Comments on: The Way We Are Now—Alas! http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/10/04/the-way-we-are-now%e2%80%94alas/ Your home for traditional conservatism. Wed, 23 May 2012 18:29:15 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Carl Vehse http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/10/04/the-way-we-are-now%e2%80%94alas/comment-page-1/#comment-82908 Carl Vehse Sat, 02 Feb 2008 22:27:43 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=345#comment-82908 None of Dr. Martin Luther's writings ever stated anything like, "It is better to be ruled by a wise Turk than a foolish Christian". To the contrary, several of his writings present exactly the opposite view. In his "On War Against the Turk" Luther said: "I say this not because I would teach that worldly rulers ought not be Christians, or that a Christian cannot bear the sword and serve God in temporal government. Would God they were all Christians, or that no one could be a prince unless he were a Christian! Things would be better than they now are and the Turk would not be so powerful." Later he stated: "Moreover, I hear it said that there are those in Germany who desire the coming of the Turk and his government, because they would rather be under the Turk than under the emperor or princes... For it is misery enough to be compelled to suffer the Turk as overlord and to endure his government; but willingly to put oneself under it, or to desire it, when one need not and is not compelled – the man who does that ought to be shown the sin he is committing and how terribly he is going on." None of Dr. Martin Luther's writings ever stated anything like, "It is better to be ruled by a wise Turk than a foolish Christian". To the contrary, several of his writings present exactly the opposite view. In his "On War Against the Turk" Luther said:

"I say this not because I would teach that worldly rulers ought not be Christians, or that a Christian cannot bear the sword and serve God in temporal government. Would God they were all Christians, or that no one could be a prince unless he were a Christian! Things would be better than they now are and the Turk would not be so powerful."

Later he stated:

"Moreover, I hear it said that there are those in Germany who desire the coming of the Turk and his government, because they would rather be under the Turk than under the emperor or princes... For it is misery enough to be compelled to suffer the Turk as overlord and to endure his government; but willingly to put oneself under it, or to desire it, when one need not and is not compelled – the man who does that ought to be shown the sin he is committing and how terribly he is going on."

]]> By: PcH http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/10/04/the-way-we-are-now%e2%80%94alas/comment-page-1/#comment-26826 PcH Sun, 07 Oct 2007 22:31:44 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=345#comment-26826 Bede- You are right. I think everyone here believes you, but they might say that the Republican Party has always played the same game on invasion since 1860, when western Europeans and Irishmen ignorant of American politics, history, and culture were imported to fight Americans. Republicans pretended to represent American tradition. After the war, millions of eastern Europeans and Irishmen were imported to perform menial labour. Republicans made nativist statements. Around the time of WWI, millions of southern and eastern Europeans were imported. Republicans befriended "intelligent populists," ie, "Progressives." The game has expanded to all the white world. ALL white countries and ONLY white countries are being flooded with millions of aliens, and the whites are encouraged to intermarry with them. This new genocide goes on. Neos pretend to be "converted" against invasion, but they said as much back in the 1860s. The hoax is old. Now if more people outside Chronicles knew the truth as you do, things might improve. (I hope I got this issue a little better this time.) Bede-

You are right.

I think everyone here believes you, but they might say that the Republican Party has always played the same game on invasion since 1860, when western Europeans and Irishmen ignorant of American politics, history, and culture were imported to fight Americans. Republicans pretended to represent American tradition. After the war, millions of eastern Europeans and Irishmen were imported to perform menial labour. Republicans made nativist statements. Around the time of WWI, millions of southern and eastern Europeans were imported. Republicans befriended "intelligent populists," ie, "Progressives."

The game has expanded to all the white world. ALL white countries and ONLY white countries are being flooded with millions of aliens, and the whites are encouraged to intermarry with them. This new genocide goes on. Neos pretend to be "converted" against invasion, but they said as much back in the 1860s. The hoax is old.

Now if more people outside Chronicles knew the truth as you do, things might improve.

(I hope I got this issue a little better this time.)

]]> By: Bede http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/10/04/the-way-we-are-now%e2%80%94alas/comment-page-1/#comment-26821 Bede Sun, 07 Oct 2007 22:07:21 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=345#comment-26821 I don't know whether you saw the recent NRO post by Ramesh "Last Chance Armada" Ponnuru, but it confirms what I say above. The neocon “conversion” on immigration is a hoax. Seeing that the mainstream “conservative movement” is falling apart, they have feigned patriotism on the immigration issue, but it is completely insincere. You are not going to make a fish side against water. They are whole-heartedly committed to globalism and all it entails. http://conservativetimes.org/?p=1191 I don't know whether you saw the recent NRO post by Ramesh "Last Chance Armada" Ponnuru, but it confirms what I say above. The neocon “conversion” on immigration is a hoax. Seeing that the mainstream “conservative movement” is falling apart, they have feigned patriotism on the immigration issue, but it is completely insincere. You are not going to make a fish side against water. They are whole-heartedly committed to globalism and all it entails.

http://conservativetimes.org/?p=1191

]]> By: Aldebanlohoperaldi Huffghaffson http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/10/04/the-way-we-are-now%e2%80%94alas/comment-page-1/#comment-26782 Aldebanlohoperaldi Huffghaffson Sun, 07 Oct 2007 19:24:22 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=345#comment-26782 CRISPY HISTORY: Vhy did jewths recently BOMB syria? why not? - -?- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shamireaders/message/990 does ANYONE seriously 'believe' that any govts. should be receiving massive tax Bucks... Given the [low] level of development of the human species--with NOTHING to do but spend them, and contrive to GET more of them, from the rubes? what a joke. i have a headache said the fool. give me 40% of your annual income - you'll never have one again, said the charlatan. ok...said the fool... who was shrewd in that he knew the charlatan would STEAL it one way or another. Now at least the charlatan had to Pretend to be 'moral.' funny. it's better than 'nothing' thought the fool to himself... prudently. GO from there - it's REALITY. it's Why people wonder why I 'tend' to be toward the left... funny. ___________________________ CRISPY HISTORY: Vhy did jewths recently BOMB syria?

why not? - -?-

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shamireaders/message/990

does ANYONE seriously 'believe' that any govts. should be receiving massive tax Bucks... Given the [low] level of development of the human species--with NOTHING to do but spend them, and contrive to GET more of them, from the rubes?

what a joke.

i have a headache said the fool.

give me 40% of your annual income - you'll never have one again, said the charlatan.

ok...said the fool... who was shrewd in that he knew the charlatan would STEAL it one way or another. Now at least the charlatan had to Pretend to be 'moral.' funny.

it's better than 'nothing' thought the fool to himself... prudently.

GO from there - it's REALITY. it's Why people wonder why I 'tend' to be toward the left... funny.
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]]> By: PcH http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/10/04/the-way-we-are-now%e2%80%94alas/comment-page-1/#comment-26620 PcH Sun, 07 Oct 2007 06:14:36 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=345#comment-26620 Dr. Wilson, You know, I group all current politicians together as foes. But now that I think about it, "neo" can make it sound as if the parties only recently went wrong, when in fact the GOP was founded to slay the Constitution in 1860 and crown Yankee economics (state-capitalism) our form of government. So do I understand you to mean that by looking too hard at the neos, we make an alibi for Republicanism? (Which now is genociding us.) Dr. Wilson,

You know, I group all current politicians together as foes. But now that I think about it, "neo" can make it sound as if the parties only recently went wrong, when in fact the GOP was founded to slay the Constitution in 1860 and crown Yankee economics (state-capitalism) our form of government.

So do I understand you to mean that by looking too hard at the neos, we make an alibi for Republicanism?

(Which now is genociding us.)

]]> By: robert m. peters http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/10/04/the-way-we-are-now%e2%80%94alas/comment-page-1/#comment-26610 robert m. peters Sun, 07 Oct 2007 05:56:15 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=345#comment-26610 Dr. Wilson, As much as I loathe the Straussian neo-cons and the Trotsky neo-cons, I have long since come to realize that they are merely carrying the water for the Republican elite to whose ranks even the neo-cons are barred. Dr. Wilson,

As much as I loathe the Straussian neo-cons and the Trotsky neo-cons, I have long since come to realize that they are merely carrying the water for the Republican elite to whose ranks even the neo-cons are barred.

]]> By: Ben http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/10/04/the-way-we-are-now%e2%80%94alas/comment-page-1/#comment-26488 Ben Sat, 06 Oct 2007 21:04:33 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=345#comment-26488 “... The “7th Herzliya Conference” back in 1/07, had 5 different Presidential Candidates McCain/Giuliani/Edwards/Romney/ and Gingrich gathered on one stage for the first and last time prior to the debates……………………..Not in America, but in Israel. Yet citizens of Israel can not vote in U.S. elections. Thompson also made a pilgrimage ...” Sounds very much like a bad dream. The problem being it isn't any dream. Should serve as a jolt to those who still fantasize that our country is not ruled by that Fifth Column. Imagine, a mere 2.2% of the total U.S. population (according to jewishvirtuallibrary.org) decides who our President will be, what our Congress is and does, what our foreign policy is, which wars we fight. The real question remains, what specifically shall we, the 97.8%, do about it? P.S. Some six years ago or so there was that first US television interview with Russian president Vladimir Putin. One question was about how he and his wife liked to spend their spare time. Putin replied politely, mentioned a few things, said how they also liked to travel, and then (completely unsolicited!) added how they “very much liked to travel to Israel”. I was flabbergasted, and thought to myself, here is even the ruler of mighty Russia, and he still had to bow to them... “... The “7th Herzliya Conference” back in 1/07, had 5 different Presidential Candidates McCain/Giuliani/Edwards/Romney/ and Gingrich gathered on one stage for the first and last time prior to the debates……………………..Not in America, but in Israel. Yet citizens of Israel can not vote in U.S. elections. Thompson also made a pilgrimage ...”

Sounds very much like a bad dream. The problem being it isn't any dream. Should serve as a jolt to those who still fantasize that our country is not ruled by that Fifth Column. Imagine, a mere 2.2% of the total U.S. population (according to jewishvirtuallibrary.org) decides who our President will be, what our Congress is and does, what our foreign policy is, which wars we fight. The real question remains, what specifically shall we, the 97.8%, do about it?

P.S. Some six years ago or so there was that first US television interview with Russian president Vladimir Putin. One question was about how he and his wife liked to spend their spare time. Putin replied politely, mentioned a few things, said how they also liked to travel, and then (completely unsolicited!) added how they “very much liked to travel to Israel”. I was flabbergasted, and thought to myself, here is even the ruler of mighty Russia, and he still had to bow to them...

]]> By: roho http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/10/04/the-way-we-are-now%e2%80%94alas/comment-page-1/#comment-26462 roho Sat, 06 Oct 2007 19:11:12 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=345#comment-26462 The "7th Herzliya Conference" back in 1/07, had 5 different Presidential Candidates McCain/Guliani/Edwards/Romney/ and Gingrich gathered on one stage for the first and last time prior to the debates..........................Not in America, but in Israel. Yet citizens of Israel can not vote in U.S. elections. Thompson also made a pilgrimage I am told, as well as a visit to Baroness Margaret Thatcher. The Clintons, much more efficient, simply have the Chinese bring them the cash! Meanwhile, the MSM propoganda machine continues to tell "weak in principle conservatives" that candidates WITH PRINCIPLES can't win!....As usual, the war shout is, "But what if Hillary wins!"......Am I a conservative because I am a Republican? Or am I a Republican because I am a conservative?.....I will vote my principles, but I will not join the ranks of the GOP WORSHIPERS! The "7th Herzliya Conference" back in 1/07, had 5 different Presidential Candidates McCain/Guliani/Edwards/Romney/ and Gingrich gathered on one stage for the first and last time prior to the debates..........................Not in America, but in Israel. Yet citizens of Israel can not vote in U.S. elections. Thompson also made a pilgrimage I am told, as well as a visit to Baroness Margaret Thatcher. The Clintons, much more efficient, simply have the Chinese bring them the cash! Meanwhile, the MSM propoganda machine continues to tell "weak in principle conservatives" that candidates WITH PRINCIPLES can't win!....As usual, the war shout is, "But what if Hillary wins!"......Am I a conservative because I am a Republican? Or am I a Republican because I am a conservative?.....I will vote my principles, but I will not join the ranks of the GOP WORSHIPERS!

]]> By: Clyde Wilson http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/10/04/the-way-we-are-now%e2%80%94alas/comment-page-1/#comment-26405 Clyde Wilson Sat, 06 Oct 2007 12:32:53 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=345#comment-26405 PcH, you are missing the boat. To point to the necons or Hillary Clinton is a diversion from the main problem ---the Establishment Republicans Party. The neocons and Hillary are what they are. The regular Republicans are liars and traitors to the good people of the land. PcH, you are missing the boat. To point to the necons or Hillary Clinton is a diversion from the main problem ---the Establishment Republicans Party. The neocons and Hillary are what they are. The regular Republicans are liars and traitors to the good people of the land.

]]> By: PcH http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/10/04/the-way-we-are-now%e2%80%94alas/comment-page-1/#comment-26235 PcH Sat, 06 Oct 2007 00:02:50 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=345#comment-26235 Bede said: "The neocons are essentially lying about their 'change of heart' on immigration." That lot have always pretended to be against the invasion of the USA, yet they have worked hard to bring in, at tax payers' expense, the 100 million aliens that now live here. When the termagant is president, she will likewise claim to be against the invasion while she signs an unlimited budget off to the body shops that recruit the invaders abroad. This is part of the global campaign to flood all white countries and only white countries with aliens and have them intermarry. I think we should call the neocons and the neolibs as they are: <i>genociders.</i> Bede said: "The neocons are essentially lying about their 'change of heart' on immigration." That lot have always pretended to be against the invasion of the USA, yet they have worked hard to bring in, at tax payers' expense, the 100 million aliens that now live here.

When the termagant is president, she will likewise claim to be against the invasion while she signs an unlimited budget off to the body shops that recruit the invaders abroad. This is part of the global campaign to flood all white countries and only white countries with aliens and have them intermarry. I think we should call the neocons and the neolibs as they are: genociders.

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