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		<title>By: Richard Welling</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/12/24/solemn-joy-and-hot-gospel/comment-page-1/#comment-69352</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Welling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 06:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry I haven&#039;t replied sooner but though fronting sixty years, I am still distracted by having to make a non-literary living. ;&gt;) Prior to replying, and though being--according to my wife--a veritable fanatic for classical works, from DePrez, Palestrina, Gabrielli, Schuetz, JS Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, etc., then Schubert, Mendelsohn, Schumann, Brahms, Dvorak, as well as the Russians: Rimsky, Balikirev, Glazunov, and the French: Gounod, Faure, Debussy, Ravel and then Bartok, Stravinsky, etc., not to mention all the operas (and don&#039;t ask me about hard-bop jazz), I had the need this evening to be fortified with Schönberg&#039;s Five Orchestral Pieces to remind myself that his music is truly knowledgeable, gifted, and sublime! (I recommend the Barenboim-Chicago recording.)

As to musical &quot;ideology,&quot; I don&#039;t perceive that Schönberg, a champion of Bach and scholar and teacher of the classical forms, possessed the misguided zeal of, for example, the Minimalists like the ridiculous Philip Glass or John Adams. (&quot;Nixon in China,&quot; indeed!)

(By serendipity, my wife and I were invited last week to a New Year&#039;s Eve party at a wealthy home and were treated there to a talented trio of musicians. When I complemented them on their play, saying, &quot;You guys really swing,&quot; the leader asked &quot;What would you like to hear?&quot; to which I replied, &quot;Anything by David Raskin.&quot; He ventured, &quot;Like &#039;Laura&#039;?&quot; to which I responded, &quot;How about &#039;The Bad and the Beautiful&#039;?&quot; [The theme of the classic 1952 flick of the same name, which every cultural maven should view.] Well, my evening was fulfilled when he said, &quot;I know it but nobody ever asks me for it.&quot; [He then played it better than I could have hoped for.] It so happens that the great Hollywood composer Raskin studied with Schönberg and who knows how less our satisfaction of that important musical genre would have been without those insights? To grasp what I&#039;m saying, think of the 50s and try to rid your mind of Burt Bacharach and John Williams.)

Though not having sufficient grounding in philosophy to recognize Hegelianism in all its manifestations, I seriously wonder whether Schönberg, though growing up in that milieu, could have cared less. My point is that we who care about true worship, including we confessional Lutherans (myself a former LCMS elder, now WELS) in looking for what is good and righteous, should avoid being distracted by academic prejudices from discovering the true source of defective forms. &quot;Atonality&quot; has practically nothing to do with current musical deficiencies; after all, even rappers use tonic chords, not to mention Bill Gaither. 

I would look to Madison Avenue as a source of cultural decay before I would bother with attacking Arnold Schönberg, who had more knowledge of our Western, classical tradition in his little finger than all the multitude of &quot;praise &quot;practitioners, not to mention many current professors of liturgy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry I haven't replied sooner but though fronting sixty years, I am still distracted by having to make a non-literary living. ;&gt;) Prior to replying, and though being--according to my wife--a veritable fanatic for classical works, from DePrez, Palestrina, Gabrielli, Schuetz, JS Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, etc., then Schubert, Mendelsohn, Schumann, Brahms, Dvorak, as well as the Russians: Rimsky, Balikirev, Glazunov, and the French: Gounod, Faure, Debussy, Ravel and then Bartok, Stravinsky, etc., not to mention all the operas (and don't ask me about hard-bop jazz), I had the need this evening to be fortified with Schönberg's Five Orchestral Pieces to remind myself that his music is truly knowledgeable, gifted, and sublime! (I recommend the Barenboim-Chicago recording.)</p>
<p>As to musical "ideology," I don't perceive that Schönberg, a champion of Bach and scholar and teacher of the classical forms, possessed the misguided zeal of, for example, the Minimalists like the ridiculous Philip Glass or John Adams. ("Nixon in China," indeed!)</p>
<p>(By serendipity, my wife and I were invited last week to a New Year's Eve party at a wealthy home and were treated there to a talented trio of musicians. When I complemented them on their play, saying, "You guys really swing," the leader asked "What would you like to hear?" to which I replied, "Anything by David Raskin." He ventured, "Like 'Laura'?" to which I responded, "How about 'The Bad and the Beautiful'?" [The theme of the classic 1952 flick of the same name, which every cultural maven should view.] Well, my evening was fulfilled when he said, "I know it but nobody ever asks me for it." [He then played it better than I could have hoped for.] It so happens that the great Hollywood composer Raskin studied with Schönberg and who knows how less our satisfaction of that important musical genre would have been without those insights? To grasp what I'm saying, think of the 50s and try to rid your mind of Burt Bacharach and John Williams.)</p>
<p>Though not having sufficient grounding in philosophy to recognize Hegelianism in all its manifestations, I seriously wonder whether Schönberg, though growing up in that milieu, could have cared less. My point is that we who care about true worship, including we confessional Lutherans (myself a former LCMS elder, now WELS) in looking for what is good and righteous, should avoid being distracted by academic prejudices from discovering the true source of defective forms. "Atonality" has practically nothing to do with current musical deficiencies; after all, even rappers use tonic chords, not to mention Bill Gaither. </p>
<p>I would look to Madison Avenue as a source of cultural decay before I would bother with attacking Arnold Schönberg, who had more knowledge of our Western, classical tradition in his little finger than all the multitude of "praise "practitioners, not to mention many current professors of liturgy.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron D. Wolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron D. Wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 15:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mine was a gentle jab at the apostate A. Schönberg, but since you brought him up . . . 

I cannot ever advocate an appreciation of the father of atonality.  That his music moves us on some level, with our postmodern ears and hearts, says more about us than about his &quot;genius.&quot;  A.S.&#039;s twelve tonery is a musical ideology that smacks of Hegelianism and defies the natural law.  The harmony and order of nature that is the heritage of Western music and its development by the Church from pagan sources is first ignored and then subverted by this technique, which was far too self-aware as the self-proclaimed apotheosis of composition.

Torture!  Now I need to listen to the &lt;i&gt;Well-Tempered Clavier&lt;/i&gt; and, following the advice of my favorite composer, &quot;smoke my pipe and worship God&quot; (wink).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mine was a gentle jab at the apostate A. Schönberg, but since you brought him up . . . </p>
<p>I cannot ever advocate an appreciation of the father of atonality.  That his music moves us on some level, with our postmodern ears and hearts, says more about us than about his "genius."  A.S.'s twelve tonery is a musical ideology that smacks of Hegelianism and defies the natural law.  The harmony and order of nature that is the heritage of Western music and its development by the Church from pagan sources is first ignored and then subverted by this technique, which was far too self-aware as the self-proclaimed apotheosis of composition.</p>
<p>Torture!  Now I need to listen to the <i>Well-Tempered Clavier</i> and, following the advice of my favorite composer, "smoke my pipe and worship God" (wink).</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Welling</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Welling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 05:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a thousand years the Church had taught music to the world but for perhaps the past hundred years the Church has willingly been taught its music by the world. Thus, while I am in major agreement with what Mr. Wolf expresses about the decline of sacred music, I don&#039;t know why he thinks it necessary to whip poor Arnold Schönberg in this regard. Schönberg&#039;s later music may be hard to grasp but he was doubtless a genius although having the misfortune of maturing in the age of Nietzsche. 

&quot;Tortured Night&quot;? Granting that Schönberg’s Opus 4, Transfigured Night, is based on a silly melodramatic poem, if one is willing to discount an unfortunate motivation for a young man&#039;s talent then the piece must surely rank as one of the most beautiful of all musical works, if nothing else for the serenity of its extended finale. If anyone is worried about his children listening to it, then let him merely lock up the album notes and let them enjoy the inspiring sound. 

Since surely there is more glory given to God in the four symphonies of the syphilitic Robert Schumann than in all the likely thousands of works among the &quot;Praise&quot; genre, why don&#039;t we limit our musical references to such as Amy Grant&#039;s and Sandy Patty&#039;s trivialities, as well as those of Marty Haugen and David Haas, whose works--unlike Schönberg’s--actually serve to displace true worship?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a thousand years the Church had taught music to the world but for perhaps the past hundred years the Church has willingly been taught its music by the world. Thus, while I am in major agreement with what Mr. Wolf expresses about the decline of sacred music, I don't know why he thinks it necessary to whip poor Arnold Schönberg in this regard. Schönberg's later music may be hard to grasp but he was doubtless a genius although having the misfortune of maturing in the age of Nietzsche. </p>
<p>"Tortured Night"? Granting that Schönberg’s Opus 4, Transfigured Night, is based on a silly melodramatic poem, if one is willing to discount an unfortunate motivation for a young man's talent then the piece must surely rank as one of the most beautiful of all musical works, if nothing else for the serenity of its extended finale. If anyone is worried about his children listening to it, then let him merely lock up the album notes and let them enjoy the inspiring sound. </p>
<p>Since surely there is more glory given to God in the four symphonies of the syphilitic Robert Schumann than in all the likely thousands of works among the "Praise" genre, why don't we limit our musical references to such as Amy Grant's and Sandy Patty's trivialities, as well as those of Marty Haugen and David Haas, whose works--unlike Schönberg’s--actually serve to displace true worship?</p>
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		<title>By: J. Hauser</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Hauser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 01:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Wolf,

I share your love of Josquin&#039;s music. You might enjoy this piece, Enixa est puerpera, by &quot;Anonymous&quot; at this site: http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=177830
 It is only a 32 second sample but after listening to it I immediately ordered the package. I also enjoy your regular columns in Chronicles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Wolf,</p>
<p>I share your love of Josquin's music. You might enjoy this piece, Enixa est puerpera, by "Anonymous" at this site: <a href="http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=177830" rel="nofollow">http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=177830</a><br />
 It is only a 32 second sample but after listening to it I immediately ordered the package. I also enjoy your regular columns in Chronicles.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas G.P. MOSES</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas G.P. MOSES</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... And I spoke too soon, because girls don&#039;t actually like martini, which is nothing more than gin and vermouth.  And actually, they don&#039;t even like vodka &quot;martini&quot; so much as they like the mixer that covers up the taste of the hard grain alcohol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>... And I spoke too soon, because girls don't actually like martini, which is nothing more than gin and vermouth.  And actually, they don't even like vodka "martini" so much as they like the mixer that covers up the taste of the hard grain alcohol.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas G.P. MOSES</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/12/24/solemn-joy-and-hot-gospel/comment-page-1/#comment-65801</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas G.P. MOSES</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’d like to see an America where girls desire to be “pretty” rather than “hot.”&quot;

Especially since &quot;pretty&quot; can age, while &quot;hot&quot; tends to cool down--something my fellow indulgent nilly martini-shilling young men don&#039;t seem to understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"I’d like to see an America where girls desire to be “pretty” rather than “hot.”"</p>
<p>Especially since "pretty" can age, while "hot" tends to cool down--something my fellow indulgent nilly martini-shilling young men don't seem to understand.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 11:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to see an America where girls desire to be &quot;pretty&quot; rather than &quot;hot.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'd like to see an America where girls desire to be "pretty" rather than "hot."</p>
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		<title>By: John Rutowicz</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Rutowicz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2007 16:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course &quot;Hot&quot; can have a double intended meaning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course "Hot" can have a double intended meaning.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Roberts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2007 13:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;zesty doesn’t really do it, because hot, in this usage, means something closer to sexy. &quot;

  No, not exactly.  &quot;Hot&quot;, in the usage employed by the sign above the display rack of CDs, is simply retail shorthand for &quot;in heavy demand and prone to selling out&quot;.  Wholesalers use the term &quot;Hot&quot; to spur their sales to retailers and retailers use the same term to spur sales to consumers.

  When a young male uses the term in reference to a young female, he means &quot;sexy&quot;.  That is obviously not the usage involved in a record store display of a Christmas music CD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"zesty doesn’t really do it, because hot, in this usage, means something closer to sexy. "</p>
<p>  No, not exactly.  "Hot", in the usage employed by the sign above the display rack of CDs, is simply retail shorthand for "in heavy demand and prone to selling out".  Wholesalers use the term "Hot" to spur their sales to retailers and retailers use the same term to spur sales to consumers.</p>
<p>  When a young male uses the term in reference to a young female, he means "sexy".  That is obviously not the usage involved in a record store display of a Christmas music CD.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2007 00:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaron is a great friend, father, husband, and coherent follower of the Christ.  He seems to be a remarkably successful hunter as well!

I pray the Lord&#039;s gracious blessing on him and his family until we see His kingdom in full.  Thus within.

From the windswept and warm confines of McKinney, Texas...

Merry Christmas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron is a great friend, father, husband, and coherent follower of the Christ.  He seems to be a remarkably successful hunter as well!</p>
<p>I pray the Lord's gracious blessing on him and his family until we see His kingdom in full.  Thus within.</p>
<p>From the windswept and warm confines of McKinney, Texas...</p>
<p>Merry Christmas</p>
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