Comments on: Observations and Lamentations on the Way We Are Now http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/09/14/observations-and-lamentations-on-the-way-we-are-now/ Your home for traditional conservatism. Thu, 24 May 2012 08:19:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Etienne Gervaise http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/09/14/observations-and-lamentations-on-the-way-we-are-now/comment-page-1/#comment-179531 Etienne Gervaise Sun, 28 Sep 2008 23:11:09 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=729#comment-179531 @41 Mike I read that book it's great! It does not require a strong stomach at all. I'm still working on I'll Take My Stand by 12 Southerners -- as relevant today as it was in the late 1920s when it was written. @37 Clyde I have heard the same thing about communist cell group meetings in New York City during the 1960s. That's the problem with living in a police state, there are way too many of them with too much free time to make trouble. If the various agencies did their jobs properly, then they could arrest, try, and imprison every single criminal. However, they seem to be in the business of justifying their existence. @41 Mike

I read that book it's great! It does not require a strong stomach at all.

I'm still working on I'll Take My Stand by 12 Southerners -- as relevant today as it was in the late 1920s when it was written.

@37 Clyde

I have heard the same thing about communist cell group meetings in New York City during the 1960s. That's the problem with living in a police state, there are way too many of them with too much free time to make trouble. If the various agencies did their jobs properly, then they could arrest, try, and imprison every single criminal. However, they seem to be in the business of justifying their existence.

]]> By: Mike Ezzo http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/09/14/observations-and-lamentations-on-the-way-we-are-now/comment-page-1/#comment-179325 Mike Ezzo Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:18:56 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=729#comment-179325 It may have been Ambrose Evans-Pritchard who wrote the book Dr. Wilson refers to (in #37). It is called The Secret Life of Bill Clinton: The Unreported Stories. Now if you can stomach that one you have fortitude! It may have been Ambrose Evans-Pritchard who wrote the book Dr. Wilson refers to (in #37). It is called The Secret Life of Bill Clinton: The Unreported Stories. Now if you can stomach that one you have fortitude!

]]> By: H.F. Wolff http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/09/14/observations-and-lamentations-on-the-way-we-are-now/comment-page-1/#comment-179310 H.F. Wolff Sun, 21 Sep 2008 16:22:15 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=729#comment-179310 Dr. Wilson: "This is my summary based upon years of hard study. generally, everything you read about these questions is wrong." Perhaps you could point out a number of good sources to educate the great unwashed? Thank you. H.F. Wolff Dr. Wilson:

"This is my summary based upon years of hard study. generally, everything you read about these questions is wrong."

Perhaps you could point out a number of good sources to educate the great unwashed?

Thank you.

H.F. Wolff

]]> By: Phiz http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/09/14/observations-and-lamentations-on-the-way-we-are-now/comment-page-1/#comment-179309 Phiz Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:53:39 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=729#comment-179309 Sir, My remarks on Grant should be taken with a grain of salt. I suspect his corruption would amuse modern professional politicians and is below the level of pocket-lining accepted in Illinois alone. If we consider that when historians compile their lists of 'Greatest Presidents' they commonly mean 'Presidents Who Most Expanded Federal Power', then on that basis alone Grant being at the bottom of the list is in his favor. He has little to show for his years in office. Sir,

My remarks on Grant should be taken with a grain of salt. I suspect his corruption would amuse modern professional politicians and is below the level of pocket-lining accepted in Illinois alone.

If we consider that when historians compile their lists of 'Greatest Presidents' they commonly mean 'Presidents Who Most Expanded Federal Power', then on that basis alone Grant being at the bottom of the list is in his favor. He has little to show for his years in office.

]]> By: Allen Wilson http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/09/14/observations-and-lamentations-on-the-way-we-are-now/comment-page-1/#comment-179292 Allen Wilson Sat, 20 Sep 2008 18:31:35 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=729#comment-179292 Thank you very much for the information, Dr Wilson. You are very right, they certainly are plausible. Considering the covert operations underlying the government's foreign adventures in Bosnia, Kosovo, Georgia, etc., there is no reason to think that covert operations haven't been carried out here. Thank you very much for the information, Dr Wilson. You are very right, they certainly are plausible. Considering the covert operations underlying the government's foreign adventures in Bosnia, Kosovo, Georgia, etc., there is no reason to think that covert operations haven't been carried out here.

]]> By: Clyde Wilson http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/09/14/observations-and-lamentations-on-the-way-we-are-now/comment-page-1/#comment-179288 Clyde Wilson Sat, 20 Sep 2008 12:27:39 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=729#comment-179288 Mr. Wilson, what a great subject for a real historian to undertake! I do not know enough to make any firm assertions. I do know it was commonplace to believe that whenever the Klan met, half the members were FBI informants. Serious allegations have been made about government provocateurs being involved in a murder in Mississippi during the era. You will find relevant material in THE SOUTH UNDER SIEGE by Frank Conner and CAN THE SOUTH SURVIVE? by Michael Grissom. Interestingly, it was not only Southern resistance to "civil rights" that was targeted. It has been alleged that there was government involvement in the bombing of the laboratory in Wisconsin during the Vietnam War protest, and a respectable British journalist, as I recall, wrote a book about the Oklahoma City bombing resulting from a government manipulation gone bad. We do not know, and perhaps will never know, the whole story about any of these things. However, they are highly plausible---unless one believes that the U.S. government is simply too noble and virtuous to ever engage in dirty tricks---unlike every other modern government. If anyone thinks that, I have some waterfront property in Florida that has been in the family a long time, but which I am willing to sell for the right price. Mr. Wilson, what a great subject for a real historian to undertake! I do not know enough to make any firm assertions. I do know it was commonplace to believe that whenever the Klan met, half the members were FBI informants. Serious allegations have been made about government provocateurs being involved in a murder in Mississippi during the era. You will find relevant material in THE SOUTH UNDER SIEGE by Frank Conner and CAN THE SOUTH SURVIVE? by Michael Grissom. Interestingly, it was not only Southern resistance to "civil rights" that was targeted. It has been alleged that there was government involvement in the bombing of the laboratory in Wisconsin during the Vietnam War protest, and a respectable British journalist, as I recall, wrote a book about the Oklahoma City bombing resulting from a government manipulation gone bad. We do not know, and perhaps will never know, the whole story about any of these things. However, they are highly plausible---unless one believes that the U.S. government is simply too noble and virtuous to ever engage in dirty tricks---unlike every other modern government.
If anyone thinks that, I have some waterfront property in Florida that has been in the family a long time, but which I am willing to sell for the right price.

]]> By: Allen Wilson http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/09/14/observations-and-lamentations-on-the-way-we-are-now/comment-page-1/#comment-179275 Allen Wilson Sat, 20 Sep 2008 02:17:12 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=729#comment-179275 Dr Wilson, has anyone ever written an accurate, non-propagandistic, truthful account of the 'civil rights' 'crusades' and given an accurate description of what was really going on and why, and how it was actually planned, organised, and executed? Surely, the powers that be would have buried it long ago. How many layers of digging and excavation would it take to find a copy of such a rare specimen, forbidden from being displayed even in museums? I have heard that small-time members of local Klan chapters in Mississippi were ambushed and murdered by the FBI, among other things. I've also wondered whether some of the famous black murder victims of the time weren't killed by someone other than the accused, to create martyrs. That sounds like weird conspiracy theory, but there seems to be a lot more to the story than people are allowed to believe. I heard firsthand from a former city policeman about how they had to stay on the lookout for provocateurs and other such types coming into town from Little Rock, and how he was once involved in arresting a couple blacks who drove into town from Little Rock with a trunk load of homemade bombs. He also said that there was a mass arrest that took place in the parking lot of Central High, where homemade bombs were found in the trunks of multiple cars. They were going to blow the school building up. I cant verify any of that since it was years ago, he's no longer around, and I dont know how to research it. Dr Wilson, has anyone ever written an accurate, non-propagandistic, truthful account of the 'civil rights' 'crusades' and given an accurate description of what was really going on and why, and how it was actually planned, organised, and executed?

Surely, the powers that be would have buried it long ago. How many layers of digging and excavation would it take to find a copy of such a rare specimen, forbidden from being displayed even in museums?

I have heard that small-time members of local Klan chapters in Mississippi were ambushed and murdered by the FBI, among other things. I've also wondered whether some of the famous black murder victims of the time weren't killed by someone other than the accused, to create martyrs. That sounds like weird conspiracy theory, but there seems to be a lot more to the story than people are allowed to believe.

I heard firsthand from a former city policeman about how they had to stay on the lookout for provocateurs and other such types coming into town from Little Rock, and how he was once involved in arresting a couple blacks who drove into town from Little Rock with a trunk load of homemade bombs. He also said that there was a mass arrest that took place in the parking lot of Central High, where homemade bombs were found in the trunks of multiple cars. They were going to blow the school building up. I cant verify any of that since it was years ago, he's no longer around, and I dont know how to research it.

]]> By: Clyde Wilson http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/09/14/observations-and-lamentations-on-the-way-we-are-now/comment-page-1/#comment-179268 Clyde Wilson Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:04:45 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=729#comment-179268 Mr. Wilson, I have a strong memory of Little Rock and of Oxford. Also of the "civil rights protests" in my North Carolina home town during which my father, a fire captain in charge of an all-black company, was repeatedly subjected to sniper fire while dealing with the work of arsonists in black residential areas. Mr. Wilson, I have a strong memory of Little Rock and of Oxford. Also of the "civil rights protests" in my North Carolina home town during which my father, a fire captain in charge of an all-black company, was repeatedly subjected to sniper fire while dealing with the work of arsonists in black residential areas.

]]> By: Allen Wilson http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/09/14/observations-and-lamentations-on-the-way-we-are-now/comment-page-1/#comment-179260 Allen Wilson Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:36:04 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=729#comment-179260 Dr Wilson, you are right of course, and in fact I wasn't trying to be critical of what you said about him, since I actually agreed with it. I wasn't even thinking about that when I made the above post, I just failed to word things correctly so that there would be no misunderstanding. You have my apologies. What I really had in mind was the similarity of Eisenhower to post-war Grant in his treatment of Southern states, and how little had changed, or still has changed. Eisenhower deserves credit for warning us about the 'military-industrial complex'. He had more sense than perhaps any of his successors, and he sure would beat the two zombies running for office now. Even so, every time I try to give him credit, Little Rock comes to mind. Dr Wilson, you are right of course, and in fact I wasn't trying to be critical of what you said about him, since I actually agreed with it. I wasn't even thinking about that when I made the above post, I just failed to word things correctly so that there would be no misunderstanding. You have my apologies.

What I really had in mind was the similarity of Eisenhower to post-war Grant in his treatment of Southern states, and how little had changed, or still has changed.

Eisenhower deserves credit for warning us about the 'military-industrial complex'. He had more sense than perhaps any of his successors, and he sure would beat the two zombies running for office now. Even so, every time I try to give him credit, Little Rock comes to mind.

]]> By: Clyde Wilson http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/09/14/observations-and-lamentations-on-the-way-we-are-now/comment-page-1/#comment-179246 Clyde Wilson Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:45:30 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=729#comment-179246 Mr. Wilson, I am no great admirer of Eisenhower ("the best clerk I ever had in my command" according to MacArthur). Appointment of Warren and Brennan to the Supreme Court and the Interestate highway system are enough to condemn anyone. I was merely pointing out that he was the last president who had some sort of sensible perspective on the U.S. role in the world. Mr. Wilson, I am no great admirer of Eisenhower ("the best clerk I ever had in my command" according to MacArthur). Appointment of Warren and Brennan to the Supreme Court and the Interestate highway system are enough to condemn anyone. I was merely pointing out that he was the last president who had some sort of sensible perspective on the U.S. role in the world.

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