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		<title>By: PhysicistDave</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/11/28/a-muslim-america/comment-page-1/#comment-68468</link>
		<dc:creator>PhysicistDave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 09:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Wilson stated “my piece was NOT about Islam. It was about the degeneracy of the U.S.”

Isn’t the reference to Islamization of the US somewhat allegorical, then?

After all, if, as you say, Islam “is preeminently the faith of the slow-witted and literal-minded,” the same is surely true of the dominant strain of contemporary Christianity: as you put it, “political preachers of the “Religious Right” … are, after all, theologically ignorant, poltroonish opportunists, and lickspittles of power.”

Indeed.

I’ve noticed in talking with Christian family and friends that very few are grappling with the intellectual intricacies of the Incarnation, Vicarious Atonement, etc. at even the level of, say, Lewis’ “Mere Christianity.”  Only a few (mainly Catholics) seem to have any recollection of Christian just-war theory..

Isn’t the historically interesting, underlying issue the fact that the dominant intellectual elites in Western civilization for nearly three centuries have been non-Christians?  From Newton, Voltaire, and Beethoven to Hawking, Rawls, and Barth, it is difficult to detect any strain of orthodox, Trinitarian Christianity.  Surely, the intellectual vulgarization of popular Christianity has something to do with this strange, longstanding opposition between the beliefs of the elites and the beliefs of the masses.

Incidentally, I am, I suppose, a member of those elites myself: I have a Ph.D. in theoretical physics from Stanford, and, like most elite scientists, I don’t think God exists.  (I do think I can claim that, unlike the dominant intellectuals of the last two centuries, I have not merely substituted some secular religion – Marxism, psychoanalysis, environmentalism, etc. – for Christianity.)

So, isn’t the death of serious Christianity as an influence on our civilization already complete, not something that will happen in the future?  Isn’t Western civilization giving way to a new post-Western, post-Christian world civilization?

Frankly, I think that is a good thing.  At least, our corrupt and decadent Western elites will find themselves destined for insignificance once Asia reasserts its traditional world dominance.

I’m homeschooling my kids, and they’re learning Chinese.

Dave Miller in Sacramento</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Wilson stated “my piece was NOT about Islam. It was about the degeneracy of the U.S.”</p>
<p>Isn’t the reference to Islamization of the US somewhat allegorical, then?</p>
<p>After all, if, as you say, Islam “is preeminently the faith of the slow-witted and literal-minded,” the same is surely true of the dominant strain of contemporary Christianity: as you put it, “political preachers of the “Religious Right” … are, after all, theologically ignorant, poltroonish opportunists, and lickspittles of power.”</p>
<p>Indeed.</p>
<p>I’ve noticed in talking with Christian family and friends that very few are grappling with the intellectual intricacies of the Incarnation, Vicarious Atonement, etc. at even the level of, say, Lewis’ “Mere Christianity.”  Only a few (mainly Catholics) seem to have any recollection of Christian just-war theory..</p>
<p>Isn’t the historically interesting, underlying issue the fact that the dominant intellectual elites in Western civilization for nearly three centuries have been non-Christians?  From Newton, Voltaire, and Beethoven to Hawking, Rawls, and Barth, it is difficult to detect any strain of orthodox, Trinitarian Christianity.  Surely, the intellectual vulgarization of popular Christianity has something to do with this strange, longstanding opposition between the beliefs of the elites and the beliefs of the masses.</p>
<p>Incidentally, I am, I suppose, a member of those elites myself: I have a Ph.D. in theoretical physics from Stanford, and, like most elite scientists, I don’t think God exists.  (I do think I can claim that, unlike the dominant intellectuals of the last two centuries, I have not merely substituted some secular religion – Marxism, psychoanalysis, environmentalism, etc. – for Christianity.)</p>
<p>So, isn’t the death of serious Christianity as an influence on our civilization already complete, not something that will happen in the future?  Isn’t Western civilization giving way to a new post-Western, post-Christian world civilization?</p>
<p>Frankly, I think that is a good thing.  At least, our corrupt and decadent Western elites will find themselves destined for insignificance once Asia reasserts its traditional world dominance.</p>
<p>I’m homeschooling my kids, and they’re learning Chinese.</p>
<p>Dave Miller in Sacramento</p>
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		<title>By: Seamus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seamus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 02:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an excellent and extremely important topic which is being ignored by far too many Americans. We are not just flattening all religions, it is growing apparent that Islam is becoming a privileged religion in our nation. Too many accommodations are being made in the name of &quot;tolerance&quot;, and to avoid being tagged as &#039;Islamophobic&quot;.
Here&#039;s a similar take:
http://revkharma.wordpress.com/2007/12/13/islamaphobic-or-christophobic/#comments</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an excellent and extremely important topic which is being ignored by far too many Americans. We are not just flattening all religions, it is growing apparent that Islam is becoming a privileged religion in our nation. Too many accommodations are being made in the name of "tolerance", and to avoid being tagged as 'Islamophobic".<br />
Here's a similar take:<br />
<a href="http://revkharma.wordpress.com/2007/12/13/islamaphobic-or-christophobic/#comments" rel="nofollow">http://revkharma.wordpress.com/2007/12/13/islamaphobic-or-christophobic/#comments</a></p>
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		<title>By: Clyde Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clyde Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 17:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never cease to be surprised at the tangents that writebacks display.  Several, especially &quot;Celine,&quot; seem to miss the fact that my piece was NOT about Islam.  It was about the degeneracy of the U.S.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never cease to be surprised at the tangents that writebacks display.  Several, especially "Celine," seem to miss the fact that my piece was NOT about Islam.  It was about the degeneracy of the U.S.</p>
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		<title>By: Ferdinand Celine</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/11/28/a-muslim-america/comment-page-1/#comment-54004</link>
		<dc:creator>Ferdinand Celine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 17:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many hilarious responses to a thoroughly lazy article.  First, let me say as an avid reader of this website for a number of years, I usually shrug off these hysterical anti-Islamic tirades since there is so much of real value otherwise presented.  This is just too too much.  First, this logic that since Islam= simplicity= it&#039;s appeal to primitive types inevitably leads us to the conclusion that Mr. Wilson and his sophisticated commentators ought to thoroughly embrace Hinduism with it&#039;s million and a half idols, prostrating themselves before cows and a little blue man and it&#039;s currently unemployed god of syphilis. It is clearly more sophisticated, if division and multiplication of the Godhead is our measure, significantly more &quot;mysterious&quot;. 

Truth has no mysteries, as all real followers of Christ know.  Y&#039;all sound like a bunch of freemasons.

It is often demanded of Islam that it Reform itself, but what has Christianity gained in it&#039;s perpetual acquiesence to the dictates of the times?  Tolerance, ad nauseum, but tolerance for WHAT?  A multiplicity of beliefs, a more lax code of sexual conduct? NO, the wholesale acceptance of USURY not only by the Protestant churches but also Catholicism has led to our current predicament. 

According to the Islamic position, which is not debateable, suicide (whether for personal, tactical, or political reasons) is forbidden.  It is an abject lie to paint any such activities as somehow Islamic.  REVOLUTION and TERROR are Western, post-enlightenment phenomena.  It comes as no surprise  that suicide bombing ONLY comes on the scene AFTER the wholesale rejection of Islam by Arab socialists (erm modernists) in this century.  Ataturk an admirable man my ass!

 Need i remind the otherwise intelligent readers of this site that the Ba&#039;ath party was founded by Michel Aflak, a Lebonese CHRISTIAN, SOCIALIST?  Ask ANY Muslim you meet on the street if they consider ANY act of so-called &quot;Jihad&quot; by wahhabis and their ilk legitimate and you will be met with a resounding laugh.  It is exactly like expecting Christians to accept Dylan Klebold or the Omaha mall shooter as holy warriors in the name of Christ.

True Christians and Muslims ought to recognize their affinities and common enemies. 

Usury is god and satan is his prophet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many hilarious responses to a thoroughly lazy article.  First, let me say as an avid reader of this website for a number of years, I usually shrug off these hysterical anti-Islamic tirades since there is so much of real value otherwise presented.  This is just too too much.  First, this logic that since Islam= simplicity= it's appeal to primitive types inevitably leads us to the conclusion that Mr. Wilson and his sophisticated commentators ought to thoroughly embrace Hinduism with it's million and a half idols, prostrating themselves before cows and a little blue man and it's currently unemployed god of syphilis. It is clearly more sophisticated, if division and multiplication of the Godhead is our measure, significantly more "mysterious". </p>
<p>Truth has no mysteries, as all real followers of Christ know.  Y'all sound like a bunch of freemasons.</p>
<p>It is often demanded of Islam that it Reform itself, but what has Christianity gained in it's perpetual acquiesence to the dictates of the times?  Tolerance, ad nauseum, but tolerance for WHAT?  A multiplicity of beliefs, a more lax code of sexual conduct? NO, the wholesale acceptance of USURY not only by the Protestant churches but also Catholicism has led to our current predicament. </p>
<p>According to the Islamic position, which is not debateable, suicide (whether for personal, tactical, or political reasons) is forbidden.  It is an abject lie to paint any such activities as somehow Islamic.  REVOLUTION and TERROR are Western, post-enlightenment phenomena.  It comes as no surprise  that suicide bombing ONLY comes on the scene AFTER the wholesale rejection of Islam by Arab socialists (erm modernists) in this century.  Ataturk an admirable man my ass!</p>
<p> Need i remind the otherwise intelligent readers of this site that the Ba'ath party was founded by Michel Aflak, a Lebonese CHRISTIAN, SOCIALIST?  Ask ANY Muslim you meet on the street if they consider ANY act of so-called "Jihad" by wahhabis and their ilk legitimate and you will be met with a resounding laugh.  It is exactly like expecting Christians to accept Dylan Klebold or the Omaha mall shooter as holy warriors in the name of Christ.</p>
<p>True Christians and Muslims ought to recognize their affinities and common enemies. </p>
<p>Usury is god and satan is his prophet.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/11/28/a-muslim-america/comment-page-1/#comment-53919</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 08:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In regard to Muslims, what do you sirs think of this list of serious &quot;Muslim&quot; inventions? Though it appears that they developed in spite or despite of Islam, as Dr. Trifkovic would say:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inventions_in_the_Muslim_world</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In regard to Muslims, what do you sirs think of this list of serious "Muslim" inventions? Though it appears that they developed in spite or despite of Islam, as Dr. Trifkovic would say:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inventions_in_the_Muslim_world" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inventions_in_the_Muslim_world</a></p>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/11/28/a-muslim-america/comment-page-1/#comment-53894</link>
		<dc:creator>ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 03:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A thorough perusal of the site thereligionofpeace.com provides a lot of excellent statistics and counterarguments to the usual PC nonsense about Islam.

For example, did you know that the most recent estimates of the number of deaths from several centuries of the Inquisition is 4000?  By contrast, in the last 6 years alone, since after 9/11/01, there have been around the globe over 10,000 jihad attacks with many tens of thousands of civilian deaths resulting.  In Thailand alone since 2004, there have been over 2000 civilian deaths resulting from Jihad attacks in the name of Islam.  In October of 2007 alone, there were jihad attacks in 19 nations with over 1200 deaths and over 2000 critical injuries.  Between 30 percent and 40 percent of the victims of jihad attacks worldwide have been in Iraq and Afghanistan since the wars started in those nations.  The overwhelming majority of victims have been civilians.   Every single day deadly jihad attacks in the name of Islam are reported through some news outlet somewhere on the globe.  Glen Reinsford over at thereligionofpeace.com has archived all of the attacks reported in the press for the last six years.  It&#039;s a superb site for getting a synoptic overview of Islam and if you scroll down once there you will find sections giving excellent responses to any trite Islamic apologetics you might run into.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A thorough perusal of the site thereligionofpeace.com provides a lot of excellent statistics and counterarguments to the usual PC nonsense about Islam.</p>
<p>For example, did you know that the most recent estimates of the number of deaths from several centuries of the Inquisition is 4000?  By contrast, in the last 6 years alone, since after 9/11/01, there have been around the globe over 10,000 jihad attacks with many tens of thousands of civilian deaths resulting.  In Thailand alone since 2004, there have been over 2000 civilian deaths resulting from Jihad attacks in the name of Islam.  In October of 2007 alone, there were jihad attacks in 19 nations with over 1200 deaths and over 2000 critical injuries.  Between 30 percent and 40 percent of the victims of jihad attacks worldwide have been in Iraq and Afghanistan since the wars started in those nations.  The overwhelming majority of victims have been civilians.   Every single day deadly jihad attacks in the name of Islam are reported through some news outlet somewhere on the globe.  Glen Reinsford over at thereligionofpeace.com has archived all of the attacks reported in the press for the last six years.  It's a superb site for getting a synoptic overview of Islam and if you scroll down once there you will find sections giving excellent responses to any trite Islamic apologetics you might run into.</p>
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		<title>By: Rev.Mr.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rev.Mr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GLA , enjoyed your comment. Well said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GLA , enjoyed your comment. Well said.</p>
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		<title>By: Culturist</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/11/28/a-muslim-america/comment-page-1/#comment-52136</link>
		<dc:creator>Culturist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 04:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any American with a shred of historical awareness knows our history is not all that multicultural.  How many Founding Fathers were Muslim? 

Were culture ephemeral this would be insignificant. However you are quite right that Jesus&#039; explicit call for a separation of God and Cesaer and the Protestant emphasis on literacy and self-scrutiny were key to our success.  Countries without this background have not led to first world democracies.  Muhammed was a political and religious leader.  Their region has never sprouted egalitarianism and fredom of conscience.

Yes Bush confuses America and the world continuously.  He thinks he is the president of everywhere and as such does not care for our sovereignty.  

Culturism holds that culture is not metaphysical.  It exists in people who need land to survive. Everytime we import a muslim, every muslim household is a space which we have given up.  Land is a reliable measure of sustainablity.  No land, no cultural continuance.  Our culture does not inhabit much of the West coast or Michigan or New Jersey.  

Dr. Wilson is so correct.  When we fail to distinguish our cultural heritage and its singularity we are confused, ripe for empire and supplanting.

www.culturism.us</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any American with a shred of historical awareness knows our history is not all that multicultural.  How many Founding Fathers were Muslim? </p>
<p>Were culture ephemeral this would be insignificant. However you are quite right that Jesus' explicit call for a separation of God and Cesaer and the Protestant emphasis on literacy and self-scrutiny were key to our success.  Countries without this background have not led to first world democracies.  Muhammed was a political and religious leader.  Their region has never sprouted egalitarianism and fredom of conscience.</p>
<p>Yes Bush confuses America and the world continuously.  He thinks he is the president of everywhere and as such does not care for our sovereignty.  </p>
<p>Culturism holds that culture is not metaphysical.  It exists in people who need land to survive. Everytime we import a muslim, every muslim household is a space which we have given up.  Land is a reliable measure of sustainablity.  No land, no cultural continuance.  Our culture does not inhabit much of the West coast or Michigan or New Jersey.  </p>
<p>Dr. Wilson is so correct.  When we fail to distinguish our cultural heritage and its singularity we are confused, ripe for empire and supplanting.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.culturism.us" rel="nofollow">http://www.culturism.us</a></p>
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		<title>By: John Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 04:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>America is an internal empire, not an external one.  We&#039;ve become the colony of the world,  and the war in Iraq is just a dog and pony show to take brain dead white Republican voter&#039;s minds off that fact and the Republican Party&#039;s part in bringing it about.  

&quot;Yet, even as various political leaders and public figures told us to shut up, sit down, and prepare for our forthcoming servitude calmly, neither the government nor the experts for the most part emitted the least discomfort with official immigration policies or the vast hordes of immigrants, many from Arabic lands, that fluttered across the nation. As I noted in a previous column, as far as the American Ruling Class is concerned, the Constitution is expendable, but immigration and the multicultural and multiracial checkerboard it creates remain sacrosanct, unquestionable, and untouchable.&quot;  Samuel Francis</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>America is an internal empire, not an external one.  We've become the colony of the world,  and the war in Iraq is just a dog and pony show to take brain dead white Republican voter's minds off that fact and the Republican Party's part in bringing it about.  </p>
<p>"Yet, even as various political leaders and public figures told us to shut up, sit down, and prepare for our forthcoming servitude calmly, neither the government nor the experts for the most part emitted the least discomfort with official immigration policies or the vast hordes of immigrants, many from Arabic lands, that fluttered across the nation. As I noted in a previous column, as far as the American Ruling Class is concerned, the Constitution is expendable, but immigration and the multicultural and multiracial checkerboard it creates remain sacrosanct, unquestionable, and untouchable."  Samuel Francis</p>
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		<title>By: PcH</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/11/28/a-muslim-america/comment-page-1/#comment-52120</link>
		<dc:creator>PcH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 04:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Jimmy&lt;/b&gt; said:  &quot;reason tends to turn against religion.&quot;

Only a corrupt reason turns against Christianity.

Men like Bush are corrupt, which is why they need Christ.  The man whose reason turns against Christ is the man who needs him most, but only by grace will the corrupt man have him.

The more corrupt a man is, the less aware he is of his corruptness.

The corrupt man is self-absorbed, which blinds him both to the reality around him and to an objective wit of himself.

The corrupt man lives in a bubble where he thinks his own reason is supreme.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Jimmy</b> said:  "reason tends to turn against religion."</p>
<p>Only a corrupt reason turns against Christianity.</p>
<p>Men like Bush are corrupt, which is why they need Christ.  The man whose reason turns against Christ is the man who needs him most, but only by grace will the corrupt man have him.</p>
<p>The more corrupt a man is, the less aware he is of his corruptness.</p>
<p>The corrupt man is self-absorbed, which blinds him both to the reality around him and to an objective wit of himself.</p>
<p>The corrupt man lives in a bubble where he thinks his own reason is supreme.</p>
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