Kosovo: A New Day of Infamy for a New Century
The grotesque charade in Pristina on Sunday, February 17, crowned a decade and a half of U.S. policy in the former Yugoslavia that has been mendacious and iniquitous in equal measure. By encouraging its Albanian clients go ahead with the unilateral proclamation of independence written at the Department of State, the U.S. administration has made a massive leap into the unknown. That leap is potentially on par with Austria’s July 1914 ultimatum to Serbia. The fruits will be equally bitter. While their exact size and taste are hard to predict right now, that in the fullness of time America will come to regret the criminal folly of her current leaders is certain. Their Balkan policy is worse than a crime: It is a mistake.
Having devoted seven News & Views columns to Kosovo over the past year I have little to add to the sordid story of Western deceit, allied with Albanian barbarity, that has culminated in the spectacle in Pristina. Suffice to say that Belgrade vs. Washington, in this particular instance, is the clearest-cut case of “white hats vs. black hats” in today’s world affairs.
Some prominent Americans with no cultural or personal axes to grind are trying, even at this late stage, to check the insanity. Writing in the usually interventionist Wall Street Journal on February 9, Ruth Wedgwood, one of America’s foremost legal scholars, thus warned of the “dangerous precedent to tear apart the territory of a member state of the United Nations”—a move that may cause an unnecessary crisis when America is overengaged elsewhere. “Kosovo’s best (and perhaps only) chance to join Europe’s economy is to ride in as a part of Serbia,” she says, but it is more likely to join the Organization of the Islamic Conference instead. In addition, Wedgwood warns, Kosovo’s proclamation may well destabilize the Old Continent, from Bosnia and Macedonia to Abkhazia and South Ossetia.
NOT IN THE AMERICAN INTEREST—“An imposed settlement of the Kosovo question and seeking to partition Serbia’s sovereign territory without its consent is not in the interest of the United States.” While my friends and I have expressed this view many a time, it was recently stated with greater prominence by John R. Bolton, Peter W. Rodman and Lawrence Eagleburger. Writing in the Washington Times, the three heavyweights called for urgent re-examination of U.S. policy on Kosovo and urged the Bush administration to make it clear that, pending the results of such re-examination, it would withhold recognition of any independence declaration:
Current U.S. policy relies on the unconvincing claim that Kosovo is “unique” and would set no precedent for other troublespots… [E]thnic and religious minorities in other countries already are signaling their intention to follow a Kosovo example. This includes sizeable Albanian communities in adjoining areas of southern Serbia, Montenegro, and especially Macedonia, as well as the Serbian portion of Bosnia-Herzegovina. Recognition … would set a precedent with far-reaching and unpredictable consequences for many other regions of the world. The Kosovo model already has been cited by supporters of the Basque separatist movement in Spain and the Turkish-controlled area of northern Cyprus. Neither the Security Council nor any other international body has the power or authority to impose a change of any country’s borders.
The trio further warned that the current U.S. policy is marked by a dismissive attitude toward Russia’s objections: The United States should not prompt an unnecessary crisis in U.S.-Russia relations, lest Russia withdraws her support on issues such as Iran’s and North Korea’s nuclear intentions. Such cooperation would be undercut by American action calculated to neutralize Moscow’s legitimate concerns regarding Kosovo. On an issue of minor importance to the U.S., they ask, “is this a useful expenditure of significant political capital with Russia?”
Bolton, Rodman and Eagleburger predict that a self-proclaimed “independent state” of Kosovo will be “a dysfunctional one and a ward of the international community for the indefinite future.” It is plagued by rampant corruption and organized crime and a nonviable economy, they point out. Its law enforcement, integrity of the courts, protection of persons and property, and other prerequisites for statehood are “practically nonexistent.” Unilateral declaration of independence recognized by some countries and rejected by many others would only make matters worse by turning Kosovo into yet another “frozen conflict.”
The authors conclude by predicting that, “faced with a choice between Western partnership and defense of their sovereign territory and constitution,” Serbia would opt for the latter and inevitably move closer to Russia as its only protector.
“WHO LOST SERBIA?”—That Serbia is lost to the West is now certain. President Boris Tadic’s narrow victory (51 percent) in the second round of the presidential election in Serbia on February 3 was entirely due to his claim that, as an enthusiastically pro-Western reformist, he could obtain less brutal treatment for Serbia from Brussels and Washington than his “ultra-nationalist” opponent.
In Washington Tadic’s victory was hastily interpreted as a sure sign that the Serbs are throwing in the towel, and that, therefore, the scenario for independence should go ahead. (Had Tomislav Nikolic of the Serbian Radical Party won, they would have said that the scenario should be applied post haste because Serbia is irredeemably nationalist and should be taught a lesson.)
Far from indicating Serbia’s readiness to “accept the inevitable” and sling into the vivisection kennel, however, Tadic’s victory was the last chance for the U.S. and the EU to stop the trainwreck. The anger against the U.S. and the EU will translate into the well-deserved electoral demise for Tadic’s Democratic Party (Demokratska stranka, DS) at the next parliamentary election. That election is now imminent in the next few months.
Serbia’s mood was evident in Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica’s somber speech to the nation, broadcast immediately after the proclamation in Pristina. He said that the “unilateral declaration of the fake state of Kosovo represents the final act of a policy initiated in 1999 with NATO aggression.” He accused the United States of a “merciless violation of international order”:
America humiliated and forced Europe Union to discard its basic principles. Europe bowed before America, and it will be held responsible for all the consequences that will arise from Kosovo’s independence.
It is difficult to make forecasts about Belgrade’s forthcoming responses—not least because they are treated as closely guarded secrets—but the following sequence of events is, in my opinion, at least less unlikely than any other:
- The inherent schizophrenia splitting the ruling coalition in Serbia will be subjected to intolerable strains in the next few weeks, primarily over the issue of how to respond to the forthcoming acts of recognition by the United States and leading EU countries. Kostunica favors weighty moves, while Tadic and his ministers will insist on empty gestures—e.g. withdrawing ambassadors from Western capitals—that fall far short of breaking diplomatic relations.
- The resulting election will mark the long-overdue demise of the DS, with its worn out Euro-rhetoric that has yielded zero dividends over the past eight years. The winners will be the Radicals (SRS) and Kostunica’s Democratic Party of Serbia (DSS). They will either form a long-overdue coalition, or else Kostunica will try to form a national unity government in which the Radicals will be represented (and from which Tadic and his DS will stay away because their “friends” in Brussels and Washington would never allow them to be in the same room with Nikolic).
- The entity proclaimed in Pristina will be recognized by the United States, by most of the Islamic world—which will find itself aligned, yet again, with America in promoting Islam and fighting Christianity in the Balkans—and by about a half of the European Union’s 27 members. Washington will claim to have the “international community” behind it, but in order to do so many small and weak countries, from Haiti to Tonga to Vanuatu, will be bribed, cajoled, or bullied into recognition.
- “KosovA” will NOT be recognized by Russia, China, India, Brazil, Indonesia (the most populous Muslim country), by most of black Africa, and by at least half-dozen EU member-countries. The non-recognizing countries’ population will exceed by two-to-one that of the Willing. The “international community” will be finally seen for what it is: an empty slogan, an invention of Washingtonian hegemonists and Euro-globalists devoid of substance or authority.
- Kosovo will linger on for a few years, as an expensive albatross costing American and “willing” taxpayers a few billion a year. It will continue developing, not as a functional economy but as a black hole of criminality and Jihad terrorism. The ever-rising and constantly unfulfilled expectations of its unemployable multitudes will eventually turn—Frankenstein’s monster-like—against the entity’s creator. There will be many Ft. Dixes to come, at Camp Bondsteel and at home.
- The precedent of Kosovo will destabilize many countries with restive and separatist-minded minorities, including America’s friends in Turkey (Kurds), Pakistan (Pashtuns), and above all in the ever-dysfunctional Dayton-Bosnia, with no dividend of any kind in the Islamic world as a whole for the United States on the account of its championing the Muslim cause in the Balkans.
The U.S.-led Kosovo policy in the end will prove to be a blessing in disguise for Serbia. Only by NOT joining the European Union will she preserve her identity, her traditions, and her faith. Only by NOT joining the U.S.-hegemonized system of military alliances will she avoid having her youths put in harm’s way for nothing, in some arid, hostile faraway lands. Only by forging an ever-tighter political, economic, and eventually military alliance with Russia will Serbia avoid the clutches of a postmodern “American” empire devoid of a single redeeming feature.
God sometimes acts in mysterious ways, and on this 21st Century Day of Infamy, February 17, we should ask for His mercy and thank Him for his blessings. Kosovo had remained Serbian during those five long centuries of Ottoman darkness, to be liberated in 1912. It is no less Serbian now, the ugly farce in Pristina notwithstanding. It will be tangibly Serbian again when the current experiment in Benevolent Global Hegemony collapses and when the very names of Messrs. Bush, McCain and Clinton are deservedly consigned to the dustheap of history.
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Daar lisa,
You Albanians are not "Illirian"; you are just CHETYANS who arrived with their masters the Turks... as your simple and oddly common language proves.
And since Kosovo is a Serbian word... just changing the last letter to an 'A' does NOT make it Chetyon.
@103 Here again, the arrogance of Albanians seems to have no ends.
Someone asked do the serbs have any fight left in them. Today they set fire to the American embassy in Belgrade thinking on the lines i guess when large countries pay no heed to laws then why should a small country.
When i saw a photograph of president Clinton head bowed in front of a monument to Al-Qaeda in a Serb village inscriptions in Arabic this made me search out the truth.
The USA EUSSR UK NATO i can never trust again. when now i see lots of burka or hijab clad women and bearded men on the streets of Kosovo demos where 5000 jihadist protest last saturday my fears are realised an islamic state in Europe.
The guy that relies on the BBC for news don't!
After days of rioting muslims in Denmark where schools were burned down the police attacked with molotov cocktails the BBC chose not to bother giving this a mention at all.
Their EU masters are in charge and they in turn bow to their Arab masters.
Our banking systems are going over to sharia laws across the globe. it feels to me like we've been sold down the river by the traitors within.
sharia watch financial..try to use anything other than a google search engine.
God-Bless the Serbian. people my head hangs in shame today!
SIOE UK.
With modern genetic testing someone could test the Albanians to determine just whom they're most closely related to. Fuzzy myths of origin no longer need to be fuzzy.
Since it sounds like the Albanians are driven partly by this mythos of a special lineage, perhaps a Serb could undertake such a study to shatter this false identity... if indeed it's false
It has been attempted by the Albanians themselves, but since the results failed to provide any grist for the "Illyrian" mill, they were not publicized.
"Daniel," "Lisa": no need to use Western names to write your opinion.
You are free to use your Muslim name, nobody can see you here!
Re # 106 Frank
Albanians are not Illyrians...! Prof. Peter Maher wrote in the Voice of Canadian Serbs (February 2008 issue)....
.....The modern Albanian lexicon is full of Greek, Slavic and Latin words. In 1990 I heard a lecture at the University of Ljubljana by a Kosovo Albanian professor from the University of Pristina : he demonstrated that Albanian is of northern origin since it shares with Rumanian, up on the Danube , and only with Rumanian, a set of some 60 vocabulary items that are not found in other languages of the region. Tsar Dushan was emperor of the Slavs and “Albanians”, but medievalists know that this term is geographical, not ethnic or linguistic. In Greek dialects of recent times the word can stand for Greeks and Albanians of the region. Lists of the soldiery of Venice designate as “Albanians” names that are mostly Greek, less often Albanian and Slavic. A Street behind the Doge’s Palace is still known for these troops – Via degli Albanesi.
In 1389 Albanians made up 2% of the population of Kosovo. Millennia before the Indo-European Slavs, Romans, Greeks, Albanians and others (e.g. Celts and Goths) arrived there, the Balkans had been inhabited by settlers from the eastern Mediterranean and, in addition, surviving (if any) late Ice Age hunters. Professor Marija Gimbutas [1921-1994], pre-historian, demonstrated that agricultural “Old European” civilizations go back to 7000 BC in the Balkans. No Indo-Europeans were there, hence no Illyrians, no Albanians, no Greeks, no Latins and no Slavs, regarding the languages involved. – However, DNA from the pre-Indo-Europeans is probably to be found yet among Balkan peoples, inherited from ancestors who intermarried with the newcomers.
Previous to Old European civilizations the Balkans were thinly inhabited by hunting bands, e.g. at the whirlpool of Lepenski Vir on the Danube in Serbia. A fairly up-to-date reference work, the Encyclopedia of Indo-European Culture summarizes:
“The Albanians occupy part of the former territory of the Illyrians. [So does Austria: JPM]. It is a possibility that today’s Albanian language continues the earlier Illyrian.” However, it continues, “such a connection is NOT DEMONSTRABLE. Illyrian is too little known and Albanian is first attested only in the fifteenth century, already having undergone very substantial phonological changes.” [J. P. Mallory and D. Q. Adams, Editors. 1997.. London & Chicago : Fitzroy Dearborn.]
Logically, it is equally possible that that the modern language called Albanian is NOT descended from ancient “Illyrian”. From all evidence, this is the only probable case.
If this disgraceful dhimmi action by the West has permanently alienated the Serbs from the EU,then Serbia has won.Kosovo is a place that can be recovered;once lost national identity is forever lost.Like the Serbs someday soon all European Christians may have to appeal to Orthodox Russia for help.Better to learn Russian than Arabic.As an American patriot and traditional Christian I look forward to the USA being thrown out of (inter alia) Europe.We don't support this pro-Islamic empire. Fighting to support the restoration of the traditional republic is ...well...patriotic.So...good show young Serbs!Burn our damn embassy down and send home the Minnesota National Guard(unless they want to volunteer for the Tsar Lazar Guard and stay).
Serbs are used to the hatred expressed by michael warning in his messages Nos. 51 and 53. He sounds as if he is from the US Government and he even insults the Serb religion. I am sick and tired of listening Wesley Clarke, Richard Holbrooke, Dan Serwer and others from the US who broke international law into pieces and still claim that Kosovo independence is legal - in accordance with the SC Resolution 1244(!?). These people should have been accused of war crimes. These people are shame for the US because they deceive their own people. The appeasment of Muslims by granting the independence to Kosovo at the Serbs' expense looks like appeasment of Hitler with Sudetland.
Does no one notice that the senior people in the Clinton and Bush administration as well as media are Jewish who are hardcore Supporters of Isreal yet pro Kosovo independence. This point should be made very clear. I bet Mr Flemming Rose (Danish Muhammed cartoon editor) is pro independence.
Re:#116
James, you hit the nail right on the head. Apparently, you and I are the only two bloggers on this site who see the real not-so-hidden power here.
It is unprecedented in world history, at least according to my knowledge of it, that a world power is the satellite of a regional power. That is precisely the relationship that exists between the United States of America and Israel.
America, for all practical purposes, is pursuing Jewish interests, and not real American interests, in supporting the mostly secular Muslims in the former Yugoslavia.
The Israelis and the world Jewish community obviously have a powerful interest in trying to mitigate Muslim (and Arab) anger directed at them. The creation of a Jewish state in the heart of the Muslim world at the expense of the mostly Palestinian Muslims has greatly antagonized and alienated the world's Muslims. And America's blind and illogical support of that state adds fuel to the fire.
So in order to compensate for that, even in some small way, the Christian Serbs were to be targeted and their interests and even their identity were to be sacrificed. That explains America's support of the Bosnian Muslims as well as the Albanian Muslims in Kosovo.
The former Yugoslavia has no strategic value to the United States. First of all, they don't need Yugoslavia if they want to encircle Russia, because Yugoslavia does not border Russia. Second, the oil of the Caspian basin and Asia Minor in general could be in theory secured without dominating or controlling the former Yugoslavia.
That leaves as the only possible explanation for what has gone in Bosnia and Kosovo a desire on the part of America to pacify the Muslim world because of its nonsensical support of Israel.
One of the most recognizable people of Albanian descent was John Belushi-who was an orthodox Christian.
I saw an old SNL where Jim Belushi was doing a rap dance wearing an Albanian flag t-shirt.
Kostunica needs to get of his leagalistic A@# and move troops into northern Kosovo.
Some questions and answers:
Q: Are the Jews behind partition of Yugoslavia and Serbia?
A: Total nonsense. Reason is imperialism of great power of the current era, USA.
Q: Can Serbs Do Anything?
A: Not without fighting. History shows only great cost of blood to liberate from Turks, Germans, etc.
Q: Can Serbs win if they fight?
A: Yes. But they have to be ready to pay great price. In WW1 it was 1 in 3 males. This time it should not cost so much. Current empire has army of McChicken soldiers competent at beating up unarmed towelheads and Arab girls.
Q: Are Muslims the Enemy?
A: Not for Serbs. Maybe for eggheds like S. Trifkovic, who thinks that the enemy of racist America and Europe should be enemy of Serbs as well. Makes no sense. Serbs have lived with muslims peacefully and amicably and will continue to do so. All Serbs want is freedom in their own land.
Some good news:
2008/02/22 13:01:35 GMT, BBC
"...
*** Russia could use force in Kosovo ***
Russia's ambassador to Nato, Dmitry Rogozin, has warned that Russia could use military force if the Kosovo independence dispute escalates.
"If the EU develops a unified position or if Nato exceeds its mandate set by the UN, then these organisations will be in conflict with the UN," he said.
In that case Russia would "proceed on the basis that in order to be respected we need to use brute force", he said.
... ... ...
Russian media outcry
The EU will soon deploy 2,000 officials to strengthen law and order in Kosovo, which has a population of about two million. Russia argues that the mission has no legal basis.
There has been a furious reaction in some Russian media to Kosovo's declaration of independence.
A commentary in the Vesti Plus analytical programme, on state-run television, called the assassinated former Serbian Prime Minister, Zoran Djindjic, a Western puppet who had "received a well-deserved bullet".
It said Djindjic had sold national heroes to the International War Crimes Tribunal in The Hague.
The programme concluded that Serbia - and not only Serbia - must now decide whether to acquiesce in what has happened, or resist.
..."
(http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/mpapps/pagetools/print/news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7258801.stm )
Tadic could meet his friend Djindjic soon.
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Related:
Feb 22 2008 3:44PM, Interfax
Kosovo may split into two parts - Russian Foreign Ministry
http://www.interfax.ru/e/B/politics/28.html?id_issue=11975602
Feb 22 2008 9:59PM, Interfax
Recognizing Kosovo independence "terrible precedent" - Putin
http://www.interfax.ru/e/B/politics/28.html?id_issue=11975823
Kosovo has long been filled with an Albanian majority which is also racially superior to the Serbs. Albanians in Montenegro don't and as much going for them as the Kosovars because Montenegrins are basically the same as their Albanian minority- racially dinaric, manly, hard-headed, and violent. Most Serbs and Macedonian Bulgarians don't stand a chance being less sharp, more dull, ugly, and even physically weaker. Those are the facts.. And the day Europe stands against islam is the day every "muslim" Albanian gets baptised.
Mr. malesori is addressing Stevie Wonder I presume..............
Fact Check:
Malesori says Serbs "physically weaker" than Albanians.
Q: Which nation has tallest tallest average height of males?
A: Serbia and Republika Srpska, with average male height of 186 cm (6-1). Netherlands is second with young men averaging 6 ft. tall.
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2007/SimasCeckauskas.shtml
Albania is not mentioned. Known for shortness of stature, violence (domestic), low level of literacy.
@119Kumbaya
Q: Are the Jews behind partition of Yugoslavia and Serbia?
Yes they played a central role starting with U.S. Ambassador Warren Zimmerman who convinced Alija Izetbegovic (Bosnian-Muslim leader) to renounce the Lisbon agreement where croatian,serb and muslim leaders reached an agreement http://www.slobodan-milosevic.org/bosnia-started.htm
Plus jewish owned media especially ITN who created the fake death camp story who created the holocaust in europe concept which was aided by Simon Weisenthal who incouraged the US to intervene in Bosnia.
Plus the media which reported fake news stories of Serb atrocities while failing to mention that Bosnia was running large scale terrorist training camps with the likes of Iran which is largely jewish dominated.
Q: Can Serbs Do Anything?
No except highlight the fact that Jews who support Isreal hypocritically suppport pro independence kosovo.
Q: Can Serbs win if they fight?
No because due to US backed ethnic cleansing the Serb population of Kosovo is only about 5% now.
Q: Are Muslims the Enemy?
For Serbs they are who have been tortured, kidnapped and been bombed out of there villages and what we have now is a state involved in sex trafficing, heroin smuggling and a haven to terrorist groups.
The Big Picture
Q: What is the problem with the world today?
A: Occupation of territory and oppression of peoples by great imperial power. Kosovo, Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.
World History of last five centuries characterized by rise and expansion of white European -- especially Anglo -- conquest of worldwide territories and peoples.
Today's Empire, USA, is seamless continuation of British Empire -- self-named "Anglosphere" as proudly proclaimed by current Anglo-American "intellectuals." Has co-opted other racist European colonialist mini-empires in last century.
First four centuries of Anglosphere: Anglo conquest and colonization of North America, Australia, Africa, Asia. Accompanied by genocidal obliteration of indigenous peoples, importation of African slave labor en masse for plantations in US, Carribean.
Last century of Anglosphere: Steady drive to forcefully seize world commerce and trade. Domestic culture marked by racism, intolerance, faux superiority, moral degradation, physical degradation (obesity, substance abuse, declining education and intelligence).
Q: How Long Will Anglosphere Last?
A: Days Numbered. Like All empires in History, inevitable fall precipitated by weakening of moral fiber and character, rise of hubris, domestic tyranny, overstretch of foreign conquests and adventures.
Q: Can Serbs Challenge Empire and win?
A: Yes. History shows Serbs challenged and defeated two great empires, Ottoman and Germanic. Current Empire much weaker cloth.
Q: What is relevance of Anglosphere media?
A: None for Serbs. Anglosphere media only makes beasts of burden of own populace by putting blinders and nose ring on them -- leading them into their own enslavement.
Q: What is relevance of Jews?
A: None for Serbs. Jews play prominent role in Anglosphere appartus of power. A wise ancient people with a long history has made them tough and heartless. They occupy similar role as Greeks in Roman Empire. Will flee like rats from burning Anglosphere ship.
Q: Why is Anglosphere at war with Islam?
A: Are they? Or is Islamic world simply rebelling against chafing yoke of colonial rule? Mespotamia (Iraq) invaded and occupied how many times by Anglosphere this centruy? Historical Fact: First use of aviation as a weapon was against Arab civilians 97 years ago. Continues mercilessly to this day.
http://www.brushtail.com.au/july_04_on/bombing_arabs_history.html
Certain Poetic Justice in Arab success inflicting tiny bit of payback to Anglo opressor was through use of Anglo's own airplanes.
Q: Are muslims a problem for Serbs?
A: None whatsoever. Serbs handled muslims and showed them exit more than 100 years ago. Without Anglosphere empire, no Balkan muslims would consider making problems for Serbs. They know Serbs are tolerant, evenhanded and just. They have nothing to fear -- nothing to gain from conflict.
Serbs have kinship with oppressed Arab world. Religion not an issue. Mutual opression by Anglosphere makes us Brothers. Decades of good relations, economic cooperation with Angloshpere-opposed moderate Arab countries Iraq, Syria, etc.
Kumbaya you wrote:"Q: Can Serbs Challenge Empire and win?
A: Yes. History shows Serbs challenged and defeated two great empires, Ottoman and Germanic. Current Empire much weaker cloth."
This started in 1914 with Serbia desiring to be Greater Serbia. In 2008 it is now Lesser Serbia. But I will hold all of you serb defenders to your own words. To think that Lesser Serbia is somehow the political Messiahs sent to destroy the New World Order is just wishful thinking. How sad that many of you Chroincle readers have placed your last and best hope in Lesser Serbia.
Remember this past week events. This is how Lesser Serbia starts it's own destruction.
When Serbs start killing US Soldiers what will Cronicle readers think? It's ok?
In his politics, Aristotle said that bad beginings lead to a bad end.
The bad begining of a desried Serb "victory" was the destruction of a US Embassy.
Again as I said before you Serbs do not see what is coming.
Michael Warning leave Srdja Trifkovic alone for the moment. You sound like Richard Holbrooke anyway. Here is what Prof. Gary Leupp from Tufts University wrote on 19 February 2008 in his article "The Independence of Kosovo":
"U.S. allies weary of efforts to drag them into U.S. wars. U.S. imperialism confronts something of a crisis as its partners rethink where their real interests lie. The GDP of the EU now exceeds the U.S. figure. The euro is much stronger than the dollar. People everywhere hate the U.S. government, which they associate with war-promoting lies and general savagery. Bush is out of political capital, domestically and internationally, as Kosovo announces its independence, made possible by U.S. lies and bloody intervention, "threatening," as the Russians put it, "the foundations of a world order."
Everything dies eventually. Hitler's "New Order in Europe," Japan's "New Order in East Asia," George H. W. Bush's "New World Order" proclaimed as he launched the first Gulf War in 1990. The present world order is profoundly unfair and deserves to be threatened, by the right people, with a better alternative. But the assault on Yugoslavia in 1999 brought nothing positive; rather, more intolerance and suffering, more ethnic cleansing. A new regime emerges, applauded by its American sponsors and most of the EU (but rejected by Greece, Cyprus, Romania, Slovakia, Spain and Bulgaria). It is wrapped in smoke, in a legacy of smoldering churches. Smells like the cremation of a world order."
Read the whole article @ http://www.counterpunch.org, it will help you!
Gary Leupp is Professor of History at Tufts University, and Adjunct Professor of Comparative Religion.
@127 Boba: "There is no force, no threat, and no punishment big and hideous enough for any Serb, at any time, to say anything different but, Kosovo is Serbia! "Serbian Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica
From Ecclesiasticus 30:11:
"Give him not liberty in his youth, and wink not at his devices. Bow down his neck while he is young, and beat his sides while he is a child, lest he grow stubborn, and regard thee not,"
This above holy advice can be equally applied to the newly born independent Kosovo, with Lesser Serbia invading Kosovo less Kosovo become unrulely toward it's father Serbia.
Or most likey the above holy advice pertians to the unrulely Lesser Serbia nation which did not bow down it's neck to the West and therefore has grown stubborn and will regard the West not.
@ Mr. Goran
And Our Lady of Fatima said:
"In the end my Immaculate Heart will Triumph"
I will listen to Her on geo-political events, not some professor.
@ Mr Goran:
"People everywhere hate the U.S. government"Prof. Gary Leupp from Tufts University
Really? I do not hate the US Government. How can I or expected to? This is the land of my Birth. How foolish for anyone to say he hates his country.
Now Chronicle readers have joined the ranks of the anti-american left?
This is getting weird and strange. What is more important to American Born Citizens? Your own country or lesser Servia?
Michael Warning, love your country, but let others love theirs. Live and let live.
You are allowed to insult and spit out threats here. Great, I have no single objecton. That is democracy. What are you going to do: bomb Serbia again? It seems that you know nothing else to do.
Or may be I am mistaken? May be you will again promote hanging live on TV ("it is not us, it's Iraqis who did that") whoever that might be? Or, will you support your presidential candidate who publicly stated yesterday that he would like to see "Castro meet Karl Marx soon?" What sort of culture are we talking about in 21st century? Am I missing something?
You justify the theft of 15% of somebody else's territory and then blame those robbed for revolting. You blame Serbia for "invading Kosovo"!?? When did this happen? Do you know what you are talking about?
You say you read Dante. Which circle are you in?
Kumbaya surmises Mr. "Warning" is neither Anglo-American nor Albanian.
Tactless gloating and taunting characterstic of Croat personality.
Also note obsessive Catholicism.
Mr. Warning,
I'm not certain that Our Lady thought she was providing a resolution to the current Balkans mess when she spoke at Fatima. But since you do, I wonder, why all the disputations from you here? Given your apparent conception of the earlier events, one would think there's nothing for you to do now; certainly no need to waste your time squabbling with all these emails! Or does the resolution earlier provided somehow require your input now?
Mr Warning has succeeded, with his arrogance and insults, to lower the level of discussion on this thread. So does the silly question and answer format being used by the rather offensive 'Kumbaya', whoever he is. Take your arrogance and slanders lesewhere and leave us alone to discuss real issues.
For any Serb here, what is the mood of the people in your area at this time? Is there readiness for action or have they calmed down? Do you think any action will be forthcoming from the Serbian government? Have you seen anyhting that might portend some event? I ask this because of the bias and control of the media here in the Evil Empire keeps me from being sure about anything.
"The United States is the main culprit ... for all those violent acts," Serbia's Minister for Kosovo Slobodan Samardzic said.
Allen Wilson, thank you. He has not succeeded in anything but finally showing that he is Dante. He missed the thread.
Serbia always claimed that she was not for resolving this issue by use of force. There were about half a million people on the demonstrations on the 21st (according to todays police estimates). Those were peaceful demonstrations, but people are generally angry and some events went out of control. The anger errupted. It is calm now, but demonstrations are held all the time. Yesterday and today in Northern Kosovo, Republika Srpska and Montenegro. We are awaiting to see the next steps of the Government. Law is completely on our side and I think that next moves will be going in that direction.
To Serbs:
Q: Why is Kumbaya posting here now?
A: Modern Battle for Kosovo has just begun. Now "Recognition Game" is important.
Fact: No Arab state has yet recognized "independent" Kosovo.
Unfortuante Fact: Some misguided Serbs causing more harm than good by attempting to stir up anti-muslim sentiment. Serbs not at war with muslim world. This sentiment is unnatural and bizarre to most Serbs.
Historical Fact: Problem in Balkans c.1990's not about religion. Problem is 100 percent Anglo-European desire for Balkan conquest. Most Serbs recognize this.
Case in Point: Democratic Election in Bosnia of Serb-allied Fikret Abdic, 1991. Abdic soon sidelined by Anglo-European imperial power. Muslim hardliner Izetbegovic installed. Mulsims used as proxies BY ANGLO-EUROPEAN EMPIRE.
Conclusion: No Anglo-European interference, no problem for Serbs with Muslims.
Unfortunate Fact #2: Same misguided Serbs caused many of todays problems by clamoring regime-change in Serbia during Milosevic era.
Milosevic not Kumbaya's favorite either (should have fought for Krajina, not bluffed; should not have capitulated to Nato air war; wars cost blood, no getting around that).
BUT, throwing Slobo to Anglo-European Hague allowed Anglosphere to make plenty propaganda hay that has wounded Serbian nation.
ALSO, installing Pro-Western puppet regime made things much worse in Kosovo. Now same misguided Serb eggheads who bellowed eight years ago for pro-Western reform, now pulling U-turn. Now bawling: "West no good."
Kumbaya's Observation: Serb eggheads who after Sept. 2001 decided to cozy up to Mother Serpent America, because "we both are at war with muslims" is very pathetic.
Serbs have much more honor than to grovel at Mother Serpent's cold belly.
Anyway Mother Serpent not impressed with Serb overtures. Mother Serpent respect only sharp blade.
Kumbaya sorry to bother "real issues" guy Allen Wilson. Suggest he gulp McChicken and chill down.
At least Wilson, unlike most Anglo flock, realizes being led by nose by informative media.
Kumbaya also disgusted to see milquetoast homily from "peacenik" Goran.
Heaven forbid Serb should fight for own land. What would the civilized Europe think?
For what it's worth, I enjoy Kumbaya's question-and-answer posts, Mr. Wilson. If Mr. Warning is an American, as he claims, then I'm ashamed to have my fellow countryman make such ridiculous posts. Yes, our Lady's Immaculate Heart will triumph - which means, surely, the hubristic American hegemon will collapse and Serbia can retake Kosovo.
My critical mentioning of Kumbaya's post was too hasty, you have my apologies, Kumbaya.
Kumbaya, it just gets frustrating when you're trying to find out something worth knowing about this issue, and then someone like Mr Warning comes in with insults and sidetracks the discussion into some wierd argument. Your posts actually are quite informative.
No worries, Allen Wilson. Kumbaya not offended in least. Appreciate your contribution too.
Kumbaya actually enjoy McChicken. Bic Mac not bad either. Just don't eat every day.
Kumbaya Miffed
Reason: Egghead blog censor removed post by Bill Temple.
Why? Temple linked to excellent Kosovo article on leftist webiste.
Reminder: Rules of discussion about politeness, not political orientation.
ALSO, praticipants all grownups. Don't need protection from big bad wolf socialist websites.
Word Games
Q: What is "International Law?"
A: Euphemism describing postwar order where Big Dogs acknowledge one another's turf.
Fact: Has nothing to do with "Law" or "Internationalism." All about Big Dogs power balance.
Q: What was Cold War About?
A: Long-Haul effort by Anglosphere Empire to bring about End of International Law. IE, Shift Power Balance all to Anglosphere.
Q: What is Kosovo About?
A: Final Offensive of Anglosphere-led Cold War to assert End of Power Balance with Russia, China.
NEWS FLASH: COLD WAR NOT OVER. FINAL BATTLE JUST JOINED.
BIG QUESTION: WHAT IS PUTIN THINKING?
BIG ANSWER: PUTIN READY TO THROW DOWN.
Why? Same as 1914. Empire spoiling for fight has drawn line in sand that opponent cannot accept. End of postwar order means Total Defeat for Russia. Russia Cannot Accept demotion to toothless dog.
Nineteen-fourteen also preceded by long Cold War, from end of 1870 Franco-Prussian War. All Hot Wars preceded by Cold Wars.
Q: What happens next in Kosovo?
A: Escalation. Hot spot will be on fake "border" with Serbia. Aggressive moves (violence against Serb protesters, attempting to seal border) by Empire Stormtroopers will precipitate direct Russian Intervention.
Kumbaya Observation: Putin more eager for Kosovo Confrontation than Balls-in-Dixiecup Serb Leadership.
May need to drag Serb leadership kicking-screaming into fight. (Pathetic).
How: Civil Unrest powerful tool to exert pressure on governments. Anglosphere Empire not only one to demonstrate proficinecy in ancient art. Expect escalating street action in Belgrade -- with Russian blessing.
Case in Point: Recent unrest in Georgia. Newly-pliant Sakaashvili now making gentle noises to Putin, after close encounter with Tblisi lightpost noose.
Conclusion: Under Pressure from Vlad, Serbian Leadership to become Increasingly Assertive on Kosovo, or dumped outright.
Kumbaya Handicaps: Bush Junior has large balls, but is not good at thinking. Does not seem bothered that Empire junior partners (UK, Germany, France) not so keen on WW3 in own backyard.
Putin no dummy also knows this. Advantage Putin.
Timing: Imperial Overstretch abroad (Iraq,) has set domestic mob to grumbling. Presidential election, mini-cold war with Iran, does not sound like most opportune time to launch Final Battle of THE ULTIMATE WAR FOR PLANET EARTH.
Kumbaya Observation: Kosovo calculated gambit for Empire. Empire on offensive, not backed up against wall. Can fold hand rather than throw down.
On Other Hand: Empires Don't Back Down. Inertia could carry Empire into Real Fight.
Kumbaya Will Enjoy. Waiting Long Time For Denouement.
"What happens when California is overwhelmingly Hispanic-Mexican or Texas or Arizona?"
What happens if Russia recognize the native american Sioux state of Lakotah?
I sure like to be around when that happens...
@143Kumbaya
The idea that Putin wants to use Kosovo to be assertive and confrontational to the west is stupid and you seem to paint Russia as the enemy. You seem to share the same view points as the West with of politicians and journalists like John McCain and Edward Lucas talking about a non existant new USSR about to emerge so Russia can be pinned down and encircled which suits most Europeans anyway as they hate Russians anyway.
In his last press conference he outlined the fact that further internal development of his country is his main objective not seeking a confrontation with anyone and sitting the fact that Russian bases have been removed from Vietnam and Cuba yet NATO forces have encircled Russia and a missle defence system which is almost certainly targeted at Russia is installed in Czech Republic and Poland.
Kumbaya Puzzled.
"Non-Stupid" James first says idea of Russia as "enemy" is dumb.
Then points out Nato encircled Russia and missile defense system coming too.
Kumbaya detect big contradiction.
Kumbaya sure same contradiction not lost on Vlad.
Perhaps non-stupid James napping when Russia threatened force in Kosovo, day before yesterday.
Feb. 22, 2008. Russian Nato envoy Dmitry Rogozin speaking in Brussels:
"If the European Union...or Nato breaches its mandate in Kosovo...we must use brute force, in other words armed force."
Rogozin was referring directly to Nato attempting to seal Kosovo border with Serbia.
He added, "there could be quite a dramatic development between Russia and Nato."
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=44203§ionid=351020602
Perhaps non-stupid James has also missed fact that Putin has made Kosovo the number one issue on agenda -- ahead of missile defense.
Kumbaya wonder if maybe non-stupid James napping a little too much.
Kumbaya my lord...you wote:
"Q: What happens next in Kosovo?
A: Escalation. Hot spot will be on fake “border” with Serbia. Aggressive moves (violence against Serb protesters, attempting to seal border) by Empire Stormtroopers will precipitate direct Russian Intervention."
Of course it is already set.. it is the fault of the West..
"Serbia's hard-line leaders on Saturday called the U.S. "the main culprit" in the violence that has broken out since Kosovo declared independence."
"The United States is the main culprit ... for all those violent acts," Serbia's Minister for Kosovo Slobodan Samardzic said in Belgrade.
"If the United States sticks to its present position that the fake state of Kosovo exists ... all responsibility in the future will be on the United States," Kostunica adviser Branislav Ristivojevic said in a statement."
As a child I was always haunted by Kumbaya during the New Mass....
You bring back terrifying memories....kumbaya...
Again the Serbs are not to blame when they invade independent Kosovo. It is all the fault of the West...
@146Kumbaya
The quotes you have taken are taken out of context and are not the full quotes and doesn't negate what I said before.
The full qotes are actually "if the European Union works out a common position, or if NATO breaches its mandate in Kosovo, these organizations will be in conflict with the United Nations," then "We too will have to proceed from the view that in order to be respected we must use brute force, in other words armed force." What he basically is saying is if a state can be carved out by force from a soveirgn country against its wishes then theoretically Russia can do the same from this perspective" similar statement where said about the Iraq presedent but Russia was not going to invade other countries, he didnt say Russia was going to deploy troops to kosovo or seek approval from Belgrade for troops to be stationed in Serbia. In a nutshell the US alone cant make the new rules to govern the world.
The rest of the article reads:
"Rogozin also cited unconfirmed reports that NATO troops were blocking the border between Kosovo and Serbia and not allowing Serb officials into Kosovo.
"This is not what we agreed. If this information is confirmed, then here in Brussels there will be some tough talking with our partners, and there could be quite a dramatic development in relations between Russia and NATO," RIA Novosti quoted Rogozin as saying.
The Russian envoy highlighted that 'under no circumstances' should NATO get involved in politics and that "It must remain neutral."
Nato is breaking its agreed mandate siding yet again with the KLA government not allowing Serb officials to visit a region of its own country where hundreds of ethnic Serbs live.
Of course we dont know the full transcript of his address to NATO or even if the statements are accurate translation like the phoney "Isreal should be wiped of the map" remark.
I think your reading to much Edward Lucus.
I think your political viewpoint scews your perspective I can see your probably left wing and things like Jewish domination of media, government and political financing dont effect policy making in places like Iraq. What country are you from?
Kumbaya scores 99% in my book. Too simplistic, over-generalising? Maybe. Maybe not.
A few Q&A of my own:
Russia: Blowing smoke. Best I can hope for is Russians getting the upper hand in UN Security Council and dispatching a few thousand border guards with UN blessing, effectively sealing the fate of North Kosovo as part of Serbia. Let’s see how US/EU deals with their hands full of Albanian mafia and 50% of permanent unemployment.
Dr. Trifkovic: Kumbaya, you do of course know that some level of political correctness is required in order to make oneself heard? I am sure that Dr. Trifkovic does what he has to do. Then again, if the radical Muslims had anything to do with your family tree in the last 20 years, I’m sure you’d understand better. With Greeks, Serbs and Bulgarians, the genuine fear of Islam-rule has become pretty much genetic after what we experienced in the last, well, more than 600 years.
There is entirely too much Muslim bashing on this blog. The fact that the Albanians are for the most part Muslim is incidental, from a Serbian perspective. If they were Buddhists, they would still be a problem for Serbia. Obviously, from an American and therefore an Israeli perspective it is very relevant, for reasons that I have already cited in previous posts.
The Israelis in particular are doing their damndest to bring about a civilizational clash between Islam and Christianity, and too many Christians are falling for it, especially Christian Serbs. If the Israelis have the entire Christian world on their side, it would be easier for them to create the Greater Israel as indicated in the Bible, which is their ultimate territorial goal.
That is not to say there are not radical Muslims. There are. And they should be dealt with accordingly.
Mihajlo: Kumbaya not see Vlad "blowing smoke" type.
Fact Check: No UN "blessing" needed. Res. 1244 gives Serbs right to bring in troops.
Q: What is mood of Russian public?
A: Overwhelming desire for confrontation with West.
Kumbaya Observation: Russian Leader won't disappoint people.
Serb Eggheads: Kumbaya only wants to keep it real.
Muhamedan nonsense mostly white noise. Not helpful. Hurt Serb image, tradition of tolerance.
@151Kumbaya
Q: What is mood of Russian public?
A: Overwhelming desire for confrontation with West.
What exactly are you basing that on? Is that just your opinion or are you quoting from a reliable, independent opinion poll?
Its western public opinion that is overwhelmingly confrontational with Russia not the other way around.
You seem hell bent on making Russia the enemy.
You didn't answer my question from before what country are you from?
@150simo
Am sure the fact they are Muslim explains why there burning down churches and sex trafficing in white christian european girls and why there recieving terror financing from the Middle East.
Human Facts
Q: What is War of Civilizations?
A: Fiction invented by Ruling Elites to control unwashed masses (own population).
Q: How: Same as Racism in previous generations. By channeling anger of masses against fictitious bogeyman.
Q: Why?
A: So masses never wake up to simple truth. Problem is Ruling Elites, which keep masses in misery. Not fictitious bogeymen.
Result: Divide and conquer. White rabble use up all energy hating blacks. Black rabble use up all energy fighting white hatred. Never realize who is real enemy. Ruling Elites sit back enjoy domestic peace and tranquility while black and white beasts of burden toil in shops and fields for basic subsistence.
Q: Why War of Civilizations Now?
A: Racism getting old and tired. Need fresh bogeyman (towelheads).
Q: How long Ruling Elites in Control?
A: Since dawn of recorded history. Maybe longer.
Moral of Story: Do not be fooled. Use own head to think clearly.
Perhaps, Njegos said it the best in 1847, regarding than Turkish brutality and vandalism and continual harrassments onto the Serb's population: "...The blood of men is monstrous nourishment,
“Already to the nose it choketh up;
“O’erfull the measure of your sins! ..."
The history is repeated in 2008!!!
"... What good is empire to inhuman men,
Except to spread them shame thro’ all the world!...", Njegos said in 1847.
How true and how said !!!