Comments on: The E.U.’s Double Game in the Balkans http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/04/25/the-eus-double-game-in-the-balkans/ Your home for traditional conservatism. Thu, 24 May 2012 03:20:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: M. http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/04/25/the-eus-double-game-in-the-balkans/comment-page-4/#comment-147514 M. Thu, 15 May 2008 18:41:47 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=574#comment-147514 (Headline from today’s DSS web site http://www.dss.org.yu [my translation]) 15 May 2008 In today's meeting DSS-NS, SRS and SPS-PUPS-JS finalized the agreement on principles for formation of the national Government of Serbia. Based on this agreement further talks will continue on finalizing the coalition agreement for constituting the parliamentary majority and forming the Government of Serbia. ----------- DSS = Democratic Party of Serbia SRS = Serbian Radical Party NS = New Serbia SPS = Socialist Party of Serbia PUPS = Party of United Pensioners of Serbia JS = United Serbia (Headline from today’s DSS web site http://www.dss.org.yu [my translation])

15 May 2008

In today's meeting DSS-NS, SRS and SPS-PUPS-JS finalized the agreement on principles for formation of the national Government of Serbia.

Based on this agreement further talks will continue on finalizing the coalition agreement for constituting the parliamentary majority and forming the Government of Serbia.

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DSS = Democratic Party of Serbia
SRS = Serbian Radical Party
NS = New Serbia
SPS = Socialist Party of Serbia
PUPS = Party of United Pensioners of Serbia
JS = United Serbia

]]> By: M. http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/04/25/the-eus-double-game-in-the-balkans/comment-page-4/#comment-147229 M. Thu, 15 May 2008 03:18:41 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=574#comment-147229 Semi-officially, according to Belgrade news daily POLITIKA (http://www.politika.co.yu ) and the DSS web site: 1) The SPS-led coalition (Socialists, United Pensioners, and United Serbia) on Wednesday had very good talks with DSS and SRS (Kostunica present, Nikolic absent however). 2) The SPS coalition wanted stronger laws guaranteeing social justice. 3) The talks will continue Thursday (with Nikolic joining in). 4) The three parties, SPS, DSS and SRS, have already agreed on forming a coalition governing the capital city, Belgrade (observers consider this as a strong sign that a coalition government of Serbia is in the making). 5) The leader of United Serbia (part of the SPS-led coalition) estimates that the negotiations will be concluded "within five days". 6) The leader of SPS strongly denied rumors that Javier the Lizard Solana had invited him for talks in order to convince him to join Tadic's DS :-) Semi-officially, according to Belgrade news daily POLITIKA (http://www.politika.co.yu ) and the DSS web site:

1) The SPS-led coalition (Socialists, United Pensioners, and United Serbia) on Wednesday had very good talks with DSS and SRS (Kostunica present, Nikolic absent however).

2) The SPS coalition wanted stronger laws guaranteeing social justice.

3) The talks will continue Thursday (with Nikolic joining in).

4) The three parties, SPS, DSS and SRS, have already agreed on forming a coalition governing the capital city, Belgrade (observers consider this as a strong sign that a coalition government of Serbia is in the making).

5) The leader of United Serbia (part of the SPS-led coalition) estimates that the negotiations will be concluded "within five days".

6) The leader of SPS strongly denied rumors that Javier the Lizard Solana had invited him for talks in order to convince him to join Tadic's DS :-)

]]> By: Iliya Pavlovich http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/04/25/the-eus-double-game-in-the-balkans/comment-page-4/#comment-146821 Iliya Pavlovich Wed, 14 May 2008 17:01:17 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=574#comment-146821 Neener, neener, neeeeeeenerrrr. As abrasive, coarse, unclear and reptetitious as I am - I managed to disrobe a few communist sympathizers (in this blog at least). Not such chump change, considering their "pro-Serbian rhetoric. Well done, Iliya Pavlovich, who was forced into personal examples by you the "neysayers" since the properly educated communists always insisted on dialectics (and materialism), I had to produce empirical evidence. If you need times, dates, names of my dead or living uncles, fire away - I know full well how much dust there "pro-Serbian facade". Neener, neener, neeeeeeenerrrr.

As abrasive, coarse, unclear and reptetitious as I am - I managed to disrobe a few communist sympathizers (in this blog at least). Not such chump change, considering their "pro-Serbian rhetoric. Well done, Iliya Pavlovich, who was forced into personal examples by you the "neysayers" since the properly educated communists always insisted on dialectics (and materialism), I had to produce empirical evidence. If you need times, dates, names of my dead or living uncles, fire away - I know full well how much dust there "pro-Serbian facade".

]]> By: Iliya Pavlovich http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/04/25/the-eus-double-game-in-the-balkans/comment-page-4/#comment-146783 Iliya Pavlovich Wed, 14 May 2008 14:31:23 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=574#comment-146783 Sorry Durmitore, Njegos birth year 1813 - pure typo don't shoot me (yet). Sorry Durmitore, Njegos birth year 1813 - pure typo don't shoot me (yet).

]]> By: Iliya Pavlovich http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/04/25/the-eus-double-game-in-the-balkans/comment-page-4/#comment-146782 Iliya Pavlovich Wed, 14 May 2008 14:30:28 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=574#comment-146782 Forgive me, I forgot another source from those that have a little faith in God: "Vuk na ovcu svoje pravo ima ka tirjanin na slaba čovjeka. Al' tirjanstvu stati nogom za vrat, dovesti ga k poznaniju prava, to je ljudska dužnost najsvetija!" Petar II Petrovic Njegos 1913-1851 Poor translation (by me): A wolf's right to slaughter a sheep is understood, just as tyrant's right against feeble men. But to stand on tyrant's neck til he understand the right from wrong - is every man's highest office. To my Durmitor communists: Read up man, cleanse your soul, not by me, not by any man, but by your own actions. Doubters have never been in short supply. If you couldn't be invited to the Ranovic villa does not mean that no Serb ever stepped inside. Is my writing now "a little more clear"? Get the drift? Averko and Baily cought on to it faster than the Serbs. Is it possible that it takes a non-Serb to see what Serbs decline to see and as in Roman times you (other Serbs) kill the messinger? Forgive me, I forgot another source from those that have a little faith in God:

"Vuk na ovcu svoje pravo ima
ka tirjanin na slaba čovjeka.
Al' tirjanstvu stati nogom za vrat,
dovesti ga k poznaniju prava,
to je ljudska dužnost najsvetija!"

Petar II Petrovic Njegos 1913-1851

Poor translation (by me):
A wolf's right to slaughter a sheep is understood,
just as tyrant's right against feeble men.
But to stand on tyrant's neck til he understand the right from wrong - is every man's highest office.

To my Durmitor communists: Read up man, cleanse your soul, not by me, not by any man, but by your own actions. Doubters have never been in short supply. If you couldn't be invited to the Ranovic villa does not mean that no Serb ever stepped inside. Is my writing now "a little more clear"? Get the drift? Averko and Baily cought on to it faster than the Serbs. Is it possible that it takes a non-Serb to see what Serbs decline to see and as in Roman times you (other Serbs) kill the messinger?

]]> By: Iliya Pavlovich http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/04/25/the-eus-double-game-in-the-balkans/comment-page-4/#comment-146763 Iliya Pavlovich Wed, 14 May 2008 14:03:34 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=574#comment-146763 Mr. Baily, spoken like true Serbian. I concur. Much of today's Serbia is a proof positive that the dismal downward spiral in more than just economy, politics, proliferation of NGOs with dubious goals and more dubious persons heading them. UDBA, OZNA, BIA or any other set of capital letters that is more fashionalbe today. All of it attesting that communism is not entirely disrooted from Serba. Why else would there be so many appologists for communist actions perpetrated by Serbs. I am a Serb by birth - but most similar to most native born Americans - I have a pronounced sense for true democracy, truth, freedom, acceptance, etc. - and as a Christian man, I accept the cross that must cary for the rest of my life - even if my cross is composed of the deeds of my uncles and grandfathers - as a seed of their efforts I too bear my guilt that I first must accept, confess, atone for, and be rid of it only afterwards and in front of God Almighty - not to be judged by Pilates who are the today's ever changing chameleons (DOS, DSS, SRS, etc.) robed in blue, yellow, red, green. Matthew 16:24 "If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me" - says it all for me. Mr. Baily, spoken like true Serbian. I concur. Much of today's Serbia is a proof positive that the dismal downward spiral in more than just economy, politics, proliferation of NGOs with dubious goals and more dubious persons heading them. UDBA, OZNA, BIA or any other set of capital letters that is more fashionalbe today. All of it attesting that communism is not entirely disrooted from Serba. Why else would there be so many appologists for communist actions perpetrated by Serbs.

I am a Serb by birth - but most similar to most native born Americans - I have a pronounced sense for true democracy, truth, freedom, acceptance, etc. - and as a Christian man, I accept the cross that must cary for the rest of my life - even if my cross is composed of the deeds of my uncles and grandfathers - as a seed of their efforts I too bear my guilt that I first must accept, confess, atone for, and be rid of it only afterwards and in front of God Almighty - not to be judged by Pilates who are the today's ever changing chameleons (DOS, DSS, SRS, etc.) robed in blue, yellow, red, green. Matthew 16:24 "If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me" - says it all for me.

]]> By: jack bailey http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/04/25/the-eus-double-game-in-the-balkans/comment-page-3/#comment-146663 jack bailey Wed, 14 May 2008 10:06:37 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=574#comment-146663 Mr. Pavlovich, as you can see the children of the "New Class" are alive and well, loud as ever and determined to rule at any cost, in their new edition as "Uncompromising Serb Patriots" however they fall short because they do not fit the profile of a true patriot. Just for fun and for their education so they can start posing as such, here is the profile of a true Serb patriot (Perhaps it's someone you know, but this is also a profile of many such men): 1. His grandfather was killed in the first world War. All his granduncles were fighting in the Balkan wars as well. 2. His father was an officer in the king's army a declared Yugoslav. 3. During the World War II, his father was a prisoner in Germany, one of the 300.000. His uncle was a fighter with the Chetniks 4. Although many of the officers returned from the camp and joined the victorious Partisans, the principled ones did not. His father joined the exiled communities and worked on the newspaper "Our Word". During those years, one of his best friends was murdered by UDBA in Chicago. 5. His children were persecuted in Tito's Yugoslavia and were forced to immigrate, after spending years in jails (and being defended by such mavericks lawyers as Dusan Jovanovic and Serge Popovic, who these "new patriots" now wanna label as traitors-this is how ignorant they are!) Now for the important part: 6. During the recent wars nobody in his now large extended family ever felt that the civil war in Yugoslavia was anything but a communist ruse. 7. His father returned to Serbia where he helped with the formation of DOS and had since died. The "new patriots" on the other hand: 1. Have no roots pre WW2. After the war, their fathers and grandfathers have arrived from ther mountain villages into Serbia and literally threw people out of their homes and moved in and assumed power over everything 2. Some of their offspring has managed to do quite well. Like the repentant Dr. Djindjic, some were able to accept the responsibility and commited to correct the intolerable legacy of their parents brutality. 3. Others became gangsters like their parents. In the early 70s, they joined UDBA dominated enterprises like Genex. This was the beginning of the tycoons, who in the first stage (UDBA was dominated by Serb kadres) started ripping off other Yugoslav republics. ( The Agrocomerc affair for example) Tito, who was against this, but being too old and tired of killing, was unable to stop it. Naturally the UDBAs of other republics became resentful and started to fight back. The only way to fight back was with separatism and anti-serbism 4. because of this the Yugoslav idea became compromised, while UDBA did everything to stay in power regardless of cost and continued to foster the divisions. For this they created thier biggest weapon, the formidable Dr. Seselj. 5. The misuse of Serbian nationalism by these people is an incredible tragedy. And sometimes it's the theater of absurd. For example, the Serb flag now has a crown on it, but they won't let the king and monarchy come back, the only true indispensible and undisputable institution that has a full claim as the protector of the Serbian nation. But they will never restore the monarchy because to them only UDBA, this secret society and fraternity is forever. In their minds only UDBA is the true voice of Serbian nationalism. 6. This brings us to where we are, to this meaningless election and to the ensuing impasse as the Serb nation continues to be a failed society. Radicals-DDS have lost but DS did not win, as they were supposed to. However one can feel that UDBA has won once again as that only UDBA is forever. This failed society continues to go nowhere. Mr. Pavlovich, as you can see the children of the "New Class" are alive and well, loud as ever and determined to rule at any cost, in their new edition as "Uncompromising Serb Patriots" however they fall short because they do not fit the profile of a true patriot. Just for fun and for their education so they can start posing as such, here is the profile of a true Serb patriot (Perhaps it's someone you know, but this is also a profile of many such men):
1. His grandfather was killed in the first world War. All his granduncles were fighting in the Balkan wars as well.
2. His father was an officer in the king's army a declared Yugoslav.
3. During the World War II, his father was a prisoner in Germany, one of the 300.000. His uncle was a fighter with the Chetniks
4. Although many of the officers returned from the camp and joined the victorious Partisans, the principled ones did not. His father joined the exiled communities and worked on the newspaper "Our Word". During those years, one of his best friends was murdered by UDBA in Chicago.
5. His children were persecuted in Tito's Yugoslavia and were forced to immigrate, after spending years in jails (and being defended by such mavericks lawyers as Dusan Jovanovic and Serge Popovic, who these "new patriots" now wanna label as traitors-this is how ignorant they are!)
Now for the important part:
6. During the recent wars nobody in his now large extended family ever felt that the civil war in Yugoslavia was anything but a communist ruse.
7. His father returned to Serbia where he helped with the formation of DOS and had since died.

The "new patriots" on the other hand:
1. Have no roots pre WW2. After the war, their fathers and grandfathers have arrived from ther mountain villages into Serbia and literally threw people out of their homes and moved in and assumed power over everything
2. Some of their offspring has managed to do quite well. Like the repentant Dr. Djindjic, some were able to accept the responsibility and commited to correct the intolerable legacy of their parents brutality.
3. Others became gangsters like their parents. In the early 70s, they joined UDBA dominated enterprises like Genex. This was the beginning of the tycoons, who in the first stage (UDBA was dominated by Serb kadres) started ripping off other Yugoslav republics. ( The Agrocomerc affair for example) Tito, who was against this, but being too old and tired of killing, was unable to stop it. Naturally the UDBAs of other republics became resentful and started to fight back. The only way to fight back was with separatism and anti-serbism
4. because of this the Yugoslav idea became compromised, while UDBA did everything to stay in power regardless of cost and continued to foster the divisions. For this they created thier biggest weapon, the formidable Dr. Seselj.
5. The misuse of Serbian nationalism by these people is an incredible tragedy. And sometimes it's the theater of absurd. For example, the Serb flag now has a crown on it, but they won't let the king and monarchy come back, the only true indispensible and undisputable institution that has a full claim as the protector of the Serbian nation. But they will never restore the monarchy because to them only UDBA, this secret society and fraternity is forever. In their minds only UDBA is the true voice of Serbian nationalism.
6. This brings us to where we are, to this meaningless election and to the ensuing impasse as the Serb nation continues to be a failed society. Radicals-DDS have lost but DS did not win, as they were supposed to. However one can feel that UDBA has won once again as that only UDBA is forever. This failed society continues to go nowhere.

]]> By: Peter RV http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/04/25/the-eus-double-game-in-the-balkans/comment-page-3/#comment-146133 Peter RV Tue, 13 May 2008 15:17:02 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=574#comment-146133 The Serbs ( the real ones, that is) have now a unique chance to form a government which responds to the feelings of the Nation, and clean from it the foreign scum that has been infiltrating it now for a decade. If DSS-NS,SRS and SPS miss this opportunity to re-orient our desafortunate shipwreck, we may as well sink- to get it over with. Our future is with Russia and not with a new edition of the Austro-Hungarian Empire aka the EU. The Serbs ( the real ones, that is) have now a unique chance
to form a government which responds to the feelings of the Nation, and clean from it the foreign scum that has been infiltrating it now for a decade.
If DSS-NS,SRS and SPS miss this opportunity to re-orient our
desafortunate shipwreck, we may as well sink- to get it over with.
Our future is with Russia and not with a new edition of the Austro-Hungarian Empire aka the EU.

]]> By: M. http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/04/25/the-eus-double-game-in-the-balkans/comment-page-3/#comment-146114 M. Tue, 13 May 2008 14:51:33 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=574#comment-146114 Peter RV (@146): Indeed. ;-( Peter RV (@146): Indeed. ;-(

]]> By: M. http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/04/25/the-eus-double-game-in-the-balkans/comment-page-3/#comment-146110 M. Tue, 13 May 2008 14:43:55 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=574#comment-146110 (Headlines from today's DSS web site http://www.dss.org.yu [my translation]) 13 May 2008 DSS-NS coalition and SRS adopted today a draft agreement on the character and goals of the "new national government of Serbia", stated today the DSS spokesman Andreja Mladenović and announced tomorrow's meeting with the coalition gathered around SPS. 13 May 2008 The identical positions of DSS and SRS on Kosovo and Metohija problem are basis for programmatic union of the two parties and the formation of a new government, stated DSS official Slobodan Samardžić. (Headlines from today's DSS web site http://www.dss.org.yu [my translation])

13 May 2008
DSS-NS coalition and SRS adopted today a draft agreement on the character and goals of the "new national government of Serbia", stated today the DSS spokesman Andreja Mladenović and announced tomorrow's meeting with the coalition gathered around SPS.

13 May 2008
The identical positions of DSS and SRS on Kosovo and Metohija problem are basis for programmatic union of the two parties and the formation of a new government, stated DSS official Slobodan Samardžić.

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