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		<title>By: Political Mavens &#187; Another Old Conservative Fool Gives in to Clintophilia/Clintophalia/Clintocharisma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Political Mavens &#187; Another Old Conservative Fool Gives in to Clintophilia/Clintophalia/Clintocharisma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Bob Dole 2. Bush Sr. 3. Bush Jr. 4. Rupert Murdoch 5. Chris Ruddy 6. Richard Mellon [...]</description>
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		<title>By: cipher</title>
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		<dc:creator>cipher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 02:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miss Gorin&#039;s article and From The Top&#039;s video link provide ample evidence of how America is being transformed into a 3rd World pest hole from within.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miss Gorin's article and From The Top's video link provide ample evidence of how America is being transformed into a 3rd World pest hole from within.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle Rodramdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle Rodramdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2007 17:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cut off the illegal (voluntary) fed tax pool = christ

otherwise it&#039;s a corrupting influence domestically &amp; globally...

screw it.

i&#039;ll cut it.

anyone could.

but people are scum including the marvelous - oh, you look marvelous ms. gorin.

you look marvelous dal&#039;ing... it is better to look (seem) good than to feel (be) good.

And dah&#039;ling you look marvelous. -funny</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cut off the illegal (voluntary) fed tax pool = christ</p>
<p>otherwise it's a corrupting influence domestically &amp; globally...</p>
<p>screw it.</p>
<p>i'll cut it.</p>
<p>anyone could.</p>
<p>but people are scum including the marvelous - oh, you look marvelous ms. gorin.</p>
<p>you look marvelous dal'ing... it is better to look (seem) good than to feel (be) good.</p>
<p>And dah'ling you look marvelous. -funny</p>
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		<title>By: Becket Montague Saunders</title>
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		<dc:creator>Becket Montague Saunders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 04:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A serious question arises-was Chris Ruddy and the Lewinsky Affiar simply a deliberate cover for the then very hot story of the Ron Brown death ( hole in the head, plane crash, naked dead lady at Commerce building in DC  )??

I was convinced that Lewinsky was &#039;released&#039; as cover for the Ron Brown story ( it worked ), but now ownder if Ruddy was complicite or a willing dupe.  Just the thoughts of an ill-informed dope, and a one who is also not well read ( on these issues ).

I only recall that Ruddy was being interviewed on EVERY local talk-radio show in America when Lewinsky suddenly &#039;worked&#039; too well-and I thought ran beyond it&#039;s original intent-indeed, the Klintoon was suddenly swamped by the result.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A serious question arises-was Chris Ruddy and the Lewinsky Affiar simply a deliberate cover for the then very hot story of the Ron Brown death ( hole in the head, plane crash, naked dead lady at Commerce building in DC  )??</p>
<p>I was convinced that Lewinsky was 'released' as cover for the Ron Brown story ( it worked ), but now ownder if Ruddy was complicite or a willing dupe.  Just the thoughts of an ill-informed dope, and a one who is also not well read ( on these issues ).</p>
<p>I only recall that Ruddy was being interviewed on EVERY local talk-radio show in America when Lewinsky suddenly 'worked' too well-and I thought ran beyond it's original intent-indeed, the Klintoon was suddenly swamped by the result.</p>
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		<title>By: Becket Montague Saunders</title>
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		<dc:creator>Becket Montague Saunders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 04:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>on 17 Dec 2007 at 6:02 pm91389
So the Clintons are buying bloggers!

Well, well, well!


See an article some 12-18-24 months ago, &quot;Black Bag Blogs&quot;.  The net is perfect for slick tricks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>on 17 Dec 2007 at 6:02 pm91389<br />
So the Clintons are buying bloggers!</p>
<p>Well, well, well!</p>
<p>See an article some 12-18-24 months ago, "Black Bag Blogs".  The net is perfect for slick tricks.</p>
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		<title>By: Becket Montague Saunders</title>
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		<dc:creator>Becket Montague Saunders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 04:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>on 20 Dec 2007 at 7:59 pm

Dear 17juliagee, 

Two years ago CJ blew me out of LGF for posting a Ft. Worth Texas story of a city policeman who was actively pursued by Jihadists-and I had the audacity to show a link between open borders, the Islamo-facists and such a local crime story.

It seems to have so offended that they just tossed me.  I was only confused, but such actions color them, not me.

I have just printed your piece to read while driving tomorrow to daughter-the-lawyer&#039;s home for Christmas.  She is in Little Rock and is shocked whenever I recall the extensive and convoluted tale of CLintons Run WIld in the NAtural State.

My recollections of Watergate ( amended by the book Silent Coup ),  &amp; the book, Compromised-Clinton, Bush &amp; the CIA blow the fresh lawyer&#039;s mind.  Mena, Mexico, and Rose Law Firm are realities which we fail to employ in today&#039;s political metric.

God save us all, from the Devils among us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>on 20 Dec 2007 at 7:59 pm</p>
<p>Dear 17juliagee, </p>
<p>Two years ago CJ blew me out of LGF for posting a Ft. Worth Texas story of a city policeman who was actively pursued by Jihadists-and I had the audacity to show a link between open borders, the Islamo-facists and such a local crime story.</p>
<p>It seems to have so offended that they just tossed me.  I was only confused, but such actions color them, not me.</p>
<p>I have just printed your piece to read while driving tomorrow to daughter-the-lawyer's home for Christmas.  She is in Little Rock and is shocked whenever I recall the extensive and convoluted tale of CLintons Run WIld in the NAtural State.</p>
<p>My recollections of Watergate ( amended by the book Silent Coup ),  &amp; the book, Compromised-Clinton, Bush &amp; the CIA blow the fresh lawyer's mind.  Mena, Mexico, and Rose Law Firm are realities which we fail to employ in today's political metric.</p>
<p>God save us all, from the Devils among us.</p>
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		<title>By: juliagee</title>
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		<dc:creator>juliagee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 01:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Red Phillips:
Are you still tuning in? 1389 has been too harried lately to stay on boards for long and therefore hasn&#039;t seen your query regarding Little Green Footballs. Here is what she had written me when I asked about the whole thing (and believe it or not, this is the short version):

Earlier this fall, Gates of Vienna, Vigilant Freedom, some of the 910 Group bloggers, SIOE, Bat Ye&#039;or, and many others were involved in Counterjihad Brussels 2007 conference. 

Charles Johnson of LGF had nothing to do with that conference until it was all over. Then, all of a sudden, he started flinging wild accusations about the antijihadist movement being hijacked by white supremacists and neo-Nazis and fascists who had infiltrated all of the European parties that oppose open immigration.

Accusations of Nazism and the like are very serious. I don&#039;t like to hear them bandied about without some very solid evidence. You don&#039;t need me to tell you that the Serbs are STILL being accused of being fascists, Nazis, and so forth, on account of all the garbage that has been flung at us for the past fifteen years or so. Wild accusations can lead to hideous atrocities committed against those falsely accused.

On LGF itself, and in a few other places, I made some polite complaints about tenuous evidence against a handful of individuals not being any justification for blacklisting entire political parties made up of millions of people. 

But CJ&#039;s attitude is that anybody who questions his judgment is wrong, and that any person, or any party, who wants to limit immigration - anywhere - is evil, racist, and bigoted.

At about that time, Charles Johnson started banning huge numbers of people from LGF, mostly without warning. Anybody who had any interaction with anybody that CJ had already banned was gone too, and so ad infinitum. Anybody who voted up a comment from somebody CJ was getting ready to ban, or voted down a comment by one of his pets, got banned too. The only way to stay in CJ&#039;s good graces was to participate in the hounding and banning oneself. To hell with that.

Apparently, even before the conference brouhaha, CF had been banning a lot of people, and had already begun to water down his stance quite a bit, which was never particularly radical to begin with. In some way or another, he has sold out or caved or turned traitor or whatever you want to call it.

The long and the short of it is that, rather than risk being associated with the mindset of Adolf Hitler, CJ wholeheartedly embraced that of Josef Stalin.

No real difference, IMO, except for the fact that, as someone recently pointed out, the Nazis liked their socialism national, whereas the commies preferred theirs international.

Now, grab a crying towel in one hand and a barf bag in the other, and please read this blog post and the comments that follow. The Serbs came up in one of CJ&#039;s remarks, it was duly noted in the comments, and as usual, we didn&#039;t get treated too well (sigh...)

Little Green Footballs - Hitting New Lows One After Another

My earlier blog post on this topic was:

It is time to punt Little Green Footballs

Also - please read this forum thread - more about the Serbs. ... we are struggling to get an answer prepared on short notice for some not-very-patient people...

Gulf Coast Pundits forum thread about Serbs and LGF 

It turns out that many of the exiles from LGF turned up on GCP forums.

Finally - if you have time, Conservative Swede has a synopsis of the whole thing from his point of view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Red Phillips:<br />
Are you still tuning in? 1389 has been too harried lately to stay on boards for long and therefore hasn't seen your query regarding Little Green Footballs. Here is what she had written me when I asked about the whole thing (and believe it or not, this is the short version):</p>
<p>Earlier this fall, Gates of Vienna, Vigilant Freedom, some of the 910 Group bloggers, SIOE, Bat Ye'or, and many others were involved in Counterjihad Brussels 2007 conference. </p>
<p>Charles Johnson of LGF had nothing to do with that conference until it was all over. Then, all of a sudden, he started flinging wild accusations about the antijihadist movement being hijacked by white supremacists and neo-Nazis and fascists who had infiltrated all of the European parties that oppose open immigration.</p>
<p>Accusations of Nazism and the like are very serious. I don't like to hear them bandied about without some very solid evidence. You don't need me to tell you that the Serbs are STILL being accused of being fascists, Nazis, and so forth, on account of all the garbage that has been flung at us for the past fifteen years or so. Wild accusations can lead to hideous atrocities committed against those falsely accused.</p>
<p>On LGF itself, and in a few other places, I made some polite complaints about tenuous evidence against a handful of individuals not being any justification for blacklisting entire political parties made up of millions of people. </p>
<p>But CJ's attitude is that anybody who questions his judgment is wrong, and that any person, or any party, who wants to limit immigration - anywhere - is evil, racist, and bigoted.</p>
<p>At about that time, Charles Johnson started banning huge numbers of people from LGF, mostly without warning. Anybody who had any interaction with anybody that CJ had already banned was gone too, and so ad infinitum. Anybody who voted up a comment from somebody CJ was getting ready to ban, or voted down a comment by one of his pets, got banned too. The only way to stay in CJ's good graces was to participate in the hounding and banning oneself. To hell with that.</p>
<p>Apparently, even before the conference brouhaha, CF had been banning a lot of people, and had already begun to water down his stance quite a bit, which was never particularly radical to begin with. In some way or another, he has sold out or caved or turned traitor or whatever you want to call it.</p>
<p>The long and the short of it is that, rather than risk being associated with the mindset of Adolf Hitler, CJ wholeheartedly embraced that of Josef Stalin.</p>
<p>No real difference, IMO, except for the fact that, as someone recently pointed out, the Nazis liked their socialism national, whereas the commies preferred theirs international.</p>
<p>Now, grab a crying towel in one hand and a barf bag in the other, and please read this blog post and the comments that follow. The Serbs came up in one of CJ's remarks, it was duly noted in the comments, and as usual, we didn't get treated too well (sigh...)</p>
<p>Little Green Footballs - Hitting New Lows One After Another</p>
<p>My earlier blog post on this topic was:</p>
<p>It is time to punt Little Green Footballs</p>
<p>Also - please read this forum thread - more about the Serbs. ... we are struggling to get an answer prepared on short notice for some not-very-patient people...</p>
<p>Gulf Coast Pundits forum thread about Serbs and LGF </p>
<p>It turns out that many of the exiles from LGF turned up on GCP forums.</p>
<p>Finally - if you have time, Conservative Swede has a synopsis of the whole thing from his point of view.</p>
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		<title>By: Damir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Damir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To #15 MK: Shame on Ms Gorin... She should be cynically exploiting those poor Albanian and Kosovo Muslims in pursuit of their &quot;pro-Christian&quot; agenda!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To #15 MK: Shame on Ms Gorin... She should be cynically exploiting those poor Albanian and Kosovo Muslims in pursuit of their "pro-Christian" agenda!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noting Ms Gorin&#039;s defence of Serbia&#039;s Christians, I just wonder precisely which Christian denomination she is a member of. Orthodox, like the Serbs? Catholic, like some Albanians, such as Mother Teresa? I would hope that she is not just cynically exploiting Christians in pursuit of some non-Christian agenda!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noting Ms Gorin's defence of Serbia's Christians, I just wonder precisely which Christian denomination she is a member of. Orthodox, like the Serbs? Catholic, like some Albanians, such as Mother Teresa? I would hope that she is not just cynically exploiting Christians in pursuit of some non-Christian agenda!</p>
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		<title>By: Goodbye Natalie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Goodbye Natalie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a way, I owe the Clintons a thank you.  I used to wonder how the masses of people (i.e. Nazi Germany) could become so corrupted in their thinking.  

But when the so-called leader of the free world has an adulterous relationship with someone his daughter&#039;s age, in the Oval Office, on Easter Sunday nonetheless (probably while still holding his Bible), and 60% of the American people said &quot;hey, it is no big deal&quot;, I finally understood how most people are simply amoral bleating sheep waiting to be led to and fro.

Just a matter of time before most Americans sell out to the highest bidder, empty promises or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a way, I owe the Clintons a thank you.  I used to wonder how the masses of people (i.e. Nazi Germany) could become so corrupted in their thinking.  </p>
<p>But when the so-called leader of the free world has an adulterous relationship with someone his daughter's age, in the Oval Office, on Easter Sunday nonetheless (probably while still holding his Bible), and 60% of the American people said "hey, it is no big deal", I finally understood how most people are simply amoral bleating sheep waiting to be led to and fro.</p>
<p>Just a matter of time before most Americans sell out to the highest bidder, empty promises or not.</p>
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