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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/01/30/hilary-v-mccain/comment-page-2/#comment-110064</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was searching the Chronicles website, hoping to find an article by Dr. Trifkovic about Bin Laden and John McCain&#039;s support for the KLA, when I came across Dr. Fleming&#039;s article; I was struck by his mention of Stephen Tonsor supporting McCain.  I had the great honor of taking two courses from Professor Tonsor, who truly is estimable.  Despite his tremendous kindness I was always intimidated by him.  He had a stocky build and an enormous head, as if his body were solely designed to support his brain, which was easily the most perfectly functioning I encountered during my years in Ann Arbor (excluding, perhaps, my brief backstage encounter with the Romanian genius Sergiu Celibidache).  An interview with Prof. Tonsor is availabe on GOPnation, and it evinces no signs of senescence.  He says of McCain: &quot;He has many characteristics that I admire greatly. I like McCain for his history and for what he’s done. He’s an admirable man and I agree with the stances he takes.&quot;

I take the opinioins of my intellectual -- and moral -- superiors seriously.  Yet Tonsor&#039;s statements about a man I have regarded for years as a truculent ignoramus leave me perplexed.  Even more so considering that McCain is the neo-conservatives&#039; favorite candidate, while Tonsor was the paleo who fired the opening salvos against the neocons many years ago.  So thank you, Dr. Fleming, for referring to McCain as as one of the most despicable human beings who has ever run for high office: you have restored my faith in my own judgment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was searching the Chronicles website, hoping to find an article by Dr. Trifkovic about Bin Laden and John McCain's support for the KLA, when I came across Dr. Fleming's article; I was struck by his mention of Stephen Tonsor supporting McCain.  I had the great honor of taking two courses from Professor Tonsor, who truly is estimable.  Despite his tremendous kindness I was always intimidated by him.  He had a stocky build and an enormous head, as if his body were solely designed to support his brain, which was easily the most perfectly functioning I encountered during my years in Ann Arbor (excluding, perhaps, my brief backstage encounter with the Romanian genius Sergiu Celibidache).  An interview with Prof. Tonsor is availabe on GOPnation, and it evinces no signs of senescence.  He says of McCain: "He has many characteristics that I admire greatly. I like McCain for his history and for what he’s done. He’s an admirable man and I agree with the stances he takes."</p>
<p>I take the opinioins of my intellectual -- and moral -- superiors seriously.  Yet Tonsor's statements about a man I have regarded for years as a truculent ignoramus leave me perplexed.  Even more so considering that McCain is the neo-conservatives' favorite candidate, while Tonsor was the paleo who fired the opening salvos against the neocons many years ago.  So thank you, Dr. Fleming, for referring to McCain as as one of the most despicable human beings who has ever run for high office: you have restored my faith in my own judgment.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Alpert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Alpert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George W Bush &quot;Talked tough an talked  conservative&quot; Wait um um--Robert Taft talked conservative and Bush doesn&#039;t sound like him to me. I believe Dr. Fleming meant &quot;MORON&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George W Bush "Talked tough an talked  conservative" Wait um um--Robert Taft talked conservative and Bush doesn't sound like him to me. I believe Dr. Fleming meant "MORON"</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Alpert</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2008/01/30/hilary-v-mccain/comment-page-2/#comment-89495</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Alpert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just watched (from 2002) Milosovics&#039;s eloquent defense--he had a heart  attack rather the way Ben M&#039;hidi hanged himself as I recall--Clinton (and his female&#039;s hands are blood stained) perhaps in Bill&#039;s case someone told me more than Bush II. I suggested to a fellow leftist that Hillary might do better teaching intelligent design to second graders only to be met with shock. Then again I read Nataniel West&#039;s parody of the Anima Christi to some high school students who kept muttering &quot;Heath Heath&quot; uner their breath.
Where can one obtain a copy of &quot;Poison Pen&quot;?
 It may be that the neo-con moment is past but I do not see any Robert  Taft&#039;s on the  Right or Tony Benn&#039;s on the left (his children are for  Hillary--it must torment as  Milton was tormented),
I plan to vote for Taft or Benn but Obama did not support the war--perhaps that gives him some cache--nah!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just watched (from 2002) Milosovics's eloquent defense--he had a heart  attack rather the way Ben M'hidi hanged himself as I recall--Clinton (and his female's hands are blood stained) perhaps in Bill's case someone told me more than Bush II. I suggested to a fellow leftist that Hillary might do better teaching intelligent design to second graders only to be met with shock. Then again I read Nataniel West's parody of the Anima Christi to some high school students who kept muttering "Heath Heath" uner their breath.<br />
Where can one obtain a copy of "Poison Pen"?<br />
 It may be that the neo-con moment is past but I do not see any Robert  Taft's on the  Right or Tony Benn's on the left (his children are for  Hillary--it must torment as  Milton was tormented),<br />
I plan to vote for Taft or Benn but Obama did not support the war--perhaps that gives him some cache--nah!</p>
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		<title>By: PcH</title>
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		<dc:creator>PcH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 19:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moses:  Well said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moses:  Well said.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas G.P. MOSES</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas G.P. MOSES</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 09:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;For all the generosity of your wit, I am always amazed by the morons, reactionaries and racists attracted to post on your site.&quot;

As irritating as they may be, I would have a drink with such a &quot;moron,&quot; &quot;reactionary&quot; or &quot;racist&quot; over a neocon shill, any day.

&quot;Underestimate the American people all you want, but, if history is any judge (as you, a fine historian, surely know), they generally do OK.&quot;

Dr. Phillips has pre-empted me, but for the naysayers who insist that this is just one trough in the up and down cycle, I would like to add this:  the fact that Peter, Paul and Andrew can learn how to dance does not mean that Mark can, especially if Mark has a broken leg.  In other words, because previous hard times were easily rebounded is not, by itself, a reason to suggest this will be the same thing.

In the first place, I don&#039;t think there has ever been a time when Americans were so ill-informed of what is going on around them or what it means.  If in the past Americans were somewhat naïve and ignorant of foreign affairs, today they are criminally stupid regarding the lessons even of their own history.

Look beyond the idiots at the Fed who insist that a &quot;healthy&quot; economy is one that is ever-expanding on paper and there are many reasons to believe that this country&#039;s economic position has been so precarious, i.e., to the point where the entire tissue of its capitalist engine has been rotted out and our prosperity is nothing more than rust with paint on it, and that this structure is vulnerable to collapse under only moderate pressure.

The idea that John McCain will do anything to stop or even slow this decline as opposed to Hillary Clinton is laughable.  He has consistently supported the destruction of the U.S. industrial complex and the importation of endless amounts of legal and illegal slave labor to compete with American workers.  &quot;Real conservatives&quot; owe him nothing but contempt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"For all the generosity of your wit, I am always amazed by the morons, reactionaries and racists attracted to post on your site."</p>
<p>As irritating as they may be, I would have a drink with such a "moron," "reactionary" or "racist" over a neocon shill, any day.</p>
<p>"Underestimate the American people all you want, but, if history is any judge (as you, a fine historian, surely know), they generally do OK."</p>
<p>Dr. Phillips has pre-empted me, but for the naysayers who insist that this is just one trough in the up and down cycle, I would like to add this:  the fact that Peter, Paul and Andrew can learn how to dance does not mean that Mark can, especially if Mark has a broken leg.  In other words, because previous hard times were easily rebounded is not, by itself, a reason to suggest this will be the same thing.</p>
<p>In the first place, I don't think there has ever been a time when Americans were so ill-informed of what is going on around them or what it means.  If in the past Americans were somewhat naïve and ignorant of foreign affairs, today they are criminally stupid regarding the lessons even of their own history.</p>
<p>Look beyond the idiots at the Fed who insist that a "healthy" economy is one that is ever-expanding on paper and there are many reasons to believe that this country's economic position has been so precarious, i.e., to the point where the entire tissue of its capitalist engine has been rotted out and our prosperity is nothing more than rust with paint on it, and that this structure is vulnerable to collapse under only moderate pressure.</p>
<p>The idea that John McCain will do anything to stop or even slow this decline as opposed to Hillary Clinton is laughable.  He has consistently supported the destruction of the U.S. industrial complex and the importation of endless amounts of legal and illegal slave labor to compete with American workers.  "Real conservatives" owe him nothing but contempt.</p>
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		<title>By: P. Zurich</title>
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		<dc:creator>P. Zurich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 22:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>print more money - send mCcain and his ilk to More wars... (i&#039;m partying ... [armed to the teeth] WAITING for mCcain and his ilk. - )

come get me whores. (they won&#039;t - me and mine pay them.) - the whores.

scum - ain&#039;t THAT america ... i got the ledgers to prove it...

pardon me - it&#039;s not most americans... but they &#039;rule&#039; you. sorry.

even if you don&#039;t &#039;know&#039; it.

want me to get rid of them? why not - it&#039;s FUN...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>print more money - send mCcain and his ilk to More wars... (i'm partying ... [armed to the teeth] WAITING for mCcain and his ilk. - )</p>
<p>come get me whores. (they won't - me and mine pay them.) - the whores.</p>
<p>scum - ain't THAT america ... i got the ledgers to prove it...</p>
<p>pardon me - it's not most americans... but they 'rule' you. sorry.</p>
<p>even if you don't 'know' it.</p>
<p>want me to get rid of them? why not - it's FUN...<br />
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		<title>By: Red Phillips</title>
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		<dc:creator>Red Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 21:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt, if what makes someone fit to be President of the United States is being a warmonger then McCain is surely the man.

Look around you Matt. 3+ trillion dollar budgets. A falling dollar. Bogged down in an unnecessary and unjust war. Babies still getting slaughtered. We are not &quot;doing alright.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, if what makes someone fit to be President of the United States is being a warmonger then McCain is surely the man.</p>
<p>Look around you Matt. 3+ trillion dollar budgets. A falling dollar. Bogged down in an unnecessary and unjust war. Babies still getting slaughtered. We are not "doing alright."</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 15:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Fleming,

For all the generosity of your wit, I am always amazed by the morons, reactionaries and racists attracted to post on your site.  Underestimate the American people all you want, but, if history is any judge (as you, a fine historian, surely know), they generally do OK.

Separately, I&#039;m surprised you and Senator McCain aren&#039;t the best of friends.  You both share a temperamental disdain for anyone who disagrees with you.
 
John McCain won (notice the past tense) because he deserved to (this explains why: www.gorighty.com), despite his many shortcomings.  True conservatives will all ultimately get behind him.

Thanks for months of amusement!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Fleming,</p>
<p>For all the generosity of your wit, I am always amazed by the morons, reactionaries and racists attracted to post on your site.  Underestimate the American people all you want, but, if history is any judge (as you, a fine historian, surely know), they generally do OK.</p>
<p>Separately, I'm surprised you and Senator McCain aren't the best of friends.  You both share a temperamental disdain for anyone who disagrees with you.</p>
<p>John McCain won (notice the past tense) because he deserved to (this explains why: <a href="http://www.gorighty.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.gorighty.com</a>), despite his many shortcomings.  True conservatives will all ultimately get behind him.</p>
<p>Thanks for months of amusement!</p>
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		<title>By: pablo H</title>
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		<dc:creator>pablo H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 13:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it looks like we&#039;re going to get 9 months of Fear mongering as  Republicans tell us the world will end if Hillary is elected.   

We survived Jimmy Carter, and Ford would not have been any better.  We elected Bush I, who we were told,  would not raise taxes or nominate liberals to the SCOTUS.  We nominated Dole,  because he was electable.  We elected Bush II because Gore would have run massive deficits and increased spending.  Now, its elect a moderate Republican who pals around with Ted Kennedy and Joe Lieberman or the darkness will descend.   

McCain himself, has stated he respects and likes Hillary. He seems less concerned about a Hillary win than most Republicans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it looks like we're going to get 9 months of Fear mongering as  Republicans tell us the world will end if Hillary is elected.   </p>
<p>We survived Jimmy Carter, and Ford would not have been any better.  We elected Bush I, who we were told,  would not raise taxes or nominate liberals to the SCOTUS.  We nominated Dole,  because he was electable.  We elected Bush II because Gore would have run massive deficits and increased spending.  Now, its elect a moderate Republican who pals around with Ted Kennedy and Joe Lieberman or the darkness will descend.   </p>
<p>McCain himself, has stated he respects and likes Hillary. He seems less concerned about a Hillary win than most Republicans.</p>
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		<title>By: PcH</title>
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		<dc:creator>PcH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 06:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shoot.  That comes from &lt;i&gt;Gylfaginning&lt;/i&gt; § 51, in the Prose Edda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shoot.  That comes from <i>Gylfaginning</i> § 51, in the Prose Edda.</p>
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