Half a Billion “Americans”?
The latest report from the Center for Immigration Studies on how immigration may impact the future size of America’s population has been released. Their findings are based on the Census Bureau projections, and show that if immigration continues at current levels, the U.S. population will increase from 301 million today to 468 million in 2060—a 167 million (or 56 percent) increase. New immigrants and their descendants will account for 105 million (or 63 percent) of that increase.
The report says that, at the moment, approximately 1.6 million legal and illegal immigrants settle in the United States each year and 350,000 leave, resulting in net immigration of 1.25 million. The total projected growth of 167 million would exceed the current total population of Central America (41 million), the Caribbean (37 million) and Egypt (79 million). The 105 million from immigration by itself is equal to the present population of Mexico.
Even those staggering figures are based on the assumption that immigration levels will remain static. Net immigration has been increasing for the past half-century, however, and there are no signs that the trend is changing. If it continues, the increase caused by immigration may well be higher than the projected 105 million—taking us easily to an America of half a billion people five decades from now.
On the other hand, if the annual level of net immigration was reduced to 300,000—which can be done if the political will is present—future immigration would add 25 million people to the population by 2060. That would be some 80 million fewer than the current level would add.
One of the most interesting findings of the report is that immigration does not have an impact on the overall aging of this country’s population—which is a key argument used by the proponents of open-door policy. In reality,
At the current level of net immigration (1.25 million a year), 61 percent of the nation’s population will be of working age (15 to 66) in 2060, compared to 60 percent if net immigration were reduced to 300,000 a year. If net immigration was doubled to 2.5 million a year it would raise the working-age share of the population by one additional percentage point, to 62 percent, by 2060. But that level of immigration would create a U.S. population of 573 million, double its size in the 2000 Census.
The report does not tackle the national security aspect of the problem. The number of Muslim immigrants in the united States is growing more than twice as fast as the already rampant total. Growth of overall immigration since 1970 has been 300 percent, but growth of immigration from the Middle East over the same period has been 700 percent—from under 200,000 in 1970 to 1.5 million in 2000. In 2005, more people from Muslim countries became legal permanent U.S. residents—almost 100,000—than in any year in the previous two decades. More than 40,000 of them were admitted legally in 2005, the highest annual number since the terrorist attacks, according to data on 22 countries provided by the Department of Homeland Security.
On current form, in 2010 the expected number of immigrants from the Middle East alone will exceed 2,500,000. Lavishly financed by Saudi and other Middle Eastern oil money, an intricate jihadist infrastructure has come into being to cater to this large and growing community. The number of mosques and Islamic centers stands at around two thousand and keeps growing. The total number of mosques increased 42 percent between 1990 and 2000, compared with a 12 percent average increase for the evangelical Protestant denominations, and a two percent average increase among old-line Protestant, Roman Catholic and Orthodox groups.
The figures for immigration from the Middle East are already matched, and are likely to be exceeded, by the number of Muslim immigrants from the Indian Sub-Continent (Pakistan, India, Bangladesh). Currently Muslims account for one-tenth of all naturalizations, and their birth rates exceed those of any other significant immigrant group.
Far from enhancing America’s “diversity,” the coming deluge threatens to impose a numbing Thirld-World sameness, to eradicate the remnants of this country’s identity, and to demolish what survives of her special character. On current form, not only will English-speaking Americans of European origin become a minority in their own country half a century from now, but they will share an increasingly overpopulated, polluted, lumpenproleterized, culturally unrecognizable country with tens of millions of actual or potential jihadists and their accomplices, aiders and abettors.
Whether this colossally criminal idiocy can be stopped, and how, is open to doubt. The cultural-Marxist ruling class sees self-annihilation of peoples with a historical memory and a cultural identity as the key to its revolutionary project. The founders of the United States rebelled against King George for sins far lighter than those of which our rulers are culpable.
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"assimilated" American born asians work to promote the interests of their racial group. They oppose to shutting down Asian legal immigration. Post-1965 asian LEGAL IMMIGRATION full speed. A majority 'assimilated" American born asians are part of the asian fifth column. Euro-Americans are justified in bringing back the Chinese Exclusion Act.
Don't be so weak-kneed about it Nicholas Moses.
LEGAL asian IMMIGRANTS are legally allowed to participate in and bring about in the complete economic and racial dispossession of the Euro-American majority.
BW: Agreed on keeping them both out.
They are not interchangeable (more for cultural reasons, I would argue) and I don't think anyone on the board wants to bring them over here.
"assimilated" American born asians work to promote the interests of their racial group. They oppose to shutting down Asian legal immigration. Post-1965 asian LEGAL IMMIGRATION full speed. A majority 'assimilated" American born asians are part of the asian fifth column. Euro-Americans are justified in bringing back the Chinese Exclusion Act.
Don't be so weak-kneed about it Nicholas Moses.
@ BW 157: How many asians do you actually know, by the way?
Nigeria is renowned the world over for its ability to produce conmen. This is mostly cultural and not genetic of course. I post that just as a warning.
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Which to prefer black Christians or white atheists?
I'll say this: Christianity is the native (after 2 millennia) religion of the whites, and an atheist should in theory be easy to convert. Also, religion will wax and wane within a populace; blood and soil nationalism is a stronger tie for mere humans. During a time of weak religious ties, the nationalism should hold the populace together and discourage national suicide.
If you want a theocracy, it exists in a monastery and in the Vatican. But is it realistic to propose such a thing for the rest of the "West?"
Yes there are very nice asians. I'm sure your wife is a very nice person. However. leaders from asian America have already begun to issue threats of retaliation -in the event that asian immigration is shut down- the mainstream media towards Euro-America.
Asians and other non-White racial groups are politically organized around their racial interests. Either Euro-Americns do the same or they will be reduced to a racial minority in America.
Nicholas Moses fears that when White Americans do finally get around to organizing around their legitimate racial interests there will be irreconcilable differences between US and THEM. And he's right.
Very serious racial conflict between US and THEM is unavoidable.
Southern Asians somehow do seem to integrate well in my experience. This might be simply because they don't often exist in numbers high enough to form their own enclaves.
In college I met some Chinese though who were fiercely nationalistic.
Wheeler, you bone-headed illiterate, let me repeat this again:
EVERYONE HERE WANTS NO OR SIGNIFICANTLY LESS IMMIGRATION
So unless you are advocating killing off the Asians who are already here, I fail to see the point of the Exclusion Act speel.
Wheeler @ 162, I hadn't read that before I went on to 164.
Many racial "leaders" have popped up but they never represent their communities as much as they claim.
We don't need to organize race--we just need to shut down immigration.
This conflict is not inevitable
I am a paleoconservative, not a white nationalist, and I would definitely prefer a white atheist to a black Christian. Any black man, Indian, Asian would show more loyalty to his own tribe, whatever religion, than to white Christians. This is basic human nature.
St. Augustine said that "since cannot help everyone, one has to be concerned with those who by reason of place, time, or circumstances, are by some chance more tightly bound to you." Paul said (1 Tim. 5:8) that "if anyone does not take care of his own, and especially of his own household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever."
And what is the classical notion of race but an extension of one's family? It's kith and kin, ancestral ties, genophilia.
Furthermore, as a Christian, I have obligations too to non-Christians. I'd be more obliged to convert a white atheist (a kinsman) than to consort with foreign tribesmen, whatever their religion.
The very concept of 'nation' as the Latin 'nascere' implies suggests link by blood. And in no way does a classical understanding of Christianity negate this historical understanding nor its kin obligations.
Willioughby I'm not advocating a race war. I just think the situation has deteriorated beyond repair. Believing that it has a high probability of happening is different from advocating it.
To have even a snow balls chance in hell of avoiding violent racial conflict, legal immigration would have to be completly shut down.
And even shutting down all immigration, the non-white population growth will still have enormous momentum. There aren't enough money and resources to make a majority of people within the borders of the US happy. I'm a realist. Gasoline has already been poured into the basement.
I think you are projecting your own views onto human nature. What ever happened to the good Samaritan?
You see, I *do* take care of my household, and race is an extension of the family--but it a silly one. You know your family and are directly connected. You don't know your race. You have specific duties as a son, husband and father, but what for race? Can anyone find me, in the Bible, where that is commanded?
Of course you have obligations to non-Christians--but you use a false choice. You say "convert a white atheist" and "consort with foreign tribesmen". That sounds a lot like framing the issue. Would you consort with an atheist and convert a foreign tribesman?
The root-word behind nation does not necessarily define it.
Wheeler: Then let's completely shut it down. That will be a start, at least.
But I doubt that the situation is that dire. If we simply hold our ground--as Americans--against the NAACP, CAIR and other hostile groups, we will be fine. I still don't see the absolute necessity to bind ourselves together based on our racial identity.
Jeff Willoughby,
So, in other words, you support a propositional nation?
I think that Latin root of 'nation' is essential, as it has been for over 2,000 years in defining what a 'nation' is. It is only muddle-headed worshipers of Reason who think that people can live in such a utopia of ideas (and politically correct ones at that).
You may think that racial identity unimportant, but it is in the world in which we live. Go to any public school cafeteria in Los Angeles and you will see all the whites sitting together, all the Asians sitting together, all the blacks sitting together, and all the Mexicans sitting together.
Even if race is a social construct, we live in a world delineated by language and, as Wittenstein would say, we play a language game where 99% of the players recognize race as a legitimate category.
But I do think it's more than this. I think it is indeed an extension of family, and anyone who has spent considerable time at genealogy, tracing his family back centuries, realizes this fact. In this ancient sense, race is nothing more than extended family, the ancestral, kith and kin, genophilia.
I'm not sure what you mean by "propositional nation" but people of different racial makeups can live here under one culture, so far as I am concerned. And seeing how this country has *always* been as such, I don't think I am going out on a limb. Unless those Germans and Irishmen are not of that same nation as Anglo-Saxons, that is.
I went to a public school in northern California, and the majority of the students grouped themselves together by other factors. There were nerds, jocks etc., with the groups based on intelligence and shared culture. And mind you about 30% of my graduating class was East or Southern Asian.
Language is certainly important, but I don't think we are slaves to it. The meaning of word can change over time.
Race is extended family, but the farther you get from the nuclear center of the family, the weaker the real ties. I am bonded to my mother and brother and sister and father, but I am not bonded to any random person in Berlin or Ontario or London or Dublin, despite our shared genitic heritage
Europe is much whiter than the U.S. The CIA World Factbook puts the UK at 92% white, Switzerland at 98% white, and almost all European countries are over 90% white.
The only European country that isn't 90+% white is probably France. However, it's worth noting that in Britain, 25% of births are to foreigners, mostly South Asians.
And to further confuse things, many U.S. government agencies count hispanics as “white” when 99% of them are not. With the exception of a small upper class of pure European blood, 30% of Mexicans are pure Amerindian, and 60% are Mestizo (mostly Amerindian with a few Spaniard drops of blood).
Well, all the genetic testing that I've seen done on Mexicans and Mexican Americans show a fairly high European component, in the order of 40-45%. I know a few Mexicans who have kids with whites, and their kids are pretty white looking.
I'm still getting out of here, though.
Rules must be set that everyone who lives in the US/Canada has to obey by. All “affirmative action”- and "minority right"- type of laws must be discontinued if we want to preserve our countries, i.e. America (and Canada) based on Judaeo-Christian upbringing and traditions.
Rules must be set that everyone who lives in the US/Canada has to obey by. All “affirmative action”- and "minority right"- type of laws must be discontinued if we want to preserve our countries, i.e. America (and Canada) based on Judeo-Christian upbringing and traditions.
White nationalists do place a premium on race rather than culture and religion. We've never tried to hide our true colors or been coy about where we stand on the issues unlike the milquetoast conservatives among us.
If religion and culture are the determining factors in an individual and nation's success, then how can you explain the political and economic failure of Catholic countries like Guatemala and Mexico? Mexico city has lots of Christians but also boasts one of the highest violent crime rates in the world. Christian dogma hasn't elevated them to first world status. Honduras has copied our Constitution almost verbatim, yet cannot duplicate the success of the United States. Is the answer to those problems more bibles or more white people?
Even if immigration was completely halted tomorrow, whites will still become a minority in the U.S. in 2-3 decades. We were once 90% of the population in 1965, but are barely holding at 65% today. Simply stemming the immigrant tide won't be enough and yes there will have to be resettlement and repatriation of large numbers of non-whites who arrived post 1965. The majority are in this nation for economic gain and not political idealism.
Many non-whites hail from nations who would never tolerate a growing and permanent presence of white Europeans. Might makes right in their countries and raceless, deracinated whites will be in for a big surprise when they become a minority and are at their mercy.
Easily. For one I think we must take into account language and it's effect on culture. I would say English cultures are better. And then there's the fact that Latin American Catholicism has been falling for years. Strong anti-clerical governments and movements have largely destroyed authentic and devout Catholicism. Also there's the fact that most of these countries have been handicapped by Marxist revolutions, which have brought down white nations to their knees (See West vs East Germany before unification).
If, after immigration is halted, white people cannot reproduce enough to avoid becoming a minority, that means that our society is too sick to survive anyway and we are doomed.
"simply stemming the immigrant tide won’t be enough and yes there will have to be resettlement and repatriation of large numbers of non-whites who arrived post 1965"
If you try to "resettle" my family (that is mixed race), you will meet your Maker soon thereafter.
"Don’t be so weak-kneed about it Nicholas Moses."
"Weak-kneed"? I invite you to come to Miami and have a drink or two with me and then see how weak-kneed I am. Not that I really care, but just for your information:
1. I think the 1924 Immigration Quota Act was on the right track, regardless of the immoral eugenic motivation of some of its supporters;
2. Yes, some Asians have not moved on from Asia. Perhaps some of them are fiercely nationalistic. I have seen hints of this. And if they want to show their true colors and work against the U.S. if we cut off more Asian immigration, I say punish those who do so. Their actions will speak for themselves.
3. Not all of them are such. Witness the fact that an Asian woman married the white Jeff Willoughby. Those who want to fight for American and Western Civilization are our friends. They know why they came here and prefer this place.
4. Just because someone is my friend doesn't mean I have to want to marry her. And just because I have that hang-up doesn't mean my brother has to.
"Easily. For one I think we must take into account language and it’s effect on culture. I would say English cultures are better. And then there’s the fact that Latin American Catholicism has been falling for years."
IF Latin America was ever solidly Catholic in the first place. Latin America is not wholly a part of Western Civilization except at its upper levels; it is not so much skin color but the fact that the indigenous and mixed populations do not have a thousand years of Christendom behind them, nor was their Christianization particularly thorough in all instances.
"Yes, some Asians have not moved on from Asia. Perhaps some of them are fiercely nationalistic. I have seen hints of this. And if they want to show their true colors and work against the U.S. if we cut off more Asian immigration, I say punish those who do so. Their actions will speak for themselves."
One more thing: while we're at it, I say punish the white--and otherwise--professors who have pushed postmodernism and anti-white, anti-Christian propaganda in the academy. Let them keep their tenure if they have it, but read them out publicly, destroy their credibility, and never let them hold any position of power again.
"We the Indigenous are being displaced and marginalized" from post 135 epitomizes much of what has been gobbledygooked here ad nauseam.
The problem, of course, is how do you define "the Indigenous"?
American Indians? Even they had come from elsewhere. Moreover, that there seem to be no clear historical record (?) of inhabitants of North America prior to American Indian ancestors' crossing of Bering straits certainly does not mean there were not any.
Then, I suppose, you are (arbitrarily) restricting the definition to ... "Europeans"? Do you mean Nordic Europeans (Vikings)? ... Oh, no, "heathens", ... , restrict more ... "Christian Europeans"? Consider then the French, or Italians (not least because of Cristoforo Colombo), or Spaniards (on account of the same person), or the Portuguese, etc... That the Anglo mongrels later prevailed (and only temporarily, as we are clearly seeing now
) is thus unrelated to "the Indigenous" claim, even with this "definition"...
You get on the bus that is not empty - and then "solemnly" declare, "From now on, no more passengers admitted"
Well, tough.
Ok, in other words the failure of certain non-white nations is just a coincidence and attributable to language. Communist East Germany was more prosperous than "capitalistic" and Christian Latin American countries, so we're back to race again. Quit sidestepping the issue and come clean.
You have have a fundamental misunderstanding of the immigration problem. The 1965 immigration reform act was enacted by a renegade Congress. Angry Americans were assured this bill wouldn't alter the racial and ethnic composition of the nation, but they were lied to. The bill has done just that and it has continued to be expanded by demagogic and traitorous politicians thus accelerating the growth of non-whites. There is now de facto ethnic cleansing of whites in several regions of the U.S. most notably in Southern California and the Southwest. Some of the more radical black and latino groups are preaching the outright genocide of white people. Whites are well within their rights to reverse this trend by any means necessary although I'm in favor of using peaceful means. The status quo is unacceptable as it means a creeping genocide for whites.
Your attitude is "hey, their here now, so let's make the best of it. Heck, I even married one". I don't share your attitude and never will. It isn't my problem that you chose to marry someone of another race. Further you're a hypocrite by criticizing those posters who you feel are advocating a race war then issue a subtle threat against me for my opinons. I never said all non-whites must go, but most will have to. They are here against the will of the white majority and they aren't assimilating and becoming flag waving Americans contrary to your fantasies. The details are another story but for you to assume this implies violence is proof of your irrationality and presumptuousness.
I never issued a direct threat against you or your family for who you are or what you believe . Don't you ever hurl a subtle threat against me again. You are a coward and if you lived in my town or anywhere near me you would be forced to back up your internet machismo.
For one I am not sidestepping, I am just not agreeing, and crony capitalism is as debilitating as open Marxism.
When and if any group wishes to commit genocide against us, I will fight them. We should expel la Raza and incarcerate the Black Panthers if they are acting criminally. End "hate crimes" and be tougher on all violent crime and we won't have the problem.
But you are engaging in paranoia. Being out bred and genocide are not the same thing. If you want more white people, make them. Stop aborting away the next generation, and start a family yourself.
If anyone made an initial threat, it was you. But if this is a misunderstanding on my part, I do apologize.
I think you are misunderstanding my position: I am not saying "all minorities are assimilating we must keep them", I am saying "let us tolerate the minorities who are already assimilated,". There is a difference.
I don't want to fight anyone whom I don't have to, and I don't want to play jock and pick fights online, but I do not think I am a coward.
Also, what about Hong Kong, Japan, and Singapore? Non-white, but still pretty successful. Compare to Russia--very white, but going down the tubes.
We agree on some points and disagree on others. Whites should not have to engage in a birthrate competition with non-whites on their own nations. The bottom line is that whites deserve their own schools, workplaces, communities and nations. We are being denied these things which are needed for any people's survival. This isn't happening by accident but the reasons and forces behind it are beyond the scope of our debate.
I may have overreacted on my last post, but didn't appreciate the threat when I didn't intend any malice towards you or anyone else. Please forget the coward label as I don't even know you and was momentarily angry.
Again, there are some things we won't see eye to eye on, but I guess that's life after all.
I see the birth-rate issue differently than you do. It's not a racial competition, but a competition with nature, if you will. Humans are designed for families and families are designed to reproduce. If we fail at this, it means that we have failed as people, and we will die out anyway, even without non-whites.
"The bottom line is that whites deserve their own schools, workplaces, communities and nations"
I essentially agree on this point too. I am in a sense a 'libertarian' in so much as I want people to be able to live their own lives largely without interference. If you want an all-white school, an all-white company, an all-white park or even an all-white town, I won't try to stop you. And if I want to live an inclusive community, you can surely allow me the same luxury, no? If we agree on ending foreign immigration, and if white people return to healthy birth-rates, I think such an arrangement is possible
In the end, I just hope these thing can be decided peacefully and constitutionally.
"I think you are misunderstanding my position: I am not saying “all minorities are assimilating we must keep them”, I am saying “let us tolerate the minorities who are already assimilated,”. There is a difference."
Depends on what they are assimilating into. As I hinted before, I find Anglo-suburban culture insufferably insipid. And living in Miami, I can tell you it's not pretty to watch Hispanics assimilate into that culture. Telemundo and Univision, from what I've heard (I don't understand Spanish), are even more insuting to the intelligence than Fox and CNN.
Hong Kong, Japan and Singapore are all exceptions. However, Hong Kong and Singapore are greatly aided by Western capital and technical expertise while Japan benefitted from our lack of import duties which allowed Japanese products to undersell U.S. products and gain a foothold in many consumer markets. Such wasn't the case prior to WWII.
Major American Corporations have set up shop in Singapore and if they all pulled out Singapore's economy would collapse. To your point, yes, those nations are successful and have motivated and intelligent citizens, but their success isn't entirely of their own doing.
Russia is struggling economically speaking and will never be a consumer paradise, but you cannot deny their technical supremacy in high technology like Aerospace and Space. They build high quality fighter jets and ICBM's. Russia has a Space Shuttle and Space Station. The last time I checked Hong Kong, Japan and Singapore do not.
Moses, good point. I should clarify, that every American should be working to improve his culture and that minorities should not be assimilated into dull secularized stupor or ghetto culture.
Dithers, you have a point that those nations have outside help, but on the other hand, so do we. We use plenty of South and East Asian engineers and scientists. Not to see we need them, but it may also mean that they might not need us.
True for the Russian space program, but I would say "they wanted it more". The US and the former USSR have the most advanced space tech, because they spent so much on it. So far as I know the East Asians haven't spent much at all.
The thing is, race may well be a factor in human society. I won't deny well documented IQ differences and other possible racial seperations, but there are so many other factors. Religion, politics, economic policy all have a huge impact on the success of people and nations.
I would ask if you argue from a racialist stand-point that you keep these in mind as well.
@Mr. Jeff Willoughbly
On your comment #187
I think you're right. The government should let groups form their own schools, clubs and businesses and they could choose whom (not) to admit---government should butt out, why interfere anyway? Leave it to the people to decide.
You're also right about conservatism not being ethnocentric. If we want to survive, we should be familycentric. Whites who are more familycentric will survive this century, those who don't will not. Ethnocentrism will only lead to tribalism, group competition and eventually group conflict.
White nationalists should not be condemned too strongly, because I can understand their resentment towards a government which seeks to displace them. US Whites are waking up and they start to get fed up with all these media outlets, government officials, special interest groups and 'thinktanks' which relate all problems of minorities to socio-economic factors.
Isn't it possible that most minorities fail in life despite whites? They fail in Africa, Mexico and the Middle East---no whites there. Oh right colonialism, right... I'm just calling it, as I see it.
Would America be the most succesfull nation in the world without the Europeans, or without Western culture? I don't think so. Blacks, Hispanics and all the others may dislike whites generally, but they know they need them more then whites need them. Yet, they do not
PS
You're voting Ron Paul, I presume? From Europe I watch his speeches and War Party opposition daily. Very exciting campaign. Very hopefull message.
Mr. Dithers,
You make some excellent points. You should go to JRC in DC at the end of Sept.
Whites need to stand together or we are doomed.
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Jimmy,
I would argue that there is an enthnocentric component to conservatism. Conservatism, from the Latin 'conservare', means to preserve, and one of the things an authentic conservative should preserve is his ancestral traditions.
Sure there are other things: religion, values, regionalism, tradition. But if you think of race as an extension of family - as grounded in kith and kin, in the ancestral, in genophilia (instinctive attachment to family and tribe) - then it too is sine qua non for the survival of a people.
Cicero's very concept of natural law (lex naturae), although corresponding to the mind of God, ultimately manifests itself in the ancestral traditions (mos maiorum) of Italians.
We too have our various hybrids of Anglo and European traditions, rooted in our ancestral customs, which should not be forsaken.
Many today have forgotten the importance of "the ancestral." Many (e.g. the neocons) have all but declared war upon it.
Mr Willoughby
Don't waste your time on the race and IQ stuff. Totally unnecessary to make the case for immigratin reform. The Bell Curve true believers are just that: true beleivers. In undergraduate courses on the philosophy of biology in both the US and Canada, very serious and rigourous critiques of genetic determism are discussed. There are other seriuos views beside gentic determinism and environmental determinism. The Bell Curve True believers pick their favorite writers and scientists and run with them. There is a large and growing academic literature that they just completly ignore. If they were taking an undergraduate course in the philosophy of biology they would be give an F for doing this on their assigned papers.
This is all I'm going to say on the issue in this thread.
“Our devil has pale skin and blue eyes…”
“We remain a hunted people. Now you think you have a destiny to fulfill in the land that historically has been ours for forty thousand years. And we’re a new Mestizo nation.”
“We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him.”
-- Jose Angel Gutierrez, founder of La Raza
Jimmy: Ron Paul all the way. The only candidate worthy of consideration.
Wheeler: I won't deny that some Asian (especially Chinese) immigrants are unassimilated and hostile, but I do think you are projecting your own bad personal experiences onto the issue.
From my own experience, mosts Asians are not advocates of turning California into Mexico (unlike a disturbing number of white liberals) and are not as traitorous and conniving as you view them.
Bede: I think conservatism can exist without ethnocentrism (but won't say it is incompatible). We all want to preserve the traditions and institutions of the past--but none of us, so far as I know, wants to preserve all of them.
I would still say that the race is a sort of extension of the family, but one that is so weak as to be essentially meaningless. All whites are distantly related, but by that token so are all human beings. And if we won't expand the super-family to all humans, then why are Frenchmen or Finns in my family, if I have no ancestors from France of Finland? And from my experience, family is a real, tangible thing--you live with your nuclear family and know your extended family and you have a set role therein--you are a son, husband, brother, father etc. But what is each man in a race? Are we all brothers?
DD, half of us are White Nationalists and one person has used the term 'cockroach'. And while I wouldn't use that term and am not a WN, we are all here, having a fairly civil discussion on ethnic relations and the future of the country.
Contribute something substantive or go away, please.
@Mr. David Duke
Sorry, you've got the wrong idea. (As I explained in #192.) Some of us are WN's, but not me. I think WN will only lead to ethnic strive, which will only make us less well off. Look where WN got the Serbs and Germans, they've become most frowned upon peoples of Europe. Up untill this day, Germans can't show any sympathy for their nation and Serbs are pushed into giving up their province Kosovo. These are not coincidences.
Don't go down this path of self destruction. If you really care about your people, lead them towards a better future. In your heart, you know I'm right.
@Jeff
My answer towards the fear of becoming future minority is family-centrism. To recreate a stable basis for a healthy society. I also think people should be allowed to form their own schools, so the parents can oversee if the curriculum isn't filled with cultural Marxist nonsense, stupid personality training sessions and endless psycho-babble. Forgive me, for stating this bluntly, but most men don't need that.
@Dede
Well philosophival insights into conservatism could go either way. So, I am not going to say to you are right and I am wrong.
Plato also defined 'race' as something entirely different. He named it a group of people within a tribe, the 'race' of warriors, philosophers, etcetera. Jeff gave good examples concerning his kids. They're just as American as every other American.
What matters is culture and mass immigration undermines the culture. Stop the immigration or risk losing the most magnificent free civilization/ country, which has ever existed. The US is freer and better than Europe, even though most ideas originated here.
Don't let the do-good-ers ruin your country.
"Organized Jewish groups have played a role in pushing the white man towards oblivion and their actions can only classified as a form of ethnic warfare against their gracious hosts. I recommend everyone read the articles and books by professor Kevin MacDonald for a better understanding." - Super Dave
Your comments make preeminent sense...and many jews (usually more intelligent than the average jew, or elite jewish rulership) today agree with you. That's why you should also read people like the Atzmons on http://peacepalestine.blogspot.com Their August articles I believe of Aug. 7 & 15 ... or thereabouts.
Sid, who smears you for simply seeing the truth is a dinosaur...but still no doubt either paid in full for his alleged 'beliefs' ... or paid by the endorphins his beliefs release naturally (as with all us humans) i.e. the brain's natural painkillers into his brain chemistry. Sometimes, as perhaps in sid's case, it's difficult to teach an old dog new tricks... or for example new and improved beliefs i.e. 'new & improved' only means different but more accurate beliefs... to get those same endorphins releasing, so necessary, and sid happily functional again on the right track. Win-win.
SUPER DAVE... i luv'ya ... are you leaping the Grand Canyon? I'd tag along, but it may weigh'ya down?
Jimmy
Why the Serb bashing? They did not bring upon themselves. I completely reject the comparison with Nazi Germany.
The Bosians and Croations were not innocent bystanders in all of this.
You can blame Bill Clinton and the German goverment for the scale of the bloodshed in the Balkans.
Jeff's racially hybrid children may be just as American as my kids. However, if Euro-Americans were replaced with Chinese legal immigrants and their offfspring, the offspring would not be just as American as the offspring of todays Euro-Americans...including my kids
Race is important in this situation. Your attempt to disolve the racial factor in this situation is intellectually dishonest.
Jimmy: Amen to family-centrism.
Wheeler: Thank you for admitting the American-ness of my children (though I cringe at the term "hybrid"--what are they, citrus trees?).
We should end (or at least severely limit) legal immigration from Asia (and everywhere else), but I think that some Asians already fully assimilated. One of my former classmates is ethnically pure Chinese, but his family has been here for over a century and is an evangelical Christian. Same for another, a valedictorian and Marine enlistee. And then the next year's valedictorian, whose family is from India. All conservative and patriotic to boot.
@Mr. Brian Wheeler
Serb bashing? I never bash Serbs! I've written over 20 columns on them and the injust treatment put upon them. You could almost call me a Serbophile.
I'm just referring to their wicked leader Milosevic who tried to ethnic cleanse Kosovo and created haywire in Bosnia. Even though, Serbia was provoked a lot. Serbs were victims of a brutal regime. I would never diss 'em. I'm just pointing out whereto ethnic nationalism will lead. You're a bit right though, Nazi Germany is a too extreme example. I apologise for giving the wrong impression.
Intellectually dishonest? Ah, man. I've told you already, I'm on your side. Too bad, you can't spot an ally, from an enemy.
Anyway, good website. I like it. I'm going to join new discussions soon. Good night from the Old Country!
Jeff Willoughby
I didn't like the hybrid description of your children either strike it out of your mind and replace it with biracial.
John Cleese refers to his half English and half American children as half-breeds. Now that's real friggin nasty!!!!!
(Re. comment #205)
"... I’m just referring to their wicked leader Milosevic who tried to ethnic cleanse Kosovo and created haywire in Bosnia. Even though, Serbia was provoked a lot. Serbs were victims of a brutal regime. ..."
This does not accord with historical fact. For an explanation please see the relevant excerpt from the book "Serbs and Croats" by Alex Dragnich, Professor of Political Science at Vanderbilt University and Chester Nimitz Professor at the U.S. Naval War College, comment #5 to Srdja's 7 August post "Alekseev: Unilateral Recognition of Kosovo’s Independence Would Be an 'Historic Mistake'" at the Chronicles.
The post above from "David Duke" is almost certainly a fabrication from our racial enemies - probably from the ADL, the Southern Poverty Law Center, or some other Jewish anti-white hate group.
What to say? Some of you get it, others don't. The issue is RACE RACE RACE RACE RACE etc etc.
By the mid-point of this century all of the "Christian paleoconservative" bloviation will seem at best quaint, at worst, treasonous. Events will simply have passed you people by.
As I have written innumerable times on this site's writebacks, America is a white nation, founded, settled and built by white racial supremacists, most Christian, some not, which, for the last half-century, has been progressively invaded, colonized and conquered by racial/biological aliens who do not assimilate into our culture, and indeed, cannot. The outcome of this greatest tragedy in the history of men will simply be the extirpation of traditional America, and, as this tragedy compounded of racial naivete, self-hatred, and both liberal AND Christian 'do-gooderism', is unfolding across the whole Aryan world, the extinction of the white race itself.
When o when will "conservatives" realize this?
Christianity is treason. Gotcha'.
Yes, culture, religion, language, education, and policy does not matter. It's all race.
The faith of our fathers, of centuries, does not matter. Nope. We should go back to dancing around fires, worshiping Odin and fairies.
The Christianity of the Founders and all subsequent great Americans is dispensable and can be tossed out without another thought. Washington was an idiot for being so tolerant to those damn Jews! And General Lee was a big puss for all his Christian softness!
Private property doesn't matter--hey it all belongs to the race! Share the wealth with your white brothers, brother!
What? You don't agree? What are you a traitor?
For the White Nationalist here I have a question:
I show you two people.
One is an anglophone, patriotic, hard-working Christian, whose grandparents immigrated from India. The other is a non-Mestizo (and 100% European) blue-eyed Mexican Marxist fresh from Tiajuana? Which is the American? Which is worthy of being an American? Which will you identify with? With whom would you take sides?