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		<title>By: george</title>
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		<dc:creator>george</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@49Michael Averko

They only consider the western hemisphere of Russia Moscow and St Petersburg European.

As a whole they consider Russians a half breed half Mongolian and half white.

The recent Georgia conflict is a good example everyone knows Georgia started it yet when you read comments on YouTube even Peter Lavelles comment section on Russia Today its “KGB propaganda” or “F Russia” or they change the subject on go on to something else on the attack mode. 
The majority of online and mainstream commentators and pundits took the pro-Georgian line bar a handful of exceptions like Srdja Trifkovic here at Chronicles.

Brussels Journal slandered Russia Today and other Russia media outlets for having a different take on the conflict.
Like the pro-Georgian perspective was the only viewpoint. 

And also after Litvenchko Plutonium smuggling/poison fiasco Universities in London and the US voted in a campus debate if Russia is an enemy and the majority voted yes so it is official Europe and the US see Russia as an enemy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@49Michael Averko</p>
<p>They only consider the western hemisphere of Russia Moscow and St Petersburg European.</p>
<p>As a whole they consider Russians a half breed half Mongolian and half white.</p>
<p>The recent Georgia conflict is a good example everyone knows Georgia started it yet when you read comments on YouTube even Peter Lavelles comment section on Russia Today its “KGB propaganda” or “F Russia” or they change the subject on go on to something else on the attack mode.<br />
The majority of online and mainstream commentators and pundits took the pro-Georgian line bar a handful of exceptions like Srdja Trifkovic here at Chronicles.</p>
<p>Brussels Journal slandered Russia Today and other Russia media outlets for having a different take on the conflict.<br />
Like the pro-Georgian perspective was the only viewpoint. </p>
<p>And also after Litvenchko Plutonium smuggling/poison fiasco Universities in London and the US voted in a campus debate if Russia is an enemy and the majority voted yes so it is official Europe and the US see Russia as an enemy.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Averko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Averko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 03:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Etienne

Upon a quick web search, I see her name mentioned with the referenced water issue.  It must be the same Anna (&quot;Red Anna&quot;),  as per the note at the search results, that she&#039;s a Romanian Communist.

Over the course of time, ethnic Germans found their way to Russia. A number of them were recruited for the skills they offered.

George

Russians are &quot;Europeans.&quot; If one wants to say &quot;Eurasian,&quot; keep in mind the ethnic and linguistic background of some others (include Hungarians and Finns).

In international sports competitions, Russia competes in European tournaments.

At times, a number of folks seem to display pious attitude towards Russians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Etienne</p>
<p>Upon a quick web search, I see her name mentioned with the referenced water issue.  It must be the same Anna ("Red Anna"),  as per the note at the search results, that she's a Romanian Communist.</p>
<p>Over the course of time, ethnic Germans found their way to Russia. A number of them were recruited for the skills they offered.</p>
<p>George</p>
<p>Russians are "Europeans." If one wants to say "Eurasian," keep in mind the ethnic and linguistic background of some others (include Hungarians and Finns).</p>
<p>In international sports competitions, Russia competes in European tournaments.</p>
<p>At times, a number of folks seem to display pious attitude towards Russians.</p>
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		<title>By: Etienne Gervaise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Etienne Gervaise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@46 Michael

The hacks can go and stuff themselves.  

From what I understand, the bitter fruit of communism resulted in a lowered birth rate.  Some local mayors in small-town Russia are faced with empty houses in their localities.  They are offering free housing to couples who promise to bear three children, AND NOT CONSUME ALCOHOL!  I have not done any follow-upon these projects, but they show that Russia might just be a happening place to live in the next few years.

I once saw a photo of a Russian WWII graveyard and saw several graves bearing german names.  It was odd seeing a Schultz killed by the invading Hun.  I don&#039;t believe the modern German has any grievance against  Medvedev&#039;s Russia, they need the fuel supplies.  Poland&#039;s location between them probably doesn&#039;t matter either.  The problem lies in the bowels of Foggy Bottom.

Is the Anna Paulker you&#039;re referring to the fluoridated water website?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@46 Michael</p>
<p>The hacks can go and stuff themselves.  </p>
<p>From what I understand, the bitter fruit of communism resulted in a lowered birth rate.  Some local mayors in small-town Russia are faced with empty houses in their localities.  They are offering free housing to couples who promise to bear three children, AND NOT CONSUME ALCOHOL!  I have not done any follow-upon these projects, but they show that Russia might just be a happening place to live in the next few years.</p>
<p>I once saw a photo of a Russian WWII graveyard and saw several graves bearing german names.  It was odd seeing a Schultz killed by the invading Hun.  I don't believe the modern German has any grievance against  Medvedev's Russia, they need the fuel supplies.  Poland's location between them probably doesn't matter either.  The problem lies in the bowels of Foggy Bottom.</p>
<p>Is the Anna Paulker you're referring to the fluoridated water website?</p>
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		<title>By: george</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@46Michael Averko

Europeans and Americans hate Russians.

They seem to have a superiority complex especially here in Britain like a colonel power over an African colony.

I have also notice what psychoanalysis Carl Jung calls projection where Europeans and Americans projecting there own negative thoughts on Russians and attributing to what Russians think about Europeans and Americans.

After this latest Georgia stunt I hope they begin to realise this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@46Michael Averko</p>
<p>Europeans and Americans hate Russians.</p>
<p>They seem to have a superiority complex especially here in Britain like a colonel power over an African colony.</p>
<p>I have also notice what psychoanalysis Carl Jung calls projection where Europeans and Americans projecting there own negative thoughts on Russians and attributing to what Russians think about Europeans and Americans.</p>
<p>After this latest Georgia stunt I hope they begin to realise this.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Averko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Averko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 06:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Etienne

I&#039;m also aware of the Anna Paulkers after WW II.

Likewise, with how some started to be perceived as they migrated to (what&#039;s now clearly known as) Ukraine during an earlier period of Polish rule.

The murder of the Tsar and his family was gruesome. Ditto what happened to some others deemed as coming from a certain class.

The point being that things shouldn&#039;t be taken to a level along the lines of the concentration camps.

All this is said by someone who isn&#039;t a big fan of collective guilt syndrome. What Serbs face in some circles is BS. 

I&#039;d a discussion with someone on why Russians don&#039;t hate Germans as much as this person thought and vice versa. I told him that I think many of them have a self historicated understanding, which seems comparatively lacking among others.

One must choose their words carefully when discussing this and other matters. The hacks are lurking to defame what they don&#039;t like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Etienne</p>
<p>I'm also aware of the Anna Paulkers after WW II.</p>
<p>Likewise, with how some started to be perceived as they migrated to (what's now clearly known as) Ukraine during an earlier period of Polish rule.</p>
<p>The murder of the Tsar and his family was gruesome. Ditto what happened to some others deemed as coming from a certain class.</p>
<p>The point being that things shouldn't be taken to a level along the lines of the concentration camps.</p>
<p>All this is said by someone who isn't a big fan of collective guilt syndrome. What Serbs face in some circles is BS. </p>
<p>I'd a discussion with someone on why Russians don't hate Germans as much as this person thought and vice versa. I told him that I think many of them have a self historicated understanding, which seems comparatively lacking among others.</p>
<p>One must choose their words carefully when discussing this and other matters. The hacks are lurking to defame what they don't like.</p>
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		<title>By: Etienne Gervaise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Etienne Gervaise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@44 Michael
... combined with the perception of a comparatively higher Jewish standard of living ...

That standard of living in Romania, and probably other Central European nations, came at the expense of massive stock swindles in which families lost everything.  Couple that with the hosts being called &quot;cattle&quot; by the crooks caused a lot of bad blood.  The concentration camps did not happen in a vacuum, there was a root cause, which seemed to be justice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@44 Michael<br />
... combined with the perception of a comparatively higher Jewish standard of living ...</p>
<p>That standard of living in Romania, and probably other Central European nations, came at the expense of massive stock swindles in which families lost everything.  Couple that with the hosts being called "cattle" by the crooks caused a lot of bad blood.  The concentration camps did not happen in a vacuum, there was a root cause, which seemed to be justice.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Averko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Averko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>icr

Numerous accounts show that the Germans of 1936 were favorible towards Owens.

What developed against the Jews was related in part to their small but noticeable enough numbers in Europe - combined with the perception of a comparatively higher Jewish standard of living -  among people of a non-Christian religious denomination. 

In relation to all this, I understand that per capita wise, the Roma suffered a greater fate during WW II. 

IMO, a good number of  present day WASP Southerners impress as having a strong regional pride, blended in with a good sense of American patriotism. 

George &amp; Joseph

In the post-Cold War world, the left/right divide has become even more complex. A faction of the left and right can agree on some issues against another faction of the left and right.

Alexander Cockburn recently had a piece in the American Conservative. Paul Craig Roberts frequently appears in Counterpunch, as well as in Chronicles and Antiwar.com.

These points relate to my eclectic preference of seeing things in a way that often overrides left versus right perceptions.

I&#039;m sometimes facinated with the inner differences among the left. The same holds true with the right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>icr</p>
<p>Numerous accounts show that the Germans of 1936 were favorible towards Owens.</p>
<p>What developed against the Jews was related in part to their small but noticeable enough numbers in Europe - combined with the perception of a comparatively higher Jewish standard of living -  among people of a non-Christian religious denomination. </p>
<p>In relation to all this, I understand that per capita wise, the Roma suffered a greater fate during WW II. </p>
<p>IMO, a good number of  present day WASP Southerners impress as having a strong regional pride, blended in with a good sense of American patriotism. </p>
<p>George &amp; Joseph</p>
<p>In the post-Cold War world, the left/right divide has become even more complex. A faction of the left and right can agree on some issues against another faction of the left and right.</p>
<p>Alexander Cockburn recently had a piece in the American Conservative. Paul Craig Roberts frequently appears in Counterpunch, as well as in Chronicles and Antiwar.com.</p>
<p>These points relate to my eclectic preference of seeing things in a way that often overrides left versus right perceptions.</p>
<p>I'm sometimes facinated with the inner differences among the left. The same holds true with the right.</p>
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		<title>By: Boba Borojevic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boba Borojevic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 00:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/024316.html

The LRC Blog
December 08, 2008
Infamy Indeed
Posted by Mike Tennant at December 8, 2008 01:00 PM

As a companion piece to Bob Higgs&#039;s blog on Pearl Harbor Day, you can&#039;t do much better than this one by Srdja Trifkovic, who goes into the detail that Higgs did not have room to describe in his blog. It&#039;s pretty devastating when laid out in a timeline this way. Oh, yes. He also cites Rothbard approvingly, linking to Scott Trask&#039;s review of Robert Stinnett&#039;s Day of Deceit here at LRC.</description>
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<p>The LRC Blog<br />
December 08, 2008<br />
Infamy Indeed<br />
Posted by Mike Tennant at December 8, 2008 01:00 PM</p>
<p>As a companion piece to Bob Higgs's blog on Pearl Harbor Day, you can't do much better than this one by Srdja Trifkovic, who goes into the detail that Higgs did not have room to describe in his blog. It's pretty devastating when laid out in a timeline this way. Oh, yes. He also cites Rothbard approvingly, linking to Scott Trask's review of Robert Stinnett's Day of Deceit here at LRC.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Salemi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Salemi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 03:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>icr @ 41

What you say in your first paragraph is very interesting.  In the South (any everywhere else in the world of 1940) white supremacy was so total and established and taken for granted that it never even occurred to anyone that the situation might change.

And no one dreamt that the mere fact of World War II would pull the plug on that condition forever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>icr @ 41</p>
<p>What you say in your first paragraph is very interesting.  In the South (any everywhere else in the world of 1940) white supremacy was so total and established and taken for granted that it never even occurred to anyone that the situation might change.</p>
<p>And no one dreamt that the mere fact of World War II would pull the plug on that condition forever.</p>
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		<title>By: icr</title>
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		<dc:creator>icr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 01:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joseph Salemi @33

White Supremacy was assumed in the pre-WW2 South. When  FDR refused to even support an anti-lynching bill what would possibly cause the South to seek a friend  in  NS Germany.  Southerners probably saw Nazis as trouble-making radicals similar to Communists. 


Also, Hitler was primarily a German nationalist and an anti-Semite. He didn&#039;t have the same set of enemies(whether real or imagined) as white Southerners. I even doubt whether whatever  contempt he had for non-whites was much different from the average Western leader of the time. Such propaganda stories as his alleged snubbing of Jesse Owens have been thoroughly debunked. And his main wartime allies were the non-white Japanese, with the Japanese Ambassador, Baron Oshima,arguably his closest wartime confidant. Allied cryptographic  people  were very pleased that  Hitler seemed to discuss almost everything of consequence with Oshima and Oshima sent the details to Japan using the compromised Purple code.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joseph Salemi @33</p>
<p>White Supremacy was assumed in the pre-WW2 South. When  FDR refused to even support an anti-lynching bill what would possibly cause the South to seek a friend  in  NS Germany.  Southerners probably saw Nazis as trouble-making radicals similar to Communists. </p>
<p>Also, Hitler was primarily a German nationalist and an anti-Semite. He didn't have the same set of enemies(whether real or imagined) as white Southerners. I even doubt whether whatever  contempt he had for non-whites was much different from the average Western leader of the time. Such propaganda stories as his alleged snubbing of Jesse Owens have been thoroughly debunked. And his main wartime allies were the non-white Japanese, with the Japanese Ambassador, Baron Oshima,arguably his closest wartime confidant. Allied cryptographic  people  were very pleased that  Hitler seemed to discuss almost everything of consequence with Oshima and Oshima sent the details to Japan using the compromised Purple code.</p>
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