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		<title>By: Etienne Gervaise</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/10/21/tribal-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-180492</link>
		<dc:creator>Etienne Gervaise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 00:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@46 george

I had not heard about US bombing Syria.  It&#039;s a shame.  Syria does not persecute Christians, in fact moslems with no tradition of the miraculous visit Orthodox Christian monastries to seek answered prayer.  On December 25 their state-run TV stations air Christmas programming with no complaints from the mullahs.  Let the Big 4 here try that without getting complaints from the vile Abe Foxman and the insanely twisted fundraiser Morris Dees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@46 george</p>
<p>I had not heard about US bombing Syria.  It's a shame.  Syria does not persecute Christians, in fact moslems with no tradition of the miraculous visit Orthodox Christian monastries to seek answered prayer.  On December 25 their state-run TV stations air Christmas programming with no complaints from the mullahs.  Let the Big 4 here try that without getting complaints from the vile Abe Foxman and the insanely twisted fundraiser Morris Dees.</p>
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		<title>By: george</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/10/21/tribal-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-180479</link>
		<dc:creator>george</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@45Etienne Gervaise

You right of course I don&#039;t know how I forgot about that as both candidates grovel in front of AIPAC and praise is Israel to the point it seems that running for the leadership of that country.

Then there the fact that a number people in government are dual citizens especially the Neocon’s making America’s foreign policy.

Also no one discusses the numerous Jewish political think tanks and affiliated officials setting US domestic and foreign policy like PNAC and its &quot;new Pearl Harbour&quot; statement before 9/11.

Remember the US criticising Russia about violating the UN charter although Georgia is the one who broke international law by firing on peacekeepers and civilians.
Well the US has recently launched air strikes inside Syrian territory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@45Etienne Gervaise</p>
<p>You right of course I don't know how I forgot about that as both candidates grovel in front of AIPAC and praise is Israel to the point it seems that running for the leadership of that country.</p>
<p>Then there the fact that a number people in government are dual citizens especially the Neocon’s making America’s foreign policy.</p>
<p>Also no one discusses the numerous Jewish political think tanks and affiliated officials setting US domestic and foreign policy like PNAC and its "new Pearl Harbour" statement before 9/11.</p>
<p>Remember the US criticising Russia about violating the UN charter although Georgia is the one who broke international law by firing on peacekeepers and civilians.<br />
Well the US has recently launched air strikes inside Syrian territory.</p>
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		<title>By: Etienne Gervaise</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/10/21/tribal-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-180451</link>
		<dc:creator>Etienne Gervaise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 21:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@43 george
&quot;No country or organisation tells the US what to do.&quot;

Israel tells the US what to do on a regular basis.  If they need to go through the UN in order to get their way, it&#039;s not usually much of a problem -- since all that counts in that body is the security council.

In 1992 I met an Arab Christian who not supported Pat, but also volunteered on his campaign on the grounds that he was the only candidate willing to cut off foreign aid to Israel.  By the way she was both pro-gay and pro-choice.  Her house in Ramallah had been bulldozed by the Israeli army.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@43 george<br />
"No country or organisation tells the US what to do."</p>
<p>Israel tells the US what to do on a regular basis.  If they need to go through the UN in order to get their way, it's not usually much of a problem -- since all that counts in that body is the security council.</p>
<p>In 1992 I met an Arab Christian who not supported Pat, but also volunteered on his campaign on the grounds that he was the only candidate willing to cut off foreign aid to Israel.  By the way she was both pro-gay and pro-choice.  Her house in Ramallah had been bulldozed by the Israeli army.</p>
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		<title>By: polemicscat</title>
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		<dc:creator>polemicscat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Or could it be that in times of duress Buchanan’s lizard brain kicks in, overides his higher cerebral functions and forces him to finally act reflexively? In other words, despite his self-proclaimed high elect, Pat salivates at the ring of the bell as readily as any of Pavlov’s dogs.&quot;

This sort of remark sometimes appears on these posts.  But it is purely ad hominem fallacy.   Compared to such remarks Pat&#039;s analysis is profound philosophy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Or could it be that in times of duress Buchanan’s lizard brain kicks in, overides his higher cerebral functions and forces him to finally act reflexively? In other words, despite his self-proclaimed high elect, Pat salivates at the ring of the bell as readily as any of Pavlov’s dogs."</p>
<p>This sort of remark sometimes appears on these posts.  But it is purely ad hominem fallacy.   Compared to such remarks Pat's analysis is profound philosophy.</p>
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		<title>By: george</title>
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		<dc:creator>george</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 17:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@41Michael Ezzo

Actually I saw a clip of Chuck Baldwin on Youtube of the C-Span 2 third party debate answering a question about Israel and he asserted that the UN tells the US what to do.

Does anyone seriously believe this?

No country or organisation tells the US what to do. The US tells everyone else what to do.

The UN did not sanction bombing of Serbia and Kosovo in 1999 or the Iraq invasion yet the US did it anyway.

Richard Pearle wants the UN eliminated and NATO and the US to control world affairs which they do anyway.

There’s also the issue of him being affiliated somewhat to the late Jerry Falwell. 

It seems Ralph Nadar is the only viable candidate as the others didn&#039;t even bother to show up for the debate.

Others have suggested note voting for any of the candidates and writing in Ron Paul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@41Michael Ezzo</p>
<p>Actually I saw a clip of Chuck Baldwin on Youtube of the C-Span 2 third party debate answering a question about Israel and he asserted that the UN tells the US what to do.</p>
<p>Does anyone seriously believe this?</p>
<p>No country or organisation tells the US what to do. The US tells everyone else what to do.</p>
<p>The UN did not sanction bombing of Serbia and Kosovo in 1999 or the Iraq invasion yet the US did it anyway.</p>
<p>Richard Pearle wants the UN eliminated and NATO and the US to control world affairs which they do anyway.</p>
<p>There’s also the issue of him being affiliated somewhat to the late Jerry Falwell. </p>
<p>It seems Ralph Nadar is the only viable candidate as the others didn't even bother to show up for the debate.</p>
<p>Others have suggested note voting for any of the candidates and writing in Ron Paul.</p>
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		<title>By: Miles Gloriosus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miles Gloriosus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 17:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike Ezzo@19 wrote: &quot;He [Buchanan] will vote for McCain because McCain is the Republican candidate. Not because he is white.&quot;

Or could it be that in times of duress Buchanan&#039;s lizard brain kicks in, overides his higher cerebral functions and forces him to finally act reflexively? In other words, despite his self-proclaimed high elect, Pat salivates at the ring of the bell as readily as any of Pavlov&#039;s dogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike Ezzo@19 wrote: "He [Buchanan] will vote for McCain because McCain is the Republican candidate. Not because he is white."</p>
<p>Or could it be that in times of duress Buchanan's lizard brain kicks in, overides his higher cerebral functions and forces him to finally act reflexively? In other words, despite his self-proclaimed high elect, Pat salivates at the ring of the bell as readily as any of Pavlov's dogs.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Ezzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Ezzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 10:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To George (34) : Of course I completely agree with you that Pat should vote for Baldwin. I was simply explaining -- not agreeing with -- his (likely) choice. I thought that was clear, since I mentioned he will probably support McCain simply because of the party connection; in other words NOT because of any shared political convictions. And not because of race. I apologize if it wasn&#039;t clear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To George (34) : Of course I completely agree with you that Pat should vote for Baldwin. I was simply explaining -- not agreeing with -- his (likely) choice. I thought that was clear, since I mentioned he will probably support McCain simply because of the party connection; in other words NOT because of any shared political convictions. And not because of race. I apologize if it wasn't clear.</p>
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		<title>By: Etienne Gervaise</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/10/21/tribal-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-180364</link>
		<dc:creator>Etienne Gervaise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 01:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From now on please refer to neocons as &quot;Mossad.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From now on please refer to neocons as "Mossad."</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Scallon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Scallon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m don&#039;t quite understand Buchanan&#039;s argument. Is he criticizing Powell supporting Obama because he&#039;s black or celebrating the fact that tribal politics is still with us? After all, we&#039;re the ones who brought the term &quot;Scots-Irish&quot; into the political lexicon because we were willing to see them as a distinct people or &quot;tribe&quot; rather than just a generic &quot;white&quot; label. If McCain carries the Scots-Irish heartland on Nov. 4 which he probably will, how is that any different than Obama carrying every black neighborhood in every city in the country?  There&#039;s no reason to be cynical about it, it&#039;s perfectly understandable.

And the reality such an endorsement means little either way. Most leftists think Powell is a liar, which he is. Most on the right think Powell is a disloyal opportunist which he also is. If anything, onen would have thought Powell would have been jealous of Obama as being the one who could accomplish what Powell could not. Jesse Jackson certainly is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm don't quite understand Buchanan's argument. Is he criticizing Powell supporting Obama because he's black or celebrating the fact that tribal politics is still with us? After all, we're the ones who brought the term "Scots-Irish" into the political lexicon because we were willing to see them as a distinct people or "tribe" rather than just a generic "white" label. If McCain carries the Scots-Irish heartland on Nov. 4 which he probably will, how is that any different than Obama carrying every black neighborhood in every city in the country?  There's no reason to be cynical about it, it's perfectly understandable.</p>
<p>And the reality such an endorsement means little either way. Most leftists think Powell is a liar, which he is. Most on the right think Powell is a disloyal opportunist which he also is. If anything, onen would have thought Powell would have been jealous of Obama as being the one who could accomplish what Powell could not. Jesse Jackson certainly is.</p>
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		<title>By: Grumpy Old Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grumpy Old Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 13:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#31 EE Roberts

&lt;blockquote&gt;Why any black American would trust the republicans is a mystery to me, on par with the mystery of why any black American would trust today’s democrats.&lt;/blockquote&gt;It&#039;s equally a mystery to me why any American of any hue who is not a coupon-clipper would trust the Republicans, and why an American of any hue who does not make his living sucking from the public teat would support the Democrats.

But then, as P.T.Barnum said, there&#039;s one born every minute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#31 EE Roberts</p>
<blockquote><p>Why any black American would trust the republicans is a mystery to me, on par with the mystery of why any black American would trust today’s democrats.</p></blockquote>
<p>It's equally a mystery to me why any American of any hue who is not a coupon-clipper would trust the Republicans, and why an American of any hue who does not make his living sucking from the public teat would support the Democrats.</p>
<p>But then, as P.T.Barnum said, there's one born every minute.</p>
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