Comments on: Israel First, Again

By: gargi

gargi — Sat, 07 Mar 2009 17:32:40 +0000

slim,
The biggest tregedy that happened to the Persian empire was that it fell under the hands of the Arabs--the brothers of Jews--although following a different religion.
Read about it in history--it took the Arabs several decades nearly a century to force the Persians to become Muslims via the sword--it is extremely tragic what happened to the Persian empire. Iranians have not lost their identity though and I have Persian friends who view Islam as not Persian and say it destroyed their culture--but they say "it was imposed upon us, our culture was destroyed and without it we have no religion anymore--"
But even under Islam the Persian genius did not die out-- in fact, most of the so called Isalmic philosophers and scientists and poets were all Persian. I see hope for this country if they are able to return to their true roots.

By: gargi

gargi — Sat, 07 Mar 2009 16:44:00 +0000

And finally, the folly of trying to remove something which constitutes the identity of a peoples now but which formerly was borrowed from outside, is shown by the anti-Christian stance of the Nazis. For most people in the West, when you remove Christianity, there remains nothing to replace it.

By: gargi

gargi — Sat, 07 Mar 2009 16:30:08 +0000

Also Christianity was probably a boon for the rest of the Western world apart from Greece and Rome which did not have a sophisticated culture of its own but adopted Greco-Roman culture--For this world, Christianity gave a source of morals and ethics to peoples who could not come up with their own.
But Christianity no longer remained a graft and became like second nature to the Western peoples and it also helped unify cultures--
Also, Christianity grew because it advocated humility and compassion--the most popular early Christians were all widows and such--people shipwrecked in life--for the first time in the Western world, with Christianity, you have a recognition that the slave is also a human in that he is created in the image of God--

By: gargi

gargi — Sat, 07 Mar 2009 16:10:01 +0000

The tragedy was that Rome fell and fell in such a way that the Western world got a religion from a tribe of Semites and instead of Western mythology, you began to have Jewish mythology, after Rome became Christian. Of course the religion got transformed as the Western world was a creative world--There has been a conflict between religion and clear thinking in the West ever since. I think the traitor was Constantine--the ancients were far superior in outlook to the outlook Christians brought with them and only when the West revived their ancient outlook did it get out of the dark ages.
Slim is correct about the tolerance of the Persian empire--in fact it was Cyrus who gave freedom to the Jews.
Does this mean that I do not like Christianity or Christians? No just that I do not see Christianity as a Western pehonomenon--but it has been their religion and has given them something based on miracles so I have nothing to say about it--

By: Maciano

Maciano — Tue, 03 Mar 2009 21:39:52 +0000

I wish Israel and the Israelis all the best in their struggle for survival. May they finally find peace. I really mean that.

The Israel-lobby in the US, they can go to hell.

By: slim

slim — Mon, 02 Mar 2009 13:11:05 +0000

Brock, Life in the Roman empire was miserable. History being the propaganda of the victor that it is, usually describes the ancient Romans and Greeks as being the opposite of how they actually were. Not unlike the way current media talks about our 'moderate' allies and our 'ultranationalist, rightwing' enemies--when these enemies are merely resistant to the genocidal fascism of our moderate allies. Hispanics/Latinos don't affect anyone that much in the southeast. We have them, they do a lot of the manual labor that no one else wants to do. I suppose I *should* harbor resentment towards them, but as stated: they do jobs that no one else wants to do. They have some bad apples, but for the most part they work hard, do no harm, and want to be left alone. As we've discussed the government wastes so much money on other boondoggles that I have a hard time working up much resentment towards them. I don't fear illegal immigrants as much as I fear the mercenaries of our own government, and the lies spewed by the propagandists for our government. Wilson, What's the matter? A little harder for some folks to pen these little 'boo hoo! Israel is the tail wagging the dog!' articles when I'm on the scene? Yes, everyone should learn history. Empires that put out a lot of 'boo hoo! the Jews won't stop running the show!' type articles have never been anything but big-lie spewers, and there are no bigger liars than jihadists and the governments that are in covert alliance with them (i.e. that use them as mercenaries).

By: Clyde Wilson

Clyde Wilson — Mon, 02 Mar 2009 11:53:43 +0000

Gentlemen, you are wasting your time arguing with "slim." The best thing is to ignore him.

By: Brock H.

Brock H. — Mon, 02 Mar 2009 05:34:12 +0000

What do you mean miserable? Do you mean that there was not an overabundance of food and material comfort/security like there is here today? That's hardly misery. As for the Roman slave business, glad we're both on the same page there. No, it wasn't a tragedy that Rome fell. The tragedy is that its own people LET it happen. The tragedy was in the way the Roman Empire and then its civilization died - the way all civilizations die - by suicide. Why does open borders not scare you? Not a surprise that Arab Muslims scare you, based on what you've said - don't worry, I'm kind of standoffish towards them myself. But what about Hispanics, the ethnicity of peoples that is competing with blacks for committing the vast majority of urban area murders in America? How about the boldness of those illegals in their declaration of "immigrants' rights" three years ago, as they proudly and defiantly marched through America's major cities?

By: slim

slim — Mon, 02 Mar 2009 04:27:07 +0000

As I already stated, I don't have any evidence that the founding fathers were the monsters that their descendants were. The definition of fascism varies, but the one I prefer is that it describes empires that like oppressing the masses, enslaving others, and removing citizen rights.

This describes most empires, starting with the Romans/Greeks, as well as their descendants of the 3rd reich. In ancient Rome, unless you were among the ruling elites, life was very miserable and you were likely a slave. Rome falling was no tragedy. The tragedy is that their ideology has never gone away.

The Persians were opposed to this, as are their ideological descendants, who are slandered as Islamist-abusing, human-rights abusing rightwing ultranationalists in Western media, which lies egregiously. The greatest tragedy was the fall of the Persian empire.

Open borders does not scare me so much as the possibility that US leaders will import (possibly over the next 50-100 years) tens of thousands of intolerant Islamists. Why? Western birthrates are anemic and someone will be needed to pick up the slack and pay taxes.

US leaders love playing divide and conquer games and attacking regular Americans. There is no one in the government that supports upholding any kind of 'white' culture, or even any kind of culture that values tolerance and refraining from attacking others.

We could have this. But instead our government and media attack the places that aim for this.

By: Brock H.

Brock H. — Sun, 01 Mar 2009 23:57:59 +0000

So, once again, even before the Nietschiean (don't think I spelled that right but no matter) ideologies which gave birth to fascism were developed in the mid-19th century, our own Founding Fathers were fascist monsters who would have dumped all their Jews into an oven if they were perceived as becoming too much of a problem. You sound like those open-borders crowds like La Raza, who will continually dredge up Hitler whenever any talk of closing the borders comes up. Until the original native people of the American Republic, whites - the people whose methods and behaviors and customs define America as a nation, are finally gone, of course. Then the Marxist mission to destroy the West will be complete. And that is the main difference between then and now, slim. Yes, there were many different ethnicities of people who have lived alongside whites ever since they established their colonies here. But since the 18th century, when have minorities exploded to a percentage of 35%, while whites sink from %90 to %65, and become projected to become a MINORITY 30 years later? Not until now, the Immigration Act of 1965 made sure it would happen. Was this necessary, slim, to make sure the "ethnic-cleanliness-obsessed losers" don't have their way? I'd hate to think I'm not being . . . what's the word, TOLERANT enough, of other peoples. Death by tolerance - that's how Rome fell, you know.