Ignorant Armies: Final Thoughts on the Election
This election is too tedious a farce to deserve a serious editorial, but since I wake up every morning with a few complaints that I inflict upon my family, I may as well subject my readers to some of them.
Watching McCain on the news or in a commercial, I become convinced that he is the most evil piece of selfishness who has ever run for the presidency, but my disgust quickly ebbs away when the simpering Obama takes the stage. I can understand people who vote for McCain's resume or support him as the lesser of two evils, but I no longer want to know anyone who votes for Obama for any reason. He is an enemy of anything good that has ever been done in this country or this civilization, and when he is elected, I hope that all those Silicon Valley libertarians who supported him will live to see their property confiscated and their kids sent to reeducation camps. Yes, that is mean-spirited and unChristianm but it is unsettling to realize that you have lived among such monsters for so long without grasping the depth of their depravity and stupidity.
The McCain people are apparently too stupid to pin Obama as a Marxist. When Obama answers the charge that he favors redistribution of wealth by giving his cute line about sharing his cookie in kindergarten, all McCain had to do was to point out that Obama is not planning to share his cookies but ours. Poor Rush Limbaugh cannot believe that the American people are stupid enough to vote for socialism. I wish I shared his naiveté. The McCain camp is forever dissecting Obama's tax proposals as if they seriously believe that campaign platforms and policy statements have anything to do with reality. All politicians are liars--surely McCain looks in the mirror often enough to know that--so nothing they say in a campaign can be interpreted as a sincere reflection of what they actually believe, much less as a proposal they intend to carry out. Getting bogged down on what the O'Reilly likes to call minutiae (all those facts he cannot comprehend) is exactly the wrong strategy. To the extent Obama believes anything he is a socialist, to the left of Biden and Pelosi. He may not be able to do much about it, other than impose socialized medicine, bankrupt the government, and wreck the economy, but it will not be for lack of conviction.
Where is Willie Horton when you need him? The Republicans have to play the "race card" because they have few other cards to play. White Catholics are gravitating toward Obama, even some pro-life Catholics. People who have lost their money in the markets are praying for another Clinton administration. And, by now, the argument that "the surge has worked" is cutting little ice with people whose sons and daughters may be stuck in Iraq for another decade. The fact is, Obama has been friends with anti-white bigots of the worst type, and if McCain were not both obtuse and cowardly, he would not hesitate to play the race card--or arrange for some front group to play it for him. The world awaits the return of Willie Horton in the guise of Jeremiah Wright.
The other night in New York I told a small gathering that I did not blame anyone for voting for John McCain. Someone shouted out that he was voting for Sarah Palin. I was content to point out he could not have read the ballot, but, really, in the unlikely event of a McCain victory, I will pray for the continued health of Senator McCain. Palin is Dan Quayle in a designer outfit. Quayle was a cute guy, they all said, and a sound conservative. Mr. Buckley informed the world that Dan Quayle was not as dumb as he seemed. His spiritual heirs are saying the same thing about Ms Palin. Perhaps both of them have IQ's high enough to boil water on the Celsius scale, but there is more to dumbness than a low IQ. Some peope are simply clueless, incapable even of realizing just how obtuse they are. That is Palin in a nutshell.
Dan Larison on his Eunomia blog now on AmCon has drawn attention to our old friend Stacy McCain's defense of ignorance. Palin and her supporters are virtuous, he is arguing, precisely because what they don't know won't hurt them. I fear, however, that it will hurt us. This is worth an entire issue of the magazine. Since Socrates (at least) we have understood that to pilot the ship of state requires skill, not just a good heart, especially when that ship is no longer a simple republican skiff but a nuclear powered submarine armed with missiles carrying nuclear warheads. Besides, it is easier to make a judgment of someone's experience and competence than of the soundness of his heart.
I haven't liked a candidate since Ronald Reagan, and even he struck me as too Hollywood to be President. My portfolio went up under Reagan, but that is about the only good thing I can say. The good news is that human happiness does not depend on which imbecille or thug is in the White House. Vote if you must, but go to bed early on election day and do not bother to read the front page of your newspaper the day after. Stick to the funny papers: They are more intelligent and more relevant to our condition than news stories and editorials. Over and out.
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A devastating and accurate portrayal of Obama's supporters. Any conservative who supports Obama a) never was much of a conservative or b) no longer is.
The America the Silicon Valley pinheads would have us live in would be a dream world as compared to the America that Obama's other financial warlords would have us in. That group is the hedge fund managers who have a fire sale in mind. Not an exact rerun of the fallen USSR but close enough that maybe an editor or two would lose his/her jobs at National Review for objecting to Frum's funders plunder run.
I have tried, I really have, to ignore these two execrable monsters, but in the run-up to Suicide Day I'm finding it harder and harder. Dr. Fleming is quite right, though: I find support of any sort for Obama to be, at the very best, simply inscrutable. Without attempting to predict what brilliant ideas he might come up with, let us concentrate on three rather narrow yet quantitatively measurable actions that are possible, perhaps likely: 1. raising or removing the social security cap; 2. a broadening of the reach of the Alternative Minimum Tax; 3. a reversal of the Bush tax cuts. To put it plainly, Obama's election is going to cost me and my family a bit of money. If I may borrow a play from Dr. Fleming's book, this means a transfer of money away from my children (for most of that lost income would go to their college savings funds) to people whom I have never known and never will. In a spectacularly innumerate society I have no idea how many people can run the numbers that far, but that there must be a decent number who are not only undisturbed by that fact, but who actually applaud it, is a sure sign of terminal self-loathing and destruction.
Alexander Solzehenitsyn very wisely said that it is sometimes better to lose a war than to win one, because a lost war makes leaders rethink their policies and implement reforms. Similarly, Republicans may benefit from losing this election. There will be a civil war within the Republican party and I hope neocons will lose it.
"but I no longer want to know anyone who votes for Obama for any reason.,"
I have felt this way for a while and have taken action in my personal life to separate myself from anyone sick enough to vote him.
I have no problem at all with Palin. I don't know how anyone makes a judgement on her when as vice-Presidential candidate she has no real chance to tell us what she thinks. Even if she is in reality a bit simple minded, I would take that over hateful destroyers of civilization like the rest of the field.
I am voting for McCain. First, he is not Obama. Second, he won't make it through his first term. For those who are voting for Baldwin and maybe even Nader, I respect you more than I respect myself, but I feel I have no choice but to vote for, as Cantor would have put it, the smaller infintity of evil.
I don't get it. Am I missing something? There are several alternatives to the two competing socialists-- Chuck Baldwin and Bob Barr come to mind. It seems to me if all the disaffected and alienated conservatives would have the backbone to vote their conscience, instead of settling for the lesser of two evils; a true conservative candidate could win by a landslide. Conservatives have no home in the Republican party. How many brick walls do you have to have fall on you before you can figure that out? It's time conservatives quit whining about the unfairness of the establishment media. No one with an IQ above room temperature reads newspapers anymore and you're never going to reach the pathetic dolts who do. As the only real Americans left; we need to stand up for what's right. We may not win; but at least we can tell our children that we took a stand for God and country.
After two years of agonizing deliberation, countless hours of Google searches on each candidate's personal and public position on "all" the issues, months spent listening to supporters of both political parties highlighting their national candidates strengths and weaknesses, I walked in solemn procession this morning holding hands with various family members to the absentee polling booth and cast my ballot for Dr. Tom Fleming and Professor Clyde Wilson; confident that "if nominated they would not run and if elected they would not serve." Having performed my duty as an informed citizen, knowing full well my state does not count write in ballots for candidates to any elected office, being of sane mind and body, I feel relieved that when that one great author of all sports comes to write about this game, he will not write whether I won or whether I lost, but rather, how I played the game!"Peace and Good cheer to all my amercan brothers and sisters and I hope I have not offended anyone. (applause) and with huge toothy smile ----
Thank You, Thank You, Thank you.(exit left and then retire to the country forever !!)
My thoughts are in perfect conformity with yours, Mr. Fleming. What we are being offered is nothing more than to vote for the continued demise of our nation. I will not be cooperating. I will not be voting. I know that the slide into oblivion will continue, but I will not have encouraged it. I'd like to think it is all a nightmare, because it is all so unbelievable, because it is so insane. I would like to wake up and find that it was only a nightmare and that sanity does prevail. God have mercy on us.
Dr. Fleming is a bit dyspeptic today, but I can't gainsay his distaste for the programs of both major party candidates. I must say, however, that the evil of the wars that McCain may well start matches the evils of the centralization Obama favors, Bush having anticipated him by semi-nationalizing the financial sector ("When Goldman, Sachs speaks, people listen!").
Baldwin not being on the ballot in our state, having been displaced by the weirdo Keyes, I have voted for Barr. Good enough as a protest vote.
"I hope that all those Silicon Valley libertarians who supported him will live to see their property confiscated and their kids sent to reeducation camps."--- that would be too good for them Fleming,I will censure my opinion on what I would like to see them endure.
"Where is Willie Horton when you need him?"--- possibly enjoying a few leisurely moments with O.J.Simpson.I wouldnt be at all surprised if Willie or O.J.'s appearance in the campaign INCREASED the popularity of Obama.Again, I shall censure the rest of my opinion on this matter.
" White Catholics are gravitating toward Obama, even some pro-life Catholics. People who have lost their money in the markets are praying for another Clinton administration."---Why didnt these worthless clowns "gravitate" towards Buchanan or Perot or even Nader? If they're wringing their hands now they only have themselves to blame.They'll receive no sympathy from me.
The problem with much of the criticism of contemporary American politics is that it tends to locate the nucleus of the problem exclusively either in evil "elites"--and yes they are evil-- letting the dear ol' American people completely off the hook,or in ascribing to men such as Reagan or McCain virtues and abilities they dont possess and castigating Americanos who refuse to genuflect before their conventional pieties, i.e. lies.
The fact of the matter is that BOTH the electors and the elected are culpable.
We need to combine what Tacitus described somewhere as the "pars popoli integra,et magna domibus adnexa" with a sound and skillful leadership they deserve.
All the rest can go to Hell.
Fleming: "Where is Willie Horton when you need him? The Republicans have to play the “race card” because they have few other cards to play. White Catholics are gravitating toward Obama, even some pro-life Catholics. People who have lost their money in the markets are praying for another Clinton administration. And, by now, the argument that “the surge has worked” is cutting little ice with people whose sons and daughters may be stuck in Iraq for another decade. The fact is, Obama has been friends with anti-white bigots of the worst type, and if McCain were not both obtuse and cowardly, he would not hesitate to play the race card–or arrange for some front group to play it for him. The world awaits the return of Willie Horton in the guise of Jeremiah Wright."
Amen. As Steve Sailer has said, it's almost as if McCain wants to lose.
"Even if she is in reality a bit simple minded, I would take that over hateful destroyers of civilization like the rest of the field."
Mrs. Palin is enraptured over the unforgivably hateful destruction of a much older civilization than that of the US: W's criminal war in Iraq.
Has that entered your thinking? Evil is usually vapid and often downright dense. Palin is obviously vapid and is openly dense at times. She has no discernible aversion to evil.
Obama is obviously evil, as is McCain. How can anyone justify voting for either of them?
Does anyone remember Palin's first speech with McCain? It's where she made the reference to eighteen million cracks in the glass ceiling. Even Camile Paglia (one of my favorites on the Left) was taken by Palin. Since that speech what have we heard from Palin? Just the usual nothing. The Republicans took Palin and turned her to their stupid dark side.
I can't understand why conservatives can't see what is coming. This time the Left intends to cement their hold on power like the Left did in Europe. This time they intend an irreversible castration of the Right. All those on the Right that believe in freedom and private property in America should be terrified of a very likely Obama presidency and veto proof Democrat control of Congress. The Democrats are today essentially a European style Socialist party, much further to the Left compared to the Democrats in 1932 and 1965, and consider what they did then. This time it will be the end of the American myth that has animated US citizens since its founding and the start of the irreversible slide into national socialism and dhimmitude.
All of you Conservatives that don't want to vote or are feeling sorry for yourselves and are gonna vote for Mickey Mouse: your non-vote is in fact a vote for obama. All the Democrats that have doubts about Obama and that is probably half of their voting block are gonna hold their noses and still vote for Obama. They won't go into a meltdown over their reservations like some Conservatives do. This exactly how guys like Salvador Allende got elected in the first place, so let's not make this type of mistake. If it will make you feel better, Pat Buchanan is voting for McCain.
A friend of mine messaged me and others yesterday with what he alleges to be a true story of his person experience a mere two days ago in a "touristy" town somewhere in Middle Tennessee. Whether it was actually an experience of his senses or of his imagination, it makes a good point about Obama.
Walking with his wife through the streets of the town on their way to a restaurant, they passed a man who was beggar, bum or homeless with a sign which read, "Vote Obama! I need the money!" They had a wonderful meal at the restaurant, and the service was excellent. According to my friend, the waiter deserved a commensurate tip. However, the waiter was wearing an Obama T-shirt. So, my friend acknowledged the waiters excellent service and showed him the tip which he had earned with his courteous manner and hard work. He, however, told the waiter that, in accordance with Mr. Obama's message with which the waiter obviously agreed, he was giving the tip to the bum down the street who obviously deserved it. My friend claims that the waiter cursed him out. My friend also maintains that he gave the tip to the bum.
If McCain had any sense, he would use my friend's story. Likely, McCain's operatives do not read Chronicles.
"All of you Conservatives that don’t want to vote or are feeling sorry for yourselves and are gonna vote for Mickey Mouse: your non-vote is in fact a vote for obama."
That depends on where you are voting, Big Jack. If you are in South Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina or some other such state with a remnant of civility left in its culture, you don't have a damn thing to talk about with Obama because he couldn't win in these states with fraud and duress on his side --- as it certainly is !!-- Even with thanks going to the RHINOS and neo-con men who have occupied both parties, and managed to mangle our sons and daughters in Iraq and our economy at home.
If you live in a battle ground state or are arrogant enough to think another vote count every four years will really matter at this point, then it is too late for your country or state, and I recommend you walk and don't run to the nearest red state and hunker down for a long winter or take a vacation to Disneyland -- Mickey Mouse might not be all that bad ---- comparatively speaking.
As true as Dr. Flemings thoughts on the election are, somewhere a Republican party operative is reading this and smiling. Yes, here at Chronicles the Republican Party is savaged endlessly (esp by Dr Wilson), but when it comes time for election day, most of us know our place and cast our votes for McCain.
Gentlemen, let’s stay optimistic. This election is not yet a foregone conclusion. John McCain can still win, and I’m predicting he will squeak it out with around 274 electoral votes.
I make absolutely no apologies for my decision to vote for McCain. Politics is the art of the possible, after all; Baldwin and Barr are not possible. Should McCain win, we paleos will be able to complain about his policies in relative safety and comfort; all the while rebuilding the conservative movement from within, which is much easier to do when the conservative (even if only nominally so) candidate controls the corridors of power. Should Obama win, then conservative voices will be effectively silenced by a PC media establishment which is manifestly “in the tank” for him.
However, even an Obama win should not be taken to mean that socialism will gain the upper hand in America. For all the talk about a Democratic landslide sweeping a rubber stamp Congress into office for him, any real taste of Obama-style radicalism will be so unsavory for most Americans that a reverse landslide will sweep them back out again in 2010. Obama has promised far more than anyone could deliver. Whether he wins or looses, disappointment is sure to follow in his wake.
Additionally, let us not fall in to the dialectical error of thinking that a Republican loss will redound to our benefit. A loss is not going to “clean up the party” or “set it back on track” or “return it to its roots.” It will only allow Sen. Obama to appoint a coterie of left-wing hacks to divers positions in the federal government, where no doubt they will proceed to do damage it will take us decades to undo. We cannot depend on any Hegelian/Marxist logic of history to do our work for us, and it’s disturbing to hear conservatives using the very rhetoric of the enemy in their rationales. Was Oswald Spengler correct when he claimed that we moderns were all socialists unawares? WE will clean up the party; WE will set it back on track.
John McCain, whose right hand I grasp, is the correct choice in this election. The economy will continue to go up, down, and sideways according to its own logic no matter who wins the presidency; that’s just life. Foreign wars will continue to be fought for stupid reasons even if Obama wins; that’s what governments do. But principles, like eternity, are everlasting. Do not do anything that might put your country into the hands of a fourth-estate, terrorist-courting, property-redistributing, arch-abortionist like Obama. Be good team players, cross your heart, pull the lever for John McCain, and commit the rest to God.
On November 5th, we go to work.
(Edit: Comment # 17 Daniel Maxwell ironically posted while I was writing this. I swear I am not a Republican operative, but I agree with the sentiment.)
In Presidential elections I voted for Reagan in 1980 and then Buchanan. I voted for neither Bush and did not vote for Dole. As much as Obama disgusts me--though I am more disgusted by people who vote for him--I cannot bring myself to vote for McCain, if only because he has taken Albanian money, supported the KLA, and wants war with Russia. He is a sick and evil man, whose only virtue is the fact that he served his country in a stupid pointless war. Voting for someone like Chuck Baldwin is worse than an exercise in futility: He stands for nothing. Give me a third party candidate with a clear head, sound principles, and some kind of track record, and I'll vote for him. Better Barr than Baldwin, though a vote for the Libertarian Party would be to play a minor role in the theater of the absurd. The lesson, as someone on this thread as sagely commented, is not simply that both parties are corrupt. The fault lies in the stupidity and fear of the gutless American people. Dyspeptic? Hardly. The condemned man will drink two Martinis, eat a hearty dinner, and watch The Great McGinty, one of the best political films made in the land of everything for sale. It's time for a bit of the poet who once opined, "a politician is an arse upon which everything has sat except a man."
"next to of course god america i
love you land of the pilgrims' and so forth oh
say can you see by the dawn's early my
country tis of centuries come and go
and are no more what of it we should worry
in every language even deafanddumb
thy sons acclaim your glorious name by gorry
by jingo by gee by gosh by gum
why talk of beauty what could be more beaut-
iful than these heroic happy dead
who rushed like lions to the roaring slaughter
they did not stop to think they died instead
then shall the voice of liberty be mute?"
He spoke. And drank rapidly a glass of water
Well then, TFJ, forgive me for erroneous diagnosis. Hoist a martini for me.
" . . .. a tear within his stern blue eye,
upon his firm white lips a smile,
one thought alone: to do or die
for God for country and for Yale
above his blond determined head
the sacred flag of truth unfurled,
in the bright heyday of his youth
the upper class American
unsullied stands, before the world:
with manly heart and conscience free,
upon the front steps of her home
by the high minded pure young girl
much kissed, by loving relatives
well fed, and fully photographed
the son of man goes forth to war
with trumpets clap and syphilis"
Thanks for the additional lines. What a country we once had, when it nurtured Cummings, Frost, crazy Old Ezra, Robinson Jeffers, Eliot...The poets always told more truth than even the best pundits like Nock and Mencken. I should read and write less prose and stick to verse.
May I suggest that Mr. Fleming and most posters above take a good stiff drink and lay down for a while until they feel a little better? While it's true that democracy may not survive the Democrats, it is certainly true that the republic has not survived the Republicans. Hasn't it occurred to anybody here that the fiscal situation being what it is, Obama's hands will be tied? Unless, of course, he attempts to do the only thing that remains to be done, which is to downsize the military-industrial complex and start rolling back the empire? Either he will succeed in those endeavours, which would be a very good thing, or else it's likely we will be treated to another JFK-style presidential funeral, I reckon -- but either way, nothing, absolutely nothing, can be expected of a McCain presidency. This election is a craps shoot, gentlemen, not the first in U.S. history, surely not the last ...
I am unable to fathom why people think the country will continue on the path to hell any more with Obama than with McCain.
"I am unable to fathom why people think the country will continue on the path to hell any more with Obama than with McCain."
Professor thank you from the bottom of my heart for your brevity, your persistence and your authentic southern charm. Reading TJF's and your own final brief sentence gave me the heartiest laugh and most delightful disposition I have had in weeks.
Mr. Maxwell: I, for one, am voting for Baldwin, not McCain.
From what I can see, the only saving grace we might have in this ghastly election is that an imploding world economy and declining revenues in the U.S. may force a reduction in imperial overreach. If McCain does manage to squeak through a victory, we may well see if the 4th section of the the Twenty Fifth Amendment is more workable than impeachment. No matter how it goes, I expect major rioting, spawned either by the thrill of victory, or the agony of defeat.
"I am unable to fathom why people think the country will continue on the path to hell any more with Obama than with McCain."
1. The media will destroy President McCain. They won't touch President Obama
2. The Democratic Congress will possibly stand up to McCain. They would not dare stand up to Obama.
3. Image is everything. It is image that makes possible future hellish policies. The image of a black, racist Marxist with three muslim names changes everything about Americans' image of themsleves; who they are and what is acceptable. Even if Obama himself doesn't take us all the way to hell, he will have set up our trip there in the future.
Electing the McCain-image over the Obama-image at least tells me the American people are resisting the war against them. If they still have some belief in traditional America, which the McCain-image represents then there is still hope, even if that belief is based on nothing real.
4. McCain will not survive the first term, for health reasons, and I have no reason to dislike Palin and plenty of reasons to put some hope in her.
5. Delay, delay, delay. That is our ONLY option right now. I believe the McCain-Palin ticket will move us to hell slower than the other guys.
Just in case the Republic survives, through the Lord's mercy, the next four years, I offer this, by the Greek poet Cavafy:
"What are we waiting for, assembled in the forum?
The barbarians are due here today.
Why isn't anything happening in the senate?
Why do the senators sit there without legislating?
Because the barbarians are coming today.
What laws can the senators make now?
Once the barbarians are here, they'll do the legislating.
Why did our emperor get up so early,
and why is he sitting at the city's main gate
on his throne, in state, wearing the crown?
Because the barbarians are coming today
and the emperor is waiting to receive their leader.
He has even prepared a scroll to give him,
replete with titles, with imposing names.
Why have our two consuls and praetors come out today
wearing their embroidered, their scarlet togas?
Why have they put on bracelets with so many amethysts,
and rings sparkling with magnificent emeralds?
Why are they carrying elegant canes
beautifully worked in silver and gold?
Because the barbarians are coming today
and things like that dazzle the barbarians.
Why don't our distinguished orators come forward as usual
to make their speeches, say what they have to say?
Because the barbarians are coming today
and they're bored by rhetoric and public speaking.
Why this sudden restlessness, this confusion?
(How serious people's faces have become.)
Why are the streets and squares emptying so rapidly,
everyone going home so lost in thought?
Because night has fallen and the barbarians have not come.
And some who have just returned from the border say
there are no barbarians any longer.
And now, what's going to happen to us without barbarians?
They were, those people, a kind of solution."
Most Silicon Valley tycoons are what Eric Cartman refers to as jay-oh-ohs. Bill Gates, Larry Ellison, Dell, the turkey who runs Loral -- famous for giving W-88 guidance technology to the Red Chinese, and many lesser types are not libertarians at all. They are most often both anti-American and anti-Christian. A veritable force for social destruction. If I were dictator, I would strip them of their citizenship and force them to live in Arabia, where the ADL and the ACLU would not be able to help them. Oh, let's kick them out too!
@8 J Meng
I encourage you to go to the polls and vote "No" on the bond issues and whatever propositions are on the ballot in your area.
23 and 23
The reason for voting for McCain is simply to buy time.
For all who realize that we have practically lost Europe to
Islamization (England has already incorporated sharia law), I would like to point out that ideally we need a President who will (1) begin to secure our borders and (2) deport all Muslims who do not renounce jihad and do not refrain from teaching it to their children. We don't have such a candidate now.
We do have a candidate who--if he is not a Muslim-- is sympathetic to Islam. He will not begin to do the things we need to be doing to avoid the end of western civilization.
As a note, let me add that I believe our two wars in Iraq were counter productive on several counts: (1) So long as Iraq is an Islamic state, it will never become a democracy with rights for its citizens such as our founding fathers' first ten amendments. (2) The second war was begun without identifying the real enemy. In fact, there would have been some advantage to us in leaving Sadam in power. (3) The second Iraq invasion has only consolidated the determination of the jihadists.
Seeing how both candidates are vying for who can be more war like including starting a war against Russia or should I say overt war they’ve been running a covert war since the collapse of communism I think they should have policy advisors or running mates that suit there foreign policy agenda like Satan or the Grime Reaper.
Actually there advisors aren’t that far of Satan or the Grime Reaper on the Democrat we have Zbignew Brezinski who created the Afghan war and international Islamic militant terror groups 1 million dead and got China to support the genocidal Khamer Rouge in Cambodia over a million which he admits in his own words and seems proud of it and on the Republican side we have Henry Kissinger giving airhead Sarah Palin foreign policy advice who was responsible for the mass bombings in Vietnam, installation of Pinochet in Chile and something else I can’t remember.
Actually aren't fundamentalist Christians at all bothered that the head of homeland security literal Russian translation of his name means Son of the Devil.
@29Etienne Gervaise
But we need groups like ADL and FSWC to put pressure on Universities, hotels not to hold conferences that support agendas they don't like and media not to air programs or host guest they don't approve of, pressure ISP to shut down websites they don’t like and spy on Americans and political action groups.
@ Etienne Gervaise. Yes, I will be doing that. In our state we have a proposition concerning embryonic stem cell research on which I will be voting no. Thanks for your remarks.
5. Delay, delay, delay. That is our ONLY option right now. I believe the McCain-Palin ticket will move us to hell slower than the other guys.
@ Rollo #27,
Sounds like the old Harry Brown analogy of the two major political parties with the two cars going off the cliff, one at 80 mph, the other at 55mph. Doesn't matter which vehicle you are in, you are still going off the cliff. Why take a purely hold the line mentality(strategy)? Historically, it almost always ends in defeat. If you are a true conservative vote for Baldwin or if lucky enough to be in a state with Paul as a write in, go for him. A vote for McCain is a vote for facism, and you might as well pull the plug on the Republic!!!!!!!!
I'm a little disappointed having come to expect more even when I disagree with Mr. Fleming. He makes clear what is the problem with conservatism, even the paleo variety: the utter dependence upon libertarian thought to advance toward a more perfect society. To see people in these comboxes advancing men like Bob Barr and Chuck Baldwin with their radical individualism to save us from the liberal state even if their improbable election were to occur is perplexing. The fear of government in the presence of our present oligarchic nightmare is to miss the forest for the trees.
Regardless of which party one finds more evil, the Democrats or the Republicans, one's greatest fear should be fascism, not socialism. As has been lamented long enough in places like Chronicles, there is an absence of solidarity in the greater society whether measured in support for open immigration (something for which I'm sympathetic), free trade, union busting, the rise of Evangelicalism and Pentecostalism, or the various cultural markers of social identity like the public celebration of Christmas and Easter. We have the ridiculous spectacle of folks finding more cause with "Joe the Plumber's" fear of higher taxes some day than with him being able to get the medical treatment he needs today. And to top it off Mr. Fleming holds out the specter of socialism with a raise in the highest marginal rate to 39.6%.
M.Z. Forrest--since you disagree with Dr. Fleming's judgment regarding the prospects of socialism, maybe you can refute his exposition of American socialism that he gives in his book. I suspect that his judgment is grounded in an understanding of what socialism is.
#36. Mr. Forrest. You are right---the problem is not "socialism. " It's proper name is fascism---which is socialism, only more so.
Voting for the lesser evil as a delay tactic. Is it not obvious that it was just as bad under the Bushes as under Carter and Clinton. Even worse, because the Bushes destroyed the possibilities of resistance.
@32 George
Do I detect a hint of cynicism, or are you merely being sarcastic? A visit to ADL's, the Southern Poverty Law Center's, and affiliated websites proves that they're all scraping the bottom of the barrel in their search for "hate groups," the League of the South! Seriously folks. It almost makes me want to start a dozen such cell groups so that I can get rich off dues paid by their -- and the government they push around -- spies.
@36 MZ
Part of the problem is that conservatives are clueless as to what they are trying to conserve. For the Christians -- at least the Evangelical type -- think that the United States is a Christian nation. It is not and never really was, or else the Freemasons would not have played such a large role in its founding. Truth be told, we are little more than a product of the Enlightenment. That is why Massachusetts prohibits shopping on Sundays, but elects degenerate sex perverts to the House and Senate.
Christians should stock tehir libraries with Xenophon and some of the Roman republic writers to complement their New Testament study guides.
@34 Robert
Two party system? That's a sham too. In this election both candidates have taken money from that anti-Christ George Soros. What we have is two puppets controlled by the same puppeteer, in truth a media floor show which has successfully deceived the majority of sheeple voters. I'll be happy to go to the polls knowing that I'll be voting for a third or fourth palce loser.
"The McCain people are apparently too stupid to pin Obama as a Marxist. When Obama answers the charge that he favors redistribution of wealth by giving his cute line about sharing his cookie in kindergarten, all McCain had to do was to point out that Obama is not planning to share his cookies but ours." - TJF
I have worked with the products of a socialist welfare state. The resentment generated by this process is unbelievable. First coming from the givers and then from the receivers when they are refused what they think the are owed. In our small town of 8000 we have determined that 1/3 of the population is either receiving or involved in the process of "sharing". I have come the prayerful decision that the only help for the "kindergarten" is no help. Socialism creates a dependence and a resentment that will only end in hell or at least a long stay in purgatory. It is a very good way to get votes much akin to the bottle of rum that was traded in the old days for that vote. Beware and stay away from anyone who supports this ideal. The life of the people that receive the shared cookie is a life of resentment that only their government supported addictions can quell .
MAR writes:
"Amen. As Steve Sailer has said, it’s almost as if McCain wants to lose."
But if he wins, he'd still be genuflecting to the left on almost every issue due to the guilt he'd feel over having defeated "The One".
After next Tuesday, we may be able to enjoy the destruction of the Republican party, a necessary step if there is to be any hope of restoring genuine republican government. For anyone with a sense of historical irony there will be something else to enjoy. The globalist rulers of the US decided that they didn't want a man named Hussein ruling Iraq, so to the applause of their mindless jingoist subjects, they invaded Iraq, overthrew Hussein and had him executed after a sham trial. Now the US is about to get a ruler named Hussein. Talk about what goes around, comes around - you gotta love God's sense of humor.
PS. Don't blame me; I voted for Paul in the primary, Baldwin in the general.
@39Etienne Gervaise
Of course I'm being sarcastic that the ADL acts as a Gestapo and has links to the Mossad.
The only independent investigative newspaper in the US the Spotlight now American Free Press ran stories of police investigations uncovered the fact that ADL was recruiting agents inside the police force even sending them on all expenses trips to Israel.
Do you think that the previous examples I quoted earlier that I was praising there nefarious activities?
Actually the South Poverty Law Centre was running Elohim city the white supremacist militia training camp with links to the Oklahoma City Bombing. Prior to OKC the SPLC and ADL where running a campaign against militias as public dissent against the government increased after Ruby Ridge and the Waco massacre by ATF goons covered up by our “war hero” senator John McCain.
On your point of US origins of Freemasonry there’s a good video on Google about the architectural history of Masonry in Washington DC and it’s philosophical, government influence in the US and around the world.
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-5839084912030464561&ei=TivtSOmFCYqwiALh7J2aCw&q=Secret+Mysteries+of+America%27s+Beginnings%3A+Riddles+in+Stone+-+Secret+Architecture+of+Washington%2C+D.C.&hl=en
“Two party system? That’s a sham too”
Your right about that. Good example is Georgia Democrat George Soros financed and created installing his puppet into power and Randy Schuanamen who lobbied for the Georgian government and work for a George Soros company.
Having legtimized socialism in the form the nationalization of banks, farm subsidies, prescription drug benefits, No Child Left Behind and a blaoted military budget suited to the empire we now hold, it is impossible for McCain and the Republicans to criticize Obama's Marxism with a straight face. They will only have themselves to blame if they lose.
Dr.Flemming, keep up the good work!
Your friend Woodcutter
Today, for us Catholics, we celebrate the Festival of All Saints, and that's what America needs: saints, real saints who are living the life of Christ. Saints like, King Louis IX, Henry I, Holy Roman Emperor, King Stephen of Hungary, Queen Elizabeth of Portugal, Sts. Augustine, Jerome, Ambrose, Thomas Aquinas, Albert the Great, Francis de Sales, Ignatius Loyola, John Fisher, Thomas More, Elizabeth Ann Seton, etc. If we had saints governing families, communities, and the nation, we probably wouldn't be in half the mess we find ourselves. Looking at the contenders for the presidency of the U.S. in light of the saints, it seems evident that we are in for more dark days.
Yes by all means if you live in a red state vote for whoever you want. RB, comments about Pat are over the top since he is a regular contributor for the Chroniclesand and I hopethat you are not a seminar writer from the Obama headquaters. However, let's discuss your "the worse the better" argument. There are two major problems with it. 1. The blue states will never become blue again after the illegals get to vote. 2. the resurrection of Marxism here and abroad will cause tremendous problems worldwide, not the least of it being a tremedous deterioration of the US strategic position. There is nothing to be gained and a great deal to be lost by an Obama presidency. At the very least, as other panelist have pointed out, we are buying time. Nihilism never solved anything but strategy always did.
We should remember that George W. Bush is as responsible as anyone for Obama's election if it happens. After being reelected in 2004, Bush seems to have been determined to drive his poll numbers as low as possible. It is really hard for a Democrat to lose this year.
@46, David N.
Right you are. A co-worker of mine, way leftward-ho, plans to write President Bush a thank-you note if/when Obama wins. She's serious. You should hear her giggling as she works up the language ...
Jack Bailey @45 wrote: "the resurrection of Marxism here and abroad will cause tremendous problems worldwide, not the least of it being a tremedous deterioration of the US strategic position. There is nothing to be gained and a great deal to be lost by an Obama presidency. At the very least, as other panelist have pointed out, we are buying time. Nihilism never solved anything but strategy always did."
I've wondered for quite some time now if globalized Marxism isn't a step logically following upon the one-world crap even the best and the "brightest" of the GOP have now passionately embraced. In other words, did Marx miss a step? He thought that first came capitalism, then came socialism, but maybe he hadn't envisioned or imagined the globalization that now seems to have been necessary for his philosophy's spread. (Was the defeat of the USSR but a minor setback of Marx's dream? Almost twenty years on, it would appear so.)
While I abhor Marxism, the only clear solution to preventing it's epidemic spread is independent and free-nation states, such as Americans once still appreciated before the Bushes began parasitizing mainstream conservatism and the passion for which is now decidely out of vogue.
Additionally, if our one world doesn't become the substratum for the growth of world-wide Marxism, I fear it will provide the matrix for the spread of that other great enslaver of intellectual growth and freedom: Islam.
@46 David N; @ allesio 1947:
Eight years ago some said Bush would be the next Ronald Reagan. Now, at the end of his misrule, we see that instead he's the new Jimmy Carter.