Comments on: Retreat of the Antiwar Democrats http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/09/12/retreat-of-the-antiwar-democrats/ Your home for traditional conservatism. Sat, 11 Feb 2012 19:05:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Ed Roberts http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/09/12/retreat-of-the-antiwar-democrats/comment-page-1/#comment-18912 Ed Roberts Sat, 15 Sep 2007 00:59:35 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=322#comment-18912 "Mr. Buchanan’s track record on the war in Iraq is well documented. He opposed the war from the beginning and has been perhaps the most consistent and lucid opponent of the war amongst conservatives." Mr. Buchanan also wrote an article in 2003, right after the invasion of Iraq, which was featured on LRC in which he informed us all that once a war is started we must not criticize the president. Mr. Buchanan is a republican, first, last and always. If he runs for Senate here, I'll stay home just as I've done every time Warner is on the ballot. "Mr. Buchanan’s track record on the war in Iraq is well documented. He opposed the war from the beginning and has been perhaps the most consistent and lucid opponent of the war amongst conservatives."

Mr. Buchanan also wrote an article in 2003, right after the invasion of Iraq, which was featured on LRC in which he informed us all that once a war is started we must not criticize the president.

Mr. Buchanan is a republican, first, last and always. If he runs for Senate here, I'll stay home just as I've done every time Warner is on the ballot.

]]> By: Johan Dieckmann http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/09/12/retreat-of-the-antiwar-democrats/comment-page-1/#comment-18642 Johan Dieckmann Fri, 14 Sep 2007 00:32:08 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=322#comment-18642 "... a U.S. withdrawal risks a strategic disaster, national humiliation, massacre of our friends and triumph for al-Qaida. ..." While there is an old say, "Scolding her daughter - telling off her daughter in law", referring to a rather crude "indirection" to get across a point, Pat is hardly indirect in this article in expressing his above otherwise well-known "position" of the late, introducing it by "... Bush is winning today because ..." and concluding by "... Democrats, fearing he may be right ..." Yeah, Buchanan was merely "an impartial reporter" in writing this idiotic little article... In fact, in very many discussions on MSNBC and on McLauglin Group show in the last few months he expressed _precisely_ the above assertion as his own firm opinion, repeatedly. As for a reasonable guess why he now behaves this way, see comment #2 above. "... a U.S. withdrawal risks a strategic disaster, national humiliation, massacre of our friends and triumph for al-Qaida. ..."

While there is an old say, "Scolding her daughter - telling off her daughter in law", referring to a rather crude "indirection" to get across a point, Pat is hardly indirect in this article in expressing his above otherwise well-known "position" of the late, introducing it by "... Bush is winning today because ..." and concluding by "... Democrats, fearing he may be right ..."

Yeah, Buchanan was merely "an impartial reporter" in writing this idiotic little article...

In fact, in very many discussions on MSNBC and on McLauglin Group show in the last few months he expressed _precisely_ the above assertion as his own firm opinion, repeatedly.

As for a reasonable guess why he now behaves this way, see comment #2 above.

]]> By: Cassandra http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/09/12/retreat-of-the-antiwar-democrats/comment-page-1/#comment-18579 Cassandra Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:13:10 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=322#comment-18579 The sad truth: The Republicans haven't a new idea since Lincoln. Pat shows the that Democrats haven't one since FDR, be it domestic ideas or foreign. The 60's New Left peace movement and McGovern had no effect. Both parties are war parties. And both parties are brain dead. The more things change ... The sad truth:

The Republicans haven't a new idea since Lincoln. Pat shows the that Democrats haven't one since FDR, be it domestic ideas or foreign. The 60's New Left peace movement and McGovern had no effect. Both parties are war parties. And both parties are brain dead. The more things change ...

]]> By: Cassandra http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/09/12/retreat-of-the-antiwar-democrats/comment-page-1/#comment-18511 Cassandra Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:26:59 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=322#comment-18511 The party of Woodrow Wilson is the source of the Neocon folly, so don't expect it to become the peace party. The Sixty-Eighters, the Flower Children, and other sorts who sat in the Filmore East and exclaimed "groovy, man" and "far out!" forgot Clean Gene long ago. The party of Woodrow Wilson is the source of the Neocon folly, so don't expect it to become the peace party. The Sixty-Eighters, the Flower Children, and other sorts who sat in the Filmore East and exclaimed "groovy, man" and "far out!" forgot Clean Gene long ago.

]]> By: Simon Newman http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/09/12/retreat-of-the-antiwar-democrats/comment-page-1/#comment-18434 Simon Newman Thu, 13 Sep 2007 08:38:01 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=322#comment-18434 Al Qaeda will presumably claim the US retreat from Iraq as a victory, whether it happens in 2008 or 2018, but the real winners will be the majority Shiite population of Iraq, and Shiite Iran. Re "massacre of our friends" - unlike Vietnam I don't think the USA *has* any friends in Iraq. Al Qaeda will presumably claim the US retreat from Iraq as a victory, whether it happens in 2008 or 2018, but the real winners will be the majority Shiite population of Iraq, and Shiite Iran.

Re "massacre of our friends" - unlike Vietnam I don't think the USA *has* any friends in Iraq.

]]> By: Melchior Cano http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/09/12/retreat-of-the-antiwar-democrats/comment-page-1/#comment-18324 Melchior Cano Thu, 13 Sep 2007 00:47:12 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=322#comment-18324 Mr. Buchanan's track record on the war in Iraq is well documented. He opposed the war from the beginning and has been perhaps the most consistent and lucid opponent of the war amongst conservatives. It seems to me that his article is a documentation of fact, not opinion. You will find, Mr. Dieckmann, that if you re-read the article, Mr. Buchanan does not state that “… a U.S. withdrawal risks a strategic disaster, national humiliation, massacre of our friends and triumph for al-Qaida …”, but rather that this is the stick with which President Bush beats his Democratic opponents into submission. Either you need a lesson in reading comprehension or intellectual honesty. Mr. Buchanan's track record on the war in Iraq is well documented. He opposed the war from the beginning and has been perhaps the most consistent and lucid opponent of the war amongst conservatives. It seems to me that his article is a documentation of fact, not opinion. You will find, Mr. Dieckmann, that if you re-read the article, Mr. Buchanan does not state that “… a U.S. withdrawal risks a strategic disaster, national humiliation, massacre of our friends and triumph for al-Qaida …”, but rather that this is the stick with which President Bush beats his Democratic opponents into submission. Either you need a lesson in reading comprehension or intellectual honesty.

]]> By: Johan Dieckmann http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/09/12/retreat-of-the-antiwar-democrats/comment-page-1/#comment-18264 Johan Dieckmann Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:18:39 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=322#comment-18264 (Re. comment #2) "... These kind of Pat pieces make me wonder if Pat is not trying to reconcile with his Republican past. ..." I have exactly the same impresson. (Re. comment #2)

"... These kind of Pat pieces make me wonder if Pat is not trying to reconcile with his Republican past. ..."

I have exactly the same impresson.

]]> By: robert reavis http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/09/12/retreat-of-the-antiwar-democrats/comment-page-1/#comment-18263 robert reavis Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:05:58 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=322#comment-18263 These kind of Pat pieces make me wonder if Pat is not trying to reconcile with his Republican past. I hope not, but Buchanan knows why the Dems are backing down and it isn't because of the potential carnage "if we stand down, before Iraqis stands up." I like Pat and have defended him for years. If he wants to run for Senator of his home state, fine. But he doesn't need the "right" wing of the duoploy to do it; or the left wing of that same "bird of prey" . He needs to do what Ronald Reagan's former Secretary of Navy, James Webb, did. Run and win, with as little or as much "help" from "the party" as necessary. These kind of Pat pieces make me wonder if Pat is not trying to reconcile with his Republican past. I hope not, but Buchanan knows why the Dems are backing down and it isn't because of the potential carnage "if we stand down, before Iraqis stands up."
I like Pat and have defended him for years. If he wants to run for Senator of his home state, fine. But he doesn't need the "right" wing of the duoploy to do it; or the left wing of that same "bird of prey" . He needs to do what Ronald Reagan's former Secretary of Navy, James Webb, did. Run and win, with as little or as much "help" from "the party" as necessary.

]]> By: Johan Dieckmann http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/09/12/retreat-of-the-antiwar-democrats/comment-page-1/#comment-18247 Johan Dieckmann Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:02:51 +0000 http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=322#comment-18247 "... a U.S. withdrawal risks a strategic disaster, national humiliation, massacre of our friends and triumph for al-Qaida ..." What a garbage... You shoud know better Pat... Finding yourself watch a bad movie, you know you made one mistake ($), but if you don't leave right away, you are making two... .... From "Sheikh Osama and the iPod general" by Pepe Escobar, http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/II12Ak05.html : "... The whole question around the face-off of the year is not how Petraeus will "save" the US$3-billion-a-week Bush war on Iraq. The question is why bin Laden felt so relaxed as to stage a comeback as statesman/strategist to proclaim, among other things, the utter failure of the Bush-conducted imperial project. The answer is because Bush and the neo-cons have been playing al-Qaeda's game all along. Had Petraeus been sent six years ago on a thorough counterinsurgency mission to smash al-Qaeda, Congress today would be grappling with really relevant issues, such as health, education, the erosion of American workers' salaries and yes, global warming. Forget Petraeus: someone in Hollywood better call Bruce Willis to fight and kill the sheikh in Die Hard 5. ..." "... a U.S. withdrawal risks a strategic disaster, national humiliation, massacre of our friends and triumph for al-Qaida ..."

What a garbage... You shoud know better Pat... Finding yourself watch a bad movie, you know you made one mistake ($), but if you don't leave right away, you are making two...

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From "Sheikh Osama and the iPod general" by Pepe Escobar,
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/II12Ak05.html
:

"...
The whole question around the face-off of the year is not how Petraeus will "save" the US$3-billion-a-week Bush war on Iraq. The question is why bin Laden felt so relaxed as to stage a comeback as statesman/strategist to proclaim, among other things, the utter failure of the Bush-conducted imperial project.

The answer is because Bush and the neo-cons have been playing al-Qaeda's game all along. Had Petraeus been sent six years ago on a thorough counterinsurgency mission to smash al-Qaeda, Congress today would be grappling with really relevant issues, such as health, education, the erosion of American workers' salaries and yes, global warming. Forget Petraeus: someone in Hollywood better call Bruce Willis to fight and kill the sheikh in Die Hard 5.
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