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		<title>By: The European Union, A Prison of Nations &#171; Dobro dosli na Internet prezentaciju srpske dijaspore</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bill Wilder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Wilder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Irish reject Lisbon Treaty

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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding Greece, Dr. Trifkovic is correct concerning the dropping natality, typical of all of Europe minus the trash statelet called Kosovo (which Greece hopefully will never recognize).  This is not due to the EU, so much as urbanization and the exploding cost of living anywhere.  My wife and I are typical, we are 39 and 38 and have one child, but would like more.  I can tell you this much, though, we did not want to have a child in a country so child-unfriendly as Greece.  Given the complete lack of organization in anything built until recently, there are no sidewalks, no pedestrian zones, no state healthcare system, in spite of a considerable rise in income, such that Greece&#039;s per capita income now approaches Germany&#039;s.  That, dear readers, is the legacy of corruption only now being addressed.  The EU has only helped in this, and other regards.  I am pleased Dr. Trifkovic holidays in my country, and either in Athens or the Salonika so beloved of Serbs, you step into modern airports, and drive on autobahns every bit as good as those of Germany, because Brusssels financed them.  This is real.

Further, I take exception to the notion that Greece is only nominally Christian.  When we served in the army, we said the Lord&#039;s Prayer before every meal, attended Church constantly, and (in utter defiance of European law), my Chicago-born son to receive Greek nationality required an Orthodox baptismal certificate.  As for Albanians in Greece, a good proportion are being baptised as Orthodox Christians, and will be Hellenized quickly.  

Speaking of Generals, Patakos can burn in Hell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding Greece, Dr. Trifkovic is correct concerning the dropping natality, typical of all of Europe minus the trash statelet called Kosovo (which Greece hopefully will never recognize).  This is not due to the EU, so much as urbanization and the exploding cost of living anywhere.  My wife and I are typical, we are 39 and 38 and have one child, but would like more.  I can tell you this much, though, we did not want to have a child in a country so child-unfriendly as Greece.  Given the complete lack of organization in anything built until recently, there are no sidewalks, no pedestrian zones, no state healthcare system, in spite of a considerable rise in income, such that Greece's per capita income now approaches Germany's.  That, dear readers, is the legacy of corruption only now being addressed.  The EU has only helped in this, and other regards.  I am pleased Dr. Trifkovic holidays in my country, and either in Athens or the Salonika so beloved of Serbs, you step into modern airports, and drive on autobahns every bit as good as those of Germany, because Brusssels financed them.  This is real.</p>
<p>Further, I take exception to the notion that Greece is only nominally Christian.  When we served in the army, we said the Lord's Prayer before every meal, attended Church constantly, and (in utter defiance of European law), my Chicago-born son to receive Greek nationality required an Orthodox baptismal certificate.  As for Albanians in Greece, a good proportion are being baptised as Orthodox Christians, and will be Hellenized quickly.  </p>
<p>Speaking of Generals, Patakos can burn in Hell.</p>
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		<title>By: Heuy Long (The Kingfish) words come true in Portugal &#171; Dobro dosli na Internet prezentaciju srpske dijaspore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heuy Long (The Kingfish) words come true in Portugal &#171; Dobro dosli na Internet prezentaciju srpske dijaspore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Tomislav Milosevic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tomislav Milosevic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>........and still no Greek misses Gen. Patakos.
 
&quot;One should be careful what one wishes, it might come true&quot; never had stronger meaning in all the perverse ways than ever before in History............or we just payed too little attention.

Sorry guys, I am trying to be as brief as possible. Any thought I write here would take a page or two to clarify opinion. I find that indecent on such a forum.


Let me repeat though:
Lisbon thing is not a surprise. It was brewing for a very long time and many proudly helped it spread the roots.

Those who laughed at me all my life whenever I tried to discuss dangers of false progress laced with badly hidden agendas, pulling humanity away from traditions, morality, truth, justice..........well, I shall let them find the remedy for all this.

Second half of twentieth century I saw as Age of Mediocrity where one idiot recognized the other, followed by Age of Superficiality with shorter and yet shorter attention span. Presently we live Age of Restrictions which is, logically becoming the Age of Oppression. Please add a lot of sex and violence to all this.

Puzzled?
Angry?
I overcame these sentiments long, long time ago.

It was tragedy while it was in its making. It is a great comedy as it arrived.

Pity for the forests................</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>........and still no Greek misses Gen. Patakos.</p>
<p>"One should be careful what one wishes, it might come true" never had stronger meaning in all the perverse ways than ever before in History............or we just payed too little attention.</p>
<p>Sorry guys, I am trying to be as brief as possible. Any thought I write here would take a page or two to clarify opinion. I find that indecent on such a forum.</p>
<p>Let me repeat though:<br />
Lisbon thing is not a surprise. It was brewing for a very long time and many proudly helped it spread the roots.</p>
<p>Those who laughed at me all my life whenever I tried to discuss dangers of false progress laced with badly hidden agendas, pulling humanity away from traditions, morality, truth, justice..........well, I shall let them find the remedy for all this.</p>
<p>Second half of twentieth century I saw as Age of Mediocrity where one idiot recognized the other, followed by Age of Superficiality with shorter and yet shorter attention span. Presently we live Age of Restrictions which is, logically becoming the Age of Oppression. Please add a lot of sex and violence to all this.</p>
<p>Puzzled?<br />
Angry?<br />
I overcame these sentiments long, long time ago.</p>
<p>It was tragedy while it was in its making. It is a great comedy as it arrived.</p>
<p>Pity for the forests................</p>
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		<title>By: Srdja Trifkovic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Srdja Trifkovic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greece, a bona fide member of the EU, is demographically morbund and on the fast track to extinction. Fertility rates per 1,000 inhabitants were a healthy 18.9 in 1960 and 16.5 in 1970. They have collapsed after the country joined the European Community (as it was then), to 9.5 in 1998 and to just above 8 now -- one-third of the simple replacement figure!

Greece had no immigrants, legal or otherwise, when she joined the EC. Today there are at last one million Albanians in the country -- nobody knows the exact figure -- and some half-million assorted non-European illegals. All of them are eminently unassmilable and overwhelmingly contemptuous of or else hostile to the Christian (well, just) host-society: Kurds, Somalis, Arab Muslims, etc. Altogether, aliens (legal and illegal, mostly Muslim) account for 15% of the population (more than one in seven), and a fifth of newborns.

Greece used to be one of the safest countries in the world before joining the EU. Today you need security cameras, bloodthirsty dogs and loaded guns to save your life in a lonely villa on a lonely island.

Curing corruption with the EU membership is like curing alcoholism -- part-disease, part-moral failing -- with the ingestion of richly sugared, HIV-laden bodily fluids.

The EU? Nein, danke!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greece, a bona fide member of the EU, is demographically morbund and on the fast track to extinction. Fertility rates per 1,000 inhabitants were a healthy 18.9 in 1960 and 16.5 in 1970. They have collapsed after the country joined the European Community (as it was then), to 9.5 in 1998 and to just above 8 now -- one-third of the simple replacement figure!</p>
<p>Greece had no immigrants, legal or otherwise, when she joined the EC. Today there are at last one million Albanians in the country -- nobody knows the exact figure -- and some half-million assorted non-European illegals. All of them are eminently unassmilable and overwhelmingly contemptuous of or else hostile to the Christian (well, just) host-society: Kurds, Somalis, Arab Muslims, etc. Altogether, aliens (legal and illegal, mostly Muslim) account for 15% of the population (more than one in seven), and a fifth of newborns.</p>
<p>Greece used to be one of the safest countries in the world before joining the EU. Today you need security cameras, bloodthirsty dogs and loaded guns to save your life in a lonely villa on a lonely island.</p>
<p>Curing corruption with the EU membership is like curing alcoholism -- part-disease, part-moral failing -- with the ingestion of richly sugared, HIV-laden bodily fluids.</p>
<p>The EU? Nein, danke!</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am both a US and an EU (in my case Greek) citizen, and I respectfully must disagree with Dr. Trifkovic&#039;s assessment of the EU.  I know well that the EU has given much to Greece, and slowly the civic level of Greeks (heretofore more Ottoman than European) has risen considerably, as has the standard of living.  I will welcome the day that our Serbian brethren take their rightful place in Europe (as does my Serbian wife), as have our Orthodox Bulgarian and Romanian neighbors.  The EU is far from perfect, and indeed certain aspects of sovereignty have been lost by each state.  However, I would submit that certain countries, such as Greece, Italy, and certainly Bulgaria or Serbia could use a little less sovereignty if it is in the form of corrupt politicians.  The only thing we need to preserve is our Orthodox Byzantine identity in the face of a homogenizing Europe.  That is as much up to each of us as to the independence of our states.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am both a US and an EU (in my case Greek) citizen, and I respectfully must disagree with Dr. Trifkovic's assessment of the EU.  I know well that the EU has given much to Greece, and slowly the civic level of Greeks (heretofore more Ottoman than European) has risen considerably, as has the standard of living.  I will welcome the day that our Serbian brethren take their rightful place in Europe (as does my Serbian wife), as have our Orthodox Bulgarian and Romanian neighbors.  The EU is far from perfect, and indeed certain aspects of sovereignty have been lost by each state.  However, I would submit that certain countries, such as Greece, Italy, and certainly Bulgaria or Serbia could use a little less sovereignty if it is in the form of corrupt politicians.  The only thing we need to preserve is our Orthodox Byzantine identity in the face of a homogenizing Europe.  That is as much up to each of us as to the independence of our states.</p>
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		<title>By: Iliya Pavlovich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iliya Pavlovich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Milosevic, it is precisely that road that the humanity does NOT need to take. 

We’ve seen the results of the Crusaders, the Spanish Inquisition, the 3rd Reich, the Stalinsit purges, the UDBA in Yugoslavia, the death of Allende, the Somosa case, the Noriega case, the Hussein case, why would anybody in his right mind go back to any of that? The world has taken a turn for the surreal with this Lisbon document. Nobody is against prosecuting criminals – but Dr. Trifkovic is addressing issues of speech, thinking, expression, press. What will happen if Don Rickles continue to make his ethnic jokes while his entire career is built on “I hate Jews….don’t mind me, I’m a Jew too, but did you ever hear about …..etc. etc. But you in the first row you all look related are you the inbred British Royalty or are you from West Virginia?” – I like those sick jokes. I want the freedom to say and think what I feel is right.

That, lopsided sticky, gooey taste of totalitarianism is at the core of our collective future and I see no way out of it for now. In my mind’s eye I see uninterrupted progress in the shortest form following Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, René Descartes, Baruch Spinoza, Hegel, Thomas Hobbes, I chose to ignore much of Nietsche, and skip straight into modern thinkers with American founding fathers and a good few Russians who were deluded by communism but Dostoyefsky was as much a philosopher as he was a novelist, just as Shakespeare was. Two millennia of civilization out the window, and one foot into the bone-fide Neo-Fascism, hurts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Milosevic, it is precisely that road that the humanity does NOT need to take. </p>
<p>We’ve seen the results of the Crusaders, the Spanish Inquisition, the 3rd Reich, the Stalinsit purges, the UDBA in Yugoslavia, the death of Allende, the Somosa case, the Noriega case, the Hussein case, why would anybody in his right mind go back to any of that? The world has taken a turn for the surreal with this Lisbon document. Nobody is against prosecuting criminals – but Dr. Trifkovic is addressing issues of speech, thinking, expression, press. What will happen if Don Rickles continue to make his ethnic jokes while his entire career is built on “I hate Jews….don’t mind me, I’m a Jew too, but did you ever hear about …..etc. etc. But you in the first row you all look related are you the inbred British Royalty or are you from West Virginia?” – I like those sick jokes. I want the freedom to say and think what I feel is right.</p>
<p>That, lopsided sticky, gooey taste of totalitarianism is at the core of our collective future and I see no way out of it for now. In my mind’s eye I see uninterrupted progress in the shortest form following Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, René Descartes, Baruch Spinoza, Hegel, Thomas Hobbes, I chose to ignore much of Nietsche, and skip straight into modern thinkers with American founding fathers and a good few Russians who were deluded by communism but Dostoyefsky was as much a philosopher as he was a novelist, just as Shakespeare was. Two millennia of civilization out the window, and one foot into the bone-fide Neo-Fascism, hurts.</p>
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		<title>By: Tomislav Milosevic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tomislav Milosevic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 00:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laws.
Rules and regulations.
Holly books and other &quot;testaments&quot;.
On one hand many forests perished in vain for printing these 
stupidities. On the other, we need rules.

Ten Commandments are OK with me but many others needed amendments so, presently we don&#039;t really know who drinks and who pays, as Serbs would say.

Lisbon thing comes naturally.
For ages we witnessed criminals crossing borders and getting away with crimes on &quot;technicalities&quot; of various laws.
We also had to endure idiotic opinions which led any intelligent being to complete distrust in motives of lawmakers.

Procedures of future conduct of the law described by Dr. Trifkovic are nothing new to anyone who tasted Communism, especially in early stages, anyone who is familiar with Holly Inquisition and similar witch-hunts Joe McCarthy style or anyone who faced Judge in North America in last, let&#039;s say 30 years.

Tragedy lies in our obvious distrust towards these &quot;lawmakers&quot;, their motives, reasons and agendas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laws.<br />
Rules and regulations.<br />
Holly books and other "testaments".<br />
On one hand many forests perished in vain for printing these<br />
stupidities. On the other, we need rules.</p>
<p>Ten Commandments are OK with me but many others needed amendments so, presently we don't really know who drinks and who pays, as Serbs would say.</p>
<p>Lisbon thing comes naturally.<br />
For ages we witnessed criminals crossing borders and getting away with crimes on "technicalities" of various laws.<br />
We also had to endure idiotic opinions which led any intelligent being to complete distrust in motives of lawmakers.</p>
<p>Procedures of future conduct of the law described by Dr. Trifkovic are nothing new to anyone who tasted Communism, especially in early stages, anyone who is familiar with Holly Inquisition and similar witch-hunts Joe McCarthy style or anyone who faced Judge in North America in last, let's say 30 years.</p>
<p>Tragedy lies in our obvious distrust towards these "lawmakers", their motives, reasons and agendas.</p>
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		<title>By: MAP</title>
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		<dc:creator>MAP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 14:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DR. Trifkovic @ 23: I do look forward to a brutal, global, rapid and unstoppable economic/financial meltdown. It is our only hope.

I wholly agree! As you wrote at another time, the sudden return to reality would cause people to look heavenward. This can&#039;t occur too early from my perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DR. Trifkovic @ 23: I do look forward to a brutal, global, rapid and unstoppable economic/financial meltdown. It is our only hope.</p>
<p>I wholly agree! As you wrote at another time, the sudden return to reality would cause people to look heavenward. This can't occur too early from my perspective.</p>
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