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		<title>By: Thomas Flinn</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/09/24/get-off-the-bandwagon/comment-page-1/#comment-54269</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Flinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 04:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Dr. Wilson that many people vote Republican because it appears to be &quot;respectable.&quot;  I also believe that many people continue to vote GOP because they truly believe that Republicans represent the best hope for conservative principles in the U.S.  Just one look at the Democratic party&#039;s candidates, platforms, supporters, etc. is enough to convince most people that the GOP is the only way to go.  Delusions, however, die hard, and it is a delusion that the GOP represents conservative principles.  It is also a delusion that the GOP ever really was a conservative party.  That there have been and still are conservative elements in the party is clear.  Many if not most of them are former southern Democrats who got fed up with the far left wackoism of the national Democratic party and decided to bolt.  In retrospect I think that was a mistake.  Perhaps it would have been better for those southern Dems to have remained true to their principles and simply boycotted elections (allowing the GOP to win election after election) until the national party got the message that the &quot;solid South&quot; would not simply support any candidate and any program simply because it was promulgated by a Democratic candidate.  Maybe they could have taken the party back and restored it to its former stalwart conservative basis even on a national level.  (For an interesting interlude, read the 1932 Democratic platform on which FDR ran).

For myself, I became interested in politics around 1967-1968 as a senior in high school.  At that time Lyndon Johnson was riding roughshod over the country and we had the likes of Ramsay Clark as attorney general (!!!), Dean Rusk as Secretary of State, and the Great Society was in full gear.  It appeared to me that the only alternative to this kind of runaway liberalism was the Republican party.  Certainly the conservative rhetoric was there.  Unfortunately, that has pretty much been all that was there.  Reluctantly, I have come to understand that, with some exceptions, I have been sold a bill of goods.  I would love to see the Democrats regain their heritage as a conservative, states-rights party.  Most of the truly great statesman in our history have been Democrats.  It is a pitiful shame that the party which produced Jefferson Davis, Frank Lausche, Walter George, John Stennis and the like, now offers Hilary Clinton, Barak Obama (sounds too much like Osama to suit me) and all the rest.   I have always wondered what the Democratic party would have been had Al Smith been elected president.  Perhaps there would have been no &quot;new deal&quot; and the drastic shift to a quasi (perhaps more than quasi) socialism and statism would have been averted.  Then the truly statist party (republican) would have been there for all to see and would not have been able to convince us they were the conservative party.   I have rambled enough, but suffice it to say that it is not easy for one who has supported the GOP most of his life to come to his senses.  Either a new conservative party will emerge or the Dems must stop smoking weed and return to their heritage.  Neither alternative will happen right away.  But happen it had better.

As an aside, Bilbo and Huey Long may not have been the most lovable Democrats (or even people), but they were what they were and didn&#039;t make any bones about it.  Watching the McCains, Guilianis and Romneys slobber all over the place trying to convince me of their devotion to conservative principles makes Bilbo and Long look positively inviting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Dr. Wilson that many people vote Republican because it appears to be "respectable."  I also believe that many people continue to vote GOP because they truly believe that Republicans represent the best hope for conservative principles in the U.S.  Just one look at the Democratic party's candidates, platforms, supporters, etc. is enough to convince most people that the GOP is the only way to go.  Delusions, however, die hard, and it is a delusion that the GOP represents conservative principles.  It is also a delusion that the GOP ever really was a conservative party.  That there have been and still are conservative elements in the party is clear.  Many if not most of them are former southern Democrats who got fed up with the far left wackoism of the national Democratic party and decided to bolt.  In retrospect I think that was a mistake.  Perhaps it would have been better for those southern Dems to have remained true to their principles and simply boycotted elections (allowing the GOP to win election after election) until the national party got the message that the "solid South" would not simply support any candidate and any program simply because it was promulgated by a Democratic candidate.  Maybe they could have taken the party back and restored it to its former stalwart conservative basis even on a national level.  (For an interesting interlude, read the 1932 Democratic platform on which FDR ran).</p>
<p>For myself, I became interested in politics around 1967-1968 as a senior in high school.  At that time Lyndon Johnson was riding roughshod over the country and we had the likes of Ramsay Clark as attorney general (!!!), Dean Rusk as Secretary of State, and the Great Society was in full gear.  It appeared to me that the only alternative to this kind of runaway liberalism was the Republican party.  Certainly the conservative rhetoric was there.  Unfortunately, that has pretty much been all that was there.  Reluctantly, I have come to understand that, with some exceptions, I have been sold a bill of goods.  I would love to see the Democrats regain their heritage as a conservative, states-rights party.  Most of the truly great statesman in our history have been Democrats.  It is a pitiful shame that the party which produced Jefferson Davis, Frank Lausche, Walter George, John Stennis and the like, now offers Hilary Clinton, Barak Obama (sounds too much like Osama to suit me) and all the rest.   I have always wondered what the Democratic party would have been had Al Smith been elected president.  Perhaps there would have been no "new deal" and the drastic shift to a quasi (perhaps more than quasi) socialism and statism would have been averted.  Then the truly statist party (republican) would have been there for all to see and would not have been able to convince us they were the conservative party.   I have rambled enough, but suffice it to say that it is not easy for one who has supported the GOP most of his life to come to his senses.  Either a new conservative party will emerge or the Dems must stop smoking weed and return to their heritage.  Neither alternative will happen right away.  But happen it had better.</p>
<p>As an aside, Bilbo and Huey Long may not have been the most lovable Democrats (or even people), but they were what they were and didn't make any bones about it.  Watching the McCains, Guilianis and Romneys slobber all over the place trying to convince me of their devotion to conservative principles makes Bilbo and Long look positively inviting.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/09/24/get-off-the-bandwagon/comment-page-1/#comment-49060</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Tom...&lt;/strong&gt;

\&quot;...Some internet answering services are currently free, but it is doubtful if this will continue forever as this service becomes more established...\&quot;...</description>
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<p>\"...Some internet answering services are currently free, but it is doubtful if this will continue forever as this service becomes more established...\"...</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/09/24/get-off-the-bandwagon/comment-page-1/#comment-35692</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Jack...&lt;/strong&gt;

I\&#039;m going to look into this and let you know what I find....</description>
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<p>I\'m going to look into this and let you know what I find....</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Higdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Higdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 23:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I announced my intention to vote for Michael Anthony Peroutka in 2004, Republican friends badgered me with the complaint that &quot;if too many people vote as you do, we&#039;ll lose the White House and maybe Congress, too!&quot;  My reply to one and all such: &quot;The problem is not that too many will vote as I do, but that not enough are likely to.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I announced my intention to vote for Michael Anthony Peroutka in 2004, Republican friends badgered me with the complaint that "if too many people vote as you do, we'll lose the White House and maybe Congress, too!"  My reply to one and all such: "The problem is not that too many will vote as I do, but that not enough are likely to."</p>
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		<title>By: Leon Haller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leon Haller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 00:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there are any persons on this site who actually read (and understand) my comments, I should like to hear their speculations as to why my criticisms are often mocked (despite their inevitably being better written than most, if not usually all, of the other respondents), but NEVER refuted. 

I make the same points over and over, all of which really reduce to two. First, that America is being invaded, colonized and conquered by biological aliens whose genomes played no role in the creation and success of America, and who cannot be expected to continue the traditions, culture and way of life that so-called conservatives purport to wish to conserve once they have been allowed to become an (ever increasing) demographic majority. ALL electoral analyses of the voting patterns of racial minorities of all types done over the past 30 years confirm the leftist-cum-(minority) ethnocentrist attitudes that these &quot;new&quot; Americans bring to our shores.

And second, that Christianity, at least in its American &quot;Christian Right&quot; form, is utterly cowardly and useless in confronting this problem. 

So again I pose the questions:

What issue is more important than stopping (and reversing) the harmful, white-majority unwanted, unnecessary, government imposed, non-white &quot;racial diversification&quot; of the US?

What is wrong with building an explicitly white racial-nationalist movement if that is the only, or even simply the most effective, way to stop the immigration invasion, with its attendant multiculturalization of what used to be our country? 

Let&#039;s see if I receive any cogent and relevant answers. How about you Prof. Wilson starting the ball rolling?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there are any persons on this site who actually read (and understand) my comments, I should like to hear their speculations as to why my criticisms are often mocked (despite their inevitably being better written than most, if not usually all, of the other respondents), but NEVER refuted. </p>
<p>I make the same points over and over, all of which really reduce to two. First, that America is being invaded, colonized and conquered by biological aliens whose genomes played no role in the creation and success of America, and who cannot be expected to continue the traditions, culture and way of life that so-called conservatives purport to wish to conserve once they have been allowed to become an (ever increasing) demographic majority. ALL electoral analyses of the voting patterns of racial minorities of all types done over the past 30 years confirm the leftist-cum-(minority) ethnocentrist attitudes that these "new" Americans bring to our shores.</p>
<p>And second, that Christianity, at least in its American "Christian Right" form, is utterly cowardly and useless in confronting this problem. </p>
<p>So again I pose the questions:</p>
<p>What issue is more important than stopping (and reversing) the harmful, white-majority unwanted, unnecessary, government imposed, non-white "racial diversification" of the US?</p>
<p>What is wrong with building an explicitly white racial-nationalist movement if that is the only, or even simply the most effective, way to stop the immigration invasion, with its attendant multiculturalization of what used to be our country? </p>
<p>Let's see if I receive any cogent and relevant answers. How about you Prof. Wilson starting the ball rolling?</p>
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		<title>By: James Newland</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Newland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 23:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aldebanetc., I just don&#039;t understand what you guys think you&#039;re proving with your &quot;don&#039;t vote&quot; advice. If it&#039;s a protest thing (&quot;I&#039;ll show them, by golly!&quot;), do you really think that those who are seeking to oppress you will be somehow shamed by the fact or disappointed that you refused to vote? On the contrary. They&#039;ll be delighted.

The real solution to all this hand-wringing isn&#039;t that difficult: stop trying to outsmart the devil and just do your conscience. You have a civic duty to vote, like it or not. (I cannot imagine Jesus adopting your position, btw.) The question then is, who to vote for? The answer to that is glaringly obvious: in a representative democracy like ours, you should vote for the candidate who best represents you; that is to say, the one who resembles you the most. If that person is a third-party candidate with little chance to win, so be it. By voting for him or her, you&#039;ve done your duty and the destruction of your country cannot be laid at your doorstep. Doing otherwise, it can. 

Only if there is no candidate who even approximates your own ideology (I&#039;m using that term loosely here, as a sort of catch-all) can I see any virtue in failing to vote--either that, or because you positively wish for the end of our form of government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aldebanetc., I just don't understand what you guys think you're proving with your "don't vote" advice. If it's a protest thing ("I'll show them, by golly!"), do you really think that those who are seeking to oppress you will be somehow shamed by the fact or disappointed that you refused to vote? On the contrary. They'll be delighted.</p>
<p>The real solution to all this hand-wringing isn't that difficult: stop trying to outsmart the devil and just do your conscience. You have a civic duty to vote, like it or not. (I cannot imagine Jesus adopting your position, btw.) The question then is, who to vote for? The answer to that is glaringly obvious: in a representative democracy like ours, you should vote for the candidate who best represents you; that is to say, the one who resembles you the most. If that person is a third-party candidate with little chance to win, so be it. By voting for him or her, you've done your duty and the destruction of your country cannot be laid at your doorstep. Doing otherwise, it can. </p>
<p>Only if there is no candidate who even approximates your own ideology (I'm using that term loosely here, as a sort of catch-all) can I see any virtue in failing to vote--either that, or because you positively wish for the end of our form of government.</p>
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		<title>By: mjs</title>
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		<dc:creator>mjs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 00:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel,

I was the only kid who voted for Nader in my 6th grade mock election (I liked his stance on trade, and I had never heard of Buchanan.) 

Bush ended up winning by one vote and the class Democrats blamed me for spoiling the election. 

Talk about foreshadowing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel,</p>
<p>I was the only kid who voted for Nader in my 6th grade mock election (I liked his stance on trade, and I had never heard of Buchanan.) </p>
<p>Bush ended up winning by one vote and the class Democrats blamed me for spoiling the election. </p>
<p>Talk about foreshadowing.</p>
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		<title>By: PcH</title>
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		<dc:creator>PcH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron Paul?  Who was Ron Paul?</description>
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		<title>By: justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 05:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the answer: http://www.ronpaul2008.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here's the answer: <a href="http://www.ronpaul2008.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ronpaul2008.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Aldebanlohoperaldi Huffghaffson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aldebanlohoperaldi Huffghaffson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 02:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I was the only kid to vote for Pat Buchanan in my middle school’s mock election in 2000, a fact I’m quite proud of.&quot; -Daniel

And well you should be.

But really snap out of it, and don&#039;t vote. It only &#039;encourages&#039; (in their charade) those who have vanquished you via your fathers, and sadly theirs. Ed Roberts (above) has the correct perspective. Now your &#039;voting&#039; in Their elections only encourages &#039;them.&#039;

There is only you and your group - have one?  ... And, them - they have a group. It is ONLY conflict. Do you understand? There&#039;s no blue ribbons... we&#039;re all NOT on the same side. There&#039;s NO such a thing in this context as Leon Haller is discovering above in his - as &#039;consensus.&#039; Now all that is - is chicken broth poured onto rocks...to no good outcome whatsoever... no chickens no crops... just really a lot of chicken s--t metaphorically speaking.

So go For what you want (under God) which among other things means knowing your limitations or you have one more, and don&#039;t let anyone or anything stand in the way unnecessarily. That&#039;s &#039;it&#039;. And find your Group. There are really no Actual individuals per se... just individuality and the ability to enjoy it thanks to the group. That&#039;s [i.e. group] happening anyway...but finding your own group focuses you.

And keep studying until you get your PhD and remain a student of everything (especially your chosen field of expertise) for life. You sound young, I guess I&#039;ve over-reacted in giving you advice. 

It&#039;s fun to be a reactionary... there&#039;s always inevitably the reactionary imperative. HAHAHAHA ... funny universe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"I was the only kid to vote for Pat Buchanan in my middle school’s mock election in 2000, a fact I’m quite proud of." -Daniel</p>
<p>And well you should be.</p>
<p>But really snap out of it, and don't vote. It only 'encourages' (in their charade) those who have vanquished you via your fathers, and sadly theirs. Ed Roberts (above) has the correct perspective. Now your 'voting' in Their elections only encourages 'them.'</p>
<p>There is only you and your group - have one?  ... And, them - they have a group. It is ONLY conflict. Do you understand? There's no blue ribbons... we're all NOT on the same side. There's NO such a thing in this context as Leon Haller is discovering above in his - as 'consensus.' Now all that is - is chicken broth poured onto rocks...to no good outcome whatsoever... no chickens no crops... just really a lot of chicken s--t metaphorically speaking.</p>
<p>So go For what you want (under God) which among other things means knowing your limitations or you have one more, and don't let anyone or anything stand in the way unnecessarily. That's 'it'. And find your Group. There are really no Actual individuals per se... just individuality and the ability to enjoy it thanks to the group. That's [i.e. group] happening anyway...but finding your own group focuses you.</p>
<p>And keep studying until you get your PhD and remain a student of everything (especially your chosen field of expertise) for life. You sound young, I guess I've over-reacted in giving you advice. </p>
<p>It's fun to be a reactionary... there's always inevitably the reactionary imperative. HAHAHAHA ... funny universe.</p>
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