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		<title>By: Andrew G. Van Sant</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/12/27/bosnia-hillarys-playground/comment-page-2/#comment-185090</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew G. Van Sant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 18:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TJF@51

I presume you are refering to Trollope&#039;s novel about Augustus Melmotte.  (So many books, so little time!)  It is available at deepdiscount.com for $10.36, including free shipping.

http://www.deepdiscount.com/viewproduct.htm?productId=8065613</description>
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<p>I presume you are refering to Trollope's novel about Augustus Melmotte.  (So many books, so little time!)  It is available at deepdiscount.com for $10.36, including free shipping.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.deepdiscount.com/viewproduct.htm?productId=8065613" rel="nofollow">http://www.deepdiscount.com/viewproduct.htm?productId=8065613</a></p>
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		<title>By: TJF</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/12/27/bosnia-hillarys-playground/comment-page-2/#comment-184843</link>
		<dc:creator>TJF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank Gaffney and Kirkpatric have always struck me as imperialistic and not a little duplicitous.  Gaffney in particular is still fighting the Cold War.  The question of anti-Christian minorities--let us frame it in generic terms--is trivialized, when it is reduced to a Semitic conspiracy.  The problem developed when a robust Christian civilization began, simultaneously, to undermine its foundations and to permit non-members of that civilization to rise to positions of power and influence, which they have used to degrade still further what is left of Christendom.  It is all too easy for people like Natalie to deride paranoid conspiracy theories--and to refuse to address historical questions with candor--but what is not so easy is to be honest about &quot;The Way We Live Now.&quot;  How many have read that magnificent novel that explores these problems with far greater intelligence and sensitivity than one can find on any website?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank Gaffney and Kirkpatric have always struck me as imperialistic and not a little duplicitous.  Gaffney in particular is still fighting the Cold War.  The question of anti-Christian minorities--let us frame it in generic terms--is trivialized, when it is reduced to a Semitic conspiracy.  The problem developed when a robust Christian civilization began, simultaneously, to undermine its foundations and to permit non-members of that civilization to rise to positions of power and influence, which they have used to degrade still further what is left of Christendom.  It is all too easy for people like Natalie to deride paranoid conspiracy theories--and to refuse to address historical questions with candor--but what is not so easy is to be honest about "The Way We Live Now."  How many have read that magnificent novel that explores these problems with far greater intelligence and sensitivity than one can find on any website?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Averko</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/12/27/bosnia-hillarys-playground/comment-page-1/#comment-184828</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Averko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 10:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow!

You&#039;re uncritically watching, listening and reading the selected biases.

You&#039;re right that being of a given ethno-religious background  doesn&#039;t automatically make one think in a certain way (this includes Jews).

If every person from a given group thought in one particular political direction, I can see why some might&#039;ve a basis for a collective dislike.  

What do Catholic paleocons think of Frank Gaffney and the late Jeane Kirkpatrick (a rhetorically put question)?

I know Jews who are patriotically inclined towards Russia. 

Mass media outlets seem to not find such people as much as those that have apparently influenced what you&#039;ve said.

Lieven studying under Bzrezinski hasn&#039;t made the former think like the latter. Say what you want of Lieven, he&#039;s not close to Brzezinski. Lieven&#039;s criticism of Russia&#039;s wars in Chechnya is along the lines of an across the board liberal.

As per what some others said, these matters have been  discussed at length and drift away from the above article.

I raised some earlier points regarding Dr. T&#039;s article and am interested  in any feedback to them.

http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=832#comment-184767

What I&#039;m seeing at this thread is bickering among folks who despite their differences on other topics seem to be sympathetic to Dr. T&#039;s core views on former Yugo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!</p>
<p>You're uncritically watching, listening and reading the selected biases.</p>
<p>You're right that being of a given ethno-religious background  doesn't automatically make one think in a certain way (this includes Jews).</p>
<p>If every person from a given group thought in one particular political direction, I can see why some might've a basis for a collective dislike.  </p>
<p>What do Catholic paleocons think of Frank Gaffney and the late Jeane Kirkpatrick (a rhetorically put question)?</p>
<p>I know Jews who are patriotically inclined towards Russia. </p>
<p>Mass media outlets seem to not find such people as much as those that have apparently influenced what you've said.</p>
<p>Lieven studying under Bzrezinski hasn't made the former think like the latter. Say what you want of Lieven, he's not close to Brzezinski. Lieven's criticism of Russia's wars in Chechnya is along the lines of an across the board liberal.</p>
<p>As per what some others said, these matters have been  discussed at length and drift away from the above article.</p>
<p>I raised some earlier points regarding Dr. T's article and am interested  in any feedback to them.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=832#comment-184767" rel="nofollow">http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=832#comment-184767</a></p>
<p>What I'm seeing at this thread is bickering among folks who despite their differences on other topics seem to be sympathetic to Dr. T's core views on former Yugo.</p>
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		<title>By: george</title>
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		<dc:creator>george</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 08:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@32Michael Averko

&quot;Your earlier used term “international Jewry” has since been replaced with “organized Jewry.”

I said international organised Jewry in my previous comment not international Jewry which I later shortened to organised Jewry.

&quot;I understand that Lieven is of a White Russian background. I don’t always agree with him. However, I think it’s off base to say that he thinks along the general lines of Brzezinski.&quot;

When he was made an appearance on C-Span he or the announcer mentioned that he tutored under Zbignew Brezinski. 

Being of white Russian background has no relevance on the objectiveness of his views. On the contrary outside of Russia Russians have no ethnic loyalty to there homeland like say the Irish or any other ethnic group in fact the opposite is true they are hostile to Russia as much as a Pole, Czech or any of the Baltic countries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@32Michael Averko</p>
<p>"Your earlier used term “international Jewry” has since been replaced with “organized Jewry.”</p>
<p>I said international organised Jewry in my previous comment not international Jewry which I later shortened to organised Jewry.</p>
<p>"I understand that Lieven is of a White Russian background. I don’t always agree with him. However, I think it’s off base to say that he thinks along the general lines of Brzezinski."</p>
<p>When he was made an appearance on C-Span he or the announcer mentioned that he tutored under Zbignew Brezinski. </p>
<p>Being of white Russian background has no relevance on the objectiveness of his views. On the contrary outside of Russia Russians have no ethnic loyalty to there homeland like say the Irish or any other ethnic group in fact the opposite is true they are hostile to Russia as much as a Pole, Czech or any of the Baltic countries.</p>
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		<title>By: PcH</title>
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		<dc:creator>PcH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 06:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And so the flood resumes...</description>
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		<title>By: Natalie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Natalie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 05:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not a neocon.  I technically don&#039;t even consider myself a conservative.  

To suggest that the Jews are engaging in a vast conspiracy or &quot;international&quot; or &quot;organized&quot; Jewry is possibly one of the stupidest things I have ever heard in my life.  Do you also believe that they steal Christian children and murder them to use their blood for matzah?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm not a neocon.  I technically don't even consider myself a conservative.  </p>
<p>To suggest that the Jews are engaging in a vast conspiracy or "international" or "organized" Jewry is possibly one of the stupidest things I have ever heard in my life.  Do you also believe that they steal Christian children and murder them to use their blood for matzah?</p>
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		<title>By: george</title>
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		<dc:creator>george</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 05:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did Srdja Trifkovic mention before about three German intelligence officers throwing bombs at EU offices in Kososvo?

http://www.slobodan-milosevic.org/news/ds112408.htm

Perhaps there is a wider geopolitical agenda for causing instability in Bosnia and further intervention?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did Srdja Trifkovic mention before about three German intelligence officers throwing bombs at EU offices in Kososvo?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.slobodan-milosevic.org/news/ds112408.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.slobodan-milosevic.org/news/ds112408.htm</a></p>
<p>Perhaps there is a wider geopolitical agenda for causing instability in Bosnia and further intervention?</p>
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		<title>By: PcH</title>
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		<dc:creator>PcH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 04:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least, whenever ST writes about Kosovo and Slim and friends chime in that they didn&#039;t do it, readership instantly skyrockets.  For they are forthwith refuted in a 1000 comments.

Is Kosovo is not only Serbia&#039;s heart but the whole world&#039;s?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least, whenever ST writes about Kosovo and Slim and friends chime in that they didn't do it, readership instantly skyrockets.  For they are forthwith refuted in a 1000 comments.</p>
<p>Is Kosovo is not only Serbia's heart but the whole world's?</p>
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		<title>By: P. Stwart</title>
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		<dc:creator>P. Stwart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How disappointing that the discussion on Dr. Trifkovic&#039;s excellent article has been so derailed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How disappointing that the discussion on Dr. Trifkovic's excellent article has been so derailed.</p>
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		<title>By: TJF</title>
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		<dc:creator>TJF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely right.  The fault, dear Brutus, lies not with the Jews but with ourselves.  It was only in the later 19th century that some Jews took leading roles in our destruction, but even Marx and Freud are inconceivable without dozens of postChristian intellectuals who blazed the trail for them.  So long as we blame the Jews for what is wrong, we shall never have the mental clarity or courage to begin reforming ourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely right.  The fault, dear Brutus, lies not with the Jews but with ourselves.  It was only in the later 19th century that some Jews took leading roles in our destruction, but even Marx and Freud are inconceivable without dozens of postChristian intellectuals who blazed the trail for them.  So long as we blame the Jews for what is wrong, we shall never have the mental clarity or courage to begin reforming ourselves.</p>
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