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		<title>By: waiting</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/02/25/the-return-of-ethnic-nationalism/comment-page-2/#comment-102835</link>
		<dc:creator>waiting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 23:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NGPM,

I appreciate your latest comment and have no inclination to argue the point any further.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NGPM,</p>
<p>I appreciate your latest comment and have no inclination to argue the point any further.</p>
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		<title>By: NGPM</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/02/25/the-return-of-ethnic-nationalism/comment-page-2/#comment-102755</link>
		<dc:creator>NGPM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 20:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@wanting:  Very quickly, since I shouldn&#039;t even have entered this discussion in the first place.  I did not libel you.  I specifically qualified my reference to a &quot;racial holy war&quot; with, &quot;if indeed that is your proposed solution.&quot;  I can of course understand why you would be defensive about this--I would be, too--although from my end, do try to understand that a) I entered the topic to defend my Church and a fellow Catholic--someone with whom I am not in full agreement on all points, but I have no doubt is a wiser and better man than myself, b) I have encountered a great many &quot;white nationalists&quot; who are openly hostile to Christianity and Catholicism in particular and who do endorse to one degree or another some sort of racial war, and c) that in my zeal to stand against the former I spilled over into associating them, perhaps unfairly, wholesale with the latter.

I am bowing out now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@wanting:  Very quickly, since I shouldn't even have entered this discussion in the first place.  I did not libel you.  I specifically qualified my reference to a "racial holy war" with, "if indeed that is your proposed solution."  I can of course understand why you would be defensive about this--I would be, too--although from my end, do try to understand that a) I entered the topic to defend my Church and a fellow Catholic--someone with whom I am not in full agreement on all points, but I have no doubt is a wiser and better man than myself, b) I have encountered a great many "white nationalists" who are openly hostile to Christianity and Catholicism in particular and who do endorse to one degree or another some sort of racial war, and c) that in my zeal to stand against the former I spilled over into associating them, perhaps unfairly, wholesale with the latter.</p>
<p>I am bowing out now.</p>
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		<title>By: B. Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/02/25/the-return-of-ethnic-nationalism/comment-page-2/#comment-102098</link>
		<dc:creator>B. Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Perhaps the wisest counsel for the United States may be to get out of the way of this elemental force.&quot; — Pat Buchanan

Ethnicity is a part of one&#039;s inherited identity, or one&#039;s true &#039;I&#039;.  The resurgence of ethnic nationalism indicates the presence of a powerful threat to the integrity of that &#039;I&#039;.

Like Bolshevism before it, Americanism is an insidious foe that conservative nationalism can be an effective weapon against.  The United States, an empire unto itself and the chief exponent of international liberalism, would be wise to withdraw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Perhaps the wisest counsel for the United States may be to get out of the way of this elemental force." — Pat Buchanan</p>
<p>Ethnicity is a part of one's inherited identity, or one's true 'I'.  The resurgence of ethnic nationalism indicates the presence of a powerful threat to the integrity of that 'I'.</p>
<p>Like Bolshevism before it, Americanism is an insidious foe that conservative nationalism can be an effective weapon against.  The United States, an empire unto itself and the chief exponent of international liberalism, would be wise to withdraw.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a regular reader of it.

Oh, and what I mean by blood is most important is that one is loyal to his people over aliens who share the same religion. Also one seeks to marry within his people, even if they&#039;re pagan.

Those are just my stances though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm a regular reader of it.</p>
<p>Oh, and what I mean by blood is most important is that one is loyal to his people over aliens who share the same religion. Also one seeks to marry within his people, even if they're pagan.</p>
<p>Those are just my stances though.</p>
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		<title>By: waiting</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/02/25/the-return-of-ethnic-nationalism/comment-page-2/#comment-101544</link>
		<dc:creator>waiting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank,

&quot;It’s the people, the race, who matter. They in turn serve the religion, which also guides them, including via the culture. Spirit, water, blood; and blood is most important.&quot;

I hope your visiting www.spiritwaterblood.com.  It sounds right up your alley!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank,</p>
<p>"It’s the people, the race, who matter. They in turn serve the religion, which also guides them, including via the culture. Spirit, water, blood; and blood is most important."</p>
<p>I hope your visiting <a href="http://www.spiritwaterblood.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.spiritwaterblood.com</a>.  It sounds right up your alley!</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/02/25/the-return-of-ethnic-nationalism/comment-page-2/#comment-101526</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ugh, that should read:

Culture is meant to serve the people, and it does so in many ways though I’d prefer not to list them all here since such would only serve to prove I don’t fit false stereotypes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh, that should read:</p>
<p>Culture is meant to serve the people, and it does so in many ways though I’d prefer not to list them all here since such would only serve to prove I don’t fit false stereotypes.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Culture is meant to serve the people, and I&#039;d prefer not to list them all here since such would only serve to prove I don&#039;t fit false stereotypes.

It&#039;s the people, the race, who matter. They in turn serve the religion, which also guides them, including via the culture. Spirit, water, blood; and blood is most important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Culture is meant to serve the people, and I'd prefer not to list them all here since such would only serve to prove I don't fit false stereotypes.</p>
<p>It's the people, the race, who matter. They in turn serve the religion, which also guides them, including via the culture. Spirit, water, blood; and blood is most important.</p>
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		<title>By: lemon</title>
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		<dc:creator>lemon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is an ongoing program of genocide.  Africa for Africans.  Asia for Asians.  White countries for everybody.  Africa will still be full of Africans.  Asia full of Asians.  White countries?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is an ongoing program of genocide.  Africa for Africans.  Asia for Asians.  White countries for everybody.  Africa will still be full of Africans.  Asia full of Asians.  White countries?</p>
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		<title>By: waiting</title>
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		<dc:creator>waiting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 17:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Press,

I am currently living in the American Southwest (specifically South Texas) and have seen the transformation with my very eyes.  Intimate experience has informed me that these racially alien people will never carry on our Western culture in a manner that would satisfy either you or me.  In fact, the people that are re-colonizing America, whether they be Latin Americans, Orientals, or Punjabis could care less about Western civilization as you and I think about it.

Of course, many of these people have been here for some time and have successfully integrated themselves into our McWorld culture (especially the Orientals and the Punjabis), but our McWorld culture isn&#039;t exactly &quot;Western Civilization&quot; now is it!  In fact, our McWorld culture is a farce and an abomination to ever generation that fought and founded the U.S., those who would continue to integrate into it (and by doing so give it legitimacy) are only contributing to the larger problem.

&quot;Working on a university campus I see all sorts of race pride groups. Korean pride, Latino pride groups, etc. You also see Latino magazine. However, no white counter is allowed.&quot;

Exactly!

Our &quot;culture&quot; is characterized by white weakness and an inability to stand up for ourselves and our civilization as distinct and worthy of special attention.  If we merely content ourselves to half-hearted defenses of our culture (like many mainstream conservatives) then we are contributing to the current zeitgeist of white weakness.

&quot;The problem with your solution, which may be resolved in any response you might offer, is that you use the words “white” and “miscegenation” too strongly.&quot;

Yes, people have been conditioned to ignore and repudiate anyone who sounds vaguely similar to previous generations of white Christian American men.

&quot;As a culturist I am not for racial division in our nation. I don’t want to add to it.&quot;

The heart of our disagreement is that I believe that you cannot separate Western civilization from Western man whereas you think that this can be done.  I&#039;m not what justification you have for believing this position other then the fact that you want to preserve Western civilization but aren&#039;t willing to fight for the preservation of Western man because of today&#039;s political sensitivites.

I will maintain that only Western man can continue Western civilization because only Western man has ever built or sustained something that we might call Western civilization.  Why should we hinge everything on an alien or mongrelized people that has never done this before?  So, if you&#039;re serious about preserving our traditions then in my opinion the most direct path to success is to simultaneously fight for the preservation of our people and (by doing so) awaken them to our traditions.

We need a movement with strength and pride if we are to overcome the &quot;happy death&quot; that our consumerist culture has laid out for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Press,</p>
<p>I am currently living in the American Southwest (specifically South Texas) and have seen the transformation with my very eyes.  Intimate experience has informed me that these racially alien people will never carry on our Western culture in a manner that would satisfy either you or me.  In fact, the people that are re-colonizing America, whether they be Latin Americans, Orientals, or Punjabis could care less about Western civilization as you and I think about it.</p>
<p>Of course, many of these people have been here for some time and have successfully integrated themselves into our McWorld culture (especially the Orientals and the Punjabis), but our McWorld culture isn't exactly "Western Civilization" now is it!  In fact, our McWorld culture is a farce and an abomination to ever generation that fought and founded the U.S., those who would continue to integrate into it (and by doing so give it legitimacy) are only contributing to the larger problem.</p>
<p>"Working on a university campus I see all sorts of race pride groups. Korean pride, Latino pride groups, etc. You also see Latino magazine. However, no white counter is allowed."</p>
<p>Exactly!</p>
<p>Our "culture" is characterized by white weakness and an inability to stand up for ourselves and our civilization as distinct and worthy of special attention.  If we merely content ourselves to half-hearted defenses of our culture (like many mainstream conservatives) then we are contributing to the current zeitgeist of white weakness.</p>
<p>"The problem with your solution, which may be resolved in any response you might offer, is that you use the words “white” and “miscegenation” too strongly."</p>
<p>Yes, people have been conditioned to ignore and repudiate anyone who sounds vaguely similar to previous generations of white Christian American men.</p>
<p>"As a culturist I am not for racial division in our nation. I don’t want to add to it."</p>
<p>The heart of our disagreement is that I believe that you cannot separate Western civilization from Western man whereas you think that this can be done.  I'm not what justification you have for believing this position other then the fact that you want to preserve Western civilization but aren't willing to fight for the preservation of Western man because of today's political sensitivites.</p>
<p>I will maintain that only Western man can continue Western civilization because only Western man has ever built or sustained something that we might call Western civilization.  Why should we hinge everything on an alien or mongrelized people that has never done this before?  So, if you're serious about preserving our traditions then in my opinion the most direct path to success is to simultaneously fight for the preservation of our people and (by doing so) awaken them to our traditions.</p>
<p>We need a movement with strength and pride if we are to overcome the "happy death" that our consumerist culture has laid out for us.</p>
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		<title>By: John Press</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Press</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Waiting. You raise some interesting points.  Since you&#039;ve been so mischaracterized, I&#039;ll make my comments mine and not put words into your mouth.

I understood you as being for some race war.  Perhaps that is because we associate white pride with such thoughts very quickly.  

Working on a university campus I see all sorts of race pride groups.  Korean pride, Latino pride groups, etc.  You also see Latino magazine.  However, no white counter is allowed.   

As a culturist pragmatist, I am open to ideas about how to work with such a situation, without prejudice.  My gut instinct says denounce all such &quot;race groups.&quot;  But since they won&#039;t disengage themselves that leaves one at a disadvantage.

The problem with your solution, which may be resolved in any response you might offer, is that you use the words &quot;white&quot; and &quot;miscegenation&quot; too strongly.  Other groups could be construed as cultural (la raza aside) and you specify race.  As a culturist I am not for racial division in our nation.  I don&#039;t want to add to it.

What you and I might agree upon is an overt celebration of European culture.  That, however, is more openly stated as Western culture.  Our universitites used to be all about Western civ.  Now, having to have club, is a sad sign of the times.  Such groups would promulgate love and protection for Western nations and likely not welcome Islamic appreciation and denounce the other race based groups lightly.  

Such a movement would necessarily include a large dose of Christianity, though not be exclusive to Christians.  If you would want it a &quot;whites only&quot; christian group, you should have a right to it.  But I don&#039;t know that it would help secure Western civilization.  That, of course, might not be your goal.

www.culturism.us</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Waiting. You raise some interesting points.  Since you've been so mischaracterized, I'll make my comments mine and not put words into your mouth.</p>
<p>I understood you as being for some race war.  Perhaps that is because we associate white pride with such thoughts very quickly.  </p>
<p>Working on a university campus I see all sorts of race pride groups.  Korean pride, Latino pride groups, etc.  You also see Latino magazine.  However, no white counter is allowed.   </p>
<p>As a culturist pragmatist, I am open to ideas about how to work with such a situation, without prejudice.  My gut instinct says denounce all such "race groups."  But since they won't disengage themselves that leaves one at a disadvantage.</p>
<p>The problem with your solution, which may be resolved in any response you might offer, is that you use the words "white" and "miscegenation" too strongly.  Other groups could be construed as cultural (la raza aside) and you specify race.  As a culturist I am not for racial division in our nation.  I don't want to add to it.</p>
<p>What you and I might agree upon is an overt celebration of European culture.  That, however, is more openly stated as Western culture.  Our universitites used to be all about Western civ.  Now, having to have club, is a sad sign of the times.  Such groups would promulgate love and protection for Western nations and likely not welcome Islamic appreciation and denounce the other race based groups lightly.  </p>
<p>Such a movement would necessarily include a large dose of Christianity, though not be exclusive to Christians.  If you would want it a "whites only" christian group, you should have a right to it.  But I don't know that it would help secure Western civilization.  That, of course, might not be your goal.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.culturism.us" rel="nofollow">http://www.culturism.us</a></p>
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