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	<title>Comments on: Containing Russia: Back to the Future?</title>
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		<title>By: Robert Pinkerton</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/10/19/containing-russia-back-to-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-38949</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Pinkerton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 00:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Born in 1944, I had been a Cold Warrior since advent of political consciousness. From age 17 (in 1962) until the fall of the USSR, the last paragraph of any letter I wrote was &quot;... ceterum censeo delendam esse Muscoviam.&quot; Solely and squarely on foreign-policy issues, I was a Goldwater activist in 1964. Once again solely and squarely on foreign policy issues, although I am the opposite of rich, I gave $1,000.00 to Mr. Reagan&#039;s 1980 campaign. Because, between Reagan and Pope John Paul II, the Soviet Union was made to fall without an horrific world war, I forgave Mr. Reagan&#039;s otherwise grossly negligent abdication of any State&#039;s suzerain role over its economy, though I execrate the results of that negligence.

Long-time friends ask me why I became so indulgent to Boris Yeltsin and now to &lt;i&gt;Gospodin&lt;/i&gt; Putin -- even to the point of forgiving the latter&#039;s past as a full Colonel in the KGB. My answer? Mother Russia was possessed of a devil from 1917 to 1991. Now it is necessary for her to recover from the ordeal of possession. Though I might be proved wrong before I die, I believe at this writing that &quot;Tsar Vladimir&quot; is &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; the rabid dog that the Soviet leaders were.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Born in 1944, I had been a Cold Warrior since advent of political consciousness. From age 17 (in 1962) until the fall of the USSR, the last paragraph of any letter I wrote was "... ceterum censeo delendam esse Muscoviam." Solely and squarely on foreign-policy issues, I was a Goldwater activist in 1964. Once again solely and squarely on foreign policy issues, although I am the opposite of rich, I gave $1,000.00 to Mr. Reagan's 1980 campaign. Because, between Reagan and Pope John Paul II, the Soviet Union was made to fall without an horrific world war, I forgave Mr. Reagan's otherwise grossly negligent abdication of any State's suzerain role over its economy, though I execrate the results of that negligence.</p>
<p>Long-time friends ask me why I became so indulgent to Boris Yeltsin and now to <i>Gospodin</i> Putin -- even to the point of forgiving the latter's past as a full Colonel in the KGB. My answer? Mother Russia was possessed of a devil from 1917 to 1991. Now it is necessary for her to recover from the ordeal of possession. Though I might be proved wrong before I die, I believe at this writing that "Tsar Vladimir" is <i>not</i> the rabid dog that the Soviet leaders were.</p>
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		<title>By: Relations with Russia &#171; Vox Nova</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/10/19/containing-russia-back-to-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-33091</link>
		<dc:creator>Relations with Russia &#171; Vox Nova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] with&#160;Russia  Chronicles Magazine published an article from the Russian Minister of Foreign Affairs that had been originally written for [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mickey Droney</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/10/19/containing-russia-back-to-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-32519</link>
		<dc:creator>Mickey Droney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In contrast to the Soviet Union, Russia is an open country that does not erect walls, either physical or political. On the contrary, Russia calls for the removal of visa barriers and other artificial hurdles in international relations. It espouses democracy and market economics as the right bases for social and political order and economic life.&quot;

That paragraph is frightening.  Maybe Russia should just join the EU and we can get this whole on-world government-thing moving more quickly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"In contrast to the Soviet Union, Russia is an open country that does not erect walls, either physical or political. On the contrary, Russia calls for the removal of visa barriers and other artificial hurdles in international relations. It espouses democracy and market economics as the right bases for social and political order and economic life."</p>
<p>That paragraph is frightening.  Maybe Russia should just join the EU and we can get this whole on-world government-thing moving more quickly.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/10/19/containing-russia-back-to-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-32497</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a case on point for Trifkovic # 13 :
 &quot;THE ESSENTIAL THING IS that we need to DISCRIMINATE between fools&quot; see www.takimag.com/   

 &quot;Like the proverbial canary in the coal mine, the now-infamous confrontation between Hitchens and Father Rutler at Manhattan’s Union League Club on May 1 portends worse things ahead. It reveals a deadly weakness in the conservative movement. It shows how carelessly and reflexively we have fallen into the habit of treating our enemies as friends, and our friends as enemies. Many of us, it appears, have lost the ability to tell the difference. This is no trival flaw. Unless corrected, it spells doom for our movement, and perhaps ultimately for our Republic.&quot;


http://www.takimag.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a case on point for Trifkovic # 13 :<br />
 "THE ESSENTIAL THING IS that we need to DISCRIMINATE between fools" see <a href="http://www.takimag.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.takimag.com/</a>   </p>
<p> "Like the proverbial canary in the coal mine, the now-infamous confrontation between Hitchens and Father Rutler at Manhattan’s Union League Club on May 1 portends worse things ahead. It reveals a deadly weakness in the conservative movement. It shows how carelessly and reflexively we have fallen into the habit of treating our enemies as friends, and our friends as enemies. Many of us, it appears, have lost the ability to tell the difference. This is no trival flaw. Unless corrected, it spells doom for our movement, and perhaps ultimately for our Republic."</p>
<p><a href="http://www.takimag.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.takimag.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: TRIFKOVIC</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/10/19/containing-russia-back-to-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-32492</link>
		<dc:creator>TRIFKOVIC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;European&quot; above is generic and cultural, of course...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"European" above is generic and cultural, of course...</p>
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		<title>By: robert m. peters</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/10/19/containing-russia-back-to-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-32283</link>
		<dc:creator>robert m. peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 04:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DR. TRIFKOVIC

Lavrov and Putin this country boy from the hills of north Louisiana ain&#039;t, but I&#039;ll put your hospitality to the test the next time I venture to the North Shore of Chicago.  However, finding your undisclosed location may be a challenge.

Now, my table is also good and witty, warm, friendly, amusing and decent people are often to be found there; however, there is no cellar here because the water is only about two feet under the ground.  Were it here, it would not be well stocked, save for iced-tea and butter milk!</description>
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<p>Lavrov and Putin this country boy from the hills of north Louisiana ain't, but I'll put your hospitality to the test the next time I venture to the North Shore of Chicago.  However, finding your undisclosed location may be a challenge.</p>
<p>Now, my table is also good and witty, warm, friendly, amusing and decent people are often to be found there; however, there is no cellar here because the water is only about two feet under the ground.  Were it here, it would not be well stocked, save for iced-tea and butter milk!</p>
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		<title>By: TRIFKOVIC</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/10/19/containing-russia-back-to-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-32264</link>
		<dc:creator>TRIFKOVIC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 03:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THE ESSENTIAL THING IS that we need to DISCRIMINATE between fools, knaves and idiots on one side and real men on the other. Frank and meaningful DISCRIMINATION is the key to every society&#039;s survival. As for the issue on hand, I&#039;d gladly have Mr. Lavrov (or his boss, Pres. V.V. Putin, for that matter) as a welcome and honored guest at my dinner table, but not -- God, assuredly not -- Mrs. Clinton, Mr. Clinton, Mr. G.W. Bush, Mr. Biden, Mr. Lantos, Dr. Albright, Dr. Rice, Mr. Holbrooke, Gen. Clark, et al.  Who cares -- they&#039;ll scoff -- we are welcome at all smart parties inside the Beltway; but my table is good, my cellar is well stocked, and witty, warm, friendly, amusing and decent people are often to be found there. It is a life form they just cannot morph into, alas. &quot;Chronicles&quot; editors and contributors and a few like-minded Europeans are always welcome, it&#039;s an idiot-free-zone here in the Secure Undisclosed Location on Chicago&#039;s North Shore....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THE ESSENTIAL THING IS that we need to DISCRIMINATE between fools, knaves and idiots on one side and real men on the other. Frank and meaningful DISCRIMINATION is the key to every society's survival. As for the issue on hand, I'd gladly have Mr. Lavrov (or his boss, Pres. V.V. Putin, for that matter) as a welcome and honored guest at my dinner table, but not -- God, assuredly not -- Mrs. Clinton, Mr. Clinton, Mr. G.W. Bush, Mr. Biden, Mr. Lantos, Dr. Albright, Dr. Rice, Mr. Holbrooke, Gen. Clark, et al.  Who cares -- they'll scoff -- we are welcome at all smart parties inside the Beltway; but my table is good, my cellar is well stocked, and witty, warm, friendly, amusing and decent people are often to be found there. It is a life form they just cannot morph into, alas. "Chronicles" editors and contributors and a few like-minded Europeans are always welcome, it's an idiot-free-zone here in the Secure Undisclosed Location on Chicago's North Shore....</p>
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		<title>By: robert m. peters</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/10/19/containing-russia-back-to-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-32256</link>
		<dc:creator>robert m. peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 03:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If one lent an ear to the Fox-sponsored Republican &quot;debates&quot; on this October eve, one heard that the star of Putin and Russia is rising in the pantheon of enemies of the Neo-con and Rockefeller Republicans.  Osama, were he listening to the debates, might feel that he is about to become a second tier enemy.  He might even feel slighted.  A co-star with Russia on the newly emerging enemies list is China.  The refrain is to build a larger and more advanced military to &quot;defend&quot; against these &quot;threats.&quot;  With the exception of one man on the podium, these Republicans represent a ship of fools - our ship!  The problem is, that unlike Jonah, who volunteered to be thrown over board to save the ship and the crew, these men will throw or have already thrown us over board.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If one lent an ear to the Fox-sponsored Republican "debates" on this October eve, one heard that the star of Putin and Russia is rising in the pantheon of enemies of the Neo-con and Rockefeller Republicans.  Osama, were he listening to the debates, might feel that he is about to become a second tier enemy.  He might even feel slighted.  A co-star with Russia on the newly emerging enemies list is China.  The refrain is to build a larger and more advanced military to "defend" against these "threats."  With the exception of one man on the podium, these Republicans represent a ship of fools - our ship!  The problem is, that unlike Jonah, who volunteered to be thrown over board to save the ship and the crew, these men will throw or have already thrown us over board.</p>
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		<title>By: m. zurich</title>
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		<dc:creator>m. zurich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 00:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The corporate press in the U.S. is pathetically one-sided beyond measure. It is responsible for first encouraging and second allowing, (never mind without normal questioning but with actual cheap cheerleading), all of the foreign policy mistakes of the past 10 years.

It is always pleasant of course to see sanity ‘reimposing’ itself…

Here is the maxim under one pseudonym or another I have always reminded us of: ‘Absolute or perfect balance in the world is rigged to be not possible (the world is alive and dynamic, not hypothetical); and for this very reason on the other hand approximate balance is Requisite.’

Children or more specifically ‘adolescents’ “think” or more accurately in this regard ‘believe’ in terms of absolutes … they take a non-dynamic [or absolute] wish or fantasy and ‘believe’ in it ‘as if’ they are actually ‘thinking’. There&#039;s is nothing wrong with ‘belief’ indeed it is in human or conceptual creatures a BIOLOGICAL necessity. We do it and will always do it all the time. The mistake is to confuse it with thought. A belief [wish or idea] is open-ended, and good in that regard. Apparently even mother Nature has proven to be paradoxically in some NARROW regards open ended in allowing for creatures (ourselves) who are not only aware and thinking unconsciously…but aware of being aware and also thinking consciously as well. A thought in comparison with beliefs or a wish or an idea is not open ended. Rather it is something complete in itself and something we can Do. Here’s a thought - ‘don’t confuse motion with action.’ 

‘In 2003 and 2004 came the U.S.-supported and financed “color-coded revolutions” in Georgia and Ukraine, the geopolitical equivalent of Putin engineering anti-American regime changes in Mexico and Canada.’ -Trifkovic

The ‘belief’ in American right to hegemony or the cultural underpinning of a jewish notion in their being ‘chosen’ … is adolescence. Putin argued in the past let’s give them the benefit of the doubt. Now he is acting, based on our adolescent belief that an untenable IMBALANCE toward ourselves in the world is a good thing, by his instead having to become the sane responsible parent…in noticing Approximate Balance is Requisite.

I have also written in the past of noticing his courage and sanity, and am glad to see it continues to be the case. Of course perfect or absolute balance is NOT possible…only the temptation to act in one’s own interests in tipping the balance/s…too much toward oneself. We can Hope once it is Russia’s or china’s turn to make that mistake they do Not choose to. Or if they do then perhaps in the future America may have its own Putin. That would be ‘nice.’
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The corporate press in the U.S. is pathetically one-sided beyond measure. It is responsible for first encouraging and second allowing, (never mind without normal questioning but with actual cheap cheerleading), all of the foreign policy mistakes of the past 10 years.</p>
<p>It is always pleasant of course to see sanity ‘reimposing’ itself…</p>
<p>Here is the maxim under one pseudonym or another I have always reminded us of: ‘Absolute or perfect balance in the world is rigged to be not possible (the world is alive and dynamic, not hypothetical); and for this very reason on the other hand approximate balance is Requisite.’</p>
<p>Children or more specifically ‘adolescents’ “think” or more accurately in this regard ‘believe’ in terms of absolutes … they take a non-dynamic [or absolute] wish or fantasy and ‘believe’ in it ‘as if’ they are actually ‘thinking’. There's is nothing wrong with ‘belief’ indeed it is in human or conceptual creatures a BIOLOGICAL necessity. We do it and will always do it all the time. The mistake is to confuse it with thought. A belief [wish or idea] is open-ended, and good in that regard. Apparently even mother Nature has proven to be paradoxically in some NARROW regards open ended in allowing for creatures (ourselves) who are not only aware and thinking unconsciously…but aware of being aware and also thinking consciously as well. A thought in comparison with beliefs or a wish or an idea is not open ended. Rather it is something complete in itself and something we can Do. Here’s a thought - ‘don’t confuse motion with action.’ </p>
<p>‘In 2003 and 2004 came the U.S.-supported and financed “color-coded revolutions” in Georgia and Ukraine, the geopolitical equivalent of Putin engineering anti-American regime changes in Mexico and Canada.’ -Trifkovic</p>
<p>The ‘belief’ in American right to hegemony or the cultural underpinning of a jewish notion in their being ‘chosen’ … is adolescence. Putin argued in the past let’s give them the benefit of the doubt. Now he is acting, based on our adolescent belief that an untenable IMBALANCE toward ourselves in the world is a good thing, by his instead having to become the sane responsible parent…in noticing Approximate Balance is Requisite.</p>
<p>I have also written in the past of noticing his courage and sanity, and am glad to see it continues to be the case. Of course perfect or absolute balance is NOT possible…only the temptation to act in one’s own interests in tipping the balance/s…too much toward oneself. We can Hope once it is Russia’s or china’s turn to make that mistake they do Not choose to. Or if they do then perhaps in the future America may have its own Putin. That would be ‘nice.’<br />
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		<title>By: Roach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 19:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why we didn&#039;t go to Russia and symbolically ask for their assistance based on their Chechen experience after 9/11 is a mystery.  We have the same interest in that part of the world:  oil, peace, and keeping the nut-cases down to a low roar. Instead we stupidly interfere with their internal affairs all of the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why we didn't go to Russia and symbolically ask for their assistance based on their Chechen experience after 9/11 is a mystery.  We have the same interest in that part of the world:  oil, peace, and keeping the nut-cases down to a low roar. Instead we stupidly interfere with their internal affairs all of the time.</p>
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