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		<title>By: Etienne Gervaise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Etienne Gervaise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 21:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@31 HF

I&#039;ll put it on my shopping list, along with Tito&#039;s new novel.

I had to give up on Spengler&#039;s Decline of Western Civ.  It was too boring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@31 HF</p>
<p>I'll put it on my shopping list, along with Tito's new novel.</p>
<p>I had to give up on Spengler's Decline of Western Civ.  It was too boring.</p>
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		<title>By: H.F. Wolff</title>
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		<dc:creator>H.F. Wolff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 20:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>29Etienne Gervaise:

&quot;Sad thing is — our votes are equal.&quot;

I agree with your lament.

There is a solution where the # of votes for an individual is based on merit.

It is described in a novel entitled &quot;The Seventh Vote&quot;.

H.F. Wolff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>29Etienne Gervaise:</p>
<p>"Sad thing is — our votes are equal."</p>
<p>I agree with your lament.</p>
<p>There is a solution where the # of votes for an individual is based on merit.</p>
<p>It is described in a novel entitled "The Seventh Vote".</p>
<p>H.F. Wolff</p>
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		<title>By: Etienne Gervaise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Etienne Gervaise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 03:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@28 Frank

There is hope out there on the bar band circuit.  Since most punk rockers are now self-employed sorts, their lyrics are becoming more anti-statist.  These young folks travel from town to town  burning up fuel, and selling t-shirts and Cds. At the end of the year they sit down and subtract their cost from their gross and try to wonder whether or not it&#039;s profitable to continue performing.

As poor as their music was, the Sex Pistols were pretty conservative in thier lyrics.  They did as much to change pop music as the Beatles.  They also caused Inner City London youth to vote for the tories rather than Labour which had swindled them with broken promises.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@28 Frank</p>
<p>There is hope out there on the bar band circuit.  Since most punk rockers are now self-employed sorts, their lyrics are becoming more anti-statist.  These young folks travel from town to town  burning up fuel, and selling t-shirts and Cds. At the end of the year they sit down and subtract their cost from their gross and try to wonder whether or not it's profitable to continue performing.</p>
<p>As poor as their music was, the Sex Pistols were pretty conservative in thier lyrics.  They did as much to change pop music as the Beatles.  They also caused Inner City London youth to vote for the tories rather than Labour which had swindled them with broken promises.</p>
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		<title>By: Etienne Gervaise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Etienne Gervaise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 03:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@21 Clyde

George Orwell described himself as upper lower middle class, and so do I because the reference is so obscure.  I am a self-employed construction consultant who gets results, White-collar working class.  That to me is the middle class.

People who merely live in 10,00 square foot houses in fashionable zip codes, and swear incessantly at the co-workers are not what I call upper class.

For low class, just look outside any city liquor store.  Sad thing is -- our votes are equal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@21 Clyde</p>
<p>George Orwell described himself as upper lower middle class, and so do I because the reference is so obscure.  I am a self-employed construction consultant who gets results, White-collar working class.  That to me is the middle class.</p>
<p>People who merely live in 10,00 square foot houses in fashionable zip codes, and swear incessantly at the co-workers are not what I call upper class.</p>
<p>For low class, just look outside any city liquor store.  Sad thing is -- our votes are equal.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 02:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Were the Aztec nationalists of today able to locate a book on Aztec religion and culture, I&#039;m sure they&#039;d attempt to restore it. Whether good or bad, the Spanish burned most records.

Still, I need something older from Europe that would be respected here...

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Now, I wonder if &quot;culture&quot; is meant to include an elite or the people as a whole. That is - is high culture the only real culture? If so, then there&#039;s surely a small elite living among a few paleo and related groups. There remains among them the seed, and among the remnant Southern peoples the fertile soil.

I&#039;ve never been to Weaverville, but I wonder too what&#039;s become of Weaver&#039;s clan/family...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Were the Aztec nationalists of today able to locate a book on Aztec religion and culture, I'm sure they'd attempt to restore it. Whether good or bad, the Spanish burned most records.</p>
<p>Still, I need something older from Europe that would be respected here...</p>
<p>---</p>
<p>Now, I wonder if "culture" is meant to include an elite or the people as a whole. That is - is high culture the only real culture? If so, then there's surely a small elite living among a few paleo and related groups. There remains among them the seed, and among the remnant Southern peoples the fertile soil.</p>
<p>I've never been to Weaverville, but I wonder too what's become of Weaver's clan/family...</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 01:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about the Cornish nationalism today? The language completely or nearly completely died out and then in 1904 Henry Jenner&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Handbook of the Cornish Language&lt;/i&gt; was printed and it has since seen a revival.

Today, Cornwall is suffering moderate immigration and in reaction Cornish nationalism has revived, probably spurring on adoption of the language and other cultural characteristics.

I&#039;ve never been to Cornwall, but it sounds as if the culture largely died out and was then renewed when the natives sought it out. Once the natives go though, I&#039;m sure the nation&#039;s dead for good.

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Odinism and the druids had totally disappeared until Asatru and Wicca came about. Now, the former doesn&#039;t know much about what it&#039;s trying to revive, and the latter is probably pure garbage, but they&#039;re examples of attempts at reviving a dead religion (and religion&#039;s of course important to any people, the South couldn&#039;t be the South without Christianity.)

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I&#039;m sure I can think of a better example...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about the Cornish nationalism today? The language completely or nearly completely died out and then in 1904 Henry Jenner's <i>Handbook of the Cornish Language</i> was printed and it has since seen a revival.</p>
<p>Today, Cornwall is suffering moderate immigration and in reaction Cornish nationalism has revived, probably spurring on adoption of the language and other cultural characteristics.</p>
<p>I've never been to Cornwall, but it sounds as if the culture largely died out and was then renewed when the natives sought it out. Once the natives go though, I'm sure the nation's dead for good.</p>
<p>---</p>
<p>Odinism and the druids had totally disappeared until Asatru and Wicca came about. Now, the former doesn't know much about what it's trying to revive, and the latter is probably pure garbage, but they're examples of attempts at reviving a dead religion (and religion's of course important to any people, the South couldn't be the South without Christianity.)</p>
<p>---</p>
<p>I'm sure I can think of a better example...</p>
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		<title>By: TJF</title>
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		<dc:creator>TJF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Weakened states revive, but dead nations?  One might want some examples.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weakened states revive, but dead nations?  One might want some examples.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Peters,

Dead nations have a tendency to spring back to life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Peters,</p>
<p>Dead nations have a tendency to spring back to life.</p>
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		<title>By: robert m. peters</title>
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		<dc:creator>robert m. peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 10:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the most obvious and most readily available form on which to share a disturbing experience which I had yesterday.  I had occasion to be in conversation with eight seniors from a local private high school, all average to above average intelligence.  They are all life-long residents of a region of Louisiana which is a mere six miles from Mansfield where General Richard Taylor defeated General Banks at the battle of Mansfield.  Some of the students come from little towns named Longstreet and Stonewall.  At least one comes from a town in which there is a rather large Confederate cemetery.  In the course of my conversation with them, I mentioned the term &quot;Dixie.&quot;  By the look on their faces, I was driven to ask if they were familiar with the term.  To a person, they said that they were not.  They did not recall ever having heard it.  I then sang the first verse of &quot;Dixie&quot; for them.  One girl then said that she vaguely recalled having heard the song before but did not remember the word &quot;Dixie.&quot;  If I correctly recall, Richard Taylor had a child whom he called &quot;Dixie,&quot; and the child died during the course of the war.  It would now seem that Dixie is indeed dead, at least to the group which I encountered yesterday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the most obvious and most readily available form on which to share a disturbing experience which I had yesterday.  I had occasion to be in conversation with eight seniors from a local private high school, all average to above average intelligence.  They are all life-long residents of a region of Louisiana which is a mere six miles from Mansfield where General Richard Taylor defeated General Banks at the battle of Mansfield.  Some of the students come from little towns named Longstreet and Stonewall.  At least one comes from a town in which there is a rather large Confederate cemetery.  In the course of my conversation with them, I mentioned the term "Dixie."  By the look on their faces, I was driven to ask if they were familiar with the term.  To a person, they said that they were not.  They did not recall ever having heard it.  I then sang the first verse of "Dixie" for them.  One girl then said that she vaguely recalled having heard the song before but did not remember the word "Dixie."  If I correctly recall, Richard Taylor had a child whom he called "Dixie," and the child died during the course of the war.  It would now seem that Dixie is indeed dead, at least to the group which I encountered yesterday.</p>
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		<title>By: MAP</title>
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		<dc:creator>MAP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Willson @ 17, I suggest you read the book &quot;The Real Lincoln&quot; written by Charles L.C. Minor and published in 1904. Using Northern references alone (newspapers, correspondence, diaries, histories, biographies, etc. by influential and powerful Northerners) it documents just how opposite the reality was from the fiction we are told. The entire war was the result of one man alone, Abe Lincoln, a mediocre and an incompetent who had little support even within his own administration and party. He blundered his way into the war by creating the attack on Ft. Sumter based on the very faulty belief that secession was the result of radicals in the South, not the solid South as a whole, as was the real situation. He made yet another error of judgment by believing that a battle would be a crushing defeat to the South because the Southern radicals would never be able to muster a force of any size. These ‘oversights’ proved disastrous with a total rout of the Union forces at First Manassas. From that point onward is a tale of a man completely ‘in over his head’. As the chain of events began to spiral completely out of control, he began to unleash a rein of terror across the North in a frantic attempt to control the situation. (Interesting, many references confirm that the North actually sided with the South.) And since he had reduced many major states to police states, his reelection was guaranteed by force and fraud, though even the Republican Party opposed his serving another term, thus his assassination.  

With the empire crumbling out of control and the Washington incompetents behind the wheel, I wonder if we will be subjected to the same. Perhaps the Patriot Act is only the beginning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Willson @ 17, I suggest you read the book "The Real Lincoln" written by Charles L.C. Minor and published in 1904. Using Northern references alone (newspapers, correspondence, diaries, histories, biographies, etc. by influential and powerful Northerners) it documents just how opposite the reality was from the fiction we are told. The entire war was the result of one man alone, Abe Lincoln, a mediocre and an incompetent who had little support even within his own administration and party. He blundered his way into the war by creating the attack on Ft. Sumter based on the very faulty belief that secession was the result of radicals in the South, not the solid South as a whole, as was the real situation. He made yet another error of judgment by believing that a battle would be a crushing defeat to the South because the Southern radicals would never be able to muster a force of any size. These ‘oversights’ proved disastrous with a total rout of the Union forces at First Manassas. From that point onward is a tale of a man completely ‘in over his head’. As the chain of events began to spiral completely out of control, he began to unleash a rein of terror across the North in a frantic attempt to control the situation. (Interesting, many references confirm that the North actually sided with the South.) And since he had reduced many major states to police states, his reelection was guaranteed by force and fraud, though even the Republican Party opposed his serving another term, thus his assassination.  </p>
<p>With the empire crumbling out of control and the Washington incompetents behind the wheel, I wonder if we will be subjected to the same. Perhaps the Patriot Act is only the beginning.</p>
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