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		<title>By: Walter Hallstein</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/03/11/the-eus-totalitarian-founding-fathers/comment-page-1/#comment-113088</link>
		<dc:creator>Walter Hallstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;FACTS:&lt;/b&gt; 

&lt;b&gt;Walter Hallstein:&lt;/b&gt; 
On the 1st January 1958 Hallstein became the first president of the European Commission. In held the post for ten years and during this period he advocated the establishment of the Common Market. 

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERhallsteinW.htm 

BTW, In 1969 Willy Brandt became Chancellor of Federal Republic of Germany (West Germany). His policy of Ostpolitik (reconciliation between eastern and western Europe) replaced the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallstein_Doctrine&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hallstein Doctrine&lt;/a&gt;. 

&lt;b&gt;Walter Funk:&lt;/b&gt; 
In 1919 Funk married Luise Schmidt-Sieben. Following the war he worked as a journalist, and in 1922 he became the editor of the center-right financial newspaper the Berliner Börsenzeitung. He joined the Nazi Party in 1931, and shortly thereafter became one of Hitler&#039;s personal economic advisers. 

Just that little passage one of many details about Funk, support assertions made in the article written by Atkinson. 

http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/economics/funk.html 

&lt;b&gt;Alfred Toepfer:&lt;/b&gt; 
The Alfred Toepfer Stiftung F.V.S. is a German foundation established in 1931 by the Hamburg merchant Alfred Toepfer. The foundation is committed to promoting European unification and ensuring cultural diversity and understanding between the countries of Europe. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Toepfer_Stiftung_F.V.S. 

&lt;b&gt;Paul Henri Spaak: &lt;/b&gt;
Paul-Henri Charles Spaak (January 25, 1899 - July 31, 1972) was a Belgian Socialist politician and statesman. Born in Schaerbeek, Paul-Henri was the son of Paul Spaak, grandson of the Liberal politician Paul Janson and nephew of another Liberal politician, Paul-Émile Janson, who was briefly Prime Minister of Belgium from 1937 to 1938. His mother, Marie Janson, was the country&#039;s first female Senator. During World War I, he lied about his age to be accepted in the Army; he subsequently spent two years as a German prisoner of war. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul-Henri_Spaak 

&lt;b&gt;Hans Josef Globke:&lt;/b&gt; 
Hans Josef Maria Globke (10 September 1898–13 February 1973) was a jurist and high ranking public servant after World War II in the newly formed Federal Republic of Germany. 

&lt;b&gt;Role in Nazi Germany:&lt;/b&gt;
He helped to formulate the &quot;emergency&quot; legislation that gave Hitler unlimited dictatorial powers. He was also the author of the law concerning the dissolution of the Prussian State Council in 10 July 1933, and of further legislation which &#039;co-ordinated&#039; all Prussian parliamentary bodies.[1] He also wrote a law commentary on the new Reich Citizenship Law (The Nuremberg Laws-introduced at Hitler&#039;s request at the Nazi Party Congress in Sept.1935, it revoked the citizenship of German Jews). [1] [2] His membership application for the Nazi Party was rejected on 24 October 1940 by Martin Bormann reportedly due to his close alliance with the Zentrum-Party which had been representing Roman Catholic voters in Weimar Germany.[3] He thus escaped de-Nazification and the War Crime Trials. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Globke 

From the list above of the provided by Atkinson of &lt;b&gt;leading figures, critical promoters of EU can be directly linked to officially recognized individuals as the so called Founding Fathers of the European Union&lt;/b&gt;. In fact there are a number of men who have been recognized as making a major contribution to the development of the European unity and what is now the European Union. &lt;b&gt;There is no official list of founding fathers or a single event defining them so some ideas vary.&lt;/b&gt; 

Bottom line is the &lt;b&gt;original six members of EU were either Nazi’s, fascist or collaborators of both&lt;/b&gt;, that as well is undisputable fact. Two the foreign policy of EU has accomplished what Hitler’s Third Reich could not, redrawing of borders, and undoing what was done in WWI and WWII and without firing a single bullet. And the only victim of this aggressive foreign policy was Yugoslavia, and now Serbia, but also the future of EU, but EU elite fail to see the connection between the two, disregarding UN Charter, NATO Charter, Helsinki Agreement, etc., will haunt the EU leadership in the near future. Just like at the end of WWI when the League of Nations became inept, and directly led to WWII, so shell UN come to an end and will lead to WWIII, this is a very likely scenario for immediate future.

The world failed (the allies at the end of WWII) to isolate Germany and Germanys Nazi past, instead of rebuilding the smaller nations of Europe and keeping Germany away from the leading role in Europe, which sooner or later would embolden Nazi’s in Germany and elsewhere from the past to pursue their interests today, their tool for achieving their interests is exactly EU.       

The history of Charlemagne and what it means to Germany and Germens:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlemagne</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>FACTS:</b> </p>
<p><b>Walter Hallstein:</b><br />
On the 1st January 1958 Hallstein became the first president of the European Commission. In held the post for ten years and during this period he advocated the establishment of the Common Market. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERhallsteinW.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERhallsteinW.htm</a> </p>
<p>BTW, In 1969 Willy Brandt became Chancellor of Federal Republic of Germany (West Germany). His policy of Ostpolitik (reconciliation between eastern and western Europe) replaced the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallstein_Doctrine" rel="nofollow">Hallstein Doctrine</a>. </p>
<p><b>Walter Funk:</b><br />
In 1919 Funk married Luise Schmidt-Sieben. Following the war he worked as a journalist, and in 1922 he became the editor of the center-right financial newspaper the Berliner Börsenzeitung. He joined the Nazi Party in 1931, and shortly thereafter became one of Hitler's personal economic advisers. </p>
<p>Just that little passage one of many details about Funk, support assertions made in the article written by Atkinson. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/economics/funk.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/economics/funk.html</a> </p>
<p><b>Alfred Toepfer:</b><br />
The Alfred Toepfer Stiftung F.V.S. is a German foundation established in 1931 by the Hamburg merchant Alfred Toepfer. The foundation is committed to promoting European unification and ensuring cultural diversity and understanding between the countries of Europe. </p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Toepfer_Stiftung_F.V.S" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Toepfer_Stiftung_F.V.S</a>. </p>
<p><b>Paul Henri Spaak: </b><br />
Paul-Henri Charles Spaak (January 25, 1899 - July 31, 1972) was a Belgian Socialist politician and statesman. Born in Schaerbeek, Paul-Henri was the son of Paul Spaak, grandson of the Liberal politician Paul Janson and nephew of another Liberal politician, Paul-Émile Janson, who was briefly Prime Minister of Belgium from 1937 to 1938. His mother, Marie Janson, was the country's first female Senator. During World War I, he lied about his age to be accepted in the Army; he subsequently spent two years as a German prisoner of war. </p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul-Henri_Spaak" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul-Henri_Spaak</a> </p>
<p><b>Hans Josef Globke:</b><br />
Hans Josef Maria Globke (10 September 1898–13 February 1973) was a jurist and high ranking public servant after World War II in the newly formed Federal Republic of Germany. </p>
<p><b>Role in Nazi Germany:</b><br />
He helped to formulate the "emergency" legislation that gave Hitler unlimited dictatorial powers. He was also the author of the law concerning the dissolution of the Prussian State Council in 10 July 1933, and of further legislation which 'co-ordinated' all Prussian parliamentary bodies.[1] He also wrote a law commentary on the new Reich Citizenship Law (The Nuremberg Laws-introduced at Hitler's request at the Nazi Party Congress in Sept.1935, it revoked the citizenship of German Jews). [1] [2] His membership application for the Nazi Party was rejected on 24 October 1940 by Martin Bormann reportedly due to his close alliance with the Zentrum-Party which had been representing Roman Catholic voters in Weimar Germany.[3] He thus escaped de-Nazification and the War Crime Trials. </p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Globke" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Globke</a> </p>
<p>From the list above of the provided by Atkinson of <b>leading figures, critical promoters of EU can be directly linked to officially recognized individuals as the so called Founding Fathers of the European Union</b>. In fact there are a number of men who have been recognized as making a major contribution to the development of the European unity and what is now the European Union. <b>There is no official list of founding fathers or a single event defining them so some ideas vary.</b> </p>
<p>Bottom line is the <b>original six members of EU were either Nazi’s, fascist or collaborators of both</b>, that as well is undisputable fact. Two the foreign policy of EU has accomplished what Hitler’s Third Reich could not, redrawing of borders, and undoing what was done in WWI and WWII and without firing a single bullet. And the only victim of this aggressive foreign policy was Yugoslavia, and now Serbia, but also the future of EU, but EU elite fail to see the connection between the two, disregarding UN Charter, NATO Charter, Helsinki Agreement, etc., will haunt the EU leadership in the near future. Just like at the end of WWI when the League of Nations became inept, and directly led to WWII, so shell UN come to an end and will lead to WWIII, this is a very likely scenario for immediate future.</p>
<p>The world failed (the allies at the end of WWII) to isolate Germany and Germanys Nazi past, instead of rebuilding the smaller nations of Europe and keeping Germany away from the leading role in Europe, which sooner or later would embolden Nazi’s in Germany and elsewhere from the past to pursue their interests today, their tool for achieving their interests is exactly EU.       </p>
<p>The history of Charlemagne and what it means to Germany and Germens:<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlemagne" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlemagne</a></p>
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		<title>By: Walter Hallstein</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/03/11/the-eus-totalitarian-founding-fathers/comment-page-1/#comment-113087</link>
		<dc:creator>Walter Hallstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;#11 Howard Sitton&lt;/b&gt;

&lt;i&gt;Atkinson says “It was Nazis who developed the Charlemagne Prize given to those who have done the most to build European Union.” We google over to “&lt;b&gt;Charlemagne Prize&lt;/b&gt;”, and find that it was proposed 19 December 1949, and officially proclaimed Christmas 1949. And here &lt;b&gt;I thought that Naziism died May 9th, 1945&lt;/b&gt;, four and one-half years earlier! He also &lt;b&gt;says that “The Federal Union of European Nationalities” was “founded by the Nazis”&lt;/b&gt;; checking that out, I see that one Joseph Martray, Breton, was founder (in October 1949, in France), and first Secretary-General of that organization, and the founding conference was considered important enough for France to send Francois Mitterand to attend . . .&lt;/i&gt;

First, let’s tackle your first assertion about the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karlspreis&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Charlemagne Prize&lt;/a&gt;.

It appears logic fails you, if Kurt Pfeiffer was a member of Nazi party in 1933 what would prevent him from creating a Charlemagne Prize in 1949 (if he was a Nazi in 1933, he is still a Nazi in 1949, nice try though), both Imperial and Nazi Germany celebrated Charlemagne as the &quot;uniter of the German nation&quot;, which has what kind of connotations for anyone that can read and comprehend the English language? 

Second, let’s tackle you assertion about &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.conservapedia.com/Nazism&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Nazi’s and Nazism&lt;/a&gt;, when was Nazi party founded and by whom, and for what reason? After Nazi Germanys was defeat in 1945 most Nazi’s remained Nazi’s, not one of them gave up the idea “National Socialism”, and those people pursued and found organizations after the war where they could further those ideas they developed in the past and held onto for use in the future, and that is what we see today in EU, U.S., those same principles, that Mr. Atkinson points out in his article, but of course you failed to get the gist of the article, instead you went on a rant and with sheepish attempt dismissal of facts that you googled which were inaccurate or half-truths. 

Also you show naivety to think just because Germany was defeated in 1945 that somehow people who were Nazi’s gave up their beliefs, and embraced democracy in 1949, four years later as you point out so cleverly. Obviously former Nazi’s stayed hidden immediately after 1945, for obvious reasons, they would have been persecuted for war crimes, so they could not apply their beliefs in practice, till they could do so without persecution. 

Also get your facts together it was Kurt Pfeiffer that suggested the creation of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karlspreis&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Charlemagne Prize&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;i&gt;[…]On 19 December 1949, Kurt Pfeiffer presented to the reading group &quot;Corona Legentium Aquensis&quot;, which he had founded, his proposals for the prize: &quot;We have the honour of proposing annual presentation of an international prize for the most valuable contribution in the services of Western European understanding and work for the community, and in the services of humanity and world peace. This contribution may be in the field of literary, scientific, economic or political endeavour.&quot;[…]&lt;/i&gt;

See Edward Spalton latter on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ironies.blogspot.com/2005_01_01_ironies_archive.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Prince Harry and Charlemagne&lt;/a&gt;: &lt;i&gt;[…]The Charlemagne Prize is just such an institution. First awarded in 1949, it was created by a prosperous Aachen textile merchant called Kurt Pfeiffer who had previously been a member of the Nazi Party and of five other organisations affiliated to it. Pfeiffer said that it was &quot;A European prize which should be associated with the Imperial ideal (Reichsidee) of the Emperor Charlemagne, his palace and burial place&quot; (both of which are in Aachen) 

His main helper, a university lecturer called Peter Mennicken, was a member of the SA (Storm Troopers) from 1933 and of the Nazi Party from 1937. He was also employed by Dr.Goebbels&#039; propaganda ministry on cross-border cultural exchanges to create &quot;international understanding&quot; favourable to Hitler&#039;s government. Mennicken was responsible for the &quot;liturgy&quot; of the award ceremony which takes place on Ascension Day in the Coronation Hall of Aachen&#039;s Council House. 

Both Imperial and Nazi Germany celebrated Charlemagne as the &quot;uniter of the German nation&quot;. Rites from the Nazi period were adapted so that he became &quot;unifier of the Christian West&quot;. My German colleagues, who researched this, have placed a full English translation of their report on www.freenations.freeuk.com .[…]&lt;/i&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>#11 Howard Sitton</b></p>
<p><i>Atkinson says “It was Nazis who developed the Charlemagne Prize given to those who have done the most to build European Union.” We google over to “<b>Charlemagne Prize</b>”, and find that it was proposed 19 December 1949, and officially proclaimed Christmas 1949. And here <b>I thought that Naziism died May 9th, 1945</b>, four and one-half years earlier! He also <b>says that “The Federal Union of European Nationalities” was “founded by the Nazis”</b>; checking that out, I see that one Joseph Martray, Breton, was founder (in October 1949, in France), and first Secretary-General of that organization, and the founding conference was considered important enough for France to send Francois Mitterand to attend . . .</i></p>
<p>First, let’s tackle your first assertion about the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karlspreis" rel="nofollow">Charlemagne Prize</a>.</p>
<p>It appears logic fails you, if Kurt Pfeiffer was a member of Nazi party in 1933 what would prevent him from creating a Charlemagne Prize in 1949 (if he was a Nazi in 1933, he is still a Nazi in 1949, nice try though), both Imperial and Nazi Germany celebrated Charlemagne as the "uniter of the German nation", which has what kind of connotations for anyone that can read and comprehend the English language? </p>
<p>Second, let’s tackle you assertion about <a href="http://www.conservapedia.com/Nazism" rel="nofollow">Nazi’s and Nazism</a>, when was Nazi party founded and by whom, and for what reason? After Nazi Germanys was defeat in 1945 most Nazi’s remained Nazi’s, not one of them gave up the idea “National Socialism”, and those people pursued and found organizations after the war where they could further those ideas they developed in the past and held onto for use in the future, and that is what we see today in EU, U.S., those same principles, that Mr. Atkinson points out in his article, but of course you failed to get the gist of the article, instead you went on a rant and with sheepish attempt dismissal of facts that you googled which were inaccurate or half-truths. </p>
<p>Also you show naivety to think just because Germany was defeated in 1945 that somehow people who were Nazi’s gave up their beliefs, and embraced democracy in 1949, four years later as you point out so cleverly. Obviously former Nazi’s stayed hidden immediately after 1945, for obvious reasons, they would have been persecuted for war crimes, so they could not apply their beliefs in practice, till they could do so without persecution. </p>
<p>Also get your facts together it was Kurt Pfeiffer that suggested the creation of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karlspreis" rel="nofollow">Charlemagne Prize</a></p>
<p><i>[…]On 19 December 1949, Kurt Pfeiffer presented to the reading group "Corona Legentium Aquensis", which he had founded, his proposals for the prize: "We have the honour of proposing annual presentation of an international prize for the most valuable contribution in the services of Western European understanding and work for the community, and in the services of humanity and world peace. This contribution may be in the field of literary, scientific, economic or political endeavour."[…]</i></p>
<p>See Edward Spalton latter on <a href="http://www.ironies.blogspot.com/2005_01_01_ironies_archive.html" rel="nofollow">Prince Harry and Charlemagne</a>: <i>[…]The Charlemagne Prize is just such an institution. First awarded in 1949, it was created by a prosperous Aachen textile merchant called Kurt Pfeiffer who had previously been a member of the Nazi Party and of five other organisations affiliated to it. Pfeiffer said that it was "A European prize which should be associated with the Imperial ideal (Reichsidee) of the Emperor Charlemagne, his palace and burial place" (both of which are in Aachen) </p>
<p>His main helper, a university lecturer called Peter Mennicken, was a member of the SA (Storm Troopers) from 1933 and of the Nazi Party from 1937. He was also employed by Dr.Goebbels' propaganda ministry on cross-border cultural exchanges to create "international understanding" favourable to Hitler's government. Mennicken was responsible for the "liturgy" of the award ceremony which takes place on Ascension Day in the Coronation Hall of Aachen's Council House. </p>
<p>Both Imperial and Nazi Germany celebrated Charlemagne as the "uniter of the German nation". Rites from the Nazi period were adapted so that he became "unifier of the Christian West". My German colleagues, who researched this, have placed a full English translation of their report on <a href="http://www.freenations.freeuk.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.freenations.freeuk.com</a> .[…]</i></p>
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		<title>By: Lynn Atkinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn Atkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t help but be proud of my husband. He is a genuine equity holder and gains nothing from his political and political economy contributions. As a very successful Ministerial advisor to Peter Walker during the Thatcher interlude, his advice saved the UK £10,000,000,000 in 10 years. (What the updated figure is I know not).  

Approval expressed by Vaclav Klous, the great Milton Friedman, Lord Denning (Master of the Rolls), Norris McWhirter and PJ O&#039;Rourke amongst others should be enough to ensure that his analysis over the spectrum is seriously and should be seriously scrutinized. 

Of course Rodney has proposed the solution to the UK&#039;s constitutional crisis (see www.BDIcampaign.org). His Monetarist policy would have enabled the UK to withstand the financial disaster which is about to break and which he, along with other monetarist economists, has been forecasting for some time. In laymans terms that means that a mountain of human misery would have been avoided. 

That is the impetus for all his work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can't help but be proud of my husband. He is a genuine equity holder and gains nothing from his political and political economy contributions. As a very successful Ministerial advisor to Peter Walker during the Thatcher interlude, his advice saved the UK £10,000,000,000 in 10 years. (What the updated figure is I know not).  </p>
<p>Approval expressed by Vaclav Klous, the great Milton Friedman, Lord Denning (Master of the Rolls), Norris McWhirter and PJ O'Rourke amongst others should be enough to ensure that his analysis over the spectrum is seriously and should be seriously scrutinized. </p>
<p>Of course Rodney has proposed the solution to the UK's constitutional crisis (see <a href="http://www.BDIcampaign.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.BDIcampaign.org</a>). His Monetarist policy would have enabled the UK to withstand the financial disaster which is about to break and which he, along with other monetarist economists, has been forecasting for some time. In laymans terms that means that a mountain of human misery would have been avoided. </p>
<p>That is the impetus for all his work.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Newman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon Newman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 16:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert Taft:
&quot;But will the Fourth Reich — err, I mean the EU — LET any major country opt out?&quot;

The EU is militarily weak.  The big worry for us Europhobes is that any attempt at secession will be met with American military intervention on the side of the EU.  In the name of Human Rights, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert Taft:<br />
"But will the Fourth Reich — err, I mean the EU — LET any major country opt out?"</p>
<p>The EU is militarily weak.  The big worry for us Europhobes is that any attempt at secession will be met with American military intervention on the side of the EU.  In the name of Human Rights, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Howard Sitton</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/03/11/the-eus-totalitarian-founding-fathers/comment-page-1/#comment-109054</link>
		<dc:creator>Howard Sitton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 00:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always approach reading &quot;comments&quot; after an article warily; the spelling, motivations, obscenity, and faulty reasoning of some of the correspondents are and I suppose always will be a &quot;put-off&quot;. 

But sometimes a few things need to be addressed.  Dr. Atkinson&#039;s article at least started with some statements with which I could agree (the dangers of &quot;European union&quot;), but quickly drifted into simple Germanophobia (shades of Lord Vansittart!) , always a flag that serious thinking has been traded for some agenda or program, in this case maybe simple race-hatred.  

Atkinson says &quot;It was Nazis who developed the Charlemagne Prize given to those who have done the most to build European Union.&quot;  We google over to &quot;Charlemagne Prize&quot;, and find that it was proposed 19 December 1949, and officially proclaimed Christmas 1949.  And here I thought that Naziism died May 9th, 1945, four and one-half years earlier!  He also says that &quot;The Federal Union of European Nationalities&quot; was &quot;founded by the Nazis&quot;; checking that out, I see that one Joseph Martray, Breton, was founder (in October 1949, in France), and first Secretary-General of that organization, and the founding conference was considered important enough for France to send Francois Mitterand to attend . . .

The real howler, however, comes early on, when Atkinson claims &quot;Leading figures like . . . Walter Funk . . . were both active supporters of European fascism in the 1940s and critical promoters of European Union in the 1950s.&quot;  Funk was a top Nazi political official, and thus a &quot;supporter of European fascism&quot; in the (early) 1940s, but how in God&#039;s name could Funk be a &quot;critical promoter of European Union in the 1950s?  He was just &quot;a weak, not very intelligent man&quot; with &quot;glib journalistic formulations&quot; (Eugene Davidson), and a good portion of the 1940s and 1950s he was in jail!  Funk was a former financial journalist elevated to the position of German Economics Minister when the previous Minister, Hjalmar Schacht, was sacked by Hitler for refusing to fund additional German rearmament.  As a major Nazi, he was tried at Nuremberg and convicted, so from May, 1945 and &quot;during the 1950s, he was imprisoned.  &quot;Every two months he could talk to a visitor approved by the prison authorities, in the presence of two guards for fifteen minutes.  He could write and receive every four weeks one letter of no more than 1300 words&quot; (reference page 255 in Eugene Davidson&#039;s &quot;The Trial of the Germans, Nuremberg 1945-1946&quot;).  To be a &quot;critical promoter of European Union&quot; through such a narrow access to the outside world (and carrying the odor of a convicted top Nazi in the bargain), he must have been a magician!  Funk was released from Spandau Prison in 1957, three years before his death, but I suspect his &quot;promotion&quot; of a European Union (which he did believe in) was counter-productive, if anything.  

And for the record, I don&#039;t support the idea of a European Union.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always approach reading "comments" after an article warily; the spelling, motivations, obscenity, and faulty reasoning of some of the correspondents are and I suppose always will be a "put-off". </p>
<p>But sometimes a few things need to be addressed.  Dr. Atkinson's article at least started with some statements with which I could agree (the dangers of "European union"), but quickly drifted into simple Germanophobia (shades of Lord Vansittart!) , always a flag that serious thinking has been traded for some agenda or program, in this case maybe simple race-hatred.  </p>
<p>Atkinson says "It was Nazis who developed the Charlemagne Prize given to those who have done the most to build European Union."  We google over to "Charlemagne Prize", and find that it was proposed 19 December 1949, and officially proclaimed Christmas 1949.  And here I thought that Naziism died May 9th, 1945, four and one-half years earlier!  He also says that "The Federal Union of European Nationalities" was "founded by the Nazis"; checking that out, I see that one Joseph Martray, Breton, was founder (in October 1949, in France), and first Secretary-General of that organization, and the founding conference was considered important enough for France to send Francois Mitterand to attend . . .</p>
<p>The real howler, however, comes early on, when Atkinson claims "Leading figures like . . . Walter Funk . . . were both active supporters of European fascism in the 1940s and critical promoters of European Union in the 1950s."  Funk was a top Nazi political official, and thus a "supporter of European fascism" in the (early) 1940s, but how in God's name could Funk be a "critical promoter of European Union in the 1950s?  He was just "a weak, not very intelligent man" with "glib journalistic formulations" (Eugene Davidson), and a good portion of the 1940s and 1950s he was in jail!  Funk was a former financial journalist elevated to the position of German Economics Minister when the previous Minister, Hjalmar Schacht, was sacked by Hitler for refusing to fund additional German rearmament.  As a major Nazi, he was tried at Nuremberg and convicted, so from May, 1945 and "during the 1950s, he was imprisoned.  "Every two months he could talk to a visitor approved by the prison authorities, in the presence of two guards for fifteen minutes.  He could write and receive every four weeks one letter of no more than 1300 words" (reference page 255 in Eugene Davidson's "The Trial of the Germans, Nuremberg 1945-1946").  To be a "critical promoter of European Union" through such a narrow access to the outside world (and carrying the odor of a convicted top Nazi in the bargain), he must have been a magician!  Funk was released from Spandau Prison in 1957, three years before his death, but I suspect his "promotion" of a European Union (which he did believe in) was counter-productive, if anything.  </p>
<p>And for the record, I don't support the idea of a European Union.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Taft</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Taft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 00:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But will the Fourth Reich -- err, I mean the EU -- LET any major country opt out?  Recall the American example of the (1) Continental Congress; (2) Articles of Confederation; (3) Federal Constitution; (4) Southron Succession; and (4) War of Northern Aggression.

From now on, Britons always, always shall be slaves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But will the Fourth Reich -- err, I mean the EU -- LET any major country opt out?  Recall the American example of the (1) Continental Congress; (2) Articles of Confederation; (3) Federal Constitution; (4) Southron Succession; and (4) War of Northern Aggression.</p>
<p>From now on, Britons always, always shall be slaves.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Fagan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Fagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 04:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to compliment this gentleman... he &#039;almost&#039; looks like ME - but not quite as handsome. I have poim. he has poim thereabouts. Poim per se you can&#039;t beat the vomen off with a stick... but you do try from fatigue. Poim thereabouts...in such a visual world today - you have to work - then you know what i do - it&#039;s worth it... but well... ? 

women used to get wet over someone who could Do the nest for &amp; with them... today... they can do it themself - so they want handsome. it&#039;s like guys always were - they want pretty. some things (see?) never change. now both are superficial... 

ain&#039;t life grand? nice picture... Rodney... gettin&#039; Any?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to compliment this gentleman... he 'almost' looks like ME - but not quite as handsome. I have poim. he has poim thereabouts. Poim per se you can't beat the vomen off with a stick... but you do try from fatigue. Poim thereabouts...in such a visual world today - you have to work - then you know what i do - it's worth it... but well... ? </p>
<p>women used to get wet over someone who could Do the nest for &amp; with them... today... they can do it themself - so they want handsome. it's like guys always were - they want pretty. some things (see?) never change. now both are superficial... </p>
<p>ain't life grand? nice picture... Rodney... gettin' Any?</p>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 01:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To #6:

Mr. Kenny, do you deny that what took place in Britain was a sacrifice of its sovereignty to an authority over which the Brits have no say? If you do not, then what was it? 

If Mr. Atkinson is paranoid then why don&#039;t you dispute the founding history of the E.U. that he offers? 

I find it alarming that this could be accomplished without so much as a whimper of popular resistance from the British people. How could a people willingly submit to a faceless, foreign bureaucratic government that will decide how they will conduct their lives from offices thousands of miles away?

What is the ultimate goal of the E.U. if not the gradual dissolution of local sovereignty in order to make easier the eventual move towards some form of world government?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To #6:</p>
<p>Mr. Kenny, do you deny that what took place in Britain was a sacrifice of its sovereignty to an authority over which the Brits have no say? If you do not, then what was it? </p>
<p>If Mr. Atkinson is paranoid then why don't you dispute the founding history of the E.U. that he offers? </p>
<p>I find it alarming that this could be accomplished without so much as a whimper of popular resistance from the British people. How could a people willingly submit to a faceless, foreign bureaucratic government that will decide how they will conduct their lives from offices thousands of miles away?</p>
<p>What is the ultimate goal of the E.U. if not the gradual dissolution of local sovereignty in order to make easier the eventual move towards some form of world government?</p>
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		<title>By: Zika</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#5 Brutus
Perhaps, you should have read a bit about a history of fascism on the territorry of a former Yu, that is who lived where in those times, and than pose a smart question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#5 Brutus<br />
Perhaps, you should have read a bit about a history of fascism on the territorry of a former Yu, that is who lived where in those times, and than pose a smart question.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah the screwballs! What would we do without them! Mr Atkinson forgot to mention that the recent storms that have battered Britain were the result of a top secret European Commission cloud seeding programme using black aircraft!

Mr Atkison&#039;s younger brother, Rowan, the popular comedian, could have made a wonderful sketch out of this article, just by reading it out loud.

I loved the bit about the speech being &quot;delivered at the House of Commons&quot;, as if Mr Atkinson had been addressing Members of Parliament!

TH EU smaer campaign is running out of steam if this the best it can come up with!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah the screwballs! What would we do without them! Mr Atkinson forgot to mention that the recent storms that have battered Britain were the result of a top secret European Commission cloud seeding programme using black aircraft!</p>
<p>Mr Atkison's younger brother, Rowan, the popular comedian, could have made a wonderful sketch out of this article, just by reading it out loud.</p>
<p>I loved the bit about the speech being "delivered at the House of Commons", as if Mr Atkinson had been addressing Members of Parliament!</p>
<p>TH EU smaer campaign is running out of steam if this the best it can come up with!</p>
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