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		<title>By: MilesGloriosus</title>
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		<dc:creator>MilesGloriosus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@33Ronduck

While I worked as a volunteer for Bush&#039;s election in 2000 and 2004, I&#039;m now forced to ask myself why I did it. While we do have enemies from without, there&#039;s more than one way to destroy a country (especially from within), and it looks as if Bush hit on many of them.

In 2000 Jimmy Carter had been the worst President in my lifetime. In 2008 I&#039;m no longer certain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@33Ronduck</p>
<p>While I worked as a volunteer for Bush's election in 2000 and 2004, I'm now forced to ask myself why I did it. While we do have enemies from without, there's more than one way to destroy a country (especially from within), and it looks as if Bush hit on many of them.</p>
<p>In 2000 Jimmy Carter had been the worst President in my lifetime. In 2008 I'm no longer certain.</p>
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		<title>By: Akira</title>
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		<dc:creator>Akira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J.D.,

As bad -- or evil, even -- as the Georgian government is, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s right to describe Georgia as &quot;un-Christian.&quot;

Please reconsider this sentence of yours:

&quot;People who wage war, murder innocents, and thwart acts of secession by people wanting to be free from tyranny are un-Christian.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J.D.,</p>
<p>As bad -- or evil, even -- as the Georgian government is, I don't think it's right to describe Georgia as "un-Christian."</p>
<p>Please reconsider this sentence of yours:</p>
<p>"People who wage war, murder innocents, and thwart acts of secession by people wanting to be free from tyranny are un-Christian."</p>
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		<title>By: Ronduck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronduck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 04:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;My own opinion is that Dr. Roberts long ago slid into irrational ideology. George Bush is his “Other.” &lt;/i&gt;

I believe that Dr. Roberts hates bush because he feels that Bush has ruined his life&#039;s work. Dr. Roberts spent his entire life working for    the Republican party to win office so it could push save America from liberalism. Now that the party has had its&#039; chance at controlling all three branches of government it has instead used the opportunity to push for greater government power and is destroying the American people. Dr. Roberts probably feels that he has wasted his life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>My own opinion is that Dr. Roberts long ago slid into irrational ideology. George Bush is his “Other.” </i></p>
<p>I believe that Dr. Roberts hates bush because he feels that Bush has ruined his life's work. Dr. Roberts spent his entire life working for    the Republican party to win office so it could push save America from liberalism. Now that the party has had its' chance at controlling all three branches of government it has instead used the opportunity to push for greater government power and is destroying the American people. Dr. Roberts probably feels that he has wasted his life.</p>
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		<title>By: Tobias</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tobias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, G.S.  I have frequently been edified by your posts.

&quot;Like the leaders of Oceania, ideologues keep in power by continually finding some demonized Other against whom to direct the aggressive political energies of the people.&quot;

My own opinion is that Dr. Roberts long ago slid into irrational ideology.  George Bush is his &quot;Other.&quot;  I also fear that some paleoconservatives have latched onto neocons as the &quot;Other,&quot; to the point where &quot;being most opposed to neoconservatism&quot; is the summum bonum of the paleconservative movement.  Just give me a good old-fashioned &quot;conservative,&quot; not one with a chip on his shoulder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, G.S.  I have frequently been edified by your posts.</p>
<p>"Like the leaders of Oceania, ideologues keep in power by continually finding some demonized Other against whom to direct the aggressive political energies of the people."</p>
<p>My own opinion is that Dr. Roberts long ago slid into irrational ideology.  George Bush is his "Other."  I also fear that some paleoconservatives have latched onto neocons as the "Other," to the point where "being most opposed to neoconservatism" is the summum bonum of the paleconservative movement.  Just give me a good old-fashioned "conservative," not one with a chip on his shoulder.</p>
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		<title>By: G.S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tobias,

While at first I&#039;ve found some of your posts irritating, thanks to James I see where you&#039;re coming from.  

I&#039;d only note that you may have been misled if you&#039;re under the impression that paleoconservatives in general view Putin with the adoration of a wistful schoolgirl with a crush on the football team captain.  

Some do, I suppose -- but just as many do not. 

IMO, the man is no better nor worse than a ruthless nationalist gangster who lives on the other side of the world, and whose doings are only marginally my business, at best.  

As a ruthless nationalist gangster far, far away, Putin is considerably less of a headache for me than the self-righteous abstractionist ideologues who are despoiling and ruining my own homeland.  Like the leaders of Oceania, ideologues keep in power by continually finding some demonized Other against whom to direct the aggressive political energies of the people.

Consider Mr. Roberts&#039; closing sentences.... of course, I don&#039;t know about &quot;humanity&quot;.  

But I do know that the most dreadful enemy &amp; greatest threat to the American family farmer &amp; to small-town communities &amp; sure&#039;s hell isn&#039;t Putin, any more than it was Hussein.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tobias,</p>
<p>While at first I've found some of your posts irritating, thanks to James I see where you're coming from.  </p>
<p>I'd only note that you may have been misled if you're under the impression that paleoconservatives in general view Putin with the adoration of a wistful schoolgirl with a crush on the football team captain.  </p>
<p>Some do, I suppose -- but just as many do not. </p>
<p>IMO, the man is no better nor worse than a ruthless nationalist gangster who lives on the other side of the world, and whose doings are only marginally my business, at best.  </p>
<p>As a ruthless nationalist gangster far, far away, Putin is considerably less of a headache for me than the self-righteous abstractionist ideologues who are despoiling and ruining my own homeland.  Like the leaders of Oceania, ideologues keep in power by continually finding some demonized Other against whom to direct the aggressive political energies of the people.</p>
<p>Consider Mr. Roberts' closing sentences.... of course, I don't know about "humanity".  </p>
<p>But I do know that the most dreadful enemy &amp; greatest threat to the American family farmer &amp; to small-town communities &amp; sure's hell isn't Putin, any more than it was Hussein.</p>
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		<title>By: Daily Reading List. &#124; The Unspun Zone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daily Reading List. &#124; The Unspun Zone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] There May Be Mushroom Clouds in Our Future by Paul Craig Roberts. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 21:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@28Tobias

Maybe you should research how communism actually came to Russian how it was an invasion rather than a revolution.

Communism was not Russian. It was financed and organised abroad mainly in New York and preceding the “revolution”  there was a western backed campaign in media and government circles against the Czar.
When Bolsheviks were killing millions of Russian’s where was the international criticism like that levelled at the Czar. 

The KGB was not created by an ethnic Russians, the same can be said of other Soviet apparatus like the Gulags.

Hers a list of how un-Russian early communism was and how its mass murderers were not Russian. http://www.russians.org/communist.html

The whole Soviet system would not have been able to run without high interest loans from the Federal Reserve in the US including Stalin’s 5 year plan industrial project.
One of its shareholders Jacob Schiff was the main financier of the “revolution” in the first place. 

Is Kosovo a &quot;liberal&quot; democracy?

You don’t have any evidence that it was a cover story. 

There is evidence that that was his job, even his critics don’t dispute this fact.

What about Putin’s KGB critics who affiliated with western think tanks who moved over to the US after the fall of communism are they evil to? 

The Bin Laden family have been financing terrorism worldwide since 89 in Bosnia and I&#039;m not talking about Osama.
Abdullahs NGO the Benevolence Fund helped finance the 9/11 stay in the US.
A document was found in 2002 called the golden chain letter were terrorist themselves listed there major financial contributors which include Omar and Abdullah Bin Laden. Abdullah is a major shareholder in the Carlyle Group along with George Bush Sr and George Soro’s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@28Tobias</p>
<p>Maybe you should research how communism actually came to Russian how it was an invasion rather than a revolution.</p>
<p>Communism was not Russian. It was financed and organised abroad mainly in New York and preceding the “revolution”  there was a western backed campaign in media and government circles against the Czar.<br />
When Bolsheviks were killing millions of Russian’s where was the international criticism like that levelled at the Czar. </p>
<p>The KGB was not created by an ethnic Russians, the same can be said of other Soviet apparatus like the Gulags.</p>
<p>Hers a list of how un-Russian early communism was and how its mass murderers were not Russian. <a href="http://www.russians.org/communist.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.russians.org/communist.html</a></p>
<p>The whole Soviet system would not have been able to run without high interest loans from the Federal Reserve in the US including Stalin’s 5 year plan industrial project.<br />
One of its shareholders Jacob Schiff was the main financier of the “revolution” in the first place. </p>
<p>Is Kosovo a "liberal" democracy?</p>
<p>You don’t have any evidence that it was a cover story. </p>
<p>There is evidence that that was his job, even his critics don’t dispute this fact.</p>
<p>What about Putin’s KGB critics who affiliated with western think tanks who moved over to the US after the fall of communism are they evil to? </p>
<p>The Bin Laden family have been financing terrorism worldwide since 89 in Bosnia and I'm not talking about Osama.<br />
Abdullahs NGO the Benevolence Fund helped finance the 9/11 stay in the US.<br />
A document was found in 2002 called the golden chain letter were terrorist themselves listed there major financial contributors which include Omar and Abdullah Bin Laden. Abdullah is a major shareholder in the Carlyle Group along with George Bush Sr and George Soro’s.</p>
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		<title>By: Tobias</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tobias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 20:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James:  I highly recommend that when you write you proofread for 1) run-on sentences, 2) misspellings, and 3) grammatical errors.  They lower my opinion of you and tempt me to reply with derision.  If English is your sole and native tongue, please treat it with respect, even on a blog.  

I never said that the revisionists should be in jail.  I asked you what *your* position was.  If you care so much for their cause, you should at least know how to spell their names.  

It is absolutely fatuous to take a KGB cover story at face value.  Sixty years have passed since the Venona transcriptions were made, and only now do we know about them.  Yet somehow you think that we would have access to all the necessary information on a KGB officer who *supposedly* quit some 14-odd years ago.  I do not need *any* evidence in order to *suspect* Putin&#039;s story; we already know that the KGB was a massively evil bureaucratic machine designed to prop up a monstrosity called the USSR.  Do I really need &quot;hard evidence&quot; to *doubt* the testimony of a KGB agent?  The organization was formally and officially evil.  On the other hand, there is nothing inherently wrong with trading with foreigners, even infidels and relatives of a criminal, such as the Bin Laden family.  The two cases are not similar.  

My major point was that we should not merely take a KGB officer&#039;s word that he was merely a student of the West German economy.  Archduke Otto&#039;s testimony (why did you put his name in scare quotes?) is merely anecdotal evidence, which you can take or leave.  

Soros vs. the KGB.  Soros vs. the KGB.  Which would you prefer -- a country with a liberal democratic government, or life in a Siberian GULAG?  Or maybe a bullet in the back of the head in the basement of the Lubyanka?  Or maybe assassination at the hands of nationalist/socialist rebels in some Third World country where the KGB funded the revolutionaries?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James:  I highly recommend that when you write you proofread for 1) run-on sentences, 2) misspellings, and 3) grammatical errors.  They lower my opinion of you and tempt me to reply with derision.  If English is your sole and native tongue, please treat it with respect, even on a blog.  </p>
<p>I never said that the revisionists should be in jail.  I asked you what *your* position was.  If you care so much for their cause, you should at least know how to spell their names.  </p>
<p>It is absolutely fatuous to take a KGB cover story at face value.  Sixty years have passed since the Venona transcriptions were made, and only now do we know about them.  Yet somehow you think that we would have access to all the necessary information on a KGB officer who *supposedly* quit some 14-odd years ago.  I do not need *any* evidence in order to *suspect* Putin's story; we already know that the KGB was a massively evil bureaucratic machine designed to prop up a monstrosity called the USSR.  Do I really need "hard evidence" to *doubt* the testimony of a KGB agent?  The organization was formally and officially evil.  On the other hand, there is nothing inherently wrong with trading with foreigners, even infidels and relatives of a criminal, such as the Bin Laden family.  The two cases are not similar.  </p>
<p>My major point was that we should not merely take a KGB officer's word that he was merely a student of the West German economy.  Archduke Otto's testimony (why did you put his name in scare quotes?) is merely anecdotal evidence, which you can take or leave.  </p>
<p>Soros vs. the KGB.  Soros vs. the KGB.  Which would you prefer -- a country with a liberal democratic government, or life in a Siberian GULAG?  Or maybe a bullet in the back of the head in the basement of the Lubyanka?  Or maybe assassination at the hands of nationalist/socialist rebels in some Third World country where the KGB funded the revolutionaries?</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 19:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@26Tobias

English is my first and only language.

Of course they should be released what danger these people pose, except challenging the official version of history. They have never incited hatred 

If his argument is wrong why don’t they debate his findings?

Israel has received billions of dollars from Germany since WW2 and was a major factor in support of the creation of Israel so there is definitely a political motive for keeping the official version of history alive.
 
So you believe Germar Rudolph should be locked up in a maximum security prison because he had intellectual questions about the Holocaust and decided to do a scientific report on it and published his work for discussion.

Ernst Zundel, a Canadian citizen was deported to Germany for publishing his writing on the Holocaust on his website before that he was held in solitary confinement for years.
Even his lawyer was arrested and sentenced to jail.

“His” I was referring to his concept of western countries constituting a democratic force “their sponsorship” is the western countries support of the KLA a group the US state department themselves listed as a terrorist group in 98.
Documents shown during the Milosevic trail proved that the KLA and NATO were working together.

“James, this is fatuous. He is a *recent* KGB agent, and since then he has become President and Prime Minister of Russia. Yes, I’m really sure that they would have let sensitive information about him be declassified . . .”

He left the KGB in 93/94. I think you are the one being fatuous.
There are hundreds of anti-Putin books and the deposed oligarchs and NED (a CIA front) has spent millions of dollars on anti-Putin projects like running websites, research grants and they have not found anything.
You need evidence to back up your claim. 
Can “Otto’s” eyewitnesses stories be confirmed as true with facts?
Can Otto’s witnesses confirm who, where and when with those involved?
There would have been some evidence, guilt by association is not good enougth we need facts to his confirm this story is true.
By that logic you could say George Bush lit 9/11 happen as he has business relations with the Bin Laden family and he’s the president so it would be easy for him to cover up the fact.

“The difference between Soros and the KGB is that the KGB can destroy its paper trail and murder its opponents.”

George Soros help promote and lobby for the KLA a group linked to international terrorism and organised crime ran anti-Milosevic media in the Balkans. 
Through various NGO’s and his billions of dollars he is able to influence the internal politics of countries like Serbia, Ukraine, Georgia and Russia in the 90’s.
He has links to western intelligence and built an international network of NGO’s, media, civil rights fronts. He is even the main financier of Human Rights Watch.
He has more influence then the KGB ever had.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@26Tobias</p>
<p>English is my first and only language.</p>
<p>Of course they should be released what danger these people pose, except challenging the official version of history. They have never incited hatred </p>
<p>If his argument is wrong why don’t they debate his findings?</p>
<p>Israel has received billions of dollars from Germany since WW2 and was a major factor in support of the creation of Israel so there is definitely a political motive for keeping the official version of history alive.</p>
<p>So you believe Germar Rudolph should be locked up in a maximum security prison because he had intellectual questions about the Holocaust and decided to do a scientific report on it and published his work for discussion.</p>
<p>Ernst Zundel, a Canadian citizen was deported to Germany for publishing his writing on the Holocaust on his website before that he was held in solitary confinement for years.<br />
Even his lawyer was arrested and sentenced to jail.</p>
<p>“His” I was referring to his concept of western countries constituting a democratic force “their sponsorship” is the western countries support of the KLA a group the US state department themselves listed as a terrorist group in 98.<br />
Documents shown during the Milosevic trail proved that the KLA and NATO were working together.</p>
<p>“James, this is fatuous. He is a *recent* KGB agent, and since then he has become President and Prime Minister of Russia. Yes, I’m really sure that they would have let sensitive information about him be declassified . . .”</p>
<p>He left the KGB in 93/94. I think you are the one being fatuous.<br />
There are hundreds of anti-Putin books and the deposed oligarchs and NED (a CIA front) has spent millions of dollars on anti-Putin projects like running websites, research grants and they have not found anything.<br />
You need evidence to back up your claim.<br />
Can “Otto’s” eyewitnesses stories be confirmed as true with facts?<br />
Can Otto’s witnesses confirm who, where and when with those involved?<br />
There would have been some evidence, guilt by association is not good enougth we need facts to his confirm this story is true.<br />
By that logic you could say George Bush lit 9/11 happen as he has business relations with the Bin Laden family and he’s the president so it would be easy for him to cover up the fact.</p>
<p>“The difference between Soros and the KGB is that the KGB can destroy its paper trail and murder its opponents.”</p>
<p>George Soros help promote and lobby for the KLA a group linked to international terrorism and organised crime ran anti-Milosevic media in the Balkans.<br />
Through various NGO’s and his billions of dollars he is able to influence the internal politics of countries like Serbia, Ukraine, Georgia and Russia in the 90’s.<br />
He has links to western intelligence and built an international network of NGO’s, media, civil rights fronts. He is even the main financier of Human Rights Watch.<br />
He has more influence then the KGB ever had.</p>
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		<title>By: Tobias</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tobias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Is there any documented evidence of this? After the fall of communism in East Germany hundreds of files were available if his job was more than he said it was there would be documented evidence.&quot;

James, this is fatuous.  He is a *recent* KGB agent, and since then he has become President and Prime Minister of Russia.  Yes, I&#039;m really sure that they would have let sensitive information about him be declassified . . . 

&quot;His claims of “democratic force” falls short with there sponsership and support of Kosovo an Islamo-mafia state run by terrorists.
And what about Gamar Rudolph, Ernst Zundel, etc.&quot;

Some of your writing is not entirely clear.  &quot;His&quot; -- are you referring to Archduke Otto?  &quot;There&quot; is misspelled, and to whom does it refer?  You have gone from the singular &quot;his&quot; to the plural &quot;their.&quot;  &quot;Sponsorship&quot; is misspelled.  Wait, who is supporting Kosovo?  Otto, or the &quot;democratic force&quot;?  The revisionist&#039;s name is &quot;Germar&quot; Rudolph, not Gamar Rudolph.  Are you saying that these revisionists should be released, or that democratic countries do not engage in censorship?  I get the impression that English is not your first language.  

The difference between Soros and the KGB is that the KGB can destroy its paper trail and murder its opponents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Is there any documented evidence of this? After the fall of communism in East Germany hundreds of files were available if his job was more than he said it was there would be documented evidence."</p>
<p>James, this is fatuous.  He is a *recent* KGB agent, and since then he has become President and Prime Minister of Russia.  Yes, I'm really sure that they would have let sensitive information about him be declassified . . . </p>
<p>"His claims of “democratic force” falls short with there sponsership and support of Kosovo an Islamo-mafia state run by terrorists.<br />
And what about Gamar Rudolph, Ernst Zundel, etc."</p>
<p>Some of your writing is not entirely clear.  "His" -- are you referring to Archduke Otto?  "There" is misspelled, and to whom does it refer?  You have gone from the singular "his" to the plural "their."  "Sponsorship" is misspelled.  Wait, who is supporting Kosovo?  Otto, or the "democratic force"?  The revisionist's name is "Germar" Rudolph, not Gamar Rudolph.  Are you saying that these revisionists should be released, or that democratic countries do not engage in censorship?  I get the impression that English is not your first language.  </p>
<p>The difference between Soros and the KGB is that the KGB can destroy its paper trail and murder its opponents.</p>
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