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		<title>By: Clyde Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clyde Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed, there does not seem to be very much &quot;America&quot; left.  That is why some of us, a few years ago, thought we might be able to save what was left of the South, which still showed a little life.  The signs of life are still there, but they grow weaker.
What the remnants of the American people need are leaders and protective wealth.  For leaders we will needs have to wait on providence, I fear.  We need the wealth so that noone will lose his livelihood in the future from being a real American, and we will have the educational and cultural wherewithal to preserve Western civilisation for our posterity to hold onto in an alien environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, there does not seem to be very much "America" left.  That is why some of us, a few years ago, thought we might be able to save what was left of the South, which still showed a little life.  The signs of life are still there, but they grow weaker.<br />
What the remnants of the American people need are leaders and protective wealth.  For leaders we will needs have to wait on providence, I fear.  We need the wealth so that noone will lose his livelihood in the future from being a real American, and we will have the educational and cultural wherewithal to preserve Western civilisation for our posterity to hold onto in an alien environment.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Cooney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh Cooney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#33 &quot;At some point the primacy of the majority culture begins to be threatened.&quot;

Is the &quot;majority culture&quot; worth defending anymore?  Dr. Wilson remarked that we are dealing with an &quot;imaginary conservative movement,&quot; and I am beginning to think that we are also dealing with an imaginary &quot;America.&quot;  Even an imaginary &quot;Middle America.&quot;  Personally, I am almost convinced that the America of my childhood (1980&#039;s) was the end of the old America, and the beginning of something else.  I notice students only a few years younger are incapable of understanding simple concepts in American history and literature.  They find the works of Faulkner and Frost &quot;boring.&quot;  They find them boring because they cannot understand them.  The culture is too distant.  Themes such as rural life, the family, industrialization, the wilderness, tradition, the past, chivalry, etc. make no sense to young Americans.  What exactly are we defending and conserving these days?  The majority might just as well lose their heritage, be ruled by Saudi princes, Chinese businessman, Israeli lobbyists, and overrun by third-world immigrants, so long as they can watch their favorite football team on Sunday, when they obviously are not at any Christian church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#33 "At some point the primacy of the majority culture begins to be threatened."</p>
<p>Is the "majority culture" worth defending anymore?  Dr. Wilson remarked that we are dealing with an "imaginary conservative movement," and I am beginning to think that we are also dealing with an imaginary "America."  Even an imaginary "Middle America."  Personally, I am almost convinced that the America of my childhood (1980's) was the end of the old America, and the beginning of something else.  I notice students only a few years younger are incapable of understanding simple concepts in American history and literature.  They find the works of Faulkner and Frost "boring."  They find them boring because they cannot understand them.  The culture is too distant.  Themes such as rural life, the family, industrialization, the wilderness, tradition, the past, chivalry, etc. make no sense to young Americans.  What exactly are we defending and conserving these days?  The majority might just as well lose their heritage, be ruled by Saudi princes, Chinese businessman, Israeli lobbyists, and overrun by third-world immigrants, so long as they can watch their favorite football team on Sunday, when they obviously are not at any Christian church.</p>
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		<title>By: robert m. peters</title>
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		<dc:creator>robert m. peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sitting around a bonfire (probably a seditious act in the United Kingdom) last night, singing songs and eating squirrel gumbo, my mind, as it often does, wandered and thereupon bumped into the following analogy.

Conservatives, the true ones if such actually exist, are like mangy and emaciated pups pawing and sucking at the teats of their dead mother (think &quot;union of constitutionally federated republics or the Constitution itself&quot;), thinking that the rot which they are ingesting is life-giving.  Meanwhile, one by one, the empire is knocking the litter in the head; the closer the empire comes to the still living, the more urgent becomes the nursing of those left, with each entertaining the hopeless hope that the mother will rise up and kill the empire.

My mind found its way back to &quot;reality&quot; when a shower of hot embers from the fire set a lady to screaming.  The squirrel gumbo was excellent and the fellowship was sweet.  Somewhere in the distance a pack of coyotes howled.  The moon was waxing gibbous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sitting around a bonfire (probably a seditious act in the United Kingdom) last night, singing songs and eating squirrel gumbo, my mind, as it often does, wandered and thereupon bumped into the following analogy.</p>
<p>Conservatives, the true ones if such actually exist, are like mangy and emaciated pups pawing and sucking at the teats of their dead mother (think "union of constitutionally federated republics or the Constitution itself"), thinking that the rot which they are ingesting is life-giving.  Meanwhile, one by one, the empire is knocking the litter in the head; the closer the empire comes to the still living, the more urgent becomes the nursing of those left, with each entertaining the hopeless hope that the mother will rise up and kill the empire.</p>
<p>My mind found its way back to "reality" when a shower of hot embers from the fire set a lady to screaming.  The squirrel gumbo was excellent and the fellowship was sweet.  Somewhere in the distance a pack of coyotes howled.  The moon was waxing gibbous.</p>
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		<title>By: Clyde Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clyde Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S.  As to what you should do I have no good idea.  The worn, lopsided ball of American conservatism is in your court.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S.  As to what you should do I have no good idea.  The worn, lopsided ball of American conservatism is in your court.</p>
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		<title>By: Clyde Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clyde Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Hayter, you make some excellent points.  However, to my question about your original statement:  There is no such being as &quot;the Right&quot; in America.  There is ceretainly no such being with the capacity to  &quot;focus upon,&quot; decide and act.  If there were such a being the entire vast machinery of mainstream (i.e. leftist) America and the entire vastly organised and funded machinery of the Republican party would be mobilised to kill it.
I and many others have &quot;focused on&quot;  the right things for half a century.  You young people will have to become actors, not &quot;focus  uponers&quot;  for an imaginary &quot;conservative  movement.&quot;   I am trying to hint at a need for you talented and honourable younger people to move beyond conventional fantasies about &quot;the Right&quot;  deciding what to &quot;focus on.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Hayter, you make some excellent points.  However, to my question about your original statement:  There is no such being as "the Right" in America.  There is ceretainly no such being with the capacity to  "focus upon," decide and act.  If there were such a being the entire vast machinery of mainstream (i.e. leftist) America and the entire vastly organised and funded machinery of the Republican party would be mobilised to kill it.<br />
I and many others have "focused on"  the right things for half a century.  You young people will have to become actors, not "focus  uponers"  for an imaginary "conservative  movement."   I am trying to hint at a need for you talented and honourable younger people to move beyond conventional fantasies about "the Right"  deciding what to "focus on."</p>
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		<title>By: A. Hayter</title>
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		<dc:creator>A. Hayter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prof. Wilson:

I&#039;m not usually this obtuse, but by &quot;DO&quot; do you mean: eg, write essays; write novels, plays or poetry; read books; get married; join the Minutemen at the border, if they&#039;re still there; run for office; clean our guns; go back to law school; pray? 

What conservative thinkers specifically need to &#039;do&#039; is ascertain the morality (theological justification, if any) of Western survival. The political difficulties of the Right will only increase in the future, because they stem finally from a new Zeitgeist, which consists, on the theoretical level, of a sweeping rejection of the moral legitimacy of any claims of particularity, and, on the empirical one, of an unprecedented (and growing) demographic imbalance between &#039;the West and the rest&#039;. 

Let me be less euphemistic. Western civilization is white racial civilization (or at least, our intellectual and cultural achievements rest, as do those of any civilization, on a general biological base - &#039;human nature&#039; - as well as a specific racial one). It might be possible to transmit Occidental culture, behavioral norms, morality and outlook to other races, but I am sceptical. Or, at least, when other peoples appropriate aspects of Western civ, they never precisely reproduce our way of life in toto. Their psyches, I believe, remain culturally differently conditioned (if not also biologically non-identical). 

Suppose I am correct. Then the growing non-white presence in the West represents a direct threat to the ultimate survival of the civilization. We can handle some minorities in our midst (especially if we were more culturally confident), and still preserve the core elements of or way of life. But numbers matter. At some point the primacy of the majority culture begins to be threatened. 

Every exogenous factor is pushing what Pat Buchanan bravely calls the Death of the West. In other words, we are like men in a runaway car heading towards a cliff. I believe that only a militant (and possibly violent) assertion of white nationalist will in various Western countries can avert cultural and eventually racial extinction. What we &#039;thinkers&#039; (not sure whether I would include myself in such an august category) need to &#039;do&#039;, is ascertain the moral boundaries of any national-preservationist action. Of course, we can organize protests against mass imigration. Any nation has a moral right to draw boundaries around itself (as do individual homeowners). But what if we are governed by traitors with no loyalty to the nations or peoples they govern, who are actively, say, allowing for the importation of Muslims into Christendom? What may patriots do to resist? Your otherwise very distinguished editor seems to think that the answer is private Christian education, coupled with responsible voting - but that organizing mass movements based on national identity (let alone race) is somehow &quot;un-Christian&quot;. Is it? What if sowing seeds of ethnic division is, ironically, the most effective way to save European Christendom? May we do so?

These are some of the types of questions rightist scholars need to address before we will ever get concerted resistance to global homogenization off the ground. Western Man is preeminently Ethical Man. But he lacks the ethics of his own preservation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prof. Wilson:</p>
<p>I'm not usually this obtuse, but by "DO" do you mean: eg, write essays; write novels, plays or poetry; read books; get married; join the Minutemen at the border, if they're still there; run for office; clean our guns; go back to law school; pray? </p>
<p>What conservative thinkers specifically need to 'do' is ascertain the morality (theological justification, if any) of Western survival. The political difficulties of the Right will only increase in the future, because they stem finally from a new Zeitgeist, which consists, on the theoretical level, of a sweeping rejection of the moral legitimacy of any claims of particularity, and, on the empirical one, of an unprecedented (and growing) demographic imbalance between 'the West and the rest'. </p>
<p>Let me be less euphemistic. Western civilization is white racial civilization (or at least, our intellectual and cultural achievements rest, as do those of any civilization, on a general biological base - 'human nature' - as well as a specific racial one). It might be possible to transmit Occidental culture, behavioral norms, morality and outlook to other races, but I am sceptical. Or, at least, when other peoples appropriate aspects of Western civ, they never precisely reproduce our way of life in toto. Their psyches, I believe, remain culturally differently conditioned (if not also biologically non-identical). </p>
<p>Suppose I am correct. Then the growing non-white presence in the West represents a direct threat to the ultimate survival of the civilization. We can handle some minorities in our midst (especially if we were more culturally confident), and still preserve the core elements of or way of life. But numbers matter. At some point the primacy of the majority culture begins to be threatened. </p>
<p>Every exogenous factor is pushing what Pat Buchanan bravely calls the Death of the West. In other words, we are like men in a runaway car heading towards a cliff. I believe that only a militant (and possibly violent) assertion of white nationalist will in various Western countries can avert cultural and eventually racial extinction. What we 'thinkers' (not sure whether I would include myself in such an august category) need to 'do', is ascertain the moral boundaries of any national-preservationist action. Of course, we can organize protests against mass imigration. Any nation has a moral right to draw boundaries around itself (as do individual homeowners). But what if we are governed by traitors with no loyalty to the nations or peoples they govern, who are actively, say, allowing for the importation of Muslims into Christendom? What may patriots do to resist? Your otherwise very distinguished editor seems to think that the answer is private Christian education, coupled with responsible voting - but that organizing mass movements based on national identity (let alone race) is somehow "un-Christian". Is it? What if sowing seeds of ethnic division is, ironically, the most effective way to save European Christendom? May we do so?</p>
<p>These are some of the types of questions rightist scholars need to address before we will ever get concerted resistance to global homogenization off the ground. Western Man is preeminently Ethical Man. But he lacks the ethics of his own preservation.</p>
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		<title>By: Clyde Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clyde Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Hayter, alas, you entirely miss the import of my question.  What should we (you and I and fellow thinkers) DO?.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Hayter, alas, you entirely miss the import of my question.  What should we (you and I and fellow thinkers) DO?.</p>
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		<title>By: A. Hayter</title>
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		<dc:creator>A. Hayter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prof. Wilson: 

(I have copied this from the comments section of your previous article, as you might not be going back there again.) 

Thank you for that clarification, and apologies for the delay in responding. Alas, I’m not too sure how precisely we go about achieving that agenda (or any other conservative one). My point was simply that the Right’s capital is obviously so limited, and the situation is deteriorating so rapidly, that we need to husband our energies, donations, activism, etc. to get the greatest marginal returns, and that means re-focusing our intellectual, educational and political efforts towards those areas which directly threaten the physical interests (ie, personal safety, and economic prosperity, along with national sovereignty, the loss of which would end our scope of action without even a fight) of traditional Americans. I want serious conservatives to start ‘prioritizing’ their overall agenda, jettisoning concern over secondary issues.

I wish this weren’t necessary. I wish we had never changed our immigration laws, had passed the Bricker Amendment, still hung murderers, retained a ‘dollar as good as gold’, etc. Then we could gently make the complex arguments on behalf of sexual ethics, traditional moral values and cultural standards, and so forth. But I perceive our future ever less dimly, and it looks increasingly like the “new” South Africa’s present. What did Sam Francis say long ago about the “basics” that are all most people really care about: personal safety, putting food on the table, not living in continuous fear, etc.? Outside of exceptional times and places (eg, 1861-5)Americans have mostly possessed those “basics” The day may come, however, when they can no longer be taken for granted.

If I am being asked about the specific, or even just secondary, mechanics of achieving immigration stoppage, etc., I just don’t know. That’s a tall order you’ve given me! But I do know a few things. I think Sam’s strategy of Middle American nationalism is still the correct one. I think we need some sort of ‘center’, say, a “Middle American PAC”. Each of us needs, first, to educate himself on the issues, and then constantly try to persuade others of the empirical and moral soundness of our positions. Above all, conservative intellectual leaders need to reach some sort of consensus as to what in fact ARE the key issues (I bet a lot would say ‘abortion’; others ‘national defense’). My post represents my ordering of the top concerns for conservatives.

Upon what do you think the Right should focus?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prof. Wilson: </p>
<p>(I have copied this from the comments section of your previous article, as you might not be going back there again.) </p>
<p>Thank you for that clarification, and apologies for the delay in responding. Alas, I’m not too sure how precisely we go about achieving that agenda (or any other conservative one). My point was simply that the Right’s capital is obviously so limited, and the situation is deteriorating so rapidly, that we need to husband our energies, donations, activism, etc. to get the greatest marginal returns, and that means re-focusing our intellectual, educational and political efforts towards those areas which directly threaten the physical interests (ie, personal safety, and economic prosperity, along with national sovereignty, the loss of which would end our scope of action without even a fight) of traditional Americans. I want serious conservatives to start ‘prioritizing’ their overall agenda, jettisoning concern over secondary issues.</p>
<p>I wish this weren’t necessary. I wish we had never changed our immigration laws, had passed the Bricker Amendment, still hung murderers, retained a ‘dollar as good as gold’, etc. Then we could gently make the complex arguments on behalf of sexual ethics, traditional moral values and cultural standards, and so forth. But I perceive our future ever less dimly, and it looks increasingly like the “new” South Africa’s present. What did Sam Francis say long ago about the “basics” that are all most people really care about: personal safety, putting food on the table, not living in continuous fear, etc.? Outside of exceptional times and places (eg, 1861-5)Americans have mostly possessed those “basics” The day may come, however, when they can no longer be taken for granted.</p>
<p>If I am being asked about the specific, or even just secondary, mechanics of achieving immigration stoppage, etc., I just don’t know. That’s a tall order you’ve given me! But I do know a few things. I think Sam’s strategy of Middle American nationalism is still the correct one. I think we need some sort of ‘center’, say, a “Middle American PAC”. Each of us needs, first, to educate himself on the issues, and then constantly try to persuade others of the empirical and moral soundness of our positions. Above all, conservative intellectual leaders need to reach some sort of consensus as to what in fact ARE the key issues (I bet a lot would say ‘abortion’; others ‘national defense’). My post represents my ordering of the top concerns for conservatives.</p>
<p>Upon what do you think the Right should focus?</p>
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		<title>By: Etienne Gervaise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Etienne Gervaise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 16:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@26 Leo

Since the Stupid Party elite has bungled its activities in the Free State by sucking leftward and grubbing for money, it was encouraging to see several young Ron Paul disciples run against entrenched House democrats and do surprisinly well with nothing more than Dr. Paul&#039;s email endorsements and some help from WBAL.</description>
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<p>Since the Stupid Party elite has bungled its activities in the Free State by sucking leftward and grubbing for money, it was encouraging to see several young Ron Paul disciples run against entrenched House democrats and do surprisinly well with nothing more than Dr. Paul's email endorsements and some help from WBAL.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew G. Van Sant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew G. Van Sant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 15:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leo @26:
As the Hispanics move in, they are displacing blacks.  The local paper has begun to comment on the fact that most crimes are committed by blacks, but thay haven&#039;t yet commented on the rivalry between Hispanics and blacks.  Meanwhile, the community in which I live is seeing more criminal incursions from the nearby public housing, including a couple of home invasions.  Recently, an outsider broke in to the home of two women in their 80s as they sat at their kitchen table.  One hit the invader over the head with her cane and he departed in a hurry.

Our local homeowners association is considering a measure to increase our annual budget by $125,000 to fund a dedicated county police patrol for the community.  It will cost each homeowner about $8-$9 per month.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leo @26:<br />
As the Hispanics move in, they are displacing blacks.  The local paper has begun to comment on the fact that most crimes are committed by blacks, but thay haven't yet commented on the rivalry between Hispanics and blacks.  Meanwhile, the community in which I live is seeing more criminal incursions from the nearby public housing, including a couple of home invasions.  Recently, an outsider broke in to the home of two women in their 80s as they sat at their kitchen table.  One hit the invader over the head with her cane and he departed in a hurry.</p>
<p>Our local homeowners association is considering a measure to increase our annual budget by $125,000 to fund a dedicated county police patrol for the community.  It will cost each homeowner about $8-$9 per month.</p>
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