Oh but they do! They tolerate it every time. Here in Japan the people are scared to death of America's government because of its global hegemony. They know that the ruling party is always strong-armed into supporting our wars. It's pathetic. The people keep up a facade of following along but you can see the resentment seething underneath. Yet there is nothing they can do about it. No, they just tolerate it.

..."However, there is important overlap btween (sic) the Bush and Nazi regimes:attacking other nations based upon a pack of lies."...

Truly a case of "My mind is made up don't confuse me with facts".

As I stated before and confirmed by various British dispatches at that time and Russian historians as of late, the German invasions were preventive in both the cases of Poland and the Soviet Union.

Perhaps the American psyche is so weak that it cannot bear/understand its criminality without fantasy tales of horror from "long ago and far away". Some people never outgrow these fairy tales.

Why not state the REAL truth: The USA and Israel attacked other nations... without any legal justification.

H.F. Wolff

An alternative Fascism ok. How about the American populist movements of an earlier era. One of the big problems with facism is its top down political structure. This is not unique to fascism of course. What passes for Democracy these-and days before-is very top-down in structure. Real democratic input into fundamental core policy decisions is non-existant. Much of what passes for Democracy in America is ratification of pre-ordained policy decisions. The ongoing policy proposlas for dealing with subprime mortgage meltdown is example of this. So was the repeal of Glass-Steagal by war criminal and rapist Bill Clinton.

I almost don't know where to begin. There is very deep rot in common American Culure. Do our fellow Americans really find Cultural garbage satisfying? It is this common core rotting cultural garbage that creates the consensus to keep quite about the obvious. Listen to sports talk radio and you will experience clinical depression. Look, somethng is keeping people in line. The Dark ages have arrived.

Shall we beign the autopsy of Euro-America? The autopsy begins with asking the following question: Just what the hell do Euro-Americans care about?

No one has ever come up with an essential universally agreed upon defintinion of fascism. The Nazi charge is not accurate either. However, there is important overlap btween the Bush and Nazi regimes:attacking other nations based upon a pack of lies. An attack that has lead to large scale death and destruction. This is the Nuremberg standard.

Bush and his gang do not for a moment adhere to any of the nonsense they put forward.They are not Leftists.

Their propaganda is roughly analogous to Soviet propaganda surrounding the Berlin Wall.Briefly,the Soviets announced that the wall was erected TO KEEP PEOPLE OUT,when it was common knowledge that nobody was trying to get in.They obviously couldn't admit the truth.But the purpose of their lie was not to deceive anyone- who could be so stupid-but instead to simply remind the world that they would do as they please and nobody could do anything about it.The same is true with Dubya.

As for the American people,Sempronius will graciously interpret their implicit response to Dubya's Agit-Prop."We Americano's don't care what you do,nor what you say in order to justify what you do,so long as you leave us to our creative accounting practices and our suburban swinger-parties".

However it would be a mistake to to dismiss Bush's propaganda as entirely devoid of significance.By using revolutionary rhetoric,albeit dishonestly,he is anchoring his policies in the soil of revolution.In other words he is seeking the enlistment of revolutionary cohorts into his army.If revolutionaries join forces with him and drop their anti-Western Third World solidarity they too may share in the spoils of victory.

By implication no spoils are being proffered to poor, down and out little conservies.

It is absolutely beyond doubt that the war in Iraq is an act of criminal malfeasance that has done enormous damage to the well-being of the American people ( none too well-off prior to the war ) and to the civil and military institutions created to serve the interests of those people.

To refer to this criminality as "fascism" or "nazism" is absurd;it reveals a mind so besotted with leftist banality, that in trying to make a case for a traditional foreign-policy, weak and provincial intellects find it impossible to articulate such a policy without relying on ideas and opinions whose origins are deeply hostile to the traditions they seek to uphold.

In other words "outta the frying pan and into the fire".

The war in Iraq has nothing to do with Herr Hitler,but rather with Israel,oil,and a vulnerable dollar.In short the Anglo-American hierarchs are trying to shore-up their dwindling share of global power rather than graciously accepting the just claims to some of that power by Europe, Russia and Japan.

And in their desperation they've become reckless and violent.More so than usual.

Irony of ironies Fascism sought to,and almost succeeded in, nipping this clownish American imperium in the bud.Whatever ELSE they might have done notwithstanding.

Christians and "rebels" who affect to disdain Fascist misdeeds (from a safe historical distance I might add) have a duty to put forward practical alternatives to the all-too-real problems Fascism resisted and wrestled with.If they cant or wont,then practically speaking they are worthless.

Without America ruling the world America would be much better off.Europe can be Europe again,and Americanos can spend most of their time - ineffectually, as is usually the case with them- chasing negroes away from their daughters (and wives).

Dr.Flemming,if you should ever meet-up with that stupid Nazi again, kindly remind him that Italian men have far more success with pretty fraulein than he does with Italian waitresses.

Like I said before, Saddam's atrocities were never of any concern to Republican and Democratic adminstrations and to the American people. His crimes became a "concern" when he no longer became a reliable asset. The same was true of Manuel Noriega.

Then the next question that arises is how much and what kind of aid was Saddam recieving from the US during his reign of terror. The answer to this question will determine the degree of US complicity in Saddam's crimes against his own people and against Iran when he declared war against Iran back in Nov 1979.

For the WW11 revionists:If the US had not destroyed the Japanese Empire, what would have happened to the European nations Australia and New Zealand? WW11 revisionist Justin Raimondo thinks the Japanese would have taught them about rock gardening-worst case scenario. But the rest of us-who aren't brian dead -know exactly what would have happened. The European men of these nations would have been worked to death as slaves and the Euopean women of these nations would have forced into sexuall slavery servicing the Japanese imperial army.

The Nazis were the technological enablers of Imperial Japan. The Nazis would have been accomplices to the mass murder of Euro-Australians and Euro-New Zealanders.

Chris,

It seems to me that making a moral evaluation of the situation in Iraq is as valid as assessing it from the POV of realpolitik. Obviously my opinion is that the invasion was a grave mistake from both vantage points, and as such they should reinforce one another. Whether liberals distort one and exclude the other should be a matter of indifference; what we should be interested in is the truth.

Of course empathy for the plight of foreigners can lead to hysterical, counterproductive, and irrational & sentimental hand-wringing or self-destructive decisions -- but on the other hand properly-balanced and rationally-restrained empathy can also provide significant and very practical insights.

I.e. an empathic person is more likely to question the prudence of trying to create a new American ally in the Middle East by starving and bombing people into a state of democracy. Lack of visceral empathy is as much to blame as anything for leading the Albrights and Frums of the world to think that a man whose child has become "collateral damage" will simply shrug off his son's death by saying, "you can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs."

It is not a lack of Machiavellian cunning but rather an inability to connect with real-world, human feelings which leads the would-be masters-of-the-universe to presume that this man -- and the dead boy's brothers, uncles, etc. -- will enthusiastically embrace Western-style constitutional principles immediately following the boy's funeral. (Not that the West really cares about constitutional principles anymore, of course, but that's beside the point.)

There is also the factual issue: I do not know the actual numbers any more than Doc Wilson does, but I should say that if we haven't killed as many Iraqis as Hussein has, then we've certainly given him a run for his money. Add together the civilian deaths from the embargo (~1 million) to those due to the occupation (the low estimate I've seen is ~40,000, a paltry sum I admit) and we get a pile of stiffs that is a bit too large to be swept under the rug.

This fact has indeed some bearing to our standing & reputation in the Middle East, and is something worth reflecting upon when we consider how we deal with the Muslim world.

What Dr. Wilson is attempting to do is in fact quite practical: Debunk a dangerous delusion held by far too many Americans, the delusion that we have any reasonable expectation of receiving a warm fuzzy glow of gratitude from Iraqis or anybody else in the Middle East.

In this light, I invite you to ponder as to whether "hot emotion" is not more evident in post #17, and in admonitions to have "the decency to edit outrageous attacks on the conduct of U.S. forces".

If we attempt to whitewash the ghastliness of the situation, then we are simply playing Rudy Giuliani to Dr. Wilson's Ron Paul.

They're over here because we're over there? What are you, some sort of anti-American leftist radical?