Comments on: From the Archives: Term Limits in Illinois http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2009/01/30/from-the-archives-term-limits-in-illinois/ Your home for traditional conservatism. Sat, 11 Feb 2012 19:05:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Leo http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2009/01/30/from-the-archives-term-limits-in-illinois/comment-page-1/#comment-186701 Leo Tue, 03 Feb 2009 09:35:59 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=1065#comment-186701 Eagle,thanks for the sympathy over the Cardinals but I am consoled over the 7 point spread and my Steeler-loving brother owes me dinner. Eagle,thanks for the sympathy over the Cardinals but I am consoled over the 7 point spread and my Steeler-loving brother owes me dinner.

]]> By: Etienne Gervaise http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2009/01/30/from-the-archives-term-limits-in-illinois/comment-page-1/#comment-186692 Etienne Gervaise Mon, 02 Feb 2009 23:14:12 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=1065#comment-186692 @11 Robert When you consider the expense of attending law school these days along with the added expense of taking the bar, one does have to wonder why a fellow who could make $400 an hour chooses a government job that is unlikely to pay off the college loans. @11 Robert

When you consider the expense of attending law school these days along with the added expense of taking the bar, one does have to wonder why a fellow who could make $400 an hour chooses a government job that is unlikely to pay off the college loans.

]]> By: Eagle http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2009/01/30/from-the-archives-term-limits-in-illinois/comment-page-1/#comment-186680 Eagle Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:00:33 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=1065#comment-186680 Leo, thanks for the exchange. One hopes the truth emerges and the appropriate justice is applied. Sorry to hear about the Cardinals. My hopes were with these underdogs. They put up quite a good fight. I have to mention, though, on my broader topic...how amused I am today to find another nominee of the new presidential administration in trouble for what some would characterize as tax evasion. I will ask this: is it not interesting how the media chose to lay off of both the Treasury and HHS nominees for their admitted and significant tax crimes, er, oversights? Oversights that land lesser (connected) men in serious trouble. And yet, hints and unproven allegations of foul-mouthed Blago made the media go into a frenzy. Why the two different faces of the media? Why not the same incredulity over Geithner's and Daschle's behavior which are instead explained away as indiscretions and honest mistakes? We know they stole hundreds of thousands from the tax authority whereas we don't yet know for sure that Blago formally solicited thousands in pay for play? By the way, regardless of what happened...call me crazy, but I think I want the new guy in charge of the IRS to be innocent of tax evasion or at least well-aware of its codes so as to not get himself in trouble over his own filings. Didn't this even merit any media scrutiny?? Leo, thanks for the exchange. One hopes the truth emerges and the appropriate justice is applied.

Sorry to hear about the Cardinals. My hopes were with these underdogs. They put up quite a good fight.

I have to mention, though, on my broader topic...how amused I am today to find another nominee of the new presidential administration in trouble for what some would characterize as tax evasion. I will ask this: is it not interesting how the media chose to lay off of both the Treasury and HHS nominees for their admitted and significant tax crimes, er, oversights? Oversights that land lesser (connected) men in serious trouble. And yet, hints and unproven allegations of foul-mouthed Blago made the media go into a frenzy. Why the two different faces of the media? Why not the same incredulity over Geithner's and Daschle's behavior which are instead explained away as indiscretions and honest mistakes? We know they stole hundreds of thousands from the tax authority whereas we don't yet know for sure that Blago formally solicited thousands in pay for play?

By the way, regardless of what happened...call me crazy, but I think I want the new guy in charge of the IRS to be innocent of tax evasion or at least well-aware of its codes so as to not get himself in trouble over his own filings. Didn't this even merit any media scrutiny??

]]> By: James Kabala http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2009/01/30/from-the-archives-term-limits-in-illinois/comment-page-1/#comment-186654 James Kabala Sat, 31 Jan 2009 21:03:50 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=1065#comment-186654 I was intrigued by the existence of this article and disappointed by the laconic note attached to it. Not being an Illinois resident, I had hitherto assumed that Mr. Quinn was a garden-variety liberal Democrat of no particular distinction. Clearly, if he has written for a publication known for its strong and uncompromising conservatism, his views must be more distinctive than that. Who, then, is he? Is he a Midwestern (and non-veteran) Jim Webb? Is he a economically liberal, social conservative Irish Catholic of the type that flourished before Irish pols began to follow Ted Kennedy's pernicious lead? How did he come to be a Chronicles contributor, and how long did his association with the magazine last? I was intrigued by the existence of this article and disappointed by the laconic note attached to it. Not being an Illinois resident, I had hitherto assumed that Mr. Quinn was a garden-variety liberal Democrat of no particular distinction. Clearly, if he has written for a publication known for its strong and uncompromising conservatism, his views must be more distinctive than that.

Who, then, is he? Is he a Midwestern (and non-veteran) Jim Webb? Is he a economically liberal, social conservative Irish Catholic of the type that flourished before Irish pols began to follow Ted Kennedy's pernicious lead? How did he come to be a Chronicles contributor, and how long did his association with the magazine last?

]]> By: Buster Marshall http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2009/01/30/from-the-archives-term-limits-in-illinois/comment-page-1/#comment-186652 Buster Marshall Sat, 31 Jan 2009 19:08:56 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=1065#comment-186652 I think there is a large gap between not trusting the government and having a prejudice against any certain or larger group of offices. Anyone in power over someone else to bring charges or convictions should be watched as if you do not trust them, make sure they stay on their toes. Questions are alright to ask of our government officials. That does not say that you should spew that the judicial system is racists and the cops are racists and the law and order of our country is corrupt. People like to take a few bad apples, or many bad apples, but definitely all of them are not bad apples and yet we say they are. Yes, we may need a prosecutor one day, but that does not mean that we cannot still question our elected and non-elected government officials of their actions. I think there is a large gap between not trusting the government and having a prejudice against any certain or larger group of offices. Anyone in power over someone else to bring charges or convictions should be watched as if you do not trust them, make sure they stay on their toes. Questions are alright to ask of our government officials. That does not say that you should spew that the judicial system is racists and the cops are racists and the law and order of our country is corrupt. People like to take a few bad apples, or many bad apples, but definitely all of them are not bad apples and yet we say they are.

Yes, we may need a prosecutor one day, but that does not mean that we cannot still question our elected and non-elected government officials of their actions.

]]> By: Robert http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2009/01/30/from-the-archives-term-limits-in-illinois/comment-page-1/#comment-186650 Robert Sat, 31 Jan 2009 18:16:43 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=1065#comment-186650 #0 Joke: Q. what do you call a lawyer with an IQ of 50? A: your honor OOUCHE!!!!!!!!!!!! Easy Eitienne, your incoming posts are getting near my home and profession!!! #0 Joke:

Q. what do you call a lawyer with an IQ of 50?

A: your honor

OOUCHE!!!!!!!!!!!! Easy Eitienne, your incoming posts are getting near my home and profession!!!

]]> By: Etienne Gervaise http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2009/01/30/from-the-archives-term-limits-in-illinois/comment-page-1/#comment-186649 Etienne Gervaise Sat, 31 Jan 2009 18:06:25 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=1065#comment-186649 Mr Quinn should take note, the office is still bugged. He's likely to have his private house phone tapped too. This is not paranoia, this is the Bush-Clinton-Bush police state we didn't vote for but got anyway. Mr Quinn should take note, the office is still bugged. He's likely to have his private house phone tapped too. This is not paranoia, this is the Bush-Clinton-Bush police state we didn't vote for but got anyway.

]]> By: Etienne Gervaise http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2009/01/30/from-the-archives-term-limits-in-illinois/comment-page-1/#comment-186648 Etienne Gervaise Sat, 31 Jan 2009 17:59:32 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=1065#comment-186648 the CBA also lobbied the General Assembly in support of a pay raise for judges ... Joke: Q. what do you call a lawyer with an IQ of 50? A: your honor. Judges in the Land of Lincoln have been making some pretty bad decisions for quite a long time. The idiot in Rockford who successfully ruined that city's schools comes immediately to mind. the CBA also lobbied the General Assembly in support of a pay raise for judges ...

Joke:

Q. what do you call a lawyer with an IQ of 50?

A: your honor.

Judges in the Land of Lincoln have been making some pretty bad decisions for quite a long time. The idiot in Rockford who successfully ruined that city's schools comes immediately to mind.

]]> By: Lee http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2009/01/30/from-the-archives-term-limits-in-illinois/comment-page-1/#comment-186647 Lee Sat, 31 Jan 2009 14:55:36 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=1065#comment-186647 I agree with Eagle regarding the FBI: "It seems to me - again, as someone who does not view Blagojevich’s policy stances sympathetically - that this was a media-generated political lynching catalysed by the US prosecutor’s office." While I can't stand Blago, I keep wondering what is being stolen from us as this media frenzy goes on. The Federal prosecutor should have been required to put up when he made the arrest. To think, as the prosecutor inferred, that Senate seats are somehow sacred is pure congressolotry. And if he had waited he would have gotten even more criminals -- all of whom are worth getting rid of. It's still true, we live in and are subject to an (at best amoral) oligarchy. Our elections and legislative processes are just part of the elite's "bread and circuses". I agree with Eagle regarding the FBI: "It seems to me - again, as someone who does not view Blagojevich’s policy stances sympathetically - that this was a media-generated political lynching catalysed by the US prosecutor’s office." While I can't stand Blago, I keep wondering what is being stolen from us as this media frenzy goes on. The Federal prosecutor should have been required to put up when he made the arrest. To think, as the prosecutor inferred, that Senate seats are somehow sacred is pure congressolotry. And if he had waited he would have gotten even more criminals -- all of whom are worth getting rid of.

It's still true, we live in and are subject to an (at best amoral) oligarchy. Our elections and legislative processes are just part of the elite's "bread and circuses".

]]> By: Leo http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2009/01/30/from-the-archives-term-limits-in-illinois/comment-page-1/#comment-186646 Leo Sat, 31 Jan 2009 13:03:56 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=1065#comment-186646 Eagle, I think we've both made our points and will just be in disagreement.If I'm still around when Blago goes to trial and he is acquitted,I won't be that upset.If he is convicted,I am sure you will not be upset.We both should wish him and the prosecutors a fair trial.At the beginning of any trial,the judge and lawyers voir dire the jury pool on inter alia neutrality towards the parties.If you expressed a prejudice against the prosecutor or his office,you would be removed for cause from the jury pool.The same thing would happen to any potential juror who could not be neutral to Blago.I personally believe Blago is playing towards a potential jury pool with his recent antics.I can safely tell you there is sometimes an unseemly play for public sympathy before trial to influence the potential jurors.Although both sides play this,I have to be honest and tell you defense lawyers get away with it more often.And that's probably as it should be... clearly the prosecution is under more constitutional restraint to mind its public comments than the defense is.This accounts for some of the frustration in the prosecution's economy,if you will,of comment.As to the media...let them say what they want...any juror who cannot put what he or she has heard away and be neutral is expected to be removed.And remember the jurors are under oath(usually) in the voir dire process.Finally,as to your comments on Professor Wilson's observations--I hear you ,brother!I hear you as a small or midling(?) businessman and an attorney,I really do!!But this is a monster created by bureaucrats,"solons" and judges...not really prosecutors.When the anxious businessman is in my office,after relaxing with some banter about my office Nixon memorabilia,his first question is often,"How well do you know the prosecutor and can you get me a deal?"My answers are usually as follows:"I know him and I can work with him","I don't know him,but I know his boss" and "I can always get you a deal,but not always one worth taking....eventually my friend we'll have to consider whether you're actually innocent!"(This is said with a disarming grin).And to trial we often go.Sincerely wishing you a good weekend and GO CARDINALS!! Eagle, I think we've both made our points and will just be in disagreement.If I'm still around when Blago goes to trial and he is acquitted,I won't be that upset.If he is convicted,I am sure you will not be upset.We both should wish him and the prosecutors a fair trial.At the beginning of any trial,the judge and lawyers voir dire the jury pool on inter alia neutrality towards the parties.If you expressed a prejudice against the prosecutor or his office,you would be removed for cause from the jury pool.The same thing would happen to any potential juror who could not be neutral to Blago.I personally believe Blago is playing towards a potential jury pool with his recent antics.I can safely tell you there is sometimes an unseemly play for public sympathy before trial to influence the potential jurors.Although both sides play this,I have to be honest and tell you defense lawyers get away with it more often.And that's probably as it should be... clearly the prosecution is under more constitutional restraint to mind its public comments than the defense is.This accounts for some of the frustration in the prosecution's economy,if you will,of comment.As to the media...let them say what they want...any juror who cannot put what he or she has heard away and be neutral is expected to be removed.And remember the jurors are under oath(usually) in the voir dire process.Finally,as to your comments on Professor Wilson's observations--I hear you ,brother!I hear you as a small or midling(?) businessman and an attorney,I really do!!But this is a monster created by bureaucrats,"solons" and judges...not really prosecutors.When the anxious businessman is in my office,after relaxing with some banter about my office Nixon memorabilia,his first question is often,"How well do you know the prosecutor and can you get me a deal?"My answers are usually as follows:"I know him and I can work with him","I don't know him,but I know his boss" and "I can always get you a deal,but not always one worth taking....eventually my friend we'll have to consider whether you're actually innocent!"(This is said with a disarming grin).And to trial we often go.Sincerely wishing you a good weekend and GO CARDINALS!!

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