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	<title>Comments on: Editors&#8217; Round Table on Sarah Palin: The Palin Moment</title>
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		<title>By: Tom Flinn</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/09/06/editors-round-table-on-sarah-palin-the-palin-moment/comment-page-2/#comment-179333</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Flinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 22:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(#58, Jim):  You make some very good points, but I am not quite ready to call it quits on a restoration of Christian civilization, although I am not naive enough to think it&#039;s going to happen soon.  After all, when St. Benedict and his monks got to work the society they had to live in was a pretty hideous mess.  It took many years and it wasn&#039;t politics that made the difference.  As far as being a purist, perhaps there are some but as for me I have never expected to find the perfect candidate or ticket.  This is politics, after all, and there are going to be compromises and dirty deals occasionally.  However, I have voted all my life for the lesser idiot so the bigger idiot would not get elected.  You see the results before you.  Voting for the lesser idiot is no longer satisfying.  It is very tempting to vote McCain just because he isn&#039;t Obama, but I am going to resist the temptation.  Unfortunately, we depend on the two major parties to supply us with candidates and when they can&#039;t do any better than this year I say a pox on both their houses.  Either way I am afraid we will get what we have asked for all these years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(#58, Jim):  You make some very good points, but I am not quite ready to call it quits on a restoration of Christian civilization, although I am not naive enough to think it's going to happen soon.  After all, when St. Benedict and his monks got to work the society they had to live in was a pretty hideous mess.  It took many years and it wasn't politics that made the difference.  As far as being a purist, perhaps there are some but as for me I have never expected to find the perfect candidate or ticket.  This is politics, after all, and there are going to be compromises and dirty deals occasionally.  However, I have voted all my life for the lesser idiot so the bigger idiot would not get elected.  You see the results before you.  Voting for the lesser idiot is no longer satisfying.  It is very tempting to vote McCain just because he isn't Obama, but I am going to resist the temptation.  Unfortunately, we depend on the two major parties to supply us with candidates and when they can't do any better than this year I say a pox on both their houses.  Either way I am afraid we will get what we have asked for all these years.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 01:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to clone the post I put on Aaron&#039;s fine article.  Dang but I hate going against all my intellectual idols!  Prof Wilson:  there isn&#039;t going to be any traditionalist reaction.  Forget it.  We didn&#039;t pass the civilization on to our children.  They don&#039;t even know what you are talking about.  When the pendulum of the dialectic next swings away from the statist/leftist/evil antithesis, it isn&#039;t going to be to the paleo thesis; it will be to the synthesis and that will not be to our liking.  It has already swung once and the synthesis is the hated neo-cons.  The next synthesis is going to be an even worse group - the libertarian types who have no sense of right/wrong nor community and yet feel a great sense of entitlement.  These are the selfish heathen who cut in front of you on the freeway on a good day and will push the button on a bad one, say, after the economic meltdown.

I understand and agree with what you guys and the beautiful Mrs Boyer are saying:  we shouldn&#039;t be naive about what we are getting and, yes, all those cheering fans are being very naive!  But now the cloned post:

Hey all you Paleo Purists! We’ve lost the culture war. The dialectic has turned a few times and nothing short of meltdown and/or civil war is going to bring back the life we cherish. Most of us older folks haven’t even been able to pass it on to our children and certainly not to our grandchildren. No election is going to change that — as most of the Chronicles posts recognize.

So why are we being stubborn holdouts for the perfect ticket? It hasn’t happened, again. All one can do is perform a little calculus as the issues and facts parade before us and go for the team that is closer or even slightly closer to our own desires.

Other than the possibility of McCain foolishly pursuing hegemony around the world, McCain is closer to our side than is Obama. And even with Obama we are still going to have someone who thinks we should be the world’s policeman. You can count on his signing on to United Nation’s adventures and foolish treaties that usurp US sovereignty. With McCain having a Democratic congress to contend with I doubt that he will be able to engage in much imperialism.

It pains me to see so many of you whom I respect being such absolutists. Most of you are agreeing that Obama would be worse and yet you are still holding out. For what? Look, we all know the Bush years have been a disaster but at least we got a Supreme Court that recognizes the 2nd Amendment means what it says. And didn’t Bush appointees uphold the partial birth abortion ban? I hate to expouse situation ethics but that’s the choice we have before us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm going to clone the post I put on Aaron's fine article.  Dang but I hate going against all my intellectual idols!  Prof Wilson:  there isn't going to be any traditionalist reaction.  Forget it.  We didn't pass the civilization on to our children.  They don't even know what you are talking about.  When the pendulum of the dialectic next swings away from the statist/leftist/evil antithesis, it isn't going to be to the paleo thesis; it will be to the synthesis and that will not be to our liking.  It has already swung once and the synthesis is the hated neo-cons.  The next synthesis is going to be an even worse group - the libertarian types who have no sense of right/wrong nor community and yet feel a great sense of entitlement.  These are the selfish heathen who cut in front of you on the freeway on a good day and will push the button on a bad one, say, after the economic meltdown.</p>
<p>I understand and agree with what you guys and the beautiful Mrs Boyer are saying:  we shouldn't be naive about what we are getting and, yes, all those cheering fans are being very naive!  But now the cloned post:</p>
<p>Hey all you Paleo Purists! We’ve lost the culture war. The dialectic has turned a few times and nothing short of meltdown and/or civil war is going to bring back the life we cherish. Most of us older folks haven’t even been able to pass it on to our children and certainly not to our grandchildren. No election is going to change that — as most of the Chronicles posts recognize.</p>
<p>So why are we being stubborn holdouts for the perfect ticket? It hasn’t happened, again. All one can do is perform a little calculus as the issues and facts parade before us and go for the team that is closer or even slightly closer to our own desires.</p>
<p>Other than the possibility of McCain foolishly pursuing hegemony around the world, McCain is closer to our side than is Obama. And even with Obama we are still going to have someone who thinks we should be the world’s policeman. You can count on his signing on to United Nation’s adventures and foolish treaties that usurp US sovereignty. With McCain having a Democratic congress to contend with I doubt that he will be able to engage in much imperialism.</p>
<p>It pains me to see so many of you whom I respect being such absolutists. Most of you are agreeing that Obama would be worse and yet you are still holding out. For what? Look, we all know the Bush years have been a disaster but at least we got a Supreme Court that recognizes the 2nd Amendment means what it says. And didn’t Bush appointees uphold the partial birth abortion ban? I hate to expouse situation ethics but that’s the choice we have before us.</p>
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		<title>By: Etienne Gervaise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Etienne Gervaise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 03:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@27 Tom

I know you don&#039;t like to vote.  And it&#039;s probably true that if it would change anything then &quot;they&quot; wouldn&#039;t let us do it.  However, I still show up at the polls for 2 reasons.
1.  I had to wait 10 extra years for citizenship because I was white, and even then Congressman Frank Wolf had to intervene on my behalf -- the spite factor, and
2.  I vote No on any and all bond issues and Virginia constitutional amendments -- another spite factor.

Plus, since VA has no party registration I&#039;ll vote in democrat primaries for Lyndon LaRouche because he&#039;s a bull goose loony who got railroaded by the system, and he&#039;s Virginia&#039;s bull goose loony.  Like Tip O&#039;Neill said -- all politics is local.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@27 Tom</p>
<p>I know you don't like to vote.  And it's probably true that if it would change anything then "they" wouldn't let us do it.  However, I still show up at the polls for 2 reasons.<br />
1.  I had to wait 10 extra years for citizenship because I was white, and even then Congressman Frank Wolf had to intervene on my behalf -- the spite factor, and<br />
2.  I vote No on any and all bond issues and Virginia constitutional amendments -- another spite factor.</p>
<p>Plus, since VA has no party registration I'll vote in democrat primaries for Lyndon LaRouche because he's a bull goose loony who got railroaded by the system, and he's Virginia's bull goose loony.  Like Tip O'Neill said -- all politics is local.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Flinn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Flinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have decided to write in for president the name of Otto von Habsburg.  He represents everything I would like to see in a president: a strong Catholic faith, steeped in the history of western civilization, a gentleman and a scholar and one with vast experience in the ways of politics without having been corrupted by them.  Draft Otto movement, anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have decided to write in for president the name of Otto von Habsburg.  He represents everything I would like to see in a president: a strong Catholic faith, steeped in the history of western civilization, a gentleman and a scholar and one with vast experience in the ways of politics without having been corrupted by them.  Draft Otto movement, anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Richert: One Catholic&#8217;s View of Palin &#171; The Paleocrat</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/09/06/editors-round-table-on-sarah-palin-the-palin-moment/comment-page-2/#comment-179021</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Richert: One Catholic&#8217;s View of Palin &#171; The Paleocrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 15:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Tom Piatik: A Small Town Girl [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kirt Higdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirt Higdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 13:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem I have is what Palin&#039;s surging popularity reveals about the &quot;normal&quot; American electorate - especially the female half of it.  The Wall Street Journal reported yesterday that women are &quot;snapping up&quot; Sarah Palin style eye glasses, shoes, and (of course) lipstick.  There is even a demand for Sarah Palin wigs.  Needless to say the denizens of the fashion industry are scrambling to make a financial killing off this most recent celebrity fad.  Can anything be as surpassingly silly?  On this basis the American people choose their rulers.

More serious is the blatant militarism of the McPalin ticket, emphasized and re-emphasized by both candidates and the me-too militarism of Obama and the democrats.  The American people are bloodthirsty and eager for more war.  Were a pro-war position unpopular, the candidates would be eager to conceal their own pro-war inclinations; instead they proclaim their militarism in every interview.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem I have is what Palin's surging popularity reveals about the "normal" American electorate - especially the female half of it.  The Wall Street Journal reported yesterday that women are "snapping up" Sarah Palin style eye glasses, shoes, and (of course) lipstick.  There is even a demand for Sarah Palin wigs.  Needless to say the denizens of the fashion industry are scrambling to make a financial killing off this most recent celebrity fad.  Can anything be as surpassingly silly?  On this basis the American people choose their rulers.</p>
<p>More serious is the blatant militarism of the McPalin ticket, emphasized and re-emphasized by both candidates and the me-too militarism of Obama and the democrats.  The American people are bloodthirsty and eager for more war.  Were a pro-war position unpopular, the candidates would be eager to conceal their own pro-war inclinations; instead they proclaim their militarism in every interview.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Piatak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Piatak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To all:

Mark Shea is doing an outstanding job of analyzing the leftist hatred of Palin, which he rightly sees as an example of the leftist hatred of the normal which Joe Sobran has been writing about for decades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all:</p>
<p>Mark Shea is doing an outstanding job of analyzing the leftist hatred of Palin, which he rightly sees as an example of the leftist hatred of the normal which Joe Sobran has been writing about for decades.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Piatak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Piatak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To all:

Mark Shea is doing an outstanding job of analyzing the leftist hatred of Palin, which he rightly sees as an example of the leftist hatred of the normal which Joe Sobran has been writing about for decades:  http://www.markshea.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all:</p>
<p>Mark Shea is doing an outstanding job of analyzing the leftist hatred of Palin, which he rightly sees as an example of the leftist hatred of the normal which Joe Sobran has been writing about for decades:  <a href="http://www.markshea.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.markshea.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tom Piatak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Piatak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 17:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Leaberry,

I think you are correct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Leaberry,</p>
<p>I think you are correct.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Leaberry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Leaberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 17:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One wonders how Sarah Palin will react if a President McCain, his particular friend Sen. Lindsey Graham, and a dying Ted Kennedy cobble together illegal immigration amnesty in 2009.  My guess is that McCain will not consult her on the question,  she will obey her president in supporting amnesty, and she will end up looking as foolish as Dan Quayle did in 1990 when he dutifully supported George H.W. Bush&#039;s tax increases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One wonders how Sarah Palin will react if a President McCain, his particular friend Sen. Lindsey Graham, and a dying Ted Kennedy cobble together illegal immigration amnesty in 2009.  My guess is that McCain will not consult her on the question,  she will obey her president in supporting amnesty, and she will end up looking as foolish as Dan Quayle did in 1990 when he dutifully supported George H.W. Bush's tax increases.</p>
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