Does Balkanization Beckon Anew?
When the Great War comes, said old Bismarck, it will come out of "some damn fool thing in the Balkans."
On June 28, 1914, Gavrilo Princip shot the archduke and heir to the Austrian throne Franz Ferdinand in Sarajevo, setting in motion the train of events that led to the First World War.
In the spring of 1999, the United States bombed Serbia for 78 days to force its army out of that nation's cradle province of Kosovo. The Serbs were fighting Albanian separatists of the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA). And we had no more right to bomb Belgrade than the Royal Navy would have had to bombard New York in our Civil War.
We bombed Serbia, we were told, to stop the genocide in Kosovo. But there was no genocide. This was propaganda. The United Nations' final casualty count of Serbs and Albanians in Slobodan Milosevic's war did not add up to 1 percent of the dead in Mr. Lincoln's war.
Albanians did flee in the tens of thousands during the war. But since that war's end, the Serbs of Kosovo have seen their churches and monasteries smashed and vandalized and have been ethnically cleansed in the scores of thousands from their ancestral province. In the exodus they have lost everything. The remaining Serb population of 120,000 is largely confined to enclaves guarded by NATO troops.
"At a Serb monastery in Pec," writes the Washington Post, "Italian troops protect the holy site, which is surrounded by a massive new wall to shield elderly nuns from stone-throwing and other abuse by passing ethnic Albanians."
On Sunday, Kosovo declared independence and was recognized by the European Union and President Bush. But this is not the end of the story. It is only the preface to a new history of the Balkans, a region that has known too much history.
By intervening in a civil war to aid the secession of an ancient province, to create a new nation that has never before existed and, to erect it along ethnic, religious and tribal lines, we have established a dangerous precedent. Muslim and Albanian extremists are already talking of a Greater Albania, consisting of Albania, Kosovo and the Albanian-Muslim sectors of Serbia, Montenegro and Macedonia.
If these Albanian minorities should demand the right to secede and join their kinsmen in Kosovo, on what grounds would we oppose them? The inviolability of borders? What if the Serb majority in the Mitrovica region of northern Kosovo, who reject Albanian rule, secede and call on their kinsmen in Serbia to protect them?
Would we go to war against Serbia, once again, to maintain the territorial integrity of Kosovo, after we played the lead role in destroying the territorial integrity of Serbia?
Inside the U.S.-sponsored Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina, the autonomous Serb Republic of Srpska is already talking secession and unification with Serbia. On what grounds would we deny them?
The U.S. war on Serbia was unconstitutional, unjust and unwise. Congress never authorized it. Serbia, an ally in two world wars, had never attacked us. We made an enemy of the Serbs, and alienated Russia, to create a second Muslim state in the Balkans.
By intervening in a civil war where no vital interest was at risk, the United States, which is being denounced as loudly in Belgrade today as we are being cheered in Pristina, has acquired another dependency. And our new allies, the KLA, have been credibly charged with human trafficking, drug dealing, atrocities and terrorism.
And the clamor for ethnic self-rule has only begun to be heard.
Rumania has refused to recognize the new Republic of Kosovo, for the best of reasons. Bucharest rules a large Hungarian minority in Transylvania, acquired at the same Paris Peace Conference of 1919 where Croatia, Slovenia and Bosnia-Herzegovina were detached from Vienna and united with Serbia.
Abkhazia and South Ossetia, two provinces that have broken away from Georgia, are invoking the Kosovo precedent to demand recognition as independent nations. As our NATO expansionists are anxious to bring Georgia into NATO, here is yet another occasion for a potential Washington-Moscow clash.
Spain, too, opposed the severing of Kosovo from Serbia, as Madrid faces similar demands from Basque and Catalan separatists.
The Muslim world will enthusiastically endorse the creation of a new Muslim state in Europe at the expense of Orthodox Christian Serbs. But Turkey is also likely to re-raise the issue as to why the EU and United States do not formally recognize the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. Like Kosovo, it, too, is an ethnically homogeneous community that declared independence 25 years ago.
Breakaway Transneistria is seeking independence from Moldova, the nation wedged between Rumania and Ukraine, and President Putin of Russia has threatened to recognize it, Abkhazia and South Ossetia in retaliation for the West's recognition of Kosovo.
If Putin pauses, it will be because he recognizes that of all the nations of Europe, Russia is high among those most threatened by the serial Balkanization we may have just reignited in the Balkans.
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The Cold War was supposed to be in the history books less than two decades ago. Good God, even a 23-year-old youngster, a "Generation Y" community college student like me has faint memories of that momentous event. The fall of the Berlin Wall, the failed coup in Moscow, all the Eastern European satellite states plus the new former Soviet Republics dumping communism like a bad habit. Look how short a time ago it was, it certainly didn't last long enough for my taste, the post-Cold War period, I mean.
Mother Russia, despite being the largest country in the world by square mileage, a world power, was yet emasculated and humbled as no other country in history had ever been. Germany at Versailles pales in comparison. Yet Russia was to be our friend now. They did not count on the Russophobic neocons in charge of U.S. foreign policy roaming the State Department and the Beltway.
For them the Cold War will never be over. The day they do get it into their heads that it's been over for almost two decades, they will simply declare a new one. Long live NATO, they scream, and may she expand all the way to the Kremlin!
Get ready, my friends, for Cold War II.
Mr P Buchanan,
Thank You for supporting the Morality!
People,specialy,in NATO countrys deserve to here opinion,as well, from someone who is not Serbian nationality.
Thank You for supporting the human law,respecting other nations,..leting know that even in USA where propaganda is so strong and where the public is totaly brain washed there are people,like Yourself,who did not lose the head in the Circus of evrything but deffinitly Not a foreing policy.
Yesterday,with recognition of falsely 'country'of Kosovo is the day that even Hitler would be ashemed to have in his past.
With that recognition the puzzle,of evrything what was happening in last 20 yrs in former Yugolsavia,was reveled.
Now we can see what,why and who did it!
No matter what and who willl give recognition to fashistic move but one thing is for sure:
Serbia will be a Winner and looks like it is her destiny to cary on the cross like Jesus Christ did!
Kosovo is Serbia,Serbia is Kosovo!
Mr Buchanan,
Thank you for your comments. While the prospect of a Muslim terrorist state in the heart of Europe scares me, I rest assured that the gates of hell will not triumph against Christ's people (Matt. 16:19). If the Serbs can withstand five centuries of Ottoman slavery, surely they can outlast an already dying secularist Europe.
Although I consider myself a patriotic Southron, I find myself in the interesting position of seeing Putin's Russia occupying the moral high ground against the US government.
As Thomas Landen notes, "We are all Serbs now."
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/2988
When the shots of the First War for American Independence were fired, the cry rang out, "The Cause of Boston is the Cause of us all." Later, in the Second War for Independence, countrymen could cry, "The Cause of the South is the Cause of us all." Now, Europe's final stand could be, "The cause of the Serbs is the Cause of us all."
It seems no political party in the US cares for the Serbs. First Clinton bombed them, now Bush will steal their soul from them.
As a first generation Serbian American whose father fought with Draza Mihailovich and the Chetniks during the second World War, this has angered me more than anything our country has ever done including the 78 days of bombing in 1999.
My father was blames the Serbian government for allowing this to happen in the first place, but I know they were powerless to stop it at all. It was pre-ordained and there was nothing the Serbs could do to prevent it.
We will now see exactly how the Albanians will protect the Serbs in "kosova", not Kosovo.
Patrick, I wish you were running for President today. John McCain armed the Albanians during the Balkan wars and pushed for the bombing. We know what Hillary and Obama would do. God help this country and save us from our leaders.
Perhaps now that the Party of Lincoln has come out in favor of secession, the rest of Illinois can now secede from Crook County and Chicago. This is a dark day for Serbia, but somewhere Edmund Ruffin is probably smiling.
I hope that Kosovo eventually becomes a stillborn baby. That prospect is grim, however, as the E.U., the U.S. and their precious NATO and U.N. are all in Kosovo's corner. Patriotic and nationalistic Serbs have recently scoffed at Kosovo's declaration of independence, calling it an empty political stunt. Unfortunately they will not be scoffing when the U.N. threatens a 1999-style bombing raid on Belgrade. It will be deja vu all over again. God help the Serbs in the face of a corrupt, heathen, and imperialistic world government. Today, we are all Serbs.
American support for the Albanian cause in Kosovo is a perfect illustration of the ambivalence of Western attitudes towards Islam. No chance is ever missed of showing the lack of resolve to defend ourselves which is implied in risking our blood and treasure in the protection of Muslims, and in assisting their irredentism.
While the Westphalian Order has always been an ideal, broken often enough, much of what has been stable time in Europe and else where where that ideal has been acknowledged is a result of it.
The worst offenders, although certainly not the only ones, have been the spawns of the Jacobins from the revolutionaries themselves and their ultimate articulation in the person of Napoleon to the three ugly sisters - communism in all of its forms, fascism in all of its forms and social democracy in her various facades - who were begotten by the Young (left-wing) Hegelians. In essence, these three ugly sisters - sibling rivalry - made war on one another in WWII, personified in Stalin (communism), Hitler (fascism) and FDR (social democracy). The "pretty" one won.
This "pretty" one with her Jacobin soul and Young Hegelian heart is -banal and secular but, oh, so zealous - at work against Serbia and against everyone who is outside her narrative.
As a Christian, my ultimate hope is not in the machinations of any man, nation or state, but in the Christ and His Church; yet, in the realm of society and polity, it is an irony for me, a child of the Cold War, having grown up under the threat of nuclear anihilation and the expansion of communism, that I am now inclined to look outside "the West" to the enclave of Serbia and beyond to Russia, with all of its problems, as bulwarks against the ugly sister of social democracy which seems to have consumed and subsumed us all.
I tend to agree with the above poster, Russia seems to be a rock of sense conpared to the 'democratic' west. One listens, or in my case tries not to listen, to the pompous self righteous foreign ministers talking about 'democracy' as if it were some sort of sacrament, they drone on with their superiority on their slieve talking about 'self determination' and 'freedom', things they know very little of!
If these people really believe in self determination, why not give us a referendum on the Lisbon treaty?
Russia, as opposed to most western nations actually stands up for itself and it's interests, it does not appologise for being Russian or Christian, and is being opposed by these amoral wastrels we have for leaders!
Steve,
Great comment! Indeed, perhaps some Serbian couterpart of Edmund Ruffin is already preparing to wrap himself in the Serbian flag in the "new Kosovo Republic."
"Crook County," outstanding characterization!
Steve,
And, I'll use that term from now on, without even dropping a footnote as to its source!
Best,
Why intervene in Serbia? Iraq? Afghanistan? Shakespeare stated it best, in a passage known very well by the the elder Bush and by the younger Bush's handlers:
"Busy giddy minds with foreign quarrels, that action hence borne out may waste the memory of the former days."
I take partial exception to what Mr. Peters said above. Whether Fascism (Mussolini) is a Hegelian offspring or a reaction to it, I'm not sure. But Communism (Stalin), National Socialism (Hitller), and Social Democracy (Churchill, FDR, and post war Western Europe) are all variants of the same thing and differ from their twin Capitalism only in their sense of timing.
Mr. Lee @14
Capitalism is not an ideology. Marx antithetically made it an ideology; thus, only in HIS narrative is it one. Capitalism, when it is usurped and utilized by one of the ugly sisters, usually fascism or social democracy, then morphs into corporatism. A pure capitalist, pursuing his interest in making and holding onto money would have taken no interest in Serbia or in Kosovo. He would not have invaded Iraq or Afphanistan. He would have simply cut the best deal possible with the dictator or oligarcy therein in power. A capitalist may or may not be a moral man in the Christian sense of the word. It is precisely this pretense of "morality" which makes the three ugly sisters so dangerous. Under the facade of a noble cause, usually built aroung the narrative of "race, gender, equality and/or social justice" they peddle their snake oil which is in fact the snake of which it would be the cure.
If we see capitalism as playing a roll in the terrible disasters of the 20th century -WWI, WWII, etc. - and now in this, it has always been in concert with one or more of the three ugly sisters.
I think I might learn Russian now.
The new flag of 'Kosova' is very, very, ugly. It shows very little imagination or ingenuity. Put this one up for adoption by international vexillologists as the ugliest flag in the world. It's the only one as ugly as that awful Georgia state flag of a few years back.
Britain recognised this bandit conspiracy calling itself a country? Ian Smith, recently passed on, must be spinning in his grave. The British PM should be forced to listen unendingly to the Rhodesian song, 'What A Time it Was', by Clem Tholet 'Ninety-Sixty-Five, the year of UDI.....what a time it was......' The name of betrayed kinsmen should bounce off the mountainsides and ring over the fields throughout Britain: 'Rhodesia!! Rhodesia!!!! RHODESIA!!!!!'
Britain, now but a puppet of it's former American colony, licks it's boots. Shame on it's leaders! It's as if Britannia's ugly, rebellious little slut of a child, a runaway, returned home with a bag of crank. Instead of whipping and shaming the little slut like any sensible mother should do, Britannia helped herself to the dope, and is now hopelessly addicted to the point that she will do anything her worthless daughter tells her to do so she can keep getting her fix.
Britain needs a new patriotic song:
'Lick, Britannia, lick those Yankee boots!
Britons shall very shortly be muslim slaves!'
I'm still working on one for the Yankee empire.........
'Land where all honour's died, land of all shame, no pride, from every mountainside, let evil ring!'
I have recently discovered this site, but I a devoted reader of your articles.
The Albanian history is very interesting : Albanians were the most feared and brutal warriors of the Ottoman Empire.During WWII their country was an Italian protectorate,and later on, an SS division was formed of ethnic Albanians (21 Scanderbeg). At the end of the war, they changed side, allied to the Soviets. In our times, Albania is the most loyal ally of the USA!
USA as a superpower, should be more careful when choosing allies.
With respect,
VK
P.s I find the use of term "Macedonia" when reffering to FYROM, very unfair to the Greek people.
Perhaps the eagerness of the USA to dismember Serbia/Yugoslavia will come back to haunt it---with a serious secessionist movement right here, in this country, backed by Russia, China, etc.! It would be poetic justice, don't you think?
(BTW, I'm from Georgia, and though not a member of the League of the South at present, I'm in sympathy with the League.)
Paul (#19) you're on to something. If Putin is considering recognizing Abkhazia and South Ossetia, heck, maybe we can get him to recognize Alabama, South Carolina,........
(Raise the St. Andrew flag, boys)
I second the mostion of Paul D. Alexander and Rublev's Dog!
I think you guys are on to something here. If Kosovo can secede from Serbia, why not Scotland from the UK? There are a bunch of guys in Vermont who want to secede and form the Second Vermont Republic. There's an Alaskan Independence Party and a group that wants to restore the kingdom to an independent Hawai'i. There's also an independent New Hampshire movement, as well as groups which want Texas and California to become independent republics as they once were. And don't forget the Conch Republic on Key West. While the t-shirts one can buy on the Outer Banks of North Carolina advertising "The Republic of Okracoke" are a little tongue in cheek, there's a real sentiment behind them.
I don't know how many of their fellow citizens share the views of these folks, but why not? I would eagerly await the semantic twisting and turning of those who would try to explain to us why Kosovo must be allowed to depart in peace but the Southern states weren't in 1861 or why Vermont shouldn't be allowed to do so now.
Sean Connery presently lives in the Carribean and says he will go back to his native Scotland if it ever becomes independent. Well, that would make me vote for independence if I were a Scot!
I have noticed several travel type TV shows that I have watched and noticed that the Cross of St. Andrew is being flown alot more in Scotland than the Union Jack.
Scotland forever! Long live the Conch Republic and the Republic of Ocracoke!
Take a gander at the naval jack of the Russian Navy (of course, we Americans know it as that "other" flag). There is a connection here......
Mr. Kontogeorgakos,
Agreed and said differently: The Albanians have been totally opportunistic and obediant to whatever great power has wielded influence over the Balkans and have absolutely no historical record of principled behavior whatsoever.
Even their newly found "secularism" in Kosovo is a convenient placation of the neo-marxist Eurocrats who frown on faith.
As to FYROM, perhaps Greece makes a valid point about names but the issue will soon be moot because most of that country is de facto annexed by Albania and the rest will go to Bulgaria. How can one believe otherwise when the Albanian flag flies high and the gangs physically control the north and west while a former slavic prime minister obtains Bulgarian citizenship?
I wonder what Connery thinks of the EU... A free Scotland sounds grand if it is really free, but I fear Scotland would fare better joined to England than to the EU.
Atm the UK is in the EU, but I'm expecting a secession any day now
When will Pat just flat out say the truth? Israel & the U.S. are the new nazis, with a Stalinist twist. Stalin said 'with the advent of moving pictures, in terms of such convincing propaganda, I can rule the world.' The new nazis flat out and simply rule this very way Stalin suggested via the American media. It's that simple. Sometimes the simple eludes us. On the other hand sometimes the allegedly simple is simplistic or shallow. It's the former in this case not the latter. We ARE the nazis. Period, end of 'story.' (I'm not - I take exception - i've always been OPPOSED.) so there.
Marty @ 22
There is a huge and compelling difference between Kosovo on the one hand and Scotland or Vermont on the other. The latter were sovereign states who acceded to unions or compacts. They can also secede from those unions and compacts, even when the union or compact is thereunto resistive as was Mr. Lincoln. States can do that. Kosovo was never a state. It was and is a region within a sovereign state. The majority of the Albanians who came into that region of Serbia known as Kosovo over the last 150 years did not come at the invitation of the indigenous population of Serbs. Most of the Serbs who left the region did not do so of their own volition.
At state is not a group of nomands, coming at once or over time, into someone else's established terrritory. Nor is a state some abstration, although some define it as that. Nor is it the government or the gray bureacracy which works at the behest of a government. A state is the Gestalt of an indigenous people living over long periods of time in a territory and of the unique relationship which they have with the land in custom, tradition and culture.
A good comparison would be what Lincoln did to Virginia. Virginia was a sovereign state. Lincoln was the aggressor against that sovereign state. He ripped from it a region, today, called West Virginia without the consent of the people of Virginia. He was to Virginia what the U.S., the EU, NATO and the U.N. are to Serbia; an aggressor acting immorally and unlawfully.
mr. peters i agree. in my mind's eye after my post i'd knew you'd cue up about it - you can rely on gnostics for the correct moral choices. it's just that you don't usually get it - when it's BOTH. in this case it is a binary choice - either OR - not any synthesis of both... Except for the christians to keep those within their borders whose very religious ideology is to OVERTHROW by any means other faiths, under control. by the way, that not only includes islam but judaism as well which professes to do so (overthrow other faiths by whatever means.) that's why we christians suffer so - when jews run free. we 'think' they're like us - live and let live - to the contrary their ideology is the same as islam's. Both ARE anachronistically TRIBAL. tHEY won't debate it - because to do so would thow LIGHT on what IS. have a nice day. ... p.s. rather since they don't REALLY hold the ideal of free speech at heart - their strategy is GET CONTROL of the MEDIA ...and tell what to them in behalf of their supremacy are "pious lies." you see it's ok in their mind's eye - after all they're (as in any tribe dealing with the 'others') - they're the victims ... or so their PRESS will aver. beware mr. peters when it's BOTH.
McCain said when he looked in Putin's eyes he saw "KGB". I say when we look in McCain's eyes we see "KLA".As I've said before ,Russia is not our enemy and McCain is not our friend.If the Serbs stay united and defiant and closely allied to Russia and kindred,mainly Orthodox, peoples and nations they will easily outlast the crumbling dhimmi states of the West.Perhaps someday the Cossacks will return to liberate Paris-not from Bonaparte but from Mohammed.And so it may not be a bad idea for European Christians to learn Russian!
Kosovo is less like Virginia than Massachusetts, which was also overrun and made unrecognizeable by alien hordes, and during much the same period. *That* Commonwealth voted for Smith in 1928, and for that Stalinist (who called Lincoln his hero) the next four times, which Americans simply didn't do. Though her Electors returned to the Yankee-party fold in 1952, her Senate seat went that year to an alien family of an alien race in the aliens' party, by whom it is still held.
I'm surprised to see good words used for Sean Connery here. He went on the BBC to argue that, because Scottish constables ignored the warnings of a Scottish gun club about a mad Scottish member thereof, after which said Scot murdered a passel of Scottish bairns, the Scot prime minister must be supported in his efforts to take pistols away from Englishmen.
Many good Americans see Connery as the scum of the earth:
http://www.gunsandammomag.com/second_amendment/six_degrees_hypocrisy/
Right on, Brock.
I think the Serbs should send their troops into Kosovo. Russia and China will back them up because of precedent it would set for Chechnya and Taiwan to follow. The Euros are cowards. What are they going to do?
How would Bush respond? Start another war? That's unrealistic. North Korea exploded a nuclear bomb in his face and he did nothing. WW4 Podhoretz has been chomping at the bit to attack Iran. He still hasn't got his way. Chavez has been in our face for years. Ortega is back in power in Nicaragua.
The emperor has no clothes. The USA is not what it used to be. We can't afford another war, much less a serious one. Go for it.
I fear the empire would too readily bomb Serbia again. It might be wise for Serbia to wait till the empire has more fully collapsed; time is on their side in that regard.
Frank @ 33:
The American Empire is collapsed enough. What stands permanently in Serbia's way are those God-forsaken creatures NATO and the U.N. They will still be standing when America as a sovereign geopolitical entity, and especially as an empire, fades with a pathetic whimper into the history books. Then it will be the North American Union of the U.S., Canada, and Mexico collaborating with the self-loathing E.U., NATO, and the U.N. in carrying out the Final Solution on Serbia, one of the last patriotic beacons of hope in all of Western civilization. One other is Russia, which I do count as being a member nation of the West. That is, of course, another debate in and of itself. My point is, in disagreement with Frank, that there is no time whatsoever on the side of the Serbs.
As usual Pat Buchanan writes the truth. It's truly terrifying to see a complete idiot like the current occupant of the White House making statements about things of which he has no understanding. He was positively tongue-tied when attempting to address the Cuban issue today.
I concur with Brock. Serbia is the lamb led to slaughter for the sake of the international community.
The social structure of the U.S. wont last long enough for America to be incorporated into a North American union. The power base of the elites is crumbling and their power will go with it as a new order - a real new world order not contrived by said elites, but arising naturally - emerges.
The EU and NATO face the same fate. All are houses of cards waiting to be pushed over.
Serbian attack backed by Russia - whether or not China gets involved - would do exactly what an attack on Iran by the U.S. would do. It would cause the end of the empire and U.S. pretensions to hegemony.
Serbia might be wise to wait a few years, but I dont think it's necessary. I smell opportuny here and sense a rightness of timing. Bring Russia in and go for it.
I do realize there are differences between Kosovo and say, Scotland or an American state. What I mean is that all these people like our president saying whoopie for Kosovo, what would they say to Vermont or any other state trying to leave? There's a double standard here.
As far as West Virginia, I am a Virginian and I agree that West Virginia was made a state illegally but we don't want it back. Apologies to any West Virginians on here but economically, you'd be a drag on us.
As far as alien hordes in Massachusetts, are you referring to the Irish? As the great granddaughter of an Irish immigrant, I am not too happy about that, though my great grandfather emigrated to Baltimore, not Massachusetts. Although I think we'd be better off if Patrick Kennedy had never left Ireland......
With a vast knowledge of poor geography the region of Kosovo played a vital role for thousands of years. During the first centuries of the 7th millennium BC about year 6800 is start of carbon dating of the pottery and artifacts at Lepenski Vir - Eastern Serbia. According to the Communist brainwash history Serbians moved to the present day Serbia only about 6th or 7th Century AD. If this were true than all the carvings at Lepenski vir were done by wolves, lions, giraffes and other wild life. The people who lived in this region were mainly hunters gatherers just like elsewhere in Europe - their language was not entirely uniform their clothing and folklore was varied and they did not call themselves Serbs - but Serbs they were. Less than 500 miles to the North East was the birthplace of Count Vlad Tepes (the Impaler) thousands of years after the Lepenski vir and the villages there are named Bistrica (river in Kosovo), Bukovina, Salaj, Dol - all Serbian words clear to anyone that knows even the most elementary Serbian language. According to my primitive math Serbians were the native peoples of the region for over 9,000 years, but their center of power was shifting and it was probably around the time of the Celtic invasion (bordering today's Greece) that Serbs intermarried the same hard-working Celtic tribes, had open communications with Alexander the Great and his teacher Aristotle, his military brainpower Pericles, after which they get conquered by the Romans retreating to the North with the Celts. Going north from today's Salonika in a pretty straight line we see many Serb's or Sorboi's villages and signs. Sankt Andrew village close to Budapest was almost entirely Serbian. Budim - before it was joined by Pest was predominantly Serbian. Bratislava's northern Danube border has villages within Gorsky Park (pronounced Horsky Park) with many Serbian last names. Lublin in Poland has some small minority of Serbian (non-Catholic) families too, while just North-west from there there is a German province Lusatia (Luzice) which is even according to today's Germans populated by Sorboi (Serbs). A pot was found in Denmark with the exact carving of the confluence of Sava to Danube rivers along with the Veliko Ratno ostrvo island - those handicrafts could not have been made by tigers, wolves and giraffes - or why would the Danes bother with geography 2000 miles to the south? Retreating to the North the Celts returned to their ancestral homes within the British Isles. Queen Boudicca’s desperate battle against the Romans was lost and London (Londinium) was the Northernmost Roman province, while the Celts stayed in today's Ireland and Scotland.
In musical terms the development of musical instruments (which originated in China, travelled to India, followed by Persia and in their attacks on Greece many of those instruments became adopted by the local Serbians. Not only is the musical five note scale quinta dominant among the Serbs, Irish and Scottish but the single pipe straight flute, single string instruments (gusle), bagpipes (gajde), fiddle, rhythm, tonality which is clearly noticeable from the ancient Kosovo songs if you ever look up recordings of the Iskon musical group from Serbia singing mainly original Kosovo songs. Some of their songs can be found here: http://youtube.com/watch?v=yok-gzmfrbE&feature=related
Lepenski Vir at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lepenski_Vir
Map of Transylvania: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.sunshineestates.net/reg_sum/reg_sum_images/romania/map-transylvania.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.sunshineestates.net/reg_sum/transylvania.html&h=462&w=620&sz=24&tbnid=atcx07NlJzrOWM:&tbnh=101&tbnw=136&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtransylvania%2Bmap%26um%3D1&start=3&sa=X&oi=images&ct=image&cd=3
Not counting the Serbian born Roman Emperors Diocletian, Constantine and Justinian, first Serbian post Roman Emperor was Dusan Stefan whose kingdom stretched from Salonika to Belgrade and whose title was Tsar of all the Greeks and Serbs Dusan Stefan. Next four generations of Serbian monarchs was all from Kosovo proper, where the last one Knez Lazar Hrebeljanovic lost his life and battle for Serbia against the Ottoman empire June 28th, 1389. That same battle was lost again just the other day.
Besides the undisputed fact that Constantine the Great born in Nis (Naisus) was a Serb and the First Roman emperor to embrace Christianity and bring it to Europe also by building a city in Greece called Constantinopolis - today's Istanbul.
It was only around the end of the 12 century that united Serbian tribes found their ethnic background, language, music, folklore, etc. From that day on Serbia was always an ethnically dominant presence in this part of Europe.
I admit that this type of writing is both boring and Academic and not the least bit entertaining (except for my typos) - but it is factual and largely unknown around the world.
Not only is this the first time in the world that a lost battle was lost again 7 centuries later, but it is a terrible reminder that aside from God's grace the Devil's presence is very strong and it takes many forms - when a cradle of Christianty it given to Islam with the blessing of the Vatican, France, Germany, US, Italy, Belgium, etc.
Re: #29, from Leo, who says ". . . perhaps someday the Cossacks will return to liberate Paris, not from Bonaparte but from Mohammed. And so it may not be a bad idea for European Christians to learn Russian." Leo, go back and learn what happened to the Cossacks: read "Operation Keelhaul" (Epstein), "The Last Secret" (Bethell), and maybe even the somewhat controlversial Nikolai Tolstoy's "Secret Betrayal", and then you will understand why Solzhenitsyn gave a speech at Liechtenstein (see "Solzhenitsyn Reader"; the speech makes good reading). The Cossacks won't be coming; they "knew Russian" but it didn't help them.
Re:#36,from Howard,who apparently thinks the "Cossack" or White Army experience with World War II is relevant to our discussion,I can't even "imagine" your point. Will Munich come up in the discussion?I understand enough about Solzhenitsyn to know he would understand my reference to the Cossacks and Paris.It is a long held prophecy of the Orthodox church.It isn't meant to assert I've been gifted with the "vision"...but it's a nice thought and many of the readers understood it even if you couldn't.As far as learning Russian goes,it beats Arabic lessons.
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"... Serbia might be wise to wait a few years, but I don't think it’s necessary. I smell opportunity here and sense a rightness of timing. Bring Russia in and go for it. ..."
This is probably an accurate assessment.
An obstacle to this at present is the quisling 1/2 of the Serbian government, Tadic & Co., as the other 1/2, Dr. Kostunica and his team, has a limited room to maneuver. Even so, coming events just may take us by surprise. Yesterday's daily Pravda had an article, http://english.pravda.ru/print/world/europe/104128-kosovo_independence-0 , containing the following passage:
"...
Serbians living in Kosovo’s north also refused to recognize Pristina’s declaration of independence. Specialists predict massive riots, pogroms and massacres in the region. “Belgrade would obviously like to avoid any actions, but it won’t be able to sit on its hands because it will lose its power immediately. Therefore, the government of Serbia will have to make certain decisions to defend their country-fellows in Northern Kosovo. NATO will most likely stand up against the Serbs and turn a blind eye on pogroms organized by Albanians,” expert with the Institute of Europe of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Pavel Kandel said in an interview with the Vremya Novostei newspaper.
..."
Leo: re: your #39, I think you are drawing too much out of my post!
I understood you to be using a bit of hyperbole in citing the Cossacks in your earlier post #29; I had no idea that your reference to the Cossacks and Paris stemmed from "a long held prophecy of the Orthodox Church" (I am no expert on prophecies of the Orthodox Church). And, though I have reexamined my words, I can find nothing to suggest that I inferred that you had been gifted with "the vision". And Munich will not come up in the discussion, unless you bring it up - but then, you already have. . .
Now, as to the relevance of the "'Cossack' or White Army experience with World War II" (Leo, the White Army died as a viable organization when the Bolsheviks won the Russian Civil War, some years before World War II), my only point was simply to bring up the fact that the "Cossacks" - that (for most Westerners) seldom thought of, dimly imagined fierce warrior group employed by the Czars and generally a part of the White Armies during the Russian Civil War - had ceased to exist, and how that came to be. Fiercely warlike, perhaps fiercely Christian - and betrayed, by a West indulging its double standard. You see, Leo, you could have used that . . . but then again, perhaps not.
Solzhenitsyn's understanding of a reference to (am I getting this right?) a prophecy of the Orthodox Church I will not argue; he seems a religious Orthodox Christian, and I know very little about Orthodox Christianity (and I would have no desire to argue it anyway). My point in citing his speech was to underscore the fact that he well knows and commemorates the fate of the Cossacks - and the other Russians handed over by the West to the Soviet Russians for punishment and death.
Thus, for those who are interested, a trail to follow to further "fill in" their understanding of that historical group of people, "the Cossacks." And perhaps a cautionary note about simply "throwing ourselves" (figuratively) "into the arms" of the Russians, just yet.
I understood your point completely, Leo, though I am not sure you will "imagine" mine.
Ok,Howard ,fair enough.I probably should have said White emigres instead of White Army.Nevertheless,I was a bit concerned there was a reopening of the controversial collaboration with Hitler.Let's face it the Cossacks were used and abused by everyone-bolsheviks and nazis.I do however think that the return of an Orthodox Russia and Europe could be one of the most amazing things in my lifetime and will absolutely be critical to saving that continent from Islam.That struggle is only,what,1400 years old and frankly Russia appears always on the right side-turning back the Mongols,liberating Greece and the Balkans,fighting the Ottomans,etc.Now that the atheists are out in Moscow,I frankly see a resurgently Orthodox Russia standing up for say Serbia and also Armenia.There is very little "strategic" benefit in thedoing--except maybe the "remarkable" idea that we are better off keeping one's kindred alive.
Eastern Orthodoxy is the natural enemy of the global unionists. It is ancient, tradition bound, mystical, emotional, a natural companion to patriotism and nationalism. It cannot be allowed to flourish in the face of a movement that depends for success on the destruction of patriots and national pride. Thus are Russia and its patriot leader the target of Bush and his neocons. Thus must Serbia serve as an example to all that oppose the globalist dream. Moslems, on the other hand, are no threat to global expansionism. They are wholly incapable of establishing coherent nations as their culture does not appreciate the concept. They are cultural nomads, best suited to a system that has no boarders, no loyalties except as it suits them for the moment or for small clan family groups. In fact, insofar as the disease of Islam serves to rot out existing nations and hasten their demise, Islam can serve the ends of the globalists. In the end, will the globalists be able to check the disease after it has outlived its usefulness?
On another point, I wonder if the US will do the honorable thing and gladly allow the Anschutz with Mexico of our Southwestern regions when it becomes an ethnically Mexican region with legitimate aspirations to union with and reestablishment of historic Mexico. We cannot do less then we did for Kosovo. Or will it be moot point at that time since we will have already been absorbed into oblivion?
Re: Dave Kamka @ 43:
"Moslems, on the other hand, are no threat to global expansionism. They are wholly incapable of establishing coherent nations as their culture does not appreciate the concept. They are cultural nomads, best suited to a system that has no boarders, no loyalties except as it suits them for the moment or for small clan family groups. In fact, insofar as the disease of Islam serves to rot out existing nations and hasten their demise, Islam can serve the ends of the globalists. In the end, will the globalists be able to check the disease after it has outlived its usefulness?"
The answer, Dave, is no, they will not be able to check the disease. The disease will spread and overtake most of the world, stabbing the current leaders of the international globalist movement in the back. It is the world's fastest-growing religion and its adherents reproduce like rabbits. The West, on the other hand, is reproducing like California condors. The globalists are building an international imperial system that the Muslim descendants of Ishmael will inherit from them. They will be in control of the U.N. and all other positions of power. I can't say for sure whether the current globalist elites realize this or not, if, perhaps, they are simply carrying out this agenda out of self-hatred, out of an attitude which affirms that it is high time for the wretched West to fade with a whimper into history. The fact is, the globalists of the present day are overwhelmingly non-Arab and non-Muslim, in fact, a large percentage are a religious archenemy of Muslims, Jewish neocons. But you're right. For those globalist foreign policy elites, Muslims are perfect sheep to be shepherded into the globalist system, as they do not have national allegiances, only religious ones.
Western culture has to realize that it has a side. Human rights and other non-culturally sensitive "universal" international concepts obscure the fact that cultural diversity is real. Islam is and has been the enemy of Western civilization nearly since its inception. We should not be supporting Islamic enclaves in our homelands. Bush's act shows a profound lack of historical and culturist understanding.
http://www.culturism.us
"I am outraged by the mob attack against the US embassy in Belgrade," Zalmay Khalilzad told reporters, adding he would seek condemnation by the UN Security Council.
"The embassy is sovereign US territory. The government of Serbia has a responsibility under international law to protect diplomatic facilities, particularly embassies."
UNBELIEVABLE! The gall of American politicians. They are instrumental in tearing up a sovereign country, aiding terrorist organization such as UCK or KLA as they are called and than have the gall to yell wolf. These politicians should be arrested and tried for endangering the whole world with their arrogant policies.
Pro-Serbs might want to respond to this:
'Heroic' Serbs Storm U.S. Embassy in Belgrade
@46steven Zalmay Khalilzad is the no1 man to Zbignew Brezinski the father of international islamic terrorism.
Matra,
Read Mr. Scwartz's piece. I've studied 20th century Balkan history at length. His is an unfounded propoganda manefesto for the K.L.A. It lacks an essential element: truth.
I've yet to see an independant source produce the casualty rates in the Balken conflict spanning the 90's. Serbian ( and orthodox antagonist ) never site sources for their deamonization.
Never ceases to amaze that the only two national entities permitted to force nationalism down others' throats are the U.S., and the tail that wags the American dog, Isreal. All others beware! You're bound to be labeled nazis, fascist, et al., ye pariah of the International Community.
@ Matra you wrote:
Pro-Serbs might want to respond to this:
‘Heroic’ Serbs Storm U.S. Embassy in Belgrade
They won't it's not there fault you see. The UN pushed the Serbs to commit this act of Terrorism. Yes, Terrorism. Is the what the Chronicles readers want--- Terrorism? Wrap yourselves in a Serb flag. You chronicle readers should be ashamed of yourselves. See what Serb Nationalism gets you? Serb Nationalism is not going to save you. It’s not a preserver of “culture” it’s not your political Messiahs sent to bring down the New World Order.
One described that most of the injured protesters were "extremely drunk."
No kidding. What else does the Serb Nationalists have in store.. oh yeah… breaking into a McDonald's restaurant and demolishing the interior.
Yeah, way to go Chronicles & Mr. Pat Buchanan. Roman Catholics should have no business defending these Serb creeps. Time for confession Mr. Pat Buchanan you have caused a scandal to another Roman Catholic. So much for a Latin Mass attending Catholic and his geo-political savvy.
The US State department should take a closer look at “Chronicles”
You guys really blew it.