The Kosovo Drama Escalates
A deeply divided UN Security Council failed to break the deadlock over Kosovo on Wednesday. Russia and China remain adamant that there can be no imposed solution, and no valid proclamation of independence outside the Security Council framework. The United States, Britain and France—which support Kosovo's independence—say further talks between the parties are pointless. They appear intent on encouraging Pristina's unilateral declaration of independence (UDI) and its subsequent recognition through NATO and the European Union, thus bypassing the Russian veto at the UN.
The exact timing of Kosovo's UDI will depend on Serbia's domestic politics. Almost a year ago, the unveiling of the infamous Ahtisaari plan—the blueprint for the province's illegal secession from Serbia—was delayed by the United States and her West European allies from January 1, 2007, until after the parliamentary election in Serbia on January 21. The reason was frankly stated in Washington and Brussels: the need to help the "pro-Western, reformist" Democratic Party (DS) of President Boris Tadic in its bid to secure as many seats in the national legislature as possible by pushing its old agenda of "Euro-Atlantic [i.e., EU-NATO] integrations."
It was assumed, reasonably enough, that Tadic's starry-eyed Europhoric supporters may have second thoughts about continuing their support for Serbia's integration into those same institutions that underwrite and condone amputation of one-seventh of her sovereign territory for the benefit of a bunch of Albanian heroin kingpins.
We are witnessing the same ploy all over again. Tadic and his allies in the Assembly of Serbia have conspired with the European Union to gerrymander a "quickie" presidential election on January 20, in order to preempt the looming unilateral declaration of "independence" by Kosovo and the subsequent recognition by the United States and some of the EU countries.
Just one day after the election was announced—illegally and unconstitutionally, according to Prime Minister Kostunica's Democratic Party of Serbia (DSS), which is still DS's partner in the current coalition—a top EU official was quoted as saying that "it may take until the spring" before the status of Kosovo is finally determined.
The DS, the Bush Administration, and the EU bureaucratic machine have a common agenda in pushing ahead with the election now. If the presidential race is over before Kosovo declares its independence, Hashim Thaci's pending declaration, aided and abetted by Washington and Brussels, supposedly won't impact the outcome of the race. Tadic gets duly reelected, to provide a "reasonable" voice in the Serbian leadership that will not veer away from the cherished Euro-integrations come what may.
Cheat me once, shame on you; cheat me twice, shame on me. The latest public opinion surveys indicate that Serbia will not fall for the same ruse again. Most people reject "integration" into the European Union—let alone NATO—on the condition of self-mutilation. If the European Union persists in its transparent attempt to recognize Kosovo's pending illegal secession by default, it will be actively opposed by Serbia. As Kostunica declared at his UN Security Council address on Wednesday, any unilateral declaration of independence would be "null and void" and would never be recognized by Serbia.
All negotiations on Kosovo were doomed to fail because the U.S. Administration had declared from the outset that independence was the preordained outcome which would be reached "one way or another" (in the memorable phrase of Dr. Rice). The Kosovo Albanian leaders—a repellant crew of war criminals and dope peddlers with jihadist ties—could afford to sit back and dismiss out of hand any proposal that fell short of what the Americans had promised.
Serbia's Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica, who will retain his post regardless of the outcome of the presidential contest, has a number of options if this happens. They range from the blockade of the secessionist province—which gets two-thirds of its food and consumer goods and essential electricity supplies from central and northern Serbia—to the declaration, supported by parliamentary vote, that Serbia is no longer seeking EU membership (let alone that of NATO) and would henceforth develop closer political, economic and military ties with the resurgent Russia. Breaking off or severely downgrading diplomatic relations will those countries that recognize Kosovo, and effecting the province's partition by Belgrade while continuing to claim sovereign rights over all of it, is also imminent.
Serbia's response will have a limited impact on the countries outside the region, but that will not be the end of the story. Russia, China and India, and dozens of Asian and African countries with secessionist problems—including South Africa and the most populous predominantly Muslim country, Indonesia—will deem the move illegal and invalid. The theory that outside powers can award part of a state's sovereign territory to a violent ethnic or religious minority, only if that minority is able to provoke a violent government response and secure a "humanitarian" intervention from abroad, would put in question the borders of at least two-dozen states.
Yes, pro-Albanian lobbyists will say, but the Serbs' mistreatment of their Albanian minority has disqualified Belgrade from running the province ever again. Well, first of all, there has never been any "genocide" in Kosovo by any definition. At it very peak in 1998 it was a medium-sized local conflict that killed some 2,000 people on all sides: as lethal, proportionate to the population, as the lethal crime in Washington, D.C., during that same period.
By accepting at face value the standard claim of "genocide" by, say, Tamils, Chechens, Palestinians, Kurds, Kashmiris, etc., etc., the "International Community" (i.e., the United States and a few pliant West Europeans) will create endless problems for itself. Furthermore, the theory that parts of a state�s sovereign territory should belong to a "discriminated against" ethnic or religious minority with a localized plurality would also be an argument for the extension of "Aztlan" or La Repubblica del Norte to the Bay Area, Denver and Dallas.
Several EU member-countries (Spain, Slovakia, Rumania, Greece, Cyprus, Malta . . . ) will not toe the line whatever Brussels says. Israel is understandably apprehensive of the precedent that a solution to an intractable political and territorial quarrel can and should be imposed by outside countries, even if one of the parties rejects the proposed solution as contrary to its vital national interests.
On balance, U.S.-sponsored Republic of "Kosova"—while apparently difficult to avoid at the moment—is likely to be as stillborn legally as it is already collapsed economically, socially and morally.
We are facing yet another Balkan drama of mainly American making that promises to be . . . well, interesting, which is to say highly destabilizing for the region, detrimental to European security and incomprehensible to at least half the world.
State Department bureaucrats still claim that Kosovo would not set a precedent, but their words cannot change reality: it will. The "frozen conflicts" in the former Soviet Union may be defrosted with a bang, and the best Kosovo could hope for is to become a frozen conflict itself.
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There are those in the west that understand the reality of the situation in Kosovo:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22966948-7583,00.html
If NATO/USA do not make 'second'muslim state on Balkan,what are they going to do w all those muslim imigrants in England,France,Germany,...they can not get a fresh air from them in those countrys..that is why there is such a pressure for push them east.
NATO/USA:
"lets make again border Othoman Emp & AustriaHungaria Emp"
#50 wants again Serbian 'army' to go into war.
Do Serbian ppl have Tzar Lazar!?..
Some historical documents say that Serbian nation did not lost Kosovo Battle 1389. But 'West'draw the borders anyway:
Sold Serbia exactly the same way as they are triing to do now.There is no need to see serbian blood.Serbia have all Jockers in her hands and NATO/USA have as always ONLY dirty tricks.
It is OK if Serbia stick to Verbal Negotiation and have time on her side..They will give up an idea of having a 'second'(so pathetic)state on Balkan and move on:(
Lets those imigrants muslim from the West to use :GB,France,Holand,..the same way as those countrys used them.
Slavec ppl/nations never plaiid colonial policy and there is no need to get us involve in their problems.
!Negotiation is the only solution!
"The Serbs proved in the air war with NATO back in 1999 that they can handle NATO. NATO’s aircraft, while they were able to fly over all of Serbia, had to do so at very high altitudes to avoid being shot down. The Serbs had equipment to shoot down even the high flying aircraft, but did not use that equipment.
They wanted to portray themselves as victims in order to get the rest of the world to pressure NATO to stop the bombing. Of course, this propaganda technique failed and failed miserably. Milosevic paid for this stupidity with his life."
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Hmm on the last point in the first excerpted paragraph.
As for the other points, NATO saw that it couldn't eliminate the Serb armed forces. The former chose the path of destroying the civilian infrastructure to get the Serbs to the negotiating table. At the West's request, Russia played a willing role as an intermediary to arrange that result. Since that time, Russia and Serbia have been unnececessarily disrespected
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"Portraying yourself as a victim in today’s world will only work if you have broad access to the Western media. The Serbs did not have such access."
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In overall terms, this is still true.
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"America’s military is in terrible shape, especially its army and marines corps. They are being eaten up in losing wars in both Iraq and Afghanistan. A third war in the Balkans would compound this disastrous situation. The only effective weapon the Americans have is their air power, and as stated above, they would suffer crippling losses.
I really believe, with the proper military equipment, the Serbs can retake Kosovo and humble both NATO and America."
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Since 1999, hasn't the condition of the Serb armed forces declined? In comparison, one gets the impression that the repackaged KLA has probably become more well entrenched. I've no doubts on who is still stronger. I recall the Serb Radical Party leader making reference to the decline of the Serb armed forces.
In retrospect, the West should've offered the green light for then Yugoslavia (Serbia & Montenegro) to take out KLA terror bases in northern Albania. Over the years, the Israelis (in Lebanon) and Turks (in Iraq) have been given clearance for such actions.
I do not understand why the rest of the World is soooo ignorant on USA foreign politics?
/NOT American public!as to me they are victims who are not even aware that they are being bombard,lied on evry possible media they have in their hands or listen or watch TV..powerful propaganda /
It is so obveous that USA foreign policy is keep breaking,all over the World,common law regarding humanity
and other countrys in the World are soooo quiet..Why!!!???
Is USA triing to find a reason/pull the triger for the WWIII if so Why?
Where ever they/USA/ go instantly the problems starts and they are coming as "rescue".
the rest of te World can see evrything and they still stay even more ignorant for not doing anything.
Why some nations have to even prove/like Serbian/that their land which has been inherited in a 'family'for over a thousand yrs have to PROVE and NEGOTIATE!??
American nation have it totaly wrong.
The word PATRIOTIC means:
that you protect your country.
You do not become patriotic when you attact another country.
@ Simo
I do think that you are completely wrong, unless you are a military expert in air forces.
Military experts have been known to be wrong on matters of their purported expertise.
Malic @ 24, was it? Problem with re-building; how much depleted uranium was dropped on Serbia? Out of unbelievable malice, a permanent stain on a land, future and present
generations and wider region. How can this be avoided, should we see more war, because it's certain this will be the case again? That is, I see irreversible destruction, should NATO attack.
It may be better to wait as someone said.
Albanians are not going anywhere, it seems. Their time in some way, shape or form will surely come, bringing with it hard lessons of growth and maturity for a willfully primitive
people.
I am surprised that many of you do not understand what really is going on here. Beware! The antichrist is in his works.The cohorts of his are working full throttle. Beware! Be ready! The time has come!God Bless and protect the Serbs.
Mathematics 101 -NATO + USA + EU= antichrist
To just-a-serb,
The American government thought the air war against Serbia back in 1999 would last no more than 4 days. After 4 days, the Serbs would throw in the towel. Well, we all know what happened. The war ended not due to the bombing, in spite of all the Western propaganda to the contrary, but due to the intense pressure exerted by the Yeltsin government Yeltsin and Chernomyrdin, particularly Chernomyrdin, threatened to cut off Serbia's oil and natural gas supplies from Russia if Milosevic did not give in. Milosevic was therefore betrayed by these two individuals. He even admitted that that he "was betrayed by Russia and history". The Russian general Leonid Ivashov was very emotionally opposed to this betrayal; in fact if the Russian military had been in charge, NATO would have ground its teeth in that war. They would not have pressured the Serbs to end the war. The Russian military believed that NATO was losing the war and would have been forced to negotiate an end to it, on terms much more favorable to the Serbs.
What did Yeltsin and Chernomrydin get for their cooperation with America and NATO? A big IMF loan.
As for NATO starting a ground war against Serbia, that would not have happened. The political will for a ground war did not exist in any NATO country, including the US. Even if they had attempted such an endeavor, the Serbs were well prepared and would have inflicted heavy losses on the NATO forces. The losses incurred would have been politically unacceptable.
No, I am not expert on air forces, but I do know that the Russian aerospace technology is a good 10 to 20 years ahead of its American counterpart. The Russian S300 and S400 air defense systems are significantly superior to their American Patriot counterparts.
The American military aircraft are far less maneuverable than their Russian counterparts.
With America and NATO bogged down in 2 wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, there is not much stomach in the American military establishment for a 3rd war. A Serbian military march into Kosovo would be a humiliating defeat for the Americans. The Americans can only defend Kosovo with their air power (which could be negated with the proper equipment) or with nuclear weapons, which they would dare not use against a non-nuclear country.
I do believe a negotiated settlement is definitely preferable to war. I do not mean to come across as a warmonger. However, that process has not worked.
I do not know whether the Kosovo Albanians will declare independence. In any case, it is inconceivable to me that the Serbian government would not use some sort of coercive action, which is really nothing more than force, in response to such a declaration. In that regard, there is talk of a blockade of Kosovo and cutting off water, electricity and gas. That means of course that the American military at Camp Bondsteel would be affected. In order for the blockade to be effective, the Serbian military and police would have to prevent the Americans from re-supplying that base. That means they would have to stop supply flights as well as supplies by land from reaching that base. Not only would the Americans try to re-supply their own people but the Albanian population as well. So the Serbs would have to use some sort of coercive action.
And what would that lead to? Somebody would have to back down. Who? That is the $64,000 question.
@ Simo
My post 55 referred to the first paragraph of your post 50.
We can't handle air combat with NATO well - we don't have enough air space for that. That's all what I meant. Ground is another issue and I've said nothing about that.
But hardly will 700 aircrafts fly above us again any time soon - now they are busy following Russian strategic aviation.
Simo,
I would have to agree with you on all your points; and can only add the following remarks, make it very uncomfortable for them, the US, NATO to stay in Kosovo, what ever that requires. Also make sure that Albanian leadership can’t travel abroad legally, and perhaps even eliminate few of them especially the known terrorists, something Serbia has done in the past, crimes against state should be taken very serious. If Israel can get away with eliminating political opposition leaders or terrorist, so can Serbia. And if EU and U.S. do not change course on Kosovo, Serbia should make sure that the addendum to the Serbian constitution has a clear no to EU or NATO membership as long as they recognize Kosovo without UN SC, which I believe is in the works as we speak, thank you Slobodan Samardžić. In addition Serbia should clandestinely support all secessionist movement across the globe, especially in Western Europe as well as to recognize all countries that declare their independence unilaterally, call it a tit for tat.
It is obvious that Russia is flexing with the naval maneuvers and long range bomber exercises that they have conducted within the last few weeks. AND I LOVE IT! Keep it up Putin. The Serbs should and will cut off the water and electricity supply to the south. And if anyone including NATO(sic) try any attempt to attack(take over) the plants in the north, they should be dealt with accordingly. I know Russia will intercede if the NATO(sic) forces try. NATO troops and other gutless spineless coward spies are watching the northern Kosovo power plants from a distance. These cowards are also being watched very closely by Serb commandos and other GOD blessed assistants from other GOD blessed countries. I cannot believe that this sort of stealing, literally stealing a countries land is occuring in this 21st century. WAKE UP EVERYONE.
For those Roman Catholics who take sides with the Serbs:
"The head of the Catholic Church in Kosovo has added his voice to calls for independence. In the wake of inconclusive talks at the UN Security Council over the province's political future, the stage is set for the majority Albanian community to go ahead with its proposed declaration of independence from Serbia.
Bishop Gjergji said the people of Kosovo deserve independence as do other democratic nations.
These sentiments were echoed on the streets of Pristina, where many people, regardless of their religion (most in Kosovo are at least nominally Muslim), are wishing for independence next year.
"Apart from the goodness of people I want an independent Kosovo," one man said.
"My wish is for an independent Kosovo, as well as goodwill among people to help others, especially children lost without their parents." said one woman."EuroNews today26 December 2007
Mr Bill you wrote:
“The Serbs should and will cut off the water and electricity supply to the south.”
Thanks Mr Bill, you are someone who admits that the Serbs have no argument based on reason or right to claim Kosovo, so take it by force! This is all Serbia has, force of arms. Yes this is the 21st century where might makes right. Right? Serbs.
To Mr Boba
"Warning, provide evidence for your statement!"
Re-read the comments from Serbs leaders calling for the invasion of Kosovo if the Serbs do not get they way.
Re: 65 Warning:
Back to the basic:
Kosovo has been Serbian territory for ever. It is currently occupied by NATO troops, illegally, merciless and illegitimately bombed by NATO led Clinton administration in 1999 in order to legitimize Albanian terror against the Serbs in Kosovo-Metohija.
There was no ethnic cleansing of Albanians or mass killing of Albanians by the Serbs in 1990s or ever. However, muss expulsion, ethnic cleansing and genocide against the Serbs by Albanian Islamic extremists and “the Kosovo Liberation Army” has happened. Thousand Serbs from Kosovo were forced to leave their burned homes; some 150 Serbian churches and monasteries have been burned, damaged or completely eradicated by Albanians in the presence of their NATO supporters.
That Albanian Catholics want an independent Albanian Kosovo shows how insensible they've become towards the suffering of their Christian brothers. Yet, it had happened before 60 some years ago ... in Croatian NAZI CONCENTRATION CAMPAS - Jasenovac and Gradiska where some 700.000 Serbs were slaughtered.
To Mr Boba:
Further even back....back to the basic:
How many times has Serbia been under Austrian Habsburg rule?
If anyone has a legitimate claim on Kosovo it is the House of Habsburg. Not the Serbs.
This is not over yet.
Re: #67 Warning
Your knowledge of history is so appalling that it must be based on the America/ Albanian curriculum – taught by Clinton’s ilk based on bin Laden’s future ansicht.
Re: 64 Michael Warning
Re: the pro-secessionist statement made by the head of the Catholics in Kosovo:
- How many yards do you think the good bishop would have got if he'd said anything else?
Battle for Kosovo is battle for Serbia’s freedom
Belgrade, Dec 26, 2007 – Serbian Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica stressed today in address to MPs that the battle for Kosovo is the battle for Serbia’s freedom as neither as people or state are we free if Kosovo is not the province within Serbia as written in the Constitution.
The Serbian government’s official website brings the Prime Minister’s speech in full:
http://www.srbija.sr.gov.yu/vesti/vest.php?id=42016
a tipical sample of
someone who is totaly brainwashed...he does not know how to think...microchips has been implanted into his head.
definitly not worth to go into any discussion w him,waste of time and energy.
Albanians who understand/some do!/ what is going on and how they have been used for someone else benefit are probably affraid to say what they think or they have gone to another World,long time ago....
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Even computers are under total control:(
By the way,the speach which Dr ST has on youtube.com,in Canada,only I personaly e-mailed to 50+ ppl and all of them to 50+ppl and 2 weeks later the 'number'of ppl who saw the video is around 200:)))what a comedy:(....
The same is going on w any Petition that Serbian ppl are triing to get signatures,regarding K&M....numbers,names just simply do not show:(
No Albanians DO Not Have a Strong Lobby in USA!!!/They are NOT capable to organezed themself.../.
Serbian Energy has to be guide differently...no need to go into conv w the sample:Michael Warning.
"BELGRADE, Serbia - Serbian legislators planned Wednesday to debate a resolution that could lead to severing diplomatic ties with the United States and EU countries if they recognize an independent Kosovo. " By Dusan Stojanovic, The Associated Press
Goodbye USA hello Russia.........
"BELGRADE, Serbia, Dec. 26 (UPI) -- Russia has offered Serbia $1.5 billion for control of its oil industry and additional deals related to a gas pipeline and a gas underground storage.
The Russian government offered $750 million in cash and $750 million in investments for a majority interest in Serbia's NIS oil company, the Serbian daily Blic reported Wednesday."
Serb land grab and money. Is this the true intent of the Serbs - land and money and nothing more?
How long before Israeli advisors make their appearance in Belgrade showing the Serbs on how to contain and conquer its neighbors with embargoes and air strikes?
Re 67: by Michael 'Warning'
Hi Michael,
(I like that 'Warning', by the way. It keeps people thinking you've something worth saying)
Ah, yes, now you're saying that because they used to grab Serbian lands in which they had zero historic presence, the Hapsburgs can also now lay legitimate claim to Serbia's Kosovo province! Umm. Everybody but Serbia can claim Serbia, it seems.
By the way, weren't you supposed to be opposed to land grabs (obviously not if it's Serbia's land they're grabbing, it'd seem).
And you deny that Serbia, which has existed and included Kosovo for more than a millennium, has the right to this, its own sovereign and historic territory? Poor old you, talking first, thinking later. But if you let them, people can help you. Here's your medicine - take it in:
Michael, Serbia can't grab territory which already belongs to Serbia. Serbia can only have that land illegally ripped away.
Oh, and talking illegal stuff, that Uncle Sam of yours can sure land grab, and does.
Just as Austrian-led Hapsburgs and Nazis did (collectively killing two million Serbians whilst grabbing Serbian land in two world wars).
Just as do the extremist Albs (who supported all of the murder above) .
Just as a 'warning', Michael: Do be careful about these dubious poacher gangs you seem to be hanging out with.
Mr. Marko
Thanks for the advice, but you and those posting here who are anti-western nationalists who advocate an alliance with Russia and China will get what you and they desire - an alliance with Russia and the east.
My comments are directed to the above posters who will help to take Kosovo by force of arms against the wishes of the majority of the citizens of Kosovo and it's western allies.
The anti-western Serb nationalists can make any argument to legitimize their invasion of Kosovo, but in the end it does not matter, the Serbs will take Kosovo by force.
I think this is reasonable to ponder such things. It is not too difficult to foresee.
You anti-western Serb nationalists should agree with what I have written, that to claim Kosovo as your very own, you will have take it by force of arms. And this is the coming tragedy for the citizens of Kosovo and Serbia.
In his Convivio Dante Alighieri wrote on the means to achieve Peace in this world:
“Since the human mind does not rest content with limited possession of land but always seeks to achieve glory through further conquest, as we see from experience, discord and war must spring up between one kingdom and another. Such things are the tribulations of cities, of the surrounding cities, of the communities, and of the households of individuals; and so happiness is hindered.
Consequently, in order to do away with these wars and their causes, it is necessary that the whole earth, and all that is given to the human race to possess, should be a Monarchy--that is, a single principality, having one prince who, possessing all things and being unable to desire anything else, would keep the kings content within the boundaries of their kingdoms and preserve among them the peace in which the cities might rest. Through this peace the communities would come to love one another, and by this love all households would provide for their needs, which when provided would bring man happiness, for this is the end for which he is born…..
This pre-eminent office is called the Empire, without qualification, because it is the command of all other commands. And thus he who is placed in this office is called the Emperor, since he is the commander of all other commands; and what he says is law for all and ought to be obeyed by all, and every other command gains strength and authority from his. And so it is clear that the imperial majesty and authority are the highest in the fellowship of mankind.”
But see you Serbs, see what you have done? You Serbs were the instrumental cause in destroying this Peaceful means on June 28th 1914, and because of this act, as Dante so prophetically stated that “when the throne of Augustus is vacant, the whole world goes out of course, the helmsman and rowers slumber in the ship of Peter”
I am not here defending the godless modern forms of government the EU, UN, USA, Russia, etc.. but just someone who knows that something is not right with the world, something is missing, and that something is the Office of Holy Roman Emperor.
Mock all you want, but none of you has a solution to your political ills.
Hi Michael,
Mock I must. Hey, if we're giving out jobs, I personally think the best candidate for Holy Roman Emperor covering Kosovo would be Tsar Dusan of the medieval Serbian Empire; the heartland of which was precisely here. I mean, at least a Serbian Emperor would be indigenous to the place - unlike your favourite, Franz Josef Hapsburg, who resigned from your proposed job anyway in 1914, when he chose the course of general war over general peace, encouraged as always by another 'holy Roman' (you know, the one in the Vatican), and the other one in Berlin.
Wow, that was a long sentence. Hope it wasn't too much for you.
Here's another one: Kindly confirm that you're not a little pocket antichrist sent out to sap the intellectual energy of the innocent Serbian body politic with idiotic discussion themes, eg the Serbs might invade Hapsburg Germany or somesuch similiar tomfoolery.
'Cos you are quite bizarre in an irrelevant kind of way.
Neither Habsburg Dinasty, nor Austria, Hungary or any other country has ever ruled on Kosovo.
Kosovo was part of the Roman Empire (and Ottoman Empire as its' continuation) and Serbia (whom was either part of Roman and Ottoman empire or part of Yugoslavia).
To: 76 just_a_serb
You wrote:
"Kosovo was part of the Roman Empire"
Very true. So True indeed that Cardinal Torquemada defender of the Holy Roman Empire stated once that (paraphrasing) "any nation that was part of the (once Pagan) now Holy Roman Empire will always be part of the Empire, no nation can ever leave this Empire."
That's the whole point of what I wrote above that Serbia and Kosovo have always belonged to the Roman Empire either Pagan or Roman Catholic.
The House of Habsburg have produced more Roman Emperors than any other royal house.
The House of Habsburg have a better claim to the Office of the Holy Roman Emperor than others.
Therefore House of Habsburg had a better claim to greater Serbia in 1914 but you Serbs rejected this authority of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire setting into motion the destruction of a legitimate authority.
Ignore history all you want. You Serbs are on the wrong side of history. You Serbs are instrumental in giving rise to the New World Order by the destruction of the Old Westphalian Order.
But please produce a better defender of the New World Order and the Serbian claims.
I have a Dante and a Torquemada among other great men on my side. Who is on the side of the Serbs?
I'm puzzled why do you place Torquemada on the side of "the Holy Roman Empire".
Rome was Pagan and was destroyed by Ghots and Vandals.
Second Rome - Constantinopolis was Christian for 11 centuries - that's the Holy Roman Empire. Alas, it restored present day Italy and defended it from Vandals only shortly, in 5th and 6th century.
Third Rome - Moscow - is the legitimate heir of the Second Rome, even by lineage to Monomach dinasty, though servants of antichrist did sacrifice the Royal Family to their master.
We, Serbs, were part of Holy Rome - Constantinopolis, and never part of the Pagan Rome.
Having in mind what we have endured from you, and those like you, falsely believing to represent "Christian Rome", and "Roman Catholics" it would be insufficient to have any man on our side.
So it must be it is the Holy Spirit on our side.
To: 78just_a_serb
You worte: "So it must be it is the Holy Spirit on our side."
The One Who proceeds from the Father and the Son?
Filioque??
“…And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of life, Who proceeds from the Father and the Son. Who together with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified, and who spoke through the prophets. And one holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. …”
Name the seven gifts of the Holy Ghost.
A: The seven gifts of the Holy Ghost are, Wisdom, Understanding, Counsel, Fortitude, Knowledge, Piety and the Fear of the Lord.
Q: What is Piety?
A: Piety is a gift enabling us to venerate and love God and His Saints, and to preserve a pious and benevolent mind towards our neighbor for the love of God.
Time will tell if the Gifts of the Holy Spirit will be made manifest in the Serb nation by showing Piety towards their neighbors in Kosovo. The Serbs will not. Therefore I can say: “You stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, you always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do you also. Acts 7:51
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The One Who proceeds from the Father and the Son?
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Nope. Not that one.
We've been resisting that impious heresy for nearly a millenium.
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Time will tell if the Gifts of the Holy Spirit will be made manifest in the Serb nation
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God chastitize those whom He love.
(and the lack of s above, for the third person singular, is not a misspelling)
So, not in, but to.
So what is wrong with the idea that Serbia gets allies in Russia and China ? Those are rich contries in full development, who have money to invest and pay, and not like USA or EU..
Serbia should look into the future and not expect that EU will prosper much. While rich Americans are leaving USA and going to Singapore and HongKong, do you recommend that Serbia should now join EU ?? Please wake up everyone, the new center of the world is being created in the Chinese sea !
To Russki:
Nothing wrong with Serbia looking to Russia & China for help. It is expected. They had help from Russia before. Serbs should stop courtin the west and look to the east.
The Serb government just adopted a contingency plan at an meeting on Monday that includes cutting off electricity and supplies to independent Kosovo.
This is how the eastern mentality operates. Use of force to get what it wants. Not to say that the modern west is any different but as George Bush Sr said it is a kindler and gentler force ha..
I wonder if any Israelis advisors were present at the "secret" cabinet meeting? How long before headlines read "Israel against Kosovo Indepenence"?
I also wonder if all those pro-American posters depicting American heroes with pro-democracy slogans on the street of Serbian cities have been taken down yet?
And Srdja Trifkovic please update us on the situation in Serbia. I find this "conflict" very interesting. Small for now.
A friend of mine in Greece related that a Russian carrier group moved by and positioned itself close to Kosovo.
Man, it's the first time I rejoice in a *Russian* fleet arriving at the scene of action. How times have changed...
I have been very thankful to Dr. Trifkovic because his weath of knowledge and insight into the international politics in the U.S., Europe and the Balkans, of course. I don't necessarily agree with his all the time (but surely most of the time), but I have learned so much ever since I came across an article about U.S.'s involvement in Kosovo back in 2002.
The discussions following online articles in the website have been of high quality too.
I must make it very clear that the fellow called himself "Michael Warning" is a very poor exception.
It is not because I strongly disagree his view. It is really his self-aggrandisement in presenting his very biased and wrong viewpoints makes me feel sick. For example, in #39, this genius proclaimed:
====quote from #39====
"Serbs stop appealing to “reason” or “rights” because it shows your hypocrisy. You have no argument based on reason or right.
Serbs just take what you think belongs to you, enough with the duplicity. It’s sickening."
=====end of quote=====
This is not discussion, nor a rational explanation of his viewpoint. First, Kosovo belongs to Serbia, therefore it is totally idiotic and illogical to yell that Serbs "take whatever you think belongs to you." If Michael Warning has some good evidence that Kosovo does not belong to Serbia, he should put forward his strong argument. This kind of yelling is clearly a mafia's "because I say so" attitude. It will go nowhere in advancing his argument. I assume Michael Warning is an American intellectual who thinks he knows something about history and politics, but actually he knows nothing at all. Very good examples are fellows like Francis Fukuyama, Paul Wolfowitz and the disastrous Donald Rumsfeld. They act, speak and behave exactly like one another. What a pity, what a disaster! The so-called think-tanks are full of people like them, no wonder the policy directions of the U.S. since the early 1990s are simply moving toward all the wrong directions in every continent.
I further suggest that we should simply ignore the remarks of a gangster like Warning. To argue with him is a complete waste of time.
To: C-Y Cheng
Recall, who Genghis Khan was and did.
What was China before that point in time, after that point in time and what it has become now.
Consider this Chinese Proverb: "You cannot fight a fire with water from far away."
Consider this other: There is always three things one better not mess with: fire, water, and God's will.
You know Cheng that rationality you pretend to use is eventually going to manifest at one point in time if you keep leaping back and forth all the time (I know but just take my word for it).
There will always be a Khan for China too, do you at least agree with this before consulting the mighty intellect?
Dr. Trifkovic.
Please comment on the following "Reasons for Kosova Independence"
http://www.kosova.com/artikulli/37510
Thanks,