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		<title>By: Akira</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/08/20/musharraf-out-of-tricks/comment-page-1/#comment-178087</link>
		<dc:creator>Akira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I&#039;ve discovered the root of Pakistan&#039;s problems!

PAKISTANI CONSTITUTION

Whereas sovereignty over the entire Universe belongs to Almighty Allah alone, and the authority to be exercised by the people of Pakistan within the limits prescribed by Him is a sacred trust;

And whereas it is the will of the people of Pakistan to establish an order; Wherein the State shall exercise its powers and authority through the chosen representatives of the people; Wherein the principles of democracy, freedom, equality, tolerance and social justice, as enunciated by Islam, shall be fully observed; Wherein the Muslims shall be enabled to order their lives in the individual and collective spheres in accordance with the teachings and requirements of Islam as set out in the Holy Quran and Sunnah; ... we, the people of Pakistan, Cognisant of our responsibility before Almighty Allah and men; Faithful to the declaration made by the Founder of Pakistan, Quaid-i-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah, that Pakistan would be a democratic State based on Islamic principles of social justice; ... Do hereby, through our representatives in the National Assembly, adopt, enact and give to ourselves, this Constitution.

2. Islam to be State religion: Islam shall be the State religion of Pakistan.

31.Islamic way of life: (1) Steps shall be taken to enable the Muslims of Pakistan, individually and collectively, to order their lives in accordance with the fundamental principles and basic concepts of Islam and to provide facilities whereby they may be enabled to understand the meaning of life according to the Holy Quran and Sunnah. (2) The state shall endeavour, as respects the Muslims of Pakistan, : (a) to make the teaching of the Holy Quran and Islamiat compulsory, to encourage and facilitate the learning of Arabic language and to secure correct and exact printing and publishing of the Holy Quran; (b) to promote unity and the observance of the Islamic moral standards; and (c) to secure the proper organisation of zakat, ushr, auqaf and mosques. 

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Now, having identified the source of the problem, it is clear that there are two very simple solutions.

(a) The constitution could be re-written, removing all references to the Koran and all of the other evil Mohammadan nonsense; which would make Pakistan culturally Indian again, and would mean that they could just get back together again, like in the good old days.

or 

(b) The Koran could be re-written to be more like the New Testament. In fact, it would be easier just to replace the Koranic text with the Christian text.

As soon as I can figure out who&#039;s in charge in Islamabad [that name will have to be changed too, of course], I intend to write to them with my self-evident solution. I expect a positive response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I've discovered the root of Pakistan's problems!</p>
<p>PAKISTANI CONSTITUTION</p>
<p>Whereas sovereignty over the entire Universe belongs to Almighty Allah alone, and the authority to be exercised by the people of Pakistan within the limits prescribed by Him is a sacred trust;</p>
<p>And whereas it is the will of the people of Pakistan to establish an order; Wherein the State shall exercise its powers and authority through the chosen representatives of the people; Wherein the principles of democracy, freedom, equality, tolerance and social justice, as enunciated by Islam, shall be fully observed; Wherein the Muslims shall be enabled to order their lives in the individual and collective spheres in accordance with the teachings and requirements of Islam as set out in the Holy Quran and Sunnah; ... we, the people of Pakistan, Cognisant of our responsibility before Almighty Allah and men; Faithful to the declaration made by the Founder of Pakistan, Quaid-i-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah, that Pakistan would be a democratic State based on Islamic principles of social justice; ... Do hereby, through our representatives in the National Assembly, adopt, enact and give to ourselves, this Constitution.</p>
<p>2. Islam to be State religion: Islam shall be the State religion of Pakistan.</p>
<p>31.Islamic way of life: (1) Steps shall be taken to enable the Muslims of Pakistan, individually and collectively, to order their lives in accordance with the fundamental principles and basic concepts of Islam and to provide facilities whereby they may be enabled to understand the meaning of life according to the Holy Quran and Sunnah. (2) The state shall endeavour, as respects the Muslims of Pakistan, : (a) to make the teaching of the Holy Quran and Islamiat compulsory, to encourage and facilitate the learning of Arabic language and to secure correct and exact printing and publishing of the Holy Quran; (b) to promote unity and the observance of the Islamic moral standards; and (c) to secure the proper organisation of zakat, ushr, auqaf and mosques. </p>
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<p>Now, having identified the source of the problem, it is clear that there are two very simple solutions.</p>
<p>(a) The constitution could be re-written, removing all references to the Koran and all of the other evil Mohammadan nonsense; which would make Pakistan culturally Indian again, and would mean that they could just get back together again, like in the good old days.</p>
<p>or </p>
<p>(b) The Koran could be re-written to be more like the New Testament. In fact, it would be easier just to replace the Koranic text with the Christian text.</p>
<p>As soon as I can figure out who's in charge in Islamabad [that name will have to be changed too, of course], I intend to write to them with my self-evident solution. I expect a positive response.</p>
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		<title>By: Akira</title>
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		<dc:creator>Akira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SCOTT

Re: &quot;The Musharraf Government was excellent.&quot;

Does that mean that you would have helped them fight against the US?

QUOTE:

In a memoir released on Monday, President Pervez Musharraf recounted how he decided it would have been suicidal to confront a U.S. attack after being threatened by Washington a day after al Qaeda’s strikes on September 11, 2001.
...
Elaborating on how he decided to take a foreign policy U-turn by dumping support for the Taliban, Musharraf described how he first weighed the option of fighting the United States.

&quot;I war-gamed the United States as an adversary,&quot; he wrote, saying he assessed whether Pakistan could withstand the onslaught.

&quot;The answer was no, we could not, on three counts.&quot;

Pakistan’s military would have been wiped out, its economy couldn’t be sustained, and the nation lacked the unity needed for such a confrontation, Musharraf wrote.

Furthermore, Musharraf was worried that if Pakistan did not accede to Washington’s demands, the United States would take up an Indian offer to provide bases.
...
He also expected the United States would seek to destroy Pakistan’s newly developed nuclear weapons. And he feared the infrastructure built since Pakistan’s formation in 1947 would be decimated.

Finally, Musharraf said he had to answer whether it was worth Pakistan destroying itself for the sake of the Taliban, though Pakistan had supported the Islamist militia’s government.

&quot;The answer was a resounding no,&quot; Musharraf concluded.

UNQUOTE

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/musharraf-claims-he-considered-fighting-us-after-911

Is that why you admire Musharraf? Because even though he hates America and all of the non-Muslim world with a passion, and even though he&#039;d love to see Washington nuked, he was sensible enough to pretend to support his enemy in order to rip off American tax-payers? Yes, very admirable.
 
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MATT,

Re: &quot;The source of the problems in Pakistan is that...Saudi Arabia required Pakistan to adopt the Sharia Law. ... Saudi Arabia...also required the same of the Sudan.&quot;

That&#039;s strange. 

I wonder what those three countries have in common.

Saudi Arabia is Arab.

Sudan is mostly black African, with Christians kept out of power.

And Pakistan is mostly Indo-European.

I can&#039;t figure out what possible connection there could be between Saudi Arabia, and Sudan, and Pakistan [and Kosovo, and Iraq, and Iran, and Afghanistan, and al-Qaeda, and the Taliban, and Hezzbollah, and Hamas, and Syria, and Idi Amin, and ...]. It&#039;s a mystery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SCOTT</p>
<p>Re: "The Musharraf Government was excellent."</p>
<p>Does that mean that you would have helped them fight against the US?</p>
<p>QUOTE:</p>
<p>In a memoir released on Monday, President Pervez Musharraf recounted how he decided it would have been suicidal to confront a U.S. attack after being threatened by Washington a day after al Qaeda’s strikes on September 11, 2001.<br />
...<br />
Elaborating on how he decided to take a foreign policy U-turn by dumping support for the Taliban, Musharraf described how he first weighed the option of fighting the United States.</p>
<p>"I war-gamed the United States as an adversary," he wrote, saying he assessed whether Pakistan could withstand the onslaught.</p>
<p>"The answer was no, we could not, on three counts."</p>
<p>Pakistan’s military would have been wiped out, its economy couldn’t be sustained, and the nation lacked the unity needed for such a confrontation, Musharraf wrote.</p>
<p>Furthermore, Musharraf was worried that if Pakistan did not accede to Washington’s demands, the United States would take up an Indian offer to provide bases.<br />
...<br />
He also expected the United States would seek to destroy Pakistan’s newly developed nuclear weapons. And he feared the infrastructure built since Pakistan’s formation in 1947 would be decimated.</p>
<p>Finally, Musharraf said he had to answer whether it was worth Pakistan destroying itself for the sake of the Taliban, though Pakistan had supported the Islamist militia’s government.</p>
<p>"The answer was a resounding no," Musharraf concluded.</p>
<p>UNQUOTE</p>
<p><a href="http://sweetness-light.com/archive/musharraf-claims-he-considered-fighting-us-after-911" rel="nofollow">http://sweetness-light.com/archive/musharraf-claims-he-considered-fighting-us-after-911</a></p>
<p>Is that why you admire Musharraf? Because even though he hates America and all of the non-Muslim world with a passion, and even though he'd love to see Washington nuked, he was sensible enough to pretend to support his enemy in order to rip off American tax-payers? Yes, very admirable.</p>
<p>+ + +</p>
<p>MATT,</p>
<p>Re: "The source of the problems in Pakistan is that...Saudi Arabia required Pakistan to adopt the Sharia Law. ... Saudi Arabia...also required the same of the Sudan."</p>
<p>That's strange. </p>
<p>I wonder what those three countries have in common.</p>
<p>Saudi Arabia is Arab.</p>
<p>Sudan is mostly black African, with Christians kept out of power.</p>
<p>And Pakistan is mostly Indo-European.</p>
<p>I can't figure out what possible connection there could be between Saudi Arabia, and Sudan, and Pakistan [and Kosovo, and Iraq, and Iran, and Afghanistan, and al-Qaeda, and the Taliban, and Hezzbollah, and Hamas, and Syria, and Idi Amin, and ...]. It's a mystery.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/08/20/musharraf-out-of-tricks/comment-page-1/#comment-178012</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am afraid you are totally wrong on this one. I spent a lot of time working with the Musharraf Government on privatizations. The Musharraf Government was excellent. Shaukat Aziz, Salman Shah and others were excellent. The US Gov&#039;t sold our Musharraf in the same way they sold out South Vietnamese and Cambodian leaders. The Chief Justice Musharraf sacked was a total disgrace. His ruling on the Pakistan Steel Privatization which triggered all the problems defies any logic. The judge effectively shut down the governments economic reforms as well as their attempts to enforce security in the frontier provinces. The US had been orcestrating Bhutto&#039;s return for years while at the same time asking Mussaraf 1)to crack down in a region of Pakistan that has always been difficult and that was rendered ungovernable due to the war in Afghanistan and 2) telling him he couldn&#039;t sack this horrible judge. The US should shoulder a lot of the responsibility for the disaster that is current Pakistan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am afraid you are totally wrong on this one. I spent a lot of time working with the Musharraf Government on privatizations. The Musharraf Government was excellent. Shaukat Aziz, Salman Shah and others were excellent. The US Gov't sold our Musharraf in the same way they sold out South Vietnamese and Cambodian leaders. The Chief Justice Musharraf sacked was a total disgrace. His ruling on the Pakistan Steel Privatization which triggered all the problems defies any logic. The judge effectively shut down the governments economic reforms as well as their attempts to enforce security in the frontier provinces. The US had been orcestrating Bhutto's return for years while at the same time asking Mussaraf 1)to crack down in a region of Pakistan that has always been difficult and that was rendered ungovernable due to the war in Afghanistan and 2) telling him he couldn't sack this horrible judge. The US should shoulder a lot of the responsibility for the disaster that is current Pakistan</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The source of the problems in Pakistan is that, in return for funding a water project, Saudi Arabia required Pakistan to adopt the Sharia Law.  This happened thirty or forty years ago. Also, Saudi Arabia, which gave sanctuary to the bloody Idi Amin, also required the same of the Sudan in return for aid.  Saudi Arabia is the head of the snake and has insinuated itself into the body politic of the USA &amp; UK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The source of the problems in Pakistan is that, in return for funding a water project, Saudi Arabia required Pakistan to adopt the Sharia Law.  This happened thirty or forty years ago. Also, Saudi Arabia, which gave sanctuary to the bloody Idi Amin, also required the same of the Sudan in return for aid.  Saudi Arabia is the head of the snake and has insinuated itself into the body politic of the USA &amp; UK.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Wilder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Wilder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 02:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to be too flippant, but I think this is a pretty good commentary on things in SW Asia

http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/45030-the-onion-volatile-india-pakistan-standoff-in-11-680th-day</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to be too flippant, but I think this is a pretty good commentary on things in SW Asia</p>
<p><a href="http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/45030-the-onion-volatile-india-pakistan-standoff-in-11-680th-day" rel="nofollow">http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/45030-the-onion-volatile-india-pakistan-standoff-in-11-680th-day</a></p>
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		<title>By: DaveP</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaveP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 00:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first measure one takes when in a state of war, is to secure the Home front. 

The USA and the UK, two countries that are in the van of the war - in Iraq and Afghanistan, are also the two countries that have not just failed to secure the Home front, but have actively encouraged Muslim immigration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first measure one takes when in a state of war, is to secure the Home front. </p>
<p>The USA and the UK, two countries that are in the van of the war - in Iraq and Afghanistan, are also the two countries that have not just failed to secure the Home front, but have actively encouraged Muslim immigration.</p>
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		<title>By: Trifkovic</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/08/20/musharraf-out-of-tricks/comment-page-1/#comment-177649</link>
		<dc:creator>Trifkovic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The usual rhetoric&quot; will persist regardless of reality; ditto with Turkey, which is definitely &quot;lost to the West&quot; and whose leaders are systematically dismantling Kemal&#039;s legacy. Changing the rhetoric entails recognizing one&#039;s past mistakes. Our rulers, like the KGB/Cheka before them, don&#039;t make mistakes...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"The usual rhetoric" will persist regardless of reality; ditto with Turkey, which is definitely "lost to the West" and whose leaders are systematically dismantling Kemal's legacy. Changing the rhetoric entails recognizing one's past mistakes. Our rulers, like the KGB/Cheka before them, don't make mistakes...</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Wilder</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/08/20/musharraf-out-of-tricks/comment-page-1/#comment-177641</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Wilder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More prescience from Dr. Trifkovic?

&quot;Blast hits Pakistan Arms Factory--60 killed&quot;

http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/2/hi/south_asia/7574267.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More prescience from Dr. Trifkovic?</p>
<p>"Blast hits Pakistan Arms Factory--60 killed"</p>
<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/2/hi/south_asia/7574267.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/2/hi/south_asia/7574267.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: M Koprivica</title>
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		<dc:creator>M Koprivica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very insightful and informative column Dr. Trifkovic. US and western power&#039;s thinking and policies on foregin relations seems to be higly flawed and unraveling ever more recently. Right on about Pakistan, as I have always thought and believed the antagonists in the so called &#039;War on Terror&#039; are not defined, one cannot succesfully fight and win against an undefined enemy based on a vague, cliched title. And the scope of this &#039;war&#039; is really an afront on our liberties instead, this falls in line with the &#039;War on Poverty&#039; &#039;War on Drugs&#039;.

Leaders in the west are not delusional, they cannot confront Pakistan w/o an all out ground war, just like we see happening with the Russia/Georgia conflict.

Do you foresee any confrontations with Pakistan and the tribal powers by the West or the usual rhetoric, Dr. Trifkovic?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very insightful and informative column Dr. Trifkovic. US and western power's thinking and policies on foregin relations seems to be higly flawed and unraveling ever more recently. Right on about Pakistan, as I have always thought and believed the antagonists in the so called 'War on Terror' are not defined, one cannot succesfully fight and win against an undefined enemy based on a vague, cliched title. And the scope of this 'war' is really an afront on our liberties instead, this falls in line with the 'War on Poverty' 'War on Drugs'.</p>
<p>Leaders in the west are not delusional, they cannot confront Pakistan w/o an all out ground war, just like we see happening with the Russia/Georgia conflict.</p>
<p>Do you foresee any confrontations with Pakistan and the tribal powers by the West or the usual rhetoric, Dr. Trifkovic?</p>
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		<title>By: Homophobic Horse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Homophobic Horse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So are leaders in the west delusional when they try to accomodate islamic beliefs in western society?&quot;

Neoconservatism 101 - Freedom is everyone&#039;s human right, including religious freedom - all religions express the &quot;universal&quot; truths of brotherhood. Or so the stupid, culturally illiterate, hubristic, arrogant, semi-communist NEOCONS like to believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"So are leaders in the west delusional when they try to accomodate islamic beliefs in western society?"</p>
<p>Neoconservatism 101 - Freedom is everyone's human right, including religious freedom - all religions express the "universal" truths of brotherhood. Or so the stupid, culturally illiterate, hubristic, arrogant, semi-communist NEOCONS like to believe.</p>
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