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		<title>By: NATO’s Black Sea Expansion: An Unworthy Risk &#171; Dobro dosli na Internet prezentaciju srpske dijaspore</title>
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		<dc:creator>NATO’s Black Sea Expansion: An Unworthy Risk &#171; Dobro dosli na Internet prezentaciju srpske dijaspore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 22:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 31 Mar 2008 at 3:13 pm1James [...]</description>
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		<title>By: M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 17:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter RV, @56:

&quot;... Serbs should totally abandon the stupid idea of joining the EU
which has become a club of bullies to them, and go where they will be respected and also have economic advantages. Russia’s rapidly becoming an energetic superpower and Serbs can’t but proffit from it ....&quot;

Hope that most Serbs see this truth. 



P.S.   Herman Rauschning, the president of Danzig senate (1933-34) prior to leaving the Nazi party, has attributed the following gem to A. Hitler: 
       
&quot;Politics is a game where the rules change according to the skills of the players.&quot;  

Hitler, of course, was a darling of the decaying Western powers (before he turned on them too), their hero &amp; hope who would &quot;stave off the Bolshevik menace&quot;. However, he also had good understanding of his admirers.

Our Dr. Kostunica is a man of integrity, a legal scholar who believes in following the rule(s) of international law. However, &quot;what do you do when&quot; your opponents on both sides of Atlantic decide not to follow these rules? They have honed this &quot;skill&quot; through ages; even Schicklgruber knew that. In practical terms, legalese doesn&#039;t do much for the short side, does it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter RV, @56:</p>
<p>"... Serbs should totally abandon the stupid idea of joining the EU<br />
which has become a club of bullies to them, and go where they will be respected and also have economic advantages. Russia’s rapidly becoming an energetic superpower and Serbs can’t but proffit from it ...."</p>
<p>Hope that most Serbs see this truth. </p>
<p>P.S.   Herman Rauschning, the president of Danzig senate (1933-34) prior to leaving the Nazi party, has attributed the following gem to A. Hitler: </p>
<p>"Politics is a game where the rules change according to the skills of the players."  </p>
<p>Hitler, of course, was a darling of the decaying Western powers (before he turned on them too), their hero &amp; hope who would "stave off the Bolshevik menace". However, he also had good understanding of his admirers.</p>
<p>Our Dr. Kostunica is a man of integrity, a legal scholar who believes in following the rule(s) of international law. However, "what do you do when" your opponents on both sides of Atlantic decide not to follow these rules? They have honed this "skill" through ages; even Schicklgruber knew that. In practical terms, legalese doesn't do much for the short side, does it?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter RV</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/03/31/natos-black-sea-expansion-an-unworthy-risk/comment-page-2/#comment-126321</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter RV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 21:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is wrong to say that Serbia has no choice but to obey whims of the EU, as some people (whose motives BTW,are highly suspicious) are incessantly suggesting us.
  The best course for the Serbs would be to establish a closest possible integration with Russia with whom we have, besides emotional ties, a clear coincidence of interests- the resistance to the dismembrement of our national territories.
  Serbs should totally abandon the stupid idea of joining the EU
which has become a club of bullies to them, and go where they will be respected and also have economic advantages. Russia&#039;s rapidly becoming an energetic superpower and Serbs can&#039;t but proffit from it .
  When Serbs reject this idea of their corrupt polititians (most of them on foreign payroll) and realize that being on their knees won&#039;t get them anywhere else but into a moral gutter, and that the only way to salavation is to resist to be subjugated, the victory will be theirs.
 As far as Kosovo is concerned, Serbs must defend their minority there and wait for the better times. There will be ocasion to get Kosovo back  being  firm and patient. What is taken away by the sword can be regain by the sword ( if necessary), when the moment arrives.
 And it will arrive.
 The EU, just like the Austro-Hungarian Empire is of a fragile artificial structure ,the cracks in it are bound to appear and the rot to set in. And, we may not have to wait too long for that either. The processes of desintegration of empires are develloping much faster in our times than in the past.
 Europeans will have learn then the consequence of absurdity of  installing a hostile U.S. military base on Serbian territory by proclaiming it a &#039;nation&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is wrong to say that Serbia has no choice but to obey whims of the EU, as some people (whose motives BTW,are highly suspicious) are incessantly suggesting us.<br />
  The best course for the Serbs would be to establish a closest possible integration with Russia with whom we have, besides emotional ties, a clear coincidence of interests- the resistance to the dismembrement of our national territories.<br />
  Serbs should totally abandon the stupid idea of joining the EU<br />
which has become a club of bullies to them, and go where they will be respected and also have economic advantages. Russia's rapidly becoming an energetic superpower and Serbs can't but proffit from it .<br />
  When Serbs reject this idea of their corrupt polititians (most of them on foreign payroll) and realize that being on their knees won't get them anywhere else but into a moral gutter, and that the only way to salavation is to resist to be subjugated, the victory will be theirs.<br />
 As far as Kosovo is concerned, Serbs must defend their minority there and wait for the better times. There will be ocasion to get Kosovo back  being  firm and patient. What is taken away by the sword can be regain by the sword ( if necessary), when the moment arrives.<br />
 And it will arrive.<br />
 The EU, just like the Austro-Hungarian Empire is of a fragile artificial structure ,the cracks in it are bound to appear and the rot to set in. And, we may not have to wait too long for that either. The processes of desintegration of empires are develloping much faster in our times than in the past.<br />
 Europeans will have learn then the consequence of absurdity of  installing a hostile U.S. military base on Serbian territory by proclaiming it a 'nation'.</p>
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		<title>By: M.</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/03/31/natos-black-sea-expansion-an-unworthy-risk/comment-page-2/#comment-123210</link>
		<dc:creator>M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 00:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of NATO&#039;s expansion and Russian global diplomacy, today&#039;s article by a well known Indian career diplomat sheds more light on the grand game.

	
&quot;The Taliban&#039;s shadow hangs over NATO

Following the North Atlantic Treaty Organization summit and the meeting between Russian President Vladimir Putin and US President George W Bush, the Russians say they were &quot;defeated&quot;: the US&#039;s missile defense shield in Europe and NATO&#039;s expansion will go ahead. This is a smokescreen. Moscow, by agreeing to the transit of food and non-military cargo and &quot;some types of non-lethal military equipment&quot; across Russia to Afghanistan, now has a role in NATO&#039;s operations in Afghanistan. - M K Bhadrakumar (Apr 7, &#039;08)
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http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/JD08Ag01.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of NATO's expansion and Russian global diplomacy, today's article by a well known Indian career diplomat sheds more light on the grand game.</p>
<p>"The Taliban's shadow hangs over NATO</p>
<p>Following the North Atlantic Treaty Organization summit and the meeting between Russian President Vladimir Putin and US President George W Bush, the Russians say they were "defeated": the US's missile defense shield in Europe and NATO's expansion will go ahead. This is a smokescreen. Moscow, by agreeing to the transit of food and non-military cargo and "some types of non-lethal military equipment" across Russia to Afghanistan, now has a role in NATO's operations in Afghanistan. - M K Bhadrakumar (Apr 7, '08)<br />
...<br />
"<br />
<a href="http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/JD08Ag01.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/JD08Ag01.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Eagle</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/03/31/natos-black-sea-expansion-an-unworthy-risk/comment-page-2/#comment-122635</link>
		<dc:creator>Eagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 22:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a conflict of ideas between &quot;the way it should be&quot; and &quot;the way it is playing out&quot;.  Yes, in a sane world, western Christian nations would work amicably with eastern Christian nations and &quot;a&quot; European union would be an organic, natural outcome of sorts in the political, economic, and cultural spheres of life without the formality of &quot;the&quot; European Union.  But for a variety of reasons addressed by Chronicles, this is not the case.  

The US, with either known or unknown European complicity, is driving the globe to another cold war and perhaps even towards a hot war.  Encricling Russia is a forcing mechanism.  Russia, whether it wants to or not (it does not),  may have to create a military presence of sorts in the Balkans, and Serbia, whether it wants to or not (it does not), may have to accept a Russian military presence.  Whether the two have strong or weak allegiances may prove beside the point if the continent is thrown into a massive war by forces that neither Russia nor certainly Serbia can control.  The Great (sic) Powers screwed it up in 1914 and 1939 and look to be screwing it up now.  The question is whether it is 1989, 1995, 1999, 2008, or some future date we will reference when discussing when it was screwed up on this go round.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a conflict of ideas between "the way it should be" and "the way it is playing out".  Yes, in a sane world, western Christian nations would work amicably with eastern Christian nations and "a" European union would be an organic, natural outcome of sorts in the political, economic, and cultural spheres of life without the formality of "the" European Union.  But for a variety of reasons addressed by Chronicles, this is not the case.  </p>
<p>The US, with either known or unknown European complicity, is driving the globe to another cold war and perhaps even towards a hot war.  Encricling Russia is a forcing mechanism.  Russia, whether it wants to or not (it does not),  may have to create a military presence of sorts in the Balkans, and Serbia, whether it wants to or not (it does not), may have to accept a Russian military presence.  Whether the two have strong or weak allegiances may prove beside the point if the continent is thrown into a massive war by forces that neither Russia nor certainly Serbia can control.  The Great (sic) Powers screwed it up in 1914 and 1939 and look to be screwing it up now.  The question is whether it is 1989, 1995, 1999, 2008, or some future date we will reference when discussing when it was screwed up on this go round.</p>
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		<title>By: Yankee Doodle</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/03/31/natos-black-sea-expansion-an-unworthy-risk/comment-page-2/#comment-122535</link>
		<dc:creator>Yankee Doodle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 18:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NATO is not doing what it needs to be doing in Afghanistan; the governments of too many Nay-TO countries are too busy pandering to extremist Muslims among their growing Muslim minorities, and don&#039;t want to deal effectively with Islamic terrorists in South Asia.

Beyond that, considering how the EU increasingly treats its subjects, and considering Western Europe&#039;s eagerness to blast Serbia in violation of international law, NATO seems to finally actually be becoming what Soviet propaganda had made it out to be for many years -- an aggressive alliance aimed at Moscow.

All things considered, it is time for the US to leave NATO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NATO is not doing what it needs to be doing in Afghanistan; the governments of too many Nay-TO countries are too busy pandering to extremist Muslims among their growing Muslim minorities, and don't want to deal effectively with Islamic terrorists in South Asia.</p>
<p>Beyond that, considering how the EU increasingly treats its subjects, and considering Western Europe's eagerness to blast Serbia in violation of international law, NATO seems to finally actually be becoming what Soviet propaganda had made it out to be for many years -- an aggressive alliance aimed at Moscow.</p>
<p>All things considered, it is time for the US to leave NATO.</p>
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		<title>By: Michele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 01:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article addresses issues I happen to understand and agree with. 

Black Sea expansion has created unnecessary tension between the West and Russia. It&#039;s counterproductive to any peace initiatives that have been achieved since the Cold War. 

Time will prove that this is destructive for peace, and it will only increase the threat of Iran, Islamic terror, etc., as we will lose any alliances we&#039;ve developed in Christian Eastern Europe and Russia. 

The fact that the U.S. has turned it&#039;s back on Serbia long ago by supporting an Islamic nation such as Kosovo, robbing the Serbs of their territory, makes matters worse. 

The U.S. needs an ally in Vladimir Putin. Aggravating a situation such as this will hurt everyone involved in the long run. I hope &quot;The Power&#039;s That Be&quot; think twice before pursuing this any further.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article addresses issues I happen to understand and agree with. </p>
<p>Black Sea expansion has created unnecessary tension between the West and Russia. It's counterproductive to any peace initiatives that have been achieved since the Cold War. </p>
<p>Time will prove that this is destructive for peace, and it will only increase the threat of Iran, Islamic terror, etc., as we will lose any alliances we've developed in Christian Eastern Europe and Russia. </p>
<p>The fact that the U.S. has turned it's back on Serbia long ago by supporting an Islamic nation such as Kosovo, robbing the Serbs of their territory, makes matters worse. </p>
<p>The U.S. needs an ally in Vladimir Putin. Aggravating a situation such as this will hurt everyone involved in the long run. I hope "The Power's That Be" think twice before pursuing this any further.</p>
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		<title>By: Allen Wilson</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/03/31/natos-black-sea-expansion-an-unworthy-risk/comment-page-2/#comment-121754</link>
		<dc:creator>Allen Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 16:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It all boils down to the question of what are Serbia&#039;s and Russia&#039;s parallel interests. It is presently in Russia&#039;s interest to help Serbia and in Serbia&#039;s interest to use that help. Of course, Serbia must take advantage of that help wisely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It all boils down to the question of what are Serbia's and Russia's parallel interests. It is presently in Russia's interest to help Serbia and in Serbia's interest to use that help. Of course, Serbia must take advantage of that help wisely.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 03:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read with interest the thought of Serbia &quot;integrating with Russia&quot; or hosting Russian bases or nuclear weapons[!]  Please!

Yes, there is an attachment that Serbs primarily and other Orthodox Balkan people generally have with &quot;Mother Russia.&quot;  My late father would speak of Russia with tears in his eyes, but this was emotion of the heart, rather than the mind.  In most cases, as another reader points out, when the chips were down, the Balkan countries had to fend for themselves, or get the best deal from the West.  

Kosovo is indeed a huge historical injustice, but unfortunately Serbia becoming a Belarus-like client state is no answer.  Where is the Russian investment?   Serbia&#039;s largest foreign investors are Greece (a neighbor and traditional Orthodox friend), Slovenia (former Yugoslav republic), and Austria (the enemy).

The European Union is the only choice, and it comes at a sickening price, amputation, but becoming a CIS bargaining chip from Russia which is willing to sacrifice it in the course of their Great Power &quot;games,&quot; as in the past, is not a great option for Serbia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read with interest the thought of Serbia "integrating with Russia" or hosting Russian bases or nuclear weapons[!]  Please!</p>
<p>Yes, there is an attachment that Serbs primarily and other Orthodox Balkan people generally have with "Mother Russia."  My late father would speak of Russia with tears in his eyes, but this was emotion of the heart, rather than the mind.  In most cases, as another reader points out, when the chips were down, the Balkan countries had to fend for themselves, or get the best deal from the West.  </p>
<p>Kosovo is indeed a huge historical injustice, but unfortunately Serbia becoming a Belarus-like client state is no answer.  Where is the Russian investment?   Serbia's largest foreign investors are Greece (a neighbor and traditional Orthodox friend), Slovenia (former Yugoslav republic), and Austria (the enemy).</p>
<p>The European Union is the only choice, and it comes at a sickening price, amputation, but becoming a CIS bargaining chip from Russia which is willing to sacrifice it in the course of their Great Power "games," as in the past, is not a great option for Serbia.</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@51M

Russia wont help Serbs remove foreign NGOs from its land it hasn&#039;t done so in Russia were there more active so way do it in Serbia? If Russia did so or set up military bases the Western alliance would use that as a provocation to attack Russia. Russians are smarter than that and wont to avoid an all out confrontation at all cost. They know if they diversify there capital and seek joint investment in other countries than it would be harder for a foreign backed bolshevik style tackover to sieze and control Russia something the Czar failed to do. It would be better if Serb authorities launched an investigation of these foreign NGOs and there actives and passed a law in parlament limiting the amount of NGOs operating in the country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@51M</p>
<p>Russia wont help Serbs remove foreign NGOs from its land it hasn't done so in Russia were there more active so way do it in Serbia? If Russia did so or set up military bases the Western alliance would use that as a provocation to attack Russia. Russians are smarter than that and wont to avoid an all out confrontation at all cost. They know if they diversify there capital and seek joint investment in other countries than it would be harder for a foreign backed bolshevik style tackover to sieze and control Russia something the Czar failed to do. It would be better if Serb authorities launched an investigation of these foreign NGOs and there actives and passed a law in parlament limiting the amount of NGOs operating in the country.</p>
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