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		<title>By: Tom Piatak</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/10/30/david-frum-phony/comment-page-1/#comment-181094</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Piatak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 23:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Leaberry,

Thanks for attempting to enlighten David Frum!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Leaberry,</p>
<p>Thanks for attempting to enlighten David Frum!</p>
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		<title>By: Irving Babbitt</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/10/30/david-frum-phony/comment-page-1/#comment-181086</link>
		<dc:creator>Irving Babbitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 21:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frum continues to spin.  Here he attacks the Christian social conservative base, which he blames for the defeat of Neocon McCain.  Frum doesn’t mention the victory of the anti-gay marriage amendments adopted in three states (two of which were won by Obama, the third being McCain’s home state).  


Note also that forked tongue Frum doesn’t mention the Iraq war, nor the threats Neocons make against Iran, suggesting yet another war in the works.  So Frum defends the indefensible, his own Neocon tribe, by attacking the social conservative base, (almost entirely white and Christian) of what passes for a Right in America.  


David Frum: Republicans face fraught choice between two roads to revival
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2008/11/05/david-frum-republicans-face-choice-between-two-paths-to-revival.aspx


In the wake of yesterday’s bruising result, the Republican party faces an excruciating and divisive choice between two very different futures.


The first choice is the choice on display at the excited rallies that cheered Sarah Palin all through the fall. This is a choice to fall back on the core base of the Republican party. The base is almost entirely white, almost entirely resident in the middle of the country, moderately affluent, middle-aged and older, more male than female, with some college education but not a college degree. Think of Joe the Plumber and you see the core of the Republican party.


A generation ago, Republicans dominated among college graduates. In 1984 and 1988, Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush won states like California, Pennsylvania and Connecticut.

College-educated Americans have come to believe that their money is safe with Democrats – but that their values are under threat from Republicans. And there are more and more of these college-educated Americans all the time.

So the question for the GOP is: Will it pursue them? To do so will involve painful change, on issues ranging from the environment to abortion. And it will involve potentially even more painful changes of style and tone: toward a future that is less overtly religious, less negligent with policy, and less polarizing on social issues. That’s a future that leaves little room for Sarah Palin – but the only hope for a Republican recovery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frum continues to spin.  Here he attacks the Christian social conservative base, which he blames for the defeat of Neocon McCain.  Frum doesn’t mention the victory of the anti-gay marriage amendments adopted in three states (two of which were won by Obama, the third being McCain’s home state).  </p>
<p>Note also that forked tongue Frum doesn’t mention the Iraq war, nor the threats Neocons make against Iran, suggesting yet another war in the works.  So Frum defends the indefensible, his own Neocon tribe, by attacking the social conservative base, (almost entirely white and Christian) of what passes for a Right in America.  </p>
<p>David Frum: Republicans face fraught choice between two roads to revival<br />
<a href="http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2008/11/05/david-frum-republicans-face-choice-between-two-paths-to-revival.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2008/11/05/david-frum-republicans-face-choice-between-two-paths-to-revival.aspx</a></p>
<p>In the wake of yesterday’s bruising result, the Republican party faces an excruciating and divisive choice between two very different futures.</p>
<p>The first choice is the choice on display at the excited rallies that cheered Sarah Palin all through the fall. This is a choice to fall back on the core base of the Republican party. The base is almost entirely white, almost entirely resident in the middle of the country, moderately affluent, middle-aged and older, more male than female, with some college education but not a college degree. Think of Joe the Plumber and you see the core of the Republican party.</p>
<p>A generation ago, Republicans dominated among college graduates. In 1984 and 1988, Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush won states like California, Pennsylvania and Connecticut.</p>
<p>College-educated Americans have come to believe that their money is safe with Democrats – but that their values are under threat from Republicans. And there are more and more of these college-educated Americans all the time.</p>
<p>So the question for the GOP is: Will it pursue them? To do so will involve painful change, on issues ranging from the environment to abortion. And it will involve potentially even more painful changes of style and tone: toward a future that is less overtly religious, less negligent with policy, and less polarizing on social issues. That’s a future that leaves little room for Sarah Palin – but the only hope for a Republican recovery.</p>
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		<title>By: Etienne Gervaise</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/10/30/david-frum-phony/comment-page-1/#comment-181025</link>
		<dc:creator>Etienne Gervaise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 04:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since Frum had no difficulty maligning my friend Sam Francis, this is the least I can do to level the playing field.  I am no gentleman, and I choose to fight dirty.  The above post should be spammed about until this scuzzy money-grubber moves out of DC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since Frum had no difficulty maligning my friend Sam Francis, this is the least I can do to level the playing field.  I am no gentleman, and I choose to fight dirty.  The above post should be spammed about until this scuzzy money-grubber moves out of DC.</p>
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		<title>By: Etienne Gervaise</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/10/30/david-frum-phony/comment-page-1/#comment-181024</link>
		<dc:creator>Etienne Gervaise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 04:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t even ask about the Andrew Sullivan connection, or why he gets a homestead tax break.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don't even ask about the Andrew Sullivan connection, or why he gets a homestead tax break.</p>
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		<title>By: Etienne Gervaise</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/10/30/david-frum-phony/comment-page-1/#comment-181023</link>
		<dc:creator>Etienne Gervaise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 04:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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Since property ownership is public record in the District of Columbia, here is the information of the man whom the Greek newspaper, Avriani, says will be out of work real soon.  This is a pathetic cringing little milksop whose wife manages the money end of things for him.  A girly man.</description>
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<p>Since property ownership is public record in the District of Columbia, here is the information of the man whom the Greek newspaper, Avriani, says will be out of work real soon.  This is a pathetic cringing little milksop whose wife manages the money end of things for him.  A girly man.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Leaberry</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/10/30/david-frum-phony/comment-page-1/#comment-181002</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek Leaberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Piatak, I took time to e-mail Mr. Frum and tell him that he might be interested in your trenchant post.  However, he kindly replied that that he doubted that he would be interested in reading it.  Too bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Piatak, I took time to e-mail Mr. Frum and tell him that he might be interested in your trenchant post.  However, he kindly replied that that he doubted that he would be interested in reading it.  Too bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Leaberry</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/10/30/david-frum-phony/comment-page-1/#comment-180981</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek Leaberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Baron of 3000 Foxhall Road is a dishonorable man.  The trouble with Frum is that if he ever admits to being a liar, will we know whether he is lying or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Baron of 3000 Foxhall Road is a dishonorable man.  The trouble with Frum is that if he ever admits to being a liar, will we know whether he is lying or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Irving Babbitt</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/10/30/david-frum-phony/comment-page-1/#comment-180957</link>
		<dc:creator>Irving Babbitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean makes a good point.  In 2000, Frum gave a lunchtime talk about his then recently published book on the 1970s hosted by the Manhattan Institute.  During the Q and A session, an older gentleman asked if reducing the flow of immigration, both legal and illegal wouldn’t be a first step in reversing the left ward drift of the country.  Frum responded by saying that reducing immigration was a bad idea, fundamentally in conflict with the American ideal.  


Frum’s speech that day was taped and broadcast on CSpan, which also sells a DVD of that event. 
 

I think Frum’s problem is that he tells so many lies he can’t keep track of all of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean makes a good point.  In 2000, Frum gave a lunchtime talk about his then recently published book on the 1970s hosted by the Manhattan Institute.  During the Q and A session, an older gentleman asked if reducing the flow of immigration, both legal and illegal wouldn’t be a first step in reversing the left ward drift of the country.  Frum responded by saying that reducing immigration was a bad idea, fundamentally in conflict with the American ideal.  </p>
<p>Frum’s speech that day was taped and broadcast on CSpan, which also sells a DVD of that event. </p>
<p>I think Frum’s problem is that he tells so many lies he can’t keep track of all of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Scallon</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/10/30/david-frum-phony/comment-page-1/#comment-180938</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Scallon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently Frum&#039;s memory only goes back three to four years. This is the latest in a series of abrupt shifts in his thinking and there&#039;s not once ounce of irony or retrospective thinking on his part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently Frum's memory only goes back three to four years. This is the latest in a series of abrupt shifts in his thinking and there's not once ounce of irony or retrospective thinking on his part.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Leaberry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Leaberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Culture, not a war of choice, is the great clarifier.  Regarding abortion, David Frum chooses to side with the forces of death and evil and in opposition to the millions of unborn children who have had their lives snuffed out.  By his contempt for Christian values and for Christians themselves, David Frum sides with the secular left.  With the cultural decline of Western Civilization the paramount dilemma of our times, David Frum has turned his back on conservatives to side with the Left.  Now we conservatives turn our backs on him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Culture, not a war of choice, is the great clarifier.  Regarding abortion, David Frum chooses to side with the forces of death and evil and in opposition to the millions of unborn children who have had their lives snuffed out.  By his contempt for Christian values and for Christians themselves, David Frum sides with the secular left.  With the cultural decline of Western Civilization the paramount dilemma of our times, David Frum has turned his back on conservatives to side with the Left.  Now we conservatives turn our backs on him.</p>
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