Debate on U.S. Kosovo Policy Brewing in Washington
As we near the deadline of December 10 for the Contact Group “Troika’s” report on its attempts to negotiate a solution to the problem of Kosovo, the voices of reason in the United States are finally becoming more influential and more articulate than ever before. Over the past two weeks alone, John Bolton, Christian Science Monitor commentator David Young, and a host of prominent analysts meeting at a conference in Washington D.C. have warned that the U.S. policy in the Balkans is heading for the rocks.
On November 1 the Voice of America interviewed former U.S. Ambassador to the UN, John Bolton, about the future status of Kosovo. Mr. Bolton expressed the view that the State Department has conducted a consistently anti-Serbian policy for more than 15 years. Unfortunately, he said, this biased policy has continued even though there is no logical reason for it after the fall of Milosevic:
While Serbia is trying to establish an effective and functional democracy regarding human rights and other issues, the anti-Serbian policy has continued, especially with regard to Kosovo, where a decision in favor of its independence could only create other concerns. Such a decision could impact on the democracy in progress in Serbia, and the possibility that the Security Council would step beyond its authority, which would be very unfortunate. This is one of the numerous examples of behavior by the State Department, which is a problem the next President has to solve.
John Bolton is the most prominent former Administration official so far to be so outspoken about the U.S. policy in the former Yugoslavia. In his VoA interview he was adamant that the United States should not recognize any unilateral declaration of Kosovo independence:
Such a decision, which would be taken under threat of violence, would actually represent a way to reward bad behavior. The issue of Kosovo should be solved by two parties at the negotiation table . . . this is much better than to impose a solution on one side or the other, based on a wrong understanding of the situation.
Bolton added that the last thing we should do is to sow the seeds for future conflicts under the pressure of one side or the other. Of his new book, “Surrender Is Not an Option: Defending America at the United Nations and Abroad,” Bolton said it was focused on how the policy is actually formulated. He quoted a senior State Department official who told him that “if they knew how we formulate our foreign policy, Americans would be very dissatisfied.”
That the critique of the current U.S. policy on Kosovo is steadily becoming more mainstream was also apparent from David Young’s excellent article (“If You Give Separatists An Inch . . . ”) in the November 5 issue of the Christian Science Monitor. It warned that “Washington has been encouraging, and will continue to encourage, foreign governments to support a technically illegal, self-declared, independent Kosovo in the event that negotiations collapse.” The author points out that “there are more than 50 separatist conflicts across the globe, and few of the governments that have endured the bane of irredentism will be eager to recognize Kosovo if such a precedent could come back to haunt them.”
The State Department official in charge of European affairs Daniel Fried claimed earlier this year that “Kosovo is a unique situation because NATO was forced to intervene to stop and then reverse ethnic cleansing. The Security Council authorized Kosovo to be ruled effectively by the United Nations [and] stated that Kosovo's final status would be the subject of negotiation. Those conditions do not pertain to any of the conflicts that are usually brought up in this context.” But Young notes that, unfortunately, Washington's "unique" arguments “are actually engraving a separatist playbook in stone, blazing a glorious trail that separatists will follow with greater determination, recruits, and (in all likelihood) success”:
By so explicitly stating the merits of Kosovar self-determination and independence, Washington is essentially creating an innovative code, only to make the cipher publicly available. Current and future separatists merely have to manufacture the same conditions and sequencing that have compelled the West to embrace an independent Kosovo: terrorize locals, invite government crackdowns, incite a rebellion, and lure in foreign intervention and commitment to rebuild. Once militants get this far, Kosovo will no longer be unique— even by Washington's peculiar standards—and areas that share Kosovo's characteristics will be equally deserving of independence. The horrid irony, of course, is that declaring Kosovo's uniqueness has been Washington's deliberate attempt to prevent future separatism, but it is inadvertently teaching militants how to navigate the complex inconsistencies of geopolitics. In fact, the more thorough and persuasive Western governments are about Kosovo's "uniqueness," the more legitimate separatists' ambitions become, if only they follow the Kosovo model.
Not only has Washington had a hard time selling Kosovo's independence to all but its closest allies, the Christian Science Monitor’s contributor concluded, but the very basis for that appeal is even more threatening to governments that would face invigorated separatism in the wake of an independent Kosovo —even if that independence is informal and technically illegal: with the "unique" endorsement, Washington and a few European capitals create new separatist analogies for the future, and our failure to anticipate these complicated roadblocks will cost our allies more than anyone else.
The climate in Washington is changing. Over the past decade the nation’s capital has been the venue of countless conferences and symposia on Kosovo by the International Crisis Group, the United States Institute of Peace, the Wilson Institute, and a myriad of like-minded institutions. All of them shared one unchangeable assumption: that independence is the only solution. Their only disagreements, if any, have been how to get from where we are now to carving up Serbia and welcoming “Kosova” into the “international community.” Very few voices opposing the wisdom of that outcome have been allowed a proper platform and a fair hearing—until now.
On October 23 The Lord Byron Foundation for Balkan Studies, in cooperation with The American Council on Kosovo, held a conference at Washington’s Capitol Hill Club under the title of “Kosovo, a Preventable Disaster.” The whole-day event attracted some 70 attendees. Those present included journalists, a TV camera team from the Voice of America, Congressional staffers, policy analysts from various government agencies, and foreign diplomats.
Two members of the House of Representatives and ten panelists who addressed the conference did not agree on every point, but all of them were generally critical of the assumptions that are enshrined in current U.S. policy on Kosovo. To that extent, this event has contributed to kick-starting the ongoing debate, and to the creation of some badly lacking analytical balance.
The keynote address was delivered by Ambassador James Bissett, Chairman of The Lord Byron Foundation, who warned that a new breed of American political leaders have betrayed the trust bestowed upon them by the Founding Fathers: “By doing so they have abandoned the very principles upon which America was founded . . . [T]hey have lost the moral authority that formed the real strength of the democratic countries in overcoming the forces of totalitarianism.”
According to James Jatras, Washington’s irrational and destructive Balkan policy is to a significant extent the product of the ignorant and misguided notion that the U.S. can curry favor in the Islamic world by sacrificing Kosovo’s Christians to the violent jihad-terror elements that dominate Kosovo’s Albanian leadership. Such an unfounded notion shows a breathtaking incomprehension of the worldwide jihadist threat. International opposition and the Bush Administration’s failing domestic credibility put a weight on the policy, however, which can be dealt a fatal blow if enough Americans raise their voices against it.
Professor of Strategy at the Naval War College in Rhode Island John Schindler opened with the warning that “the much-misunderstood Bosnian jihad remains a troubling template for future Al-Qa’ida operations in the Balkans”—especially Kosovo—and across the world. Al Qa’ida considers the Bosnian war one of its top three victories (along with Afghanistan in the 1980s and Chechnya in the mid-1990s), as it provided Bin Laden’s legions with a place to win critical battlefield and propaganda experience. Dr. Schindler said that the jihadist success in Bosnia can be attributed largely to the successful application of information operations as a core element of strategy: “those who hope to defeat the jihad in the Balkans and elsewhere must learn to match the enemy’s formidable capabilities.” Recognizing Kosovo’s unilaterally complained independence would be counter-productive and detrimental to that objective.
Director of the Center for the Study of Political Islam Bill Warner presented a devastating account of the fate of various minority non-Muslim populations in predominantly Muslim societies. What has happened to the Serbs and other non-Albanians in Kosovo fits in with the tradition of intolerance that is endemic to the Muslim mindset, Warner argued, and that in Kosovo combines with a particularly virulent form of ethnic nationalism to produce a lethal mix. This theme was also developed by Ben Works, Director of SIRIUS. His focus was on the phenomenon of “predatory migrations”—of which Kosovo provides a classic example. Independence under whatever name and with whatever “guarantees” would only reward the process of ethno-religious cleansing that has been going on since June 1999.
Former New York Times correspondent in Belgrade David Binder focused on the overall dysfunctionality of today’s Kosovo: an economy stuck in misery; a bursting population of young people with criminality as the sole career choice; an insupportably high birthrate; and a society imbued with corruption and a state dominated by organized crime figures. Binder noted that political unrest and guerrilla fighting in the 1990s led to basic changes in Kosovo-Albanian society. The result is a “civil war society in which those inclined to violence, ill-educated and easily influenced people could make huge social leaps in a rapidly constructed soldateska.”
Doug Bandow started his closing remarks by noting that the only consistency in the U.S. policy in the Balkans is the odd insistence that the Serbs have to lose on each and every account. In Bosnia they are subjected to centralization, but in Kosovo they are asked to accept amputation in the name of self-determination. The Administration is continuing to act as if the outcome in Kosovo is preordained, which indicates that the U.S. has learned nothing since 1999. A unilateral declaration of independence would divide the EU, set a collision course with Russia, and alienate Serbia which is the hub of the western Balkans. To prevent a series of negative consequences, Bandow suggested, we need negotiations without preconditions and without a prescribed outcome. A clear warning from Brussels that the EU would be badly split by the U.S. recognition would certainly help. Serbia needs to focus on lobbying Europeans to that end.
NOT TOO LATE?—The rising opposition to the Bush Administration’s policy of bringing about Kosovo’s independence by hook or by crook is taking place at a crucial moment. With the threat looming of a Kosovo Albanian unilateral declaration of independence and Washington’s pledge of recognition, authoritative voices of sanity have started to speak more freely than ever before about the disaster that would ensue. But will anyone listen? Predicting a sudden attack of common sense in Washington is always a risky proposition.
The support of such respected Members of Congress as Dan Burton and Melissa Bean show that reasonable and courageous people can and therefore will do the right thing. More importantly, John Bolton, David Young, and the Washington conference participants have exposed, if more proof could be needed, the bankruptcy and futility of America’s Kosovo policy. It is a policy that cannot prevail in the long run, as now is evident to everyone but its authors in government and a few think tanks inside the Beltway.
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Chronicles Foreign Affairs Editor Srdja Trifkovic opened the afternoon session at the Conference by focusing on the need for Serbia to diversify her foreign policy options. Instead of continuing to swear by the receding dream of “European integrations” (not to mention the counter-productive “Atlantic” ones, that aim at NATO membership), Belgrade should make it clear to the West Europeans and to the U.S. that it can no longer be taken for granted. If the pleas and arguments based on legality, morality and common sense are ignored, Trifkovic asserted, then, perhaps, those based on Realpolitik will be heeded: Serbia is still the key to the region, and ignoring her interests will carry a price—yet to be determined and stated by Belgrade—for those who still think that they can carve the country up with impunity.
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Voices of reason in Washington! My dongratulation to all of think-tanks who participated in the conference. I am tired of reading distorted and grossly exaggerated stories from major news organizations about the American successful KosovA policy. "The most trusted name in news" and a long list of others, continue to misrepresent, in a serbophobic manner, the facts and scale of events in Kosovo-Metohija. The result of this kind of distorted reporting and even more twisted American policy in Kosovo-Metohija against the Serbs is a strengthening of the Albanian terrorists' resolve and aiding and abetting Islamic extremism and separatism elsewhere.
It is beyond my comprehension that CNN would invite someone such as Janusz Bugajsky (yesterday Nov 4) to mislead American audience about the past and the present events in Kosovo and and refuses to air a sincere and objective analysis like the one by Trifkovic or by any of the panellists who took part in the conference.
Dr. Trifkovic, your misgivings about John Bolton from a year ago have turned to be unfounded. As I knew he would, he came out on the right side at the right time. Furthermore, I expect that many more frinds of the Serbs will reveal themselves within the Republican establishment in the days to come. It is not certain that all this will be enough, however the odds are getting better all the time. But if the efort does succeed, there will be a quid pro quo and that is that the Serb-American community needs to deliver their votes for the Republican party in Ohio and elsewhere, something that did not happen last time around.
MISGIVINGS? Please check out
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1391088/posts
Bolton at the U.N.: The Right Man at the Right Place
by Srdja Trifkovic
Wednesday, March 09, 2005
Touche'. That article makes my remark trivial at best. I cannot access all your articles at the moment to quote what I was referring to. I believe it had to do with the Republican's support for administration policies regarding Kosovo at that time, and also the support for the overall neocon agenda to your displeasure.(The gist of it being that the neocons were really not interested in fighting the jihad, but conquering the world ) My reaction to such criticism was that some support for the Serbian position is better than none at all, just as fighting international Jihad in some form is better than not at all, reason being that there is always, no matter how slow, a learning curve at work.
is focus was on the phenomenon of “predatory migrations”—of which Kosovo provides a classic example. Independence under whatever name and with whatever “guarantees” would only reward the process of ethno-religious cleansing that has been going on since June 1999.
Uhh,..... more like since 632 A.D.
The Bush foreign policy in the Balkans doesn't matter. It's too tied down in Iraq, just as Vietnam tied down Johnson in the Pueblo affair. Better question is, What will Hillary do? She'll be elected President. She'll follow the policy that she anf Bill developed: Anti-Serbia. So we can expect a general war on the Huntington fault line between central Europe and eastern Europe. There's no doubt about it: either Serbia or Albania will be angry at one or the other settlement. And they will declare war on each other. Nato, the European Union, Croatia, Turkey, and the US will support Albania. Russia will support Serbia. And it's 1914 all over again. It wasn't worth it then; its not worth it now.
How is Bolten able to be a clear thinker on a subject where the establishment consensus in both parties is to the contrary, and yet be such a nutball on other foreign policy issues? The thinking that leads him to oppose Kosovo independence should have led him to oppose the Iraq escapade, for example.
And, while I'll leave speculations on Ohio politics to Tom Piatak, I think Mr. Bailey is wrong about Serb-Am votes for the GOP in Ohio. Maybe they didn't go that way in 06, but I wage it was the Serb-American vote, combined with "values voters" opposing "gay marriage", that put Bush over the top in Ohio in 04.
I find it interesting that so many replies here actually differentiate between Democratic and Republican policy's towards Serbia and the the Balkans. US foreign policy doesn't change with Bill, George, or Billary. It is actually very consistent over the last 20 years and 100% self-serving.
I would not be surprised to eventually find out that this recent change in course is simply a way to maintain instability in the region and pereptuate the involvement of the "indespensible nation". With every single conflict since Bosnia the one thing that crops up consistently is new US military bases. I fully expect there are plans already in place in Washington to put one in Vojvodina next.
True in 2002 as it is true in 2007 and will be during, God forbid, Billery's tenure:
Trifkovic wrote : .... Saddam's sins with respect to supporting terrorism pale compared to the Clinton Administration's warm embrace of the KLA, a terrorist cabal if there ever was one, composed of homicidal dope-dealers and pimps who now run Kosovo -- compliments of the U.S. Air Force -- having murdered or ethnically cleansed every non-Albanian they could lay their hands on.....
["IRAQ AND THE NEOCONS' PSEUDO-REALITY"]
Mr. wilder, the Serb vote in Ohio, the only state where it will make a diffence, follows the labor union vote and therefore the Democrats, even though there is absolutely nobody within the Democrat establishment that is on the Serb side when it comes to Bosnia or Kosovo. (It's a paradox of sorts; Both Albanians and Serbs, bitter enemies, vote for the Democrats in America!) On the other hand, within the Republican side there are many potential openings for the Serb-Americans. That is why I take issue with those who wish for Bush to resolve the Kosovo crisis in Serb favor but are not willing to give an inch and support the Republicans in some of their other foreign policies because they are Neocon driven. The Neocon aspects of the Republican foreign policy need to be downplayed as a reason for the Serb community not to vote Republican. The potential is there. If there is a concerted effort on the part of the Serbian church groups to make the vote go Republican, it will make all the difference. The Republicans need Ohio and the Serbs want to keep Kosovo. The choice should be clear.
I believe Mr. Bailey that the Serbian Americans have resigned themselves to the fact that Republican or Democrat doesn't really mean anything to them since both parties have been anti-Serbian consistently.
They are most likely voting for their best interests here at home and that won't likely change very easily.
Personally I am supporting Ron Paul for what its worth, it will mean no American Involvement in the Balkans which frankly is more than the Serbs will ever get from either party. More importantly It will allow them to control their own affairs and not have to worry about Soros Funded underminers of their real political will.
First of all, it doesn't make any difference whether republicrats or demicans run the US. It will be the same policy toward Serbia.
There are only two outcomes for the situation in Kosovo. One is the recognition of independence by the west and muslim nations. Which hopefully Serbia will then take Dr.Trifkovic's advise and stand their ground based on legality, morality and common sense. The only other option is that Russia draws the line in Serbia's defense and holds to it. Only then will you see the Germans and US back off. Putin may play that hand and I hope he does. Russia is the only one with enough strength to make the other two big shots back down. No one else matters in this situation but these three ( in the short term at least).
Mr. Spectacles, I understand what you are saying but that is exactly what the Serbs shouldn't be doing because that means that they will vote Democrat. I still believe that the Republicans can be persuaded to change the anti-Serb policy, even if they choose to explain it away as horsetrading with the Russians. Give them more reasons why.
Hey Jack Bailey, Bill Wilder, Mr. Spectacles! Don't you guys read what Dragan, Boba, and nikopiko are saying? That it doesn't MATTER which party controls Washington, US policy in the Balkans remains the same?
Therefore it don't make no never mind whether Serb-Americans vote Republican or not.
I believe Mr. Collins that it was my overall opening point, that the party doesn't matter at this point in time. The Republican party will have to create a reason for the Serbian Americans to vote for them not the other way around.
They did it once blindly when Bush was being elected thinking that the Republicans will overturn the Anti-Serb policy of the Democrats but that was proven false.
You can't expect any people to be told, "Well vote for Me because if I win maybe I will consider changing the policy if you are persuasive enough." and that they will go ahead and do it. The republican party has to pony up first if they want the Serbian vote.
I have to agree with the statement that it doesn't matter which political party is in power, still will be anti-Serb.
Foreign Policy in the United States has been dismal at best as long as I've been alive.
We have made strange alliances in the past that have blown up years after. Too many to list.
What I would like to find out is exactly how, as stated in the article, does the State Department make policy?
Who are these individuals that have been advising our Government with regard to Serbia (Yugoslavia).
I suspect we would be shocked at what we find...
US Kosovo policy or not I see only one alternative left to Serbia and that is to fight, and the choice to fight will not have anything to do with the 2008 US election or whether US chooses a Republican or Democrat as the president, it has all to do with, what will the Serbian people choose to do, my bet will be they will choose to fight for what is right, Kosovo is Serbia. It appears, historically speaking that Serbs are forced by outsiders to fight every fifty years or so, minor battles at first that lead to great wars, Serbia is used to burying its young, it is a sacrifice that has been repeated throughout Serbia’s existence.
It will be a hard lesson for some countries like Germany that has been involved in the Balkans three times (two losses and counting) in the last one hundred years, all actions directly detrimental to Serbia and Serbian people; but it is never too late to learn, perhaps one more great loss to Germany just might get the right message across. The US will perhaps finally learn why Serbs celebrate a battle they lost some six hundred eighteen years ago; Kosovo to Serbia is not just land.
Hello
Has anyone made this connection?
If the Albanians can claim Kosovo on the basis of occupation they set a precedent. That is having the majority of a population in a certain area of another state = independence/annexation. How convenient for another group of people busy building and occupying areas of the Palestinian west bank.
It seems often overlooked that at least some of the neocons were among the loudest in calling for the illegal attack on Serbia. Why?
Israel was virtually silent when Serbia tried to defend itself from Islamic Terror yet claimed that right to devastate Lebanon.
The israeli lobby had the power to influence events and didn't stop the bombing of Serbia 'back to the stoneage'. Forward planning?
Think about it.
Elizabeth
Once again, I believe that the Republican establishment can be influenced by the Serb vote, while the Democrats cannot. If you start from the premise that there's no use, you will lose Kosovo. Russia will not get into a new cold war with the West over it, nor is the Serb nation in a position to fight. The best bet is to ask for Kosovo a Hong Kong status and offer help with the Ohio vote in return, because whoever wins Ohio will be the next president. Forget about the bipartisan Neocon foreign policy as it need not apply in this case. Help the Republicans with what they need and that is Ohio. Contrary to what is being said here, the Serb vote in Ohio did not go Republican in the past.
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The point is that the serbian sovranity will be out Kosovo borders so the kosovo people will live in peace.
God bless Kosova.
One thing about the Kosovo status i cant understand is why dont the Albanians in Kosovo just keep having children and stay in Serbia.That way within 20 years they will outnumber the Serbs throughout Serbia then can claim it all the way up to the Hungarian border.They dont need to fight a war they are winning it already in the bedroom.The Palestinians can do the same thing. Its in the serbs interests to separate themselves to prevent this demographic suicide which is facing them.
Please read:
Kosovo and Westfalian Order
Response 20 "An Open Letterby" by Ljubinko Jovicic
Hello
The Serbs offered 'Hong Kong' Status to Kosovo. It has been turned down
The best thing the American Serbs can do is to vote for Ron Paul. Get registered as a republican and make sure he is the Republican candidate.
http://www.ronpaul2008.com
His policy is to take the U.S. nose out of other nation's affairs and restore the authority of the American constitution..
And about time too.
Elizabeth
For anybody who dares to make the claim that Kosovo "independence" is somehow inevitable:
The Albanians in Kosovo are mostly not native to the province, having infiltrated and/or invaded from Albania at various times during the past century - most notably by having participated in the Nazi occupation of Serbia.
To allow them to remain in Kosovo is to ratify and to reward the evil deeds of the Third Reich and of the Communist regime that followed.
They have a place to live - Albania.
I concur perhaps voting for Ron Paul would be a good idea, not only for the US but also for Serbia, and the rest of the world.
The best American Serbs could do is re-invest in Serbia, make the current leadership reasonable for upholding the law, make doing business in Serbia risk free, get rid of corruption and crime. Modernize the military with or without Russian help; diplomacy from strength seems to be the only answer the west understands, abstain from joining NATO and EU, until the future of Kosovo is no longer an issue, and is still integral part of Serbia. Join the Asian version of NATO, as well as Asian version of EU and try to join the newly created “Bank of the South” the South American answer to IMF or World Bank, Serbian American need to provide expertise which will stop Serbia from being victimized by the outsiders such as US, UK, France, Netherlands, but especially by Germany (which has done more damage to Serbia then any other country on earth), etc.
Here is just a small snip it on the “Bank of the South” from the article below.
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As a counter to both institutions, Venezuela and Argentina initiated the establishment of the “Bank of the South” with deposits of $1.4 billion and $350 million, respectively. Brazil recently decided to join, and this will greatly expand the financial capacity of the proposed development fund to be managed by the new financial institution. This new institution is intended to help finance social and economic development across the region without political conditions. Among the first projects that it will fund is an 8,000-kilometre gas pipeline across South America.
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http://www.guyanajournal.com/SA_IMF_WorldBank.html
hahah i agree with Mike , he is right.for some years serbians will be like Liechtenstein , because Vojvodina will be separated like the others in Yugoslavia
The problem of my countries hipocrtical policies toward Serbia are the same as with the government as a whole. The media and special interests. We can thank the selective reporting of CNN and other US and some British news agencies. We can also thank George Soros and the like. Last but not least, we can thank the past and present US administrations for foolishly trying to placate NATO and the EU which other than the UK aren't very dependable allies.
All of the Islamic Balkan FRY breakaway countries have been great hiding places for jihadists. My country (which I love), will reap what our government has sown.
Sadly,
Paxton
Hello Pappy
Yes you make good suggestions.
One thing they MUST NOT do is get drawn into the new Soviet Europe.
I write from England And we have watched our independence and sovereignty undermined and destroyed by sheer deceit and lies.
The Labour government, who must rate as the most devious and destructive government in Britain's history, promised a vote on the new EU constitution and have blatantly reneged.
They were going to try to make the referendum on 'in or out' of the EU thinking they could scare the people into voting in favour.
That idea is down the pan - we Brits would vote to get out given any chance.
The Serbs should keep their freedom.
They should be listening to Mr Kostunica who I understand wants closer ties with Russia.
Wise man. Russia is the coming giant. The Eu and United States are heading for disaster.
Europe will be Eurabia and the Americans Bankrupt.
Britain will be eurabia and bankrupt.
Regards to all
Elizabeth
Linked to this article from here:
U.S. Balkans Policy Finally Comes Up For Debate
I was born in Serbia and emigrated "Legally" with my parents back in 1967 to the U.S. I was hurt and ashamed that the USA would truly dislike SERBS. I do not blame the u.s. for taking out Milosevic,he needed to go but, he was set-up by Clinton during the Dayton Accords. Can the U.S. truly support a country(Bosnia) who has given citizenship to Bin Laden? Support Albania who supports( Human Trafficking). Where are our principles?
Serbia was the only country who knew how to handle the Criminal Albanians and all there AL-QAEDA friends. What are we doing? We are to stretched out militarily to help anyone in the world and we need to concentrate on Domestic Issues!!
Do Serbs Deserve Continued Punishment?
by Wm. Dorich
In 1918 British historian William Harold Temperley wrote: “There is no race which has shown a more heroic desire for freedom than the Serbs or achieved it with less aid from others or at more sacrifice to itself.” No better words have been spoken regarding the Serbians except for the words uttered in 1541 by Suleiman the Magnificent who said: “Pity the world if the Serbs ever unite!” He knew more about us than we know about ourselves.
After more than 400 years of Ottoman slavery and occupation of the Balkans the Serbs learned to survive. Did they ever unite, of course not! Serbs were denied an education under their Ottoman oppressors and Serbian history was recorded, not on paper, but through poetry and songs. My Serbian ancestors willingly sacrificed their lives in defense of their people. Those survival skills gave us such heroes as Sava, Lazar, Obllic, Bogdan, Karadjordje and Njegos. That gene pool has all but disappeared in our culture.
As a Serb who has suffered from the effects of double genocide in which I lost 17 members of my family who were burned to death in a Serbian church in Vojnic, Croatia during the Holocaust, I went on to lose the last 5 relatives of my name who were too old and too sick to flee Operation Storm in August, 1995 when Croats cleansed the last 200,000 Serbs from Croatia. My relatives were found a month later with their throats slit at a time when only Serbs were being blamed for crimes against humanity in the media [...] If we lose Kosovo it is because millions of Serbs were not willing to defend what is rightfully ours. If Serbia is further dismembered, and it will be, that is because Serbs have become cowards and unwilling to place their lives on the line. In the end, Serbs will continue to be punished—and maybe we deserve it?
William Dorich - I purchased a copy of the book and have passed it around my family. I found it to be excellent in many respects, but it needs much more careful editing. It reads in some places like it hasn't been proof-read.
But be that as it may, I think Serbs are tired of fighting. I think they are tired of burying their beautiful sons. I am not a native born Serb, I was born in the USA, but I have heard from my family over there about how organized crime had a large role in the Balkan Wars of the 1990's. I don't know.
Elisabeth - West Bank nothing! What about Arizona, New Mexico, Texas and California?
"Natural" - The present state of Albania illustrates just how peaceful Albanians will be when their lust for territory is sated, and how incapable they will be of governing themselves. If we could move all the ancient Orthodox Churches out of your way, I would say have at it. If the PR motivated killings of fellow Albanians by the KLA to rally international support for their "cause" is any indication, believe the Albanians would then turn their arms and attentions to annihilating each other, and I don't believe there would be any foreign intervention to stop it.
Jack Bailey - perhaps one day there will be a cure.
Brkich
How insulting to imply that Media Cleansing has not been fully edited. This is a man who received 17 major awards in journalism, including runner up to the Pulitzer in 1989—you would have readers on this site think he does not know how to write or worse, that his book is poorly constructed. Or do you really think his publisher was too stupid to edit his book?
David Binder who wrote the foreword to the book originally edited Media Cleansing due to his 25 years as the Balkan correspondent to the New York Tims.
It was further reviewed by Greg Copley, Editor of Defense & Foreign Policy Magazine. Two fellow journalists also edited the book as well Peter Brock himself who was foreign editor of the El Paso Herald for a dozen years.
Serbs are the overwhelming majority of Vojvodina and I assure others that this piece of land will remain in Serbia till an asteroid hits the planet and kills us all! Minorities still exist and live in peace and harmony there! This whole Vojvodina separating thing is a joke and should be let to die! My family are from Vojvodina near Pancevo and I have been there to see how many Serbs actually dominate the population now. Included are at least half of the 500 000 expelled Krajina Serbs by Croatia, who now call Vojvodina home!
If America tries to take this from us expect a bloody outcome and I will leave Canada to help my fellow Serbs without hesitation!
Democrats or Republicans, who cares they are all criminals plain and simple!
Americans Serbs shouldn't even vote at all! Ever since the betrayal of Draza Mihajlovic the great America turned into nothing short of Fascist state especially when Bill took office!
Hello Jack
I can understand your concern for your southern states. There is little doubt that the 'Kosovo' game is being played out there too. Using immigration and breeding to create an ethnic population which then claims territory as a 'majority. We have enclaves in England which will be very open to such a movement as well - by islamics. Such small nationalistic/religious areas exist all through Europe and around other parts of the planet.
This is why the present policy by the US elite is so evil and so dangerous. Recognise Kosovo and gives the green light for chaos and war from Spain to Cyprus, the Balkans and far beyond.
President Putin understands this and is doing his best to prevent an act of madness.
In the case of the southern states this elite doesn't worry because they intend to create a continental one America, stretching from Mexico into Canada and finally South America as well. The border between the US and Mexico is a matter of indifference. You will be just 'one' courtesy of the new world order.
But there is another difference between your southern states and the West Bank.
Who wants the land and who has the Power.
The hispanics have no real control over the US government. Some and growing influence but not real power. The policy of the recognition of Kosovo makes little real difference to them.
The USA and its government is, maybe, sleepwalking into dismemberment led by sheer corporate greed and globalization or I think, by greater design as well. Cheap labour, bigger bucks and who cares about the country. Its days are numbered anyway.
We all know that.
However the west bank is different.
Who runs America? Whose money buys American politicians of all parties with the exception of Ron Paul and a few others?. Who has dragged the US into a foreign war which is killing its sons and daughters and earning it the odium of much of the planet?
These people have had the power and control of America for a longish time - the time during which a perverse and irrational anti-Serb policy has been in place.
These same folk are also busy building on and settling large areas of the Palestinian's land and in doing so helping to foment and create islamic terror directed against us all. There is little doubt they intend to annex what they want including most of the water. God knows they are building a wall around it to keep the Palestinians out of their own back gardens.
By creating the precedent of Kosovo they can then lay claim very neatly and legally.
We live on it!. We control it and it is now ours! It is a spiritual yearning of centuries they intend to fulfil regardless of the injustice and the blood it will surely cost and already has. Not least the blood of the Serbs.
As they run the USA and all its military who will quibble. They have let the Saudis run riot in the Balkans as a sop. A quid pro quo. Kosovo and Bonia for the greater Israel. That it puts all Europe under threat concerns them not at all. Plenty of young europeans to sacrifice to fighting jihad when the tiime comes. (The Americans are stupid enough to use their young for our good. The Europeans will be too.)
Just one thought of as to what all concerned serbs and friends could also do.
There is another book reviewed today by Mr Malic on 'antiwar', a site which has been extremely pro serb . The site is not leftist but libertarian/paleo conservative.
'The Coming Balkan Caliphate: The Threat of Radical Islam to Europe and the West
by Christopher Deliso, Praeger Security International, 2007'
Read the article if you like, its good, but buy the book and send it to your local congressman or senator.
Judging by the apathy that greeted Mr Dorich's efforts I may be hoping for too much but its worth a try.
I may be carrying 'conspiracy' too far but it seems to me that it explains the irrational sacrifice of the Serbs which is not in the interests of anyone but a group of fanatical forward planning people. Take a look at the background of Madeleine Albright and her fellow Travellers - it makes a good case.
Elizabeth
KOLUBARA - 1914
In some fifty tongues the two generations’ old book says: “We know from experience that it is a thousand-time easier to reconstruct the facts of an era than its spiritual atmosphere”. ... All done, all said. An iota asked, perhaps?
The folk tune afresh:
“We don’t want to fight, But by jingo if we do, We got the men, We got the ships, We got the money too.” The tune, as it was, rings in our days at ease. Soul’s dream, else’s a nightmare, have they ever got hand in hand?
* * * * *
The Opera spiked the Brits’ line. It went on a jump in overtime: by blue this, or tint that, it misses the Drina’s single tread. The river bent, curled and crept, straight into the dreams and nightmare. How to halt it, how to hook it? Flip over by the swipe?
CVH’s the Polyglot Army: made of A, G, H, P, Cz, Cr, ... motley of a known book ... Tzar’s Corporal – Marshal of the “Y” – strayed into the Drina’s backwoods: pastures, streams, hamlets dressed in white.
Flatly beaten at Drina, they took another try. They had chosen a lesser river, Kolubara, win the battle: stride, sing, ... or die?
On the march Polyglot Army stripped the land of all alive. Reiss the Swiss had a plenty to see, tell and print. At that he stood firm in spite of voices from the side – to make up, to resign.
The work of a genius, or by the force of providence, or by the virtue of both the lot had glowed. Weaken as they were the Serbs held the ground. Hill by hill, the battle line shrank, forces fused: the swift counterattack broke the soft grass, the immense sky.
Polyglot Army chased by the wind, gloried to an eternal crown: they would come with Bismark’s Grenadiers, next time, ... next time?
/PDJGBP - 2006/(86)
A man Reiss was a Swiss. Swiss national it is - and a Serb by his heart and soul’s take. To say most of the Swiss are Reiss alike would be ... a bit much. Yet, in life and in deeds he tests all at fault.
Reiss came to Serbia in the thick of war: he replied the king’s call. He sees the Polyglot Army’ feat - evil as it was: made the due report to the world, and to the king.
Small country burns. Her folk is on the rope. Fabled force, supreme culture, ... this and that, they fix the bloody toll. A loner in the field observes a great malaise, and a sharp rupture.
At a foot of the hill a meadow sits; tiny spring of water, a pristine church; the duke’s dormitory under the galactic tree, in stark tranquillity. A sole man’s grave sets a mark. Swiss, German, and the Serb: Reiss, rest in peace at that place since nineteen-twenty-nine.
PDJGBP/... 93/
In the UK Observer today, one of the country's leading domestic political commentators (Andrew Rawnsley) has alerted the UK public to storm clouds over the Balkans, around the Dec 10th deadline. The title is "We risk sleepwalking into another war in the Balkans".
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2212980,00.html
His understanding of the Balkans is lamentable, and other than the title which is correct, it is a poor article, a propaganda piece. But the key thing is that the alarm is finally raised in the UK, and the responses to the article are diverse and suggest that awareness has been raised.
Nevertheless, former defence minister Geoff Hoon, once said that it is inconceivable that UK foreign policy would not be aligned with that of the USA. Since Uncle Sam does not seek UK approval for its policies, I guess that was a tacit admission that UK foreign policy is determined from the White-House. The Holy Grail of EU unity will only happen when the other EU countries likewise surrender to the USA, as the UK has done & which France seems to now be doing.
But no unity so far, this Albanian UDI independence is going to create political chaos amongst allies. this may also be one of Uncle Sam's intents; it requires the EU to be economically strong, and politically weak. Exposing these divisions and the painful consequences will revitalise the search for a means to unity, of which there is only one viable prospect (albeit a bad one) - 'do as you are told'.
I shall be ready to reconsider eventual independence of Kosovo after the proclamation of independent Scotland, Quebec, Corsica, Catalonia and Pays Basque, and Ireland's reunification with the Six Counties.
A second important article in two days in the UK press.
Doubts are now being openly aired it seems, by a senior journalist at the Guardian newspaper, long time propagandists against the Serbs.
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/simon_tisdall/2007/11/the_balkan_bad_boys_warning.html
I am an Ohio voter. I am of Irish descent, and I am very angry that we have stabbed our Serbian allies in the back for the Albanian criminals. There is a large Serbian community in Cleveland, Akron & Canton and we support them. They were our allies in World Wars I & II and we have not forgotten them. An article in the London Economist said that while the Clinton administration claimed that the Serbs killed 100,000 muslims, pretext for bombing Serbia involved only 45 criminals who were murdering Serbian police and civilians. Why doesn't CNN, ABC, Fox, NBC, BBC & CBS mention the 145+ destroyed Christian churches since the UN imposed "peace" came about? (We in Ohio are also against gay "marriage.")
Dear Irish gentleman,
please read Westphalian World Order-response 20. by Ljubinko Jovicic. "An Open Letter"
Track back Chronicles articles.
Kind regards
Ljubinko Jovicic
email ljubinko732.jovicic@laposte.net
It's about time to recognize the historical right of Kosova (Dardania) to have its destiny fulfilled-That is full independence. Kosova never was a Serbian province. It was there, since the times of birth of European civilization, a very distinct Dardanian/llyrian identity. Always populated by Dardanias who, although under constant pressure of forcefully migration by Serbian shovinism, Tito's Yugoslavia & Milloshevic's Serbia, still make up 92% of the population. They speak ilirian language with the dialect GEGE. Serbs always have been a minority there. We know that Serbs appeared in Balkans (then llyria) only by the 6th Century AD, and they speak a language more similar to Ukrainian then Russian. They have always been a minority and 'the story' of Kosova being the Heartland of Serbia is just a pure Serbian nationalist fantasy. Facts Speak Louder Than Words and Serbian’s Lies Will Collapse by Themselves. Serbs always have been considered as oppressors there, not just by Albanian majority, but also by other ethnic groups too. Serbs just occupied Kosova during the rise of the Serbian nationalism early 20th century from Ottomans, who by then were loosing the Balkans after 500 years of occupation. The borders of Kosova are well established and recognized. Now Kosova should be Free! http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/62/094.html
I can’t comprehend how a minority of 7% of the population, pretend to take off the land, the language, culture and the life of the rest of Kosova. Kosovars have the right to live free and independent in their land where they are born, generation after generation, live and will die.
http://www.gendercide.org/case_kosovo.html