Hucbald: If I'm not mistaken, when the riots in France broke out, not a few neocons argued that the French were getting their just deserts for being elitist-racist cheese-eating surrender-monkeys, no?

A specific article at NRO, effectively cheering the Arab rioters, was posted right here in Chronicles, as I recall.

"I think that deep down neocons detest Europe. You notice how many of them seem to be cheering its demise. They are just not reporting on it; they are actually celebrating it."

This is fundamentally incorrect, as any reader of The Corner and other mainstream conservative and libertarian-conservative outlets knows. Derbyshire would agree with me, and he'd be the first to make your point... if it were true, which it isn't.

15 Ed Roberts

"The neocon pundits at NRO are traitors and should be tried as such."

This is, clearly, insane. You sound like a leftard Huffpot or Kossack. I'd have quoted more, but you go completely 'round the bend in subsequent sentences.

If you REALLY think Corner writers have committed capital offences, you need serious professional help.

In January, the espionage trials for two of their operatives will begin. If the charges prove valid, maybe the first two hangings will occur as a result of those trials. Unless the consequences of treason are demonstrated, such treason will continue and will expand into the total downfall of the US.

Sad, isn't it? A country with which we have had long historical ties, a country which has produced a large part of the American population, especially in parts of the Midwest, the neocons shun, and want everyday Americans to transfer their loyalty to a foreign land not even a century old and only tangentially tied to the U.S.

I think that deep down neocons detest Europe. You notice how many of them seem to be cheering its demise. They are just not reporting on it; they are actually celebrating it.

It is sad. The UK and Europe, the ancestral lands for most Americans, are under assault (mostly via third-world immigration), and the patriots that do remain there need at least our moral support, not the type of mockery one reads at NRO. If Europe falls, the West and Western Man are doomed.

This is a very good point.

It may seem obvious to others, but for some reason this remark of Mr.... -- er, Roach -- sparked a connection that hadn't really lit up all that brightly in my mind previously.

The neocon justification for "pre-emptive war" is WWII.

Or put another way it's the old, science-fictiony, if-you-could-go-back-in-time-and-kill-Hitler's-father-before-Adolf-was-conceived idea.

These neocons constantly slander everyone a coward, a Leftard, a racist, a Chamberlain or, best of 'em all, an antisemite. What's up with that? Are we debating on the playground? Is re-evaluating or even questioning strategic relations with other nations a thought crime these days? How insane.

That's no debate, it's slander, plain and simple. Why has political debate become so politicised, who sets these margins? For once, it's not the Left. They're pretty much cornered these days, both here in Europe as in the US.

Scheuer should be able to express his views and people should have a chance to make their own decisions on the issue of US foreign policy during the next election, without getting labeled racist or unpatriotic.

And as a fellow New Yorker, I know the little game they are playing. These middle-class boys now get invited to Long Island on summer weekends; they sit in rooms with Carl Ichan without having the talent, accomplishment or financial means of Mr. Icahn; they get to tell their school friends they met Bill Buckley and he made a joke; they laughed. There is a whole status climbing, class insecurity behind their work. Having neither the talent for money-making nor serious intellectual accomplishment, they sing the song they think their masters want to hear, further degrading National Review with each word they type. Mark Steyn, the peasant troubadour, defending his aristocratic benefactor Conrad Black...it's all so obvious.

The little edifice will come crashing down on them once Mr. Buckley passes away, which is an event I will mourn nevertheless. Then, free of its mystique and heritage, National Review will fade into a vulgarity the likes of MTV and Bravo TV. The invites will stop; Graydon Carter will not return calls; the Hearsts will snub them at the Met; the Century Club will call their tabs...and I will smile as I pass the velvet rope and ask the bouncer to please remove them from the Carlyle Room. Yes, it will be a party worth staying up for.