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		<title>By: WASP</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/09/23/an-amnesty-for-stupidity/comment-page-1/#comment-179703</link>
		<dc:creator>WASP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 18:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The truth hurts Pat but thanks for it nonetheless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The truth hurts Pat but thanks for it nonetheless.</p>
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		<title>By: EE Roberts</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/09/23/an-amnesty-for-stupidity/comment-page-1/#comment-179523</link>
		<dc:creator>EE Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I voted for Bush twice but now am certain I voted for the wrong man. &quot;

  Maybe you&#039;re on the road to waking up, but I&#039;m curious as to how any sentient being could be gulled into voting for W twice.  I had enough trouble understanding how anyone who considered himself a conservative could have remained in the GOP after the sorry spectacle of Dronin&#039; Bobby Dole being run as a soft pitch to Clinton&#039;s second term campaign.

  Dole&#039;s phony win in the primaries followed on the heels of the complete capitulation of the GOP in Congress, led by Dole and Gingrich, after the braying announcement of a &quot;republican revolution&quot; anf its &quot;contract with America&quot;.  The GOP had completely thrown off the mask of conservatism by that time.

  By the time the brainless wonder from Connecticut masqueraded as a Texan for his first presidential campaign any conservative with a shred of discernment should have been able to see that the GOP is a socialist party.  It&#039;s more than a little puzzling to me to hear people state that they have awakened, finally, after having voted for Bush twice. 

  Taking 8 years to awaken from such a deep, self induced slumber presents the image of someone who wears the snooze button on his alarm clock down to a nubbin before finally dragging himself out of bed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"I voted for Bush twice but now am certain I voted for the wrong man. "</p>
<p>  Maybe you're on the road to waking up, but I'm curious as to how any sentient being could be gulled into voting for W twice.  I had enough trouble understanding how anyone who considered himself a conservative could have remained in the GOP after the sorry spectacle of Dronin' Bobby Dole being run as a soft pitch to Clinton's second term campaign.</p>
<p>  Dole's phony win in the primaries followed on the heels of the complete capitulation of the GOP in Congress, led by Dole and Gingrich, after the braying announcement of a "republican revolution" anf its "contract with America".  The GOP had completely thrown off the mask of conservatism by that time.</p>
<p>  By the time the brainless wonder from Connecticut masqueraded as a Texan for his first presidential campaign any conservative with a shred of discernment should have been able to see that the GOP is a socialist party.  It's more than a little puzzling to me to hear people state that they have awakened, finally, after having voted for Bush twice. </p>
<p>  Taking 8 years to awaken from such a deep, self induced slumber presents the image of someone who wears the snooze button on his alarm clock down to a nubbin before finally dragging himself out of bed.</p>
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		<title>By: MilesGloriosus</title>
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		<dc:creator>MilesGloriosus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 15:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike H wrote: &quot;Here’s a little news flash for you: Carter DID start up a second cold war when he coerced the Shah to let Khomeni return from exile. Carter thought he had common ground with the Ayatollah because, after all, they were both Men of God. That’s the main “whoopsie” Jimmah caused that we’ve been dealing with for nearly 30 years and there’s no forseeable good outcome to it.&quot;

You made a good point, though I&#039;m hard pressed to call our situation with Iran &quot;cold.&quot; Forgive me for quibbling, but though I wouldn&#039;t call it hot, it&#039;s far from just a cold war. In fact, it may be outright boiling before long. 

That being said, recalling the witless Jimmy Carter, lo, those decades ago and comparing him with George Bush today has driven home EMPHATICALLY one thing to me: Do NOT put &quot;born-again&quot; evangelicals in The Oval Office. Though we might quibble which was worse, both men&#039;s belief in himself as God&#039;s instrument on earth seems to have goaded both Bush and Carter into naively pursuing policies saner folk would never have. And, for the future, If someone wants to play the tambourine, roll on the floor and speak in tongues,&quot; Good for him!&quot; I say. Just keep him/her far away from The Oval Office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike H wrote: "Here’s a little news flash for you: Carter DID start up a second cold war when he coerced the Shah to let Khomeni return from exile. Carter thought he had common ground with the Ayatollah because, after all, they were both Men of God. That’s the main “whoopsie” Jimmah caused that we’ve been dealing with for nearly 30 years and there’s no forseeable good outcome to it."</p>
<p>You made a good point, though I'm hard pressed to call our situation with Iran "cold." Forgive me for quibbling, but though I wouldn't call it hot, it's far from just a cold war. In fact, it may be outright boiling before long. </p>
<p>That being said, recalling the witless Jimmy Carter, lo, those decades ago and comparing him with George Bush today has driven home EMPHATICALLY one thing to me: Do NOT put "born-again" evangelicals in The Oval Office. Though we might quibble which was worse, both men's belief in himself as God's instrument on earth seems to have goaded both Bush and Carter into naively pursuing policies saner folk would never have. And, for the future, If someone wants to play the tambourine, roll on the floor and speak in tongues," Good for him!" I say. Just keep him/her far away from The Oval Office.</p>
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		<title>By: Etienne Gervaise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Etienne Gervaise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 03:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat, There is an upside to an American economic collapse.  The immigrantrs will find out the hard way that this is no longer the land of opportunity, and they&#039;ll return home with a revolutionary spirit crying out for a better life back home.  Back here the rich will make money and the poor will make children.  Then we can go about breeding our own underclass, and then we won&#039;t have to press 1 for English anymore.

The downside will be we&#039;ll have to press 1 for ebonics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat, There is an upside to an American economic collapse.  The immigrantrs will find out the hard way that this is no longer the land of opportunity, and they'll return home with a revolutionary spirit crying out for a better life back home.  Back here the rich will make money and the poor will make children.  Then we can go about breeding our own underclass, and then we won't have to press 1 for English anymore.</p>
<p>The downside will be we'll have to press 1 for ebonics.</p>
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		<title>By: Red Phillips</title>
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		<dc:creator>Red Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 02:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott R., I&#039;m trying shame as a tactic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott R., I'm trying shame as a tactic.</p>
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		<title>By: Clyde Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clyde Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When have the financiers ever failed to control the government for their benefit.  Not since Lincoln installed the policies of Mr. Buchanan&#039;s hero Alexander Hamilton, who believed that corruption was the key to effective government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When have the financiers ever failed to control the government for their benefit.  Not since Lincoln installed the policies of Mr. Buchanan's hero Alexander Hamilton, who believed that corruption was the key to effective government.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Leaberry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Leaberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to needle Pat Buchanan, but I believe the Chrysler bailout came on Jimmy Carter&#039;s watch and Marion Barry&#039;s dew rag-in-hand bailout pleas came during the Reagan Administration.  But Mr. Buchanan  is largely right and a dry-rotted establishment, from politicians to stockjobbers to K Street association chiefs deserve to be thrust upon the funeral pyre.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to needle Pat Buchanan, but I believe the Chrysler bailout came on Jimmy Carter's watch and Marion Barry's dew rag-in-hand bailout pleas came during the Reagan Administration.  But Mr. Buchanan  is largely right and a dry-rotted establishment, from politicians to stockjobbers to K Street association chiefs deserve to be thrust upon the funeral pyre.</p>
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		<title>By: mike h</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike h</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MilesGloriosus wrote:&quot;And, at least there was still a genuinely conservative opposition to clean up after Carter. Where is the man who’ll clean up after Bush? Certainly not the cadaverous John McCain.&quot;

True enough.  I see McCain more along the lines of Eisenhower- another mediocre president who might well have been a Democrat if only they didn&#039;t already have a canddate.  We&#039;ll end up with a democrat in the white house no matter who wins.

&quot; Barring a miracle, we’re going to be picking up after Bush for at least as long as Carter, and as bad as Carter was, he wasn’t so stupid to try to cause a new cold war.&quot;  Here&#039;s a little news flash for you:  Carter DID start up a second cold war when he coerced the Shah to let Khomeni return from exile.  Carter thought he had common ground with the Ayatollah because, after all, they were both Men of God.  That&#039;s the main &quot;whoopsie&quot; Jimmah caused that we&#039;ve been dealing with for nearly 30 years and there&#039;s no forseeable good outcome to it.

Steve Berg wrote:
&quot;The bankers recently bought their way to a revised bankruptcy statute. Not surprisingly it was much harder on imprudent saps who got in over their heads financially. So, I see no reason not to hoist these thieves on their own petard, and let them go through bankruptcy under the law they paid so much to get passed after writing most of it themselves&quot;

As it turn out, part of the bad debt the bankers want the taxpayers to clean up for them turns out to be delinquent credit card accounts and defaulted student loans- not just sub-prime mortgages that have gone bad.

As a Realtor, the company I work for has us take yearly update classes given by our attorney.  He describes Title Insurance as being the perfect business model: Collect the premium and KEEP it.   It looks like the bankers may be trying to improve on that: Loan money with interest and if it gets paid back, keep it.  If it doesn&#039;t get paid back, get the taxpayers to pay it back and then keep it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MilesGloriosus wrote:"And, at least there was still a genuinely conservative opposition to clean up after Carter. Where is the man who’ll clean up after Bush? Certainly not the cadaverous John McCain."</p>
<p>True enough.  I see McCain more along the lines of Eisenhower- another mediocre president who might well have been a Democrat if only they didn't already have a canddate.  We'll end up with a democrat in the white house no matter who wins.</p>
<p>" Barring a miracle, we’re going to be picking up after Bush for at least as long as Carter, and as bad as Carter was, he wasn’t so stupid to try to cause a new cold war."  Here's a little news flash for you:  Carter DID start up a second cold war when he coerced the Shah to let Khomeni return from exile.  Carter thought he had common ground with the Ayatollah because, after all, they were both Men of God.  That's the main "whoopsie" Jimmah caused that we've been dealing with for nearly 30 years and there's no forseeable good outcome to it.</p>
<p>Steve Berg wrote:<br />
"The bankers recently bought their way to a revised bankruptcy statute. Not surprisingly it was much harder on imprudent saps who got in over their heads financially. So, I see no reason not to hoist these thieves on their own petard, and let them go through bankruptcy under the law they paid so much to get passed after writing most of it themselves"</p>
<p>As it turn out, part of the bad debt the bankers want the taxpayers to clean up for them turns out to be delinquent credit card accounts and defaulted student loans- not just sub-prime mortgages that have gone bad.</p>
<p>As a Realtor, the company I work for has us take yearly update classes given by our attorney.  He describes Title Insurance as being the perfect business model: Collect the premium and KEEP it.   It looks like the bankers may be trying to improve on that: Loan money with interest and if it gets paid back, keep it.  If it doesn't get paid back, get the taxpayers to pay it back and then keep it.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott P. Richert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott P. Richert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Red, do you have to ask?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Red, do you have to ask?</p>
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		<title>By: Leo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We the taxpayers &quot;bail out &quot; a bankrupt incompetent imperial government EVERY DAY with the 40-50% of our income that is seized EVERY YEAR.Catch your breath,Pat....a buy-out of assets and liabilities (not bail- out of corporations and overpaid execs ) may work out for Main Street...and I&#039;m not losing sleep over the dwindling resources for empire.If one of the two idiots leading the polls for President would also halve the war budget(a modest proposal) we might dare wish for prosperity and a real dollar again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We the taxpayers "bail out " a bankrupt incompetent imperial government EVERY DAY with the 40-50% of our income that is seized EVERY YEAR.Catch your breath,Pat....a buy-out of assets and liabilities (not bail- out of corporations and overpaid execs ) may work out for Main Street...and I'm not losing sleep over the dwindling resources for empire.If one of the two idiots leading the polls for President would also halve the war budget(a modest proposal) we might dare wish for prosperity and a real dollar again.</p>
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