*Only humans beings via our capacity for imagination arrived at the conceptual pause or level, wherein we can notice what we are thinking anyway, and so Begin to refine thought consciously in search of more salutary results via our actions or activity.

*Beliefs i.e. open-ended ideas, wishes, dreams are best when we notice consciously they are a'priori to thought, and in tandem with thought allow us further refinement of thought and thus activity.

*A clearing or meadow for thought per se should be carved-out as distinctive from the surrounding forest, even though inevitably in tandem with - the open-ended (and so not doable themselves) ideas, wishes, dreams etc. Only when such a clearing has been made and identified as such can thoughts i.e. the doable be appropriately complemented by the undoable open-ended (a function of imagination), and thus thought CAN be appropriately refined further. Without such a clearing we are fated (not destined) to continue to wander aimlessly hit and miss not knowing forest for trees. E.g. oh golly, where Was my campsite, again? ... (Humor lowers blood pressure.)

*Religion is viatal to all cultures, since based on the passage of time (experience) it at least indicates what has been more rather than less propitious to the vital group, based on our wanderings in this current state of affairs.

*Both thought (misnamed the rational) and belief or perception i.e. open-ended ideas, wishes, dreams (misnamed the irrational) are inextricably bound together in human beings. Since it is how conscious thought evolved in us in the first place and is how conscious thought in our species continues and will always be further refined.

*To us humans it is experientially (and thus the case) a world of opposites when we notice degrees of difference between one thing and another to make them seem opposed. They are really both and the same thing like two sides to one coin. It is a world of inches (as well as miles) and thus of degrees of difference.

*Such experienced opposites when noticed sometimes can be synthesized in a dialactic of thesis, anti-thesis, synthesis...while at other *occasions in time it is a binary choice of one OR the other, in other words which side of the coin ought to be facing Up.

*Causality for human beings in Fact does *not result and thus also conversely does not stem from purpose. But rather is always at a given juncture in time an *occasion for indebtedness and responsibility. This is our lot when we are honest and do not lapse into evil, which does not change our reailty but often makes it worse. (E.g. in the news, Iraq.) Thus morality is built into not apart from causality. Neither is the lack of morality apart from causality whether purposed (evil) or by default.

*Once there is a clearing for thought per se - that which is patently doable, it can be newly considered that for something to be 'rational' it must also contain the *appropriate amount of the irrational since that exists too and is an inextricable part of the human factor, if it is in Fact to be considered 'rational.' Otherwise what we want to call rational is again only imagination or instead highly irrational.

*Inevitably we are always both consciously and unconsciously bound up with our own balance and that of the group. Perfect or absolute blance though is Not possible in our world, albeit Approximate balance is requisite. That is obviously because we and the world are alive (dynamic) and not something dead or static upon a pedestal. (E.g. in the news plastic in the seas could kill the planet.)

*Until philosophy is completed (via a clearing for thought per se) we are subconsciously always acting philosophically without being aware of it and irrationally calling it reason.

*On account of how we evoloved and thus ARE and will always be for as long as we are Human, we are conceptual creatures [i.e. both], in our world & NEVER either.

*A penny saved is a penny earned ... wait no, non-sequitur, how did that get in here? Well, it's an imperfect world and we're all an imperfect part of it.

*As for imperfection it is also a part of the world since it and we are dynamic and thus alive and the most we can say in this very broad regard is that imperfect's perfect.

*If we want to call something 'perfect' thus inevibably it must be within a given context. Usually that would mean complete.

* 'Complete' is what we ought to now realize is what we mean by essence i.e. the thing in question's - totality. Thus essence or totality is very difficult, if not impossible, to KNOW we have ascertained, especially when in a very broad regard.

*As Aristotle pointed out it is possibly the defining meaning of being educated when to ask for proof or evidence of anything as opposed to when not to. That is the difference between apprehending when something is knowable and when something is unknowable. (E.g. in the news the Twin Towers because proof might have been something knowable if the evidence wasn't promply carted away.) That few asked is evidence of a highly uneducated society, sadly; and of a particularly uneducated journalistic class (or frightened/corrupted.)

*Education (even prior to the definition of thought per se as above; and subsequently a clearing made for it) is yet the greatest thing since the wheel, and will always be thus.

*The perfection of philosophy is its inevitable completion, since although that is currently not yet our fate as a group, it is our destiny.

*Matters of faith are always valuable and never disprovable otherwise there would be no *need of the word faith-regardless of evolution and of the how we came about-if all things were in Fact knowable. They are not. We can only know the difference between when we are thinking and when we are choosing to believe and what is the mix involved on any given Occasion (for indebtedness & responsibility.)

*When we think consciously it is more akin to work and less endorphins are released (the brain and body's natural painkillers), than when we believe because the open-ended is more promising always and it is also what we did consciously and almost exclusively prior to being ready for conscious thought.

*The truth is sometimes difficult to find but not impossible if in a knowable context.

*Wisdom is an ability to make fine distinctions that are actual.

*Questions are important (of course) in our process (possibly the most important aspect.) However just because we can ask a question does not automatically mean it is real or actual. We can always move our mouths even when *exclusively motivated by our imagination, and that is good too. Can God make a rock so big he cannot lift it? TIME is a factor. More appropriately pain defines us whether felt or unfelt, since it informs accurately and inaccurately in our imperfect world.

*All things are also vibrations with their own signature frequencies including our thoughts. Thus in our world of degrees of difference, thoughts too only in that regard are things. Don't kick a rock, its vibe and signature frequency may be stronger than your toe. However if at an opera and sneaking in beers in your pockets, make sure they're in cans. The signature frequency of glass is weaker than some very High notes, but not stronger than aluminum, apparently.

*"Peace, out - dog."

P.S. mother Nature is both cruel & kind AND saw fit to make us conscious of what we're thinking (like the rest of her kingdom does unconsciously). What shall we make of her blessing and her curse, under God? Did she want it so, or only God? Sorry, unknowable, here. Faith. But think consciously now - KNOWING the difference. Where was that campsite? Oh, we haven't carved it out yet, ok! I'm down with it.

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Then Sartre came along and really confused them (a while back - remember?) He gave them Christian humanism backasswards. More subjectivity, but at least with Christianity there's St. Paul - rather than Sartre. Sartre was allegedly a great fornicator; and so his it's 'all absurd & subjective as well nonetheless so as to save our dignity' according to him - might have been prompted nonetheless subconsciously - by some pretty objective 'prompts'. I.e. 'No Exit' (for the babes - he knew what attracted them/ power etc.) & his famous 'Hell is Other people' (i.e. other *fellows.) Just another schmuck...albeit without even the claim to higher authority or holiness... who knows which is worse? Alleged divine light or alleged human light into which we are all supposed to collapse and abandon ourselves and our Being. IF enough people do it, and give you credit - the chicks will dig'ya - like Sartre.

Jesus would probably have been standoff'ish ... "stand aback' you broads - do not touch me for I have not yet ascended."

'Where ya' going? Can I go too?'

No - bithches... got to MERIT it. You'll learn that later with women's lib.
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Yawn - that's where we'all still at today, dog. And governed inevitably by the null-set yale & hahrvarhd prepsters be they xian or whoish. ... It's why I always say - "thanks God - there's humor too."

I don't think I'll ever be able to post on the Apostolic board now...barring a Pauline-like Re-conversion (since I'm already a Christian. I just like spanking Church Lady, what can I tell you?) She don't mind either apparently - I kid, I kid - I'll just speak for myself, not her.

Probably just as well, they don't need me on the Apolstolic board. That's fine. Who wants a mutual admiration society. zzzzzzz... i've wokedened myself - i don't want to go back to sleep, do I?

What's the point? The point is Sartre didn't even know when he wasn't thinking... because up until then no one had defined what is a thought as opposed to an open-ended idea, wish, dream = thus a belief. He was no thinker... just another secular monk with a hard-On.

What-?- first, postcards of the hangings?

"bring forth eternal numbers to outlive long date" W.S.

But they'll be getting rich off of it all, right?!

First they use their mouths to distract (i.e. tv)
then of course rely on the fact that because of undeniable limb which stands we stand...

and chop us all down. They rely on the masses not 'wishing' to know that, and preferring to remain in dream-land... and if it's a decadent dream - it's weaker and thus better - for the elite without even any straightening Values remaining, or in tow... That's why they always also wanted to get rid of Christianity...or at least St. Paul so that it was a leaf tossed that the prevailing wind can play with.

Are they that smart? Or so stupid that's just what happens because they're stupid and decadent themselves?

I ask you - MOONBONES!?!

Our political elites—these supposedly smart “Yale and Harvard and Princeton educated” people—they never cease to amaze me. Their mendacity, greed, ambition, recklessness, and stupidity have now brought a once-great nation to the brink of utter ruin. And Americans are now so desperate that just might be willing to fall for another faux savior, another cozening fake. So BHO might still make it into the White House.

It's also why when a former Jew like Marx goes reverse-Platonism it's really an attempt to get in touch with his formerly *sincere Essene roots - but it's a nightmare since he hasn't YET been through the Christian process and so he's really attempting to be a new and improved judaic or Pharisee, only. We all have to go thru the Christian process, in my opinion before we deign to imagine we can improve the world. History indicates this in spades. So for Jews the very next authentic thing that isn't yet just another essentially superficial novelty is to convert like Israel Shamir to either Greek Orthodox Christianity or to Roman Catholicism. The metaphysical construct of Christ appended onto the Essene holy man Jesus's teachings/writings HELPS toward those results. Myth Works (especially with sincerity and substance at its core), and some better than others in making better souls or men & women. It's not just a matter of 'identity'. Rutting and head-butting Rams are fantastically secure in their 'identities.' Mankind can be more.

ALSO although Greek thought and their essentially dialectical philosophical processes paved the way for today's science and technology, it did *not [yet] carve out a space or clearing for thought per se. That's WHY even in the grandeur of Western Civilization, we're all still wandering around like little Cains, metaphorically speaking - highly opinionated though largely uninformed and not rooted in fundamental thought itself; 'as if' perception is all that really mattered - as if perception and 'belief' can be the whole ball of wax.

A thought is something complete in itself and something we can Do. While equally important - ideas, wishes, dreams (all a function of the incredible human capacity for imagination) are open-ended and not doable per se. They compliment one another thought/belief and allow thought to continue to be refined without losing its doability. All the animals 'think' except it is excusively at the *unconscious level. In this regard we ALL are thought as well. ... When we, the human animal took the next step in evolution we slowly thanks to IMAGINATION as the way-station started to become conscious of what we were thinking (anyway) as well. We landed for the first time in history at what I call the conceptual pause or level. Over time we could notice if we liked what we were thinking based on our experience [in TIME], or - perhaps we might refine it and subsequently the refinement might result in better activity with more salutary results for any number of 'reasons'. So we started to ALSO think *consciously rather than exclusively like the other animals unconsciously.

Here's a refined thought - 'don't confuse motion with action.' Something complete (even at the level of refinement) and something we can do. Still though today, we jumble conscious thought up in a mix of ideas wishes dreams (all exclusively open-ended and thus not doable) = perceptions only; & we don't notice where thought is actually distinctive from our human-imaginations. IF we can also consciously differentiate finally between the two as *par for the course (because a clearing for thought has been carved out consciously, without losing sight of the reality & VALUE of both) we can potentially arrive at clarity along the way in each given moment of TIME. The 'idea' that we can do either always alone (without the clearing for thought) is the sterile, thought-Less, and mistaken notion and definition of the 'rational' we yet entertain (i.e. imagine) today. It is human to prefer belief or imagination because it's both easier and it is PRIOR or more original than thought since our huge capacity as human animals for imagination is what made conscious thought also possible in the first place. Imagination was and is and will always be a'priori in humans to thought. So ENJOY it. You see it in your kids most clearly. Or you see it in an impressionistic painting (which is essentially a window into our species' *hominid past.) ENJOY it.

It's why I point out that when we use a word in some falaciously exclusive sense like 'rational' we should know as *thinkers it automatically means we must use the other side of the same coin as well or the irrational...Which is what we are actually doing anyway albeit yet UNCONSCIOUSLY. So for something to be rational & conscious it MUST also include the *appropriate amount of the irrational as well or it's not rational & conscious per se. Then as thinkers we can decide do we want it/something to be more toward the rational or irrational depending on the occasion. It is always about the *occasion [for indebtedness and responsiblity] our lot and not purely for what we would call 'purpose' that we make the 'judgement'. Thus you see or notice that as thinkers the morality which is also the-reality of the juncture or occasion is built into it *already, otherwise it as an abberation or an evil. (I.e. thus the idea that we are all sinners from the git go.) We in other words could conversely 'purpose' the abberation or evil i.e. on purpose - which is what we ALWAYS currently do by *default, since unattentive of the clearing or space for Actual thought unmixed-up with belief or idea, wish, dream, etc. It means the CLEARING has not yet been carved out for thought per se. We're still essentially children.

OF COURSE in having to deal with other groups if we notice that is the current (*purposeful only) level of their ability to Actually think consciously - we must also, haven't a choice - but to take that predicament into consideration. But we *don't even realize this [consciously] yet because due to their own *few mistakes in the imperfect world, the Greeks themselves never got around to carving out that space or clearing for thought, itself. And no one else has Either. So we're ALL yet barbarians. It's all yet knee-jerk and stupid on EVERYONE'S part. {Think tanks...with no one yet at the level of conscious thought in that regard.} Anyone reading this KNOWS that current limitation to be the case and the bane of our present condition, once it's underscored herein.

Of course once people see it they tend to 'believe' they thought of it themselves. So why if I'm not naive about that either am I putting this out here in the public domain? Well I enjoy living by the poetic admonition: Teach us to care and not to care. ... I don't care in that 'good' regard. Why not?! It floats my boat as it were, gets my endorphins going (the brain and body's natural pain-killlers) so I get that immediate benefit. I'm damaged goods due to an abusive childhood (significantly so) so I always need to get those endorphins going since they don't fire usually on their own and I'm in too much immediate pain or awareness of pain. Maybe like in literature a Heathcliff? (Was Heathcliff in the same boat, I forget.)

It's also why people who have suffered together as one poet said also have stronger connections than those who are most content. It's a part of the larger reality in the imperfect world that everything comes at the expense of something else. In the human domain it's a realm of [apparent] opposites that are all a part of the same one coin. So it's both Actually in one, not either/or.

Robert Zimmerman: "Since every pleasure has its edge of pain, pay for your ticket and don't complain," ... to put it poetically.

Does anyone yet recognize this post as luminous in its import and manifestation? Maybe I'll take it farther and write a book about it. But I also do it because every juncture [in time and causality] again is an occasion for indebtedness and responsibility. If we really all, as we do, feed each other - then isn't it also my responsibility to share?! (I once had a hemorrhoid as big as a tail - Oh sorry, I didn't me to go THERE...but I like to share.)

Yes. I owe you and conversely the same. Ouch.

My admonition: 'perfect balance in our world is Not possible; Approximate balance however is requisite.' ... Don't 'kid' yourselves.
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'A thought is something complete in itself and something we can Do.'

I guess I'll explain it in MY Book - (everyone writes a book these days - not ME yet) - but I guess I should. Funny.

Why a definition of 'a thought' is *simply important is even the Greeks didn't, as a practical matter make a clearing or a place, for it [thinking per se.] And NO ONE since. ... It's not 'holy' it's wholly important. Will jews publish me? Or will it go down the rabbit hole?

Greek philosophy, yet with us today made room for technology - into which technology without realizing it mistakenly 'believes' philosophy will dissolve... Yet, technology is dominated by philosophy since philosophy ain't at its end yet... not yet complete much less perfected. HA-HA-HA. here's the rub - that's why we have apparent problems with how we handle technology... idiots. (Blame the Greeks AND compliment them - both... you ARE them fools, thank God.) Philosophy INCOMPLETE yet dominates how we ALL behave toward and about technology... fools. No the Judaic is WORSE nothing by comparison... schmucks. Keep dreaming... and stealing. Funny. I doubt they'll publish me now. Funny... like I care. see me and i'm gone.

Stand Upright and be strong... and stay forever young... why not? I treat them badly... they're so stupid. Funny. Now they have the BOMB - duck and cover. assholes. what a bunch or retroverts into anachronism which was so 2K years ago. funny. bend like the muslims. suck. swine.

standing on the water -------- HA-HA-HA. I hear you - go to the opposite extreme instead of joing the human race warts and all. swine. sorry... i must be in a bad mood - swine.

Questions? I guess it's been building - better blow it off in cyber than elsewhere. ? ok, i've chilled. i'm cool. bithches. I can't believe the gentiles put up with it? wow. talk about bithches. and whores. maybe you're right - except for their peaks they're worse? hard to believe. Maybe they're just TOO good. swine. that's the reality. they've become too good. lucky you all. what a world.

i wonder if the great G.S. will chime in now? ... he's probably too busy getting rich. right G.S.? Funny, too. Yawn.

or am I just already claiming the victim Role. There's enormous power in the victim Role; no power in being the Actual victim. ... there's a thought worth sticking like a star in the heavens above. No? Got any? See I beat you there! ... i win ?

No worries. Compared to the spiteful and idiotically arrogant Wotan-groupies who occasionally intrude upon this website, even the most meandering of your musings are rational breaths of fresh air, along with courtesy and civility.

Admittedly that is setting the bar pretty low, but if you're like me you don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

I was not in fact referring to you in my earlier post. But if the shoe fits, then I'd recommending translating some of those digits into real property, which could --if you are fortunate-- in turn translate into a home, something worth holding on to.

My two cyber-cents, for what they're worth.

Vaya con Dios.

sorry i'm a chatty Kathy tonight...probably G.S. is like me doesn't visit boards here all the time. sorry G.S.

funny, conversely - have I told you lately that I love you? maybe I'm unsophisticated-?-it's occured to me. No. Just say no, when it's appropriate. And at the end of the day give thanks to the One.

Don't worry G.S. there's always the economic discipline to those of us with a little. Somtimes if you have a little, it's a lot to lose. Peace. Remember that Obama. ... in the misty morning fog - with our hearts a'thumping... funny & not

I went on a G.S. tangent, tonight! I'd hide if I were him too.