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		<title>By: Etienne Gervaise</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/10/17/the-coming-backlash/comment-page-2/#comment-180835</link>
		<dc:creator>Etienne Gervaise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 20:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@43 Abe Froman the sausage king of Chicago!

Parties do not matter to me any more, but they did when I was younger and more idealistic.  When it comes to voting in the legislature, it all comes down to a yes or no vote.  A man of principle will vote no on everything, like Georgia&#039;s Larry McDonald of blessed memory.  Lots of people wanted him dead, and they got their way when KAL007 was shot down over Kamchatka.

It&#039;s come to the point where I&#039;ll vote for a communist if he promises to vote no on anything he does not have the time to read, and that would be every bill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@43 Abe Froman the sausage king of Chicago!</p>
<p>Parties do not matter to me any more, but they did when I was younger and more idealistic.  When it comes to voting in the legislature, it all comes down to a yes or no vote.  A man of principle will vote no on everything, like Georgia's Larry McDonald of blessed memory.  Lots of people wanted him dead, and they got their way when KAL007 was shot down over Kamchatka.</p>
<p>It's come to the point where I'll vote for a communist if he promises to vote no on anything he does not have the time to read, and that would be every bill.</p>
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		<title>By: Whit's Son</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/10/17/the-coming-backlash/comment-page-2/#comment-180431</link>
		<dc:creator>Whit's Son</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 08:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh Pat!  Wake up!  We have even Southern Baptists thoroughly comfortable with adulterers in their pulpits, so why would a Socialist in the White House bother a fat pig Gaither-loving American?    You mis-overestimate your fellow Americans.  They really are swine now (The Hefty Goodmans), and they truly and richy deserve every low-brow, soul-killing measure that the next congress can inflict upon them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Pat!  Wake up!  We have even Southern Baptists thoroughly comfortable with adulterers in their pulpits, so why would a Socialist in the White House bother a fat pig Gaither-loving American?    You mis-overestimate your fellow Americans.  They really are swine now (The Hefty Goodmans), and they truly and richy deserve every low-brow, soul-killing measure that the next congress can inflict upon them!</p>
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		<title>By: Etienne Gervaise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Etienne Gervaise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 23:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a sad day when you have to go to Youtube to hear the minor party candidates state their positions on issues.  Hell, at this stage of the game even Ralph Nader seems like a right winger compared with the Big 2.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's a sad day when you have to go to Youtube to hear the minor party candidates state their positions on issues.  Hell, at this stage of the game even Ralph Nader seems like a right winger compared with the Big 2.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott P. Richert</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/10/17/the-coming-backlash/comment-page-2/#comment-180378</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott P. Richert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jack Bailey (@51):

&lt;i&gt;I don’t believe that presence of SDS deserves to be regarded as benign at any time regardless of the timelines.&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s not what I said.  You&#039;re lumping Obama in with SDS types, and he simply isn&#039;t.  (What he is may, in its own way, be much worse.)  He&#039;s surrounded himself not with SDSers but with the establishment Democrats who populated the Clinton White House and the Kerry campaign.  There&#039;s no reason that I can see to believe that he&#039;ll dump them after the election and fill his Cabinet with SDS types instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack Bailey (@51):</p>
<p><i>I don’t believe that presence of SDS deserves to be regarded as benign at any time regardless of the timelines.</i></p>
<p>That's not what I said.  You're lumping Obama in with SDS types, and he simply isn't.  (What he is may, in its own way, be much worse.)  He's surrounded himself not with SDSers but with the establishment Democrats who populated the Clinton White House and the Kerry campaign.  There's no reason that I can see to believe that he'll dump them after the election and fill his Cabinet with SDS types instead.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott P. Richert</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/10/17/the-coming-backlash/comment-page-2/#comment-180377</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott P. Richert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jack Bailey (@51):

&lt;i&gt;As for Stockholm Syndrome, in a state like Michigan that’s been devastated by socialism already, there is the possibility that the people you are mentioning are taking cover by identifying with the opressors. They may have even felt pressured to put up those signs, who knows?&lt;/i&gt;

You&#039;ve just given me the laugh of the day, and it&#039;s not even 9 A.M.  Trust me, the areas of Michigan that I&#039;m talking about are not populated by folks who are likely to give in to &quot;pressure&quot; to put up any campaign signs.  In fact, it&#039;s quite the opposite: There was a time even in my life when putting up an Obama sign in, say, Baldwin, Michigan, would have meant that you put your family and property in danger.

(For those who know Michigan, I&#039;m speaking of the belt that runs northeast from, say, Newaygo to Roscommon.)

But by the way, the east side of the state will be filled with Obama voters who voted for Reagan.  That is, after all, the home of the fabled Reagan Democrats, who already largely reverted to the Democratic Party in 1992 (and even more so in 1996).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack Bailey (@51):</p>
<p><i>As for Stockholm Syndrome, in a state like Michigan that’s been devastated by socialism already, there is the possibility that the people you are mentioning are taking cover by identifying with the opressors. They may have even felt pressured to put up those signs, who knows?</i></p>
<p>You've just given me the laugh of the day, and it's not even 9 A.M.  Trust me, the areas of Michigan that I'm talking about are not populated by folks who are likely to give in to "pressure" to put up any campaign signs.  In fact, it's quite the opposite: There was a time even in my life when putting up an Obama sign in, say, Baldwin, Michigan, would have meant that you put your family and property in danger.</p>
<p>(For those who know Michigan, I'm speaking of the belt that runs northeast from, say, Newaygo to Roscommon.)</p>
<p>But by the way, the east side of the state will be filled with Obama voters who voted for Reagan.  That is, after all, the home of the fabled Reagan Democrats, who already largely reverted to the Democratic Party in 1992 (and even more so in 1996).</p>
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		<title>By: Scott P. Richert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott P. Richert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Etienne Gervaise (@50):

&lt;i&gt;Further proof that the Republicans are indeed the Stupid Party. Well at least in Michigan.&lt;/i&gt;

No quarrels here.  I&#039;m simply noting the phenomenon, not expressing approval of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Etienne Gervaise (@50):</p>
<p><i>Further proof that the Republicans are indeed the Stupid Party. Well at least in Michigan.</i></p>
<p>No quarrels here.  I'm simply noting the phenomenon, not expressing approval of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tulle Elster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tulle Elster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miss Eagle (@44)
Yes, I think your´re right. If we are to understand each other at all, we really, as you say &quot;need to return to some more clear definitions of “conservative” or “centrist”, - not to say communism, an ideology which hardly exists any longer, at least not in Europe and/or the European Union! (In my own country Norway we had two tiny communist parties before the Berlin Wall came down, both of which have all but disappeared.  Anyway, with 0,1 % and 0,3 % of the votes respectively they never reached representation in the parliament). But most of all, I think that the whole question is not so much about &quot;left&quot; or &quot;right&quot; but about human rights, security - both social and in other matters; equality and freedom, another thing which needs  to be defined, like for example the difference between freedom to, and freedom from. In any case, in a parlamentary democracy there is no way anybody can &quot;cement their permanent hold on power&quot; except by the people and their vote. 
To put &quot;Christian Democrats&quot;, &quot;Socialists&quot; and &quot;Democratic Soicialists&quot; in the same sack is, excuse me, outright stupid, not to say insinuating that France´s president Nicolas Sarkozy, former leader of the conservative party &quot; is somehow a leftist. All this indicates that you know very little of politics, in Europe or else. So let´s straighten out the definitions first, before - or if - we´re going to continue this discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miss Eagle (@44)<br />
Yes, I think your´re right. If we are to understand each other at all, we really, as you say "need to return to some more clear definitions of “conservative” or “centrist”, - not to say communism, an ideology which hardly exists any longer, at least not in Europe and/or the European Union! (In my own country Norway we had two tiny communist parties before the Berlin Wall came down, both of which have all but disappeared.  Anyway, with 0,1 % and 0,3 % of the votes respectively they never reached representation in the parliament). But most of all, I think that the whole question is not so much about "left" or "right" but about human rights, security - both social and in other matters; equality and freedom, another thing which needs  to be defined, like for example the difference between freedom to, and freedom from. In any case, in a parlamentary democracy there is no way anybody can "cement their permanent hold on power" except by the people and their vote.<br />
To put "Christian Democrats", "Socialists" and "Democratic Soicialists" in the same sack is, excuse me, outright stupid, not to say insinuating that France´s president Nicolas Sarkozy, former leader of the conservative party " is somehow a leftist. All this indicates that you know very little of politics, in Europe or else. So let´s straighten out the definitions first, before - or if - we´re going to continue this discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: jack bailey</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/10/17/the-coming-backlash/comment-page-2/#comment-180369</link>
		<dc:creator>jack bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 07:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SPR, I don&#039;t believe that presence of SDS deserves to be regarded as benign at any time regardless of the timelines. Please take a look at the DVD and the article. The SDS ideology is infectious to the impressionable minds, as it incites otherwise apathetic bystanders to act violently on their behalf. Just ask any high school senior that had to put up posters around his high school for Mccain. As for Stockholm Syndrome, in a state like Michigan that&#039;s been devastated by socialism already, there is the possibility that  the people you are mentioning are taking cover by identifying with the opressors. They may have even felt pressured to put up those signs, who knows? Be that as it may, If you choose to believe that Obama and Mccain are pretty  much the same, that&#039;s fine, but there has to be some line drawn at where paleo sensibilities need to end, from where one has to start to stand up to the Marxists . Perhaps you have not reached that line yet, but some people have. Right now there is a good chance that we&#039;ll get the worst of both worlds, Marxism and Neoconservatism at the same time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SPR, I don't believe that presence of SDS deserves to be regarded as benign at any time regardless of the timelines. Please take a look at the DVD and the article. The SDS ideology is infectious to the impressionable minds, as it incites otherwise apathetic bystanders to act violently on their behalf. Just ask any high school senior that had to put up posters around his high school for Mccain. As for Stockholm Syndrome, in a state like Michigan that's been devastated by socialism already, there is the possibility that  the people you are mentioning are taking cover by identifying with the opressors. They may have even felt pressured to put up those signs, who knows? Be that as it may, If you choose to believe that Obama and Mccain are pretty  much the same, that's fine, but there has to be some line drawn at where paleo sensibilities need to end, from where one has to start to stand up to the Marxists . Perhaps you have not reached that line yet, but some people have. Right now there is a good chance that we'll get the worst of both worlds, Marxism and Neoconservatism at the same time.</p>
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		<title>By: Etienne Gervaise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Etienne Gervaise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 01:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@49 Scott
&quot;That means that there are likely many voters there who did vote for Reagan and are now voting for Obama&quot;

Further proof that the Republicans are indeed the Stupid Party.  Well at least in Michigan.  Some day &quot;Neither of the Above&quot; will be an option, but sadly not this year -- which is too bad since the major candidates fielded by the Big 2 are the worst ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@49 Scott<br />
"That means that there are likely many voters there who did vote for Reagan and are now voting for Obama"</p>
<p>Further proof that the Republicans are indeed the Stupid Party.  Well at least in Michigan.  Some day "Neither of the Above" will be an option, but sadly not this year -- which is too bad since the major candidates fielded by the Big 2 are the worst ever.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott P. Richert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott P. Richert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jack Bailey (@47):

&lt;i&gt;As for Michigan voters I do believe that it’s a case of a mass Stockholm Syndrome.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m afraid I&#039;m not following that one at all.  But even if you&#039;re right, does it make a difference to the point?  These are historically overwhelmingly Republican areas (not the east side of the state, which is historically Democratic) that are now evenly split or going for Obama. That means that there are likely many voters there who did vote for Reagan and are now voting for Obama (something you claimed to doubt was possible).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack Bailey (@47):</p>
<p><i>As for Michigan voters I do believe that it’s a case of a mass Stockholm Syndrome.</i></p>
<p>I'm afraid I'm not following that one at all.  But even if you're right, does it make a difference to the point?  These are historically overwhelmingly Republican areas (not the east side of the state, which is historically Democratic) that are now evenly split or going for Obama. That means that there are likely many voters there who did vote for Reagan and are now voting for Obama (something you claimed to doubt was possible).</p>
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