; Conservative Heritage Times</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 07:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] You can find out about Chronicles new credo for &#8220;conservatives and other sane people&#8221;. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: David Wihowski</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Wihowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Fleming, Thank you for taking the patience to clearly and simply present this topic.  It is something I will refer to often.  We know it, it is basic knowledge, but in our culture we need it before us always.  We are like the losing football team who thinks fancy plays and tricks will make them a winning team; they need the coach to remind them to get back to basics.

You cannot live a day, nay, hardly an hour, in our culture without encountering someone who assaults these basics from some idealogical viewpoint.  This has been a most valuable article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Fleming, Thank you for taking the patience to clearly and simply present this topic.  It is something I will refer to often.  We know it, it is basic knowledge, but in our culture we need it before us always.  We are like the losing football team who thinks fancy plays and tricks will make them a winning team; they need the coach to remind them to get back to basics.</p>
<p>You cannot live a day, nay, hardly an hour, in our culture without encountering someone who assaults these basics from some idealogical viewpoint.  This has been a most valuable article.</p>
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		<title>By: robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Fleming,
 It is at least some evidence of how far we have fallen that we must resort to anthropological studies about man as an animal --who breeds, begets, raises the young, protects his own from predators, his useful tools and property from invasion and other activities which he shares with the animal kingdom. Yet, the &quot;rational animal&quot; as known by Aristotle or Shakespear is rather unique in that he is a little higher than the animals but lower than the angels. Evidently we are at a stage in cultural development or decline where we must first rediscover what makes us an animal before we can take up the larger question of what makes us men.


If we carefully consider the human soul in its nature, we see two different regions in it: the one belongs to the sensible order, the other to the supersensible or intellectual order. The sensible part of the soul is that which is common to men and animals; it includes the external senses and the internal senses which comprise the imagination, the sensible memory, and the sensitive appetites, whence spring the various passions or emotions which we call sensible love and hatred, desire and aversion, sensible joy and sadness, hope and despair, audacity, fear and anger. All this sensitive life exists in the animal, whether its passions are mild like those of the dove or lamb, or whether they are strong like those of the wolf or ox. Above this sensitive part common to men and animals, our nature likewise possesses an intellectual part which is common to men and angels, although it is far more vigorous and beautiful in the angel. By this intellectual part our soul towers above the body, and this is why we say the soul is spiritual. True intelligence which alone deserves the name of &quot;intellect unqualified&quot;, is a faculty which, if it not be hindered as a result of insubordination on the part of the lesser faculties, its appointed handmaids, will fly straight to the mark. It does not think. It sees. The catalyzing of this power to see, which everyone bears within himself, whether he be aware of it or not, is the aim of spiritual life in every man. 
       Marco Pallis, Private correspondence</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Fleming,<br />
 It is at least some evidence of how far we have fallen that we must resort to anthropological studies about man as an animal --who breeds, begets, raises the young, protects his own from predators, his useful tools and property from invasion and other activities which he shares with the animal kingdom. Yet, the "rational animal" as known by Aristotle or Shakespear is rather unique in that he is a little higher than the animals but lower than the angels. Evidently we are at a stage in cultural development or decline where we must first rediscover what makes us an animal before we can take up the larger question of what makes us men.</p>
<p>If we carefully consider the human soul in its nature, we see two different regions in it: the one belongs to the sensible order, the other to the supersensible or intellectual order. The sensible part of the soul is that which is common to men and animals; it includes the external senses and the internal senses which comprise the imagination, the sensible memory, and the sensitive appetites, whence spring the various passions or emotions which we call sensible love and hatred, desire and aversion, sensible joy and sadness, hope and despair, audacity, fear and anger. All this sensitive life exists in the animal, whether its passions are mild like those of the dove or lamb, or whether they are strong like those of the wolf or ox. Above this sensitive part common to men and animals, our nature likewise possesses an intellectual part which is common to men and angels, although it is far more vigorous and beautiful in the angel. By this intellectual part our soul towers above the body, and this is why we say the soul is spiritual. True intelligence which alone deserves the name of "intellect unqualified", is a faculty which, if it not be hindered as a result of insubordination on the part of the lesser faculties, its appointed handmaids, will fly straight to the mark. It does not think. It sees. The catalyzing of this power to see, which everyone bears within himself, whether he be aware of it or not, is the aim of spiritual life in every man.<br />
       Marco Pallis, Private correspondence</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Fleming</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Fleming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>II E      	E Education, then, does not mean a government-controlled system by which children are liberated from the religion, morality, and culture of their parents, nor is it some scheme adopted by eccentric parents in order to produce some peculiar sort of person.  Education is the means by which a healthy society turns bestial little savages into  members in good-standing of the society, men and women who will take the place of their parents&#039; generation.    Real education, thus, is by definition a conservative process by which continuity is secured.  Education is also to be distinguished from job training, vocational education, or professional schools.  A man may be a skilled plumber or neurosurgeon and yet remain a barbarian.  Education is the collective enteprize by which a society or culture preserves its identity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>II E      	E Education, then, does not mean a government-controlled system by which children are liberated from the religion, morality, and culture of their parents, nor is it some scheme adopted by eccentric parents in order to produce some peculiar sort of person.  Education is the means by which a healthy society turns bestial little savages into  members in good-standing of the society, men and women who will take the place of their parents' generation.    Real education, thus, is by definition a conservative process by which continuity is secured.  Education is also to be distinguished from job training, vocational education, or professional schools.  A man may be a skilled plumber or neurosurgeon and yet remain a barbarian.  Education is the collective enteprize by which a society or culture preserves its identity.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Fleming</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Fleming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A brief statement of Natural Law in the older sense.:  

	G One way of understanding our natural necessities is to  view them as clauses in the Natural Law, which is far from being a set of abstractions deduced by right reason in an exercise of rationality.  Natural Law is a law of nature, the law of our moral, social, and political nature.  Most of its provisions can be learned by a long-term process of observation and induction.  Men marry, beget children, and assume responsibility for wife (or wives) and children.  This is close enough to being universal to give us indication of the law.  On the other hand, we can also discover some parts of the Law by observing what happens when it is breached:  Murderers are routinely killed, either by a government or by the victim&#039;s relatives or friends; thieves lose their property; adulterers are beaten or killed, etc.  While the Natural Law is not perfectly observed by men, one might make a rough statistical approximation.  It is the norm on which most cultures and nearly all higher civilizations converge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A brief statement of Natural Law in the older sense.:  </p>
<p>	G One way of understanding our natural necessities is to  view them as clauses in the Natural Law, which is far from being a set of abstractions deduced by right reason in an exercise of rationality.  Natural Law is a law of nature, the law of our moral, social, and political nature.  Most of its provisions can be learned by a long-term process of observation and induction.  Men marry, beget children, and assume responsibility for wife (or wives) and children.  This is close enough to being universal to give us indication of the law.  On the other hand, we can also discover some parts of the Law by observing what happens when it is breached:  Murderers are routinely killed, either by a government or by the victim's relatives or friends; thieves lose their property; adulterers are beaten or killed, etc.  While the Natural Law is not perfectly observed by men, one might make a rough statistical approximation.  It is the norm on which most cultures and nearly all higher civilizations converge.</p>
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