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		<title>By: the role of horses in the civil war</title>
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		<dc:creator>the role of horses in the civil war</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;the role of horses in the civil war...&lt;/strong&gt;

I am thinking of doing a blog, how many times a week do you think I should post?...</description>
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		<title>By: Jessie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Jessie...&lt;/strong&gt;

This is one of the more useful reads I have had today....</description>
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<p>This is one of the more useful reads I have had today....</p>
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		<title>By: Juli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2007 18:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This analysis is a little bit naive. The world is not a big game of &quot;Risk&quot; ( a board game where Ukraine is weak-Seinfield episode). As said from Vassili, i think, Russia gains more from Kosovo independence and also by &quot;firmly opossing&quot; it they gain the right for first dips in the next big move after Kosovo is independent (or if, according to some), Putin is very smart after all he served in KGB and who knows what they are bargaining for maybe pipelines, Georgia, the Arctic. I also got the feeling that Mr (or Dr., sorry) Trifkovic is some what waiting for this mayheim of army interventions to occur. This is a sick scenario (and unlikely to my opinion) that serves well only the real jihadist wherever they are. A war between NATO and Russia is nonsense and serves no good to any of the two,  so i don&#039;t see them making this huge tactical mistake over the tiny nation of Kosovo (or region according to others). Also it will be detrimental for Serbians and Albanians (ethnic or otherwise). 
Another point is that Albania is not a muslim state, eventhough i don&#039;t know you definition of a muslim state. Many &quot;muslims&quot; or even &quot;orthodox&quot; from Albania are only so in name (like me i tell people i am orthodox because i have to tell them something but i only go to church for Christmas and Eastern), i have seen more covered women in my mid-size comunity here in US than in my home town in Albania. Albania has no laws that actually favor one religion versus another, what i like about it is that religion is significantly separated from the state (at least more than in US) and no one cares what religion you come from. The first time i was asked for my religion was in The States.  I realise though that some of these facts might not resonate well with the conservative comunity in US. Anyway i also don&#039;t think that Kosovo will become a kaliphate once independent. Why do i think that kosovo should become independent? For the simple fact that they can not live in the same state with serbs anymore (or vice versa), history has shown it to be imposible and so does this thread. It is tragedy, it really is given the things we actually have in common.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This analysis is a little bit naive. The world is not a big game of "Risk" ( a board game where Ukraine is weak-Seinfield episode). As said from Vassili, i think, Russia gains more from Kosovo independence and also by "firmly opossing" it they gain the right for first dips in the next big move after Kosovo is independent (or if, according to some), Putin is very smart after all he served in KGB and who knows what they are bargaining for maybe pipelines, Georgia, the Arctic. I also got the feeling that Mr (or Dr., sorry) Trifkovic is some what waiting for this mayheim of army interventions to occur. This is a sick scenario (and unlikely to my opinion) that serves well only the real jihadist wherever they are. A war between NATO and Russia is nonsense and serves no good to any of the two,  so i don't see them making this huge tactical mistake over the tiny nation of Kosovo (or region according to others). Also it will be detrimental for Serbians and Albanians (ethnic or otherwise).<br />
Another point is that Albania is not a muslim state, eventhough i don't know you definition of a muslim state. Many "muslims" or even "orthodox" from Albania are only so in name (like me i tell people i am orthodox because i have to tell them something but i only go to church for Christmas and Eastern), i have seen more covered women in my mid-size comunity here in US than in my home town in Albania. Albania has no laws that actually favor one religion versus another, what i like about it is that religion is significantly separated from the state (at least more than in US) and no one cares what religion you come from. The first time i was asked for my religion was in The States.  I realise though that some of these facts might not resonate well with the conservative comunity in US. Anyway i also don't think that Kosovo will become a kaliphate once independent. Why do i think that kosovo should become independent? For the simple fact that they can not live in the same state with serbs anymore (or vice versa), history has shown it to be imposible and so does this thread. It is tragedy, it really is given the things we actually have in common.</p>
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		<title>By: Gentian Zyberi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gentian Zyberi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2007 01:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My dearest Mr. Pavlovich,

I noticed that the time you wrote your coment was a bit early in the morning. Had you drank your coffee maybe you would have been more polite towards me. But anyhow...I don&#039;t mind. As a French proverb goes: &quot;The spit of the frog cannot catch the white dove.&quot;

I&#039;m not going to comment on your affiliations with the UDBA... Not necessary. Now there are two possibilities concerning your comment about you seeing no churches during the 70s and the 80s in Albania: either you&#039;re ILL-INFORMED...or you&#039;re a LIAR. I&#039;ll let you choose between the two.

For the benefit of the others who read OUR early mornings entries the communist regime that was established in Albania after WWII (with the help of the Yugoslav Communist Party) forbade religion in Albania in 1967. At that time many religious objects were destroyed. No wonder you did not see many of them (none, according to your claims). The communist regime had many of them razed to the ground. However, the ruins of old churches were still there during all times. I come from what is now Northern Albania Mr. Pavlovich and I can tell you one thing or two about the north of Albania. That&#039;s where religion was still practised even under the nose of one of the most dictatorial regimes in the world. In my village we celebrated Easter and other religious feasts even then..albeit not openly (my family of Muslim origin and other families of Roman Catholic belief). The church was always there...although it was not functional and people buried their dead in its yard all the time..even during communism. That information might help you a little bit to refresh the memory or awaken it to the Reality as IT IS and not as you want it to be.

Let me also give you a lesson of history. It&#039;s free of charge. You can better use your money for caviar and champagne.

Albanians have been stable boys and Grand Vezirs in the Ottoman empire...just like other people from other ethnicities! They have been soldiers and generals throughout history..they have been illiterate and scholars...they have been brick-layers and great architects that have designed objects that pertain now to the world heritage... The problem you have is not that you don&#039;t know or you don&#039;t understand..you just don&#039;t want to accept that Albanians can be good, or create good things, or that ultimately are a force to be reckoned with...But it&#039;s not only your problem...it&#039;s a general problem you seem to have on a national level...Too bad, how sad...

Because you&#039;re left with little to argue you resort to personal insults. I&#039;ll not deal with them. Spreading lies and being disrespectful to others will not earn you any admiration. I don&#039;t expect words of this kind as the ones used above to come from a learned person as yourself..but then being a good person and reasonable is not only a matter of education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My dearest Mr. Pavlovich,</p>
<p>I noticed that the time you wrote your coment was a bit early in the morning. Had you drank your coffee maybe you would have been more polite towards me. But anyhow...I don't mind. As a French proverb goes: "The spit of the frog cannot catch the white dove."</p>
<p>I'm not going to comment on your affiliations with the UDBA... Not necessary. Now there are two possibilities concerning your comment about you seeing no churches during the 70s and the 80s in Albania: either you're ILL-INFORMED...or you're a LIAR. I'll let you choose between the two.</p>
<p>For the benefit of the others who read OUR early mornings entries the communist regime that was established in Albania after WWII (with the help of the Yugoslav Communist Party) forbade religion in Albania in 1967. At that time many religious objects were destroyed. No wonder you did not see many of them (none, according to your claims). The communist regime had many of them razed to the ground. However, the ruins of old churches were still there during all times. I come from what is now Northern Albania Mr. Pavlovich and I can tell you one thing or two about the north of Albania. That's where religion was still practised even under the nose of one of the most dictatorial regimes in the world. In my village we celebrated Easter and other religious feasts even then..albeit not openly (my family of Muslim origin and other families of Roman Catholic belief). The church was always there...although it was not functional and people buried their dead in its yard all the time..even during communism. That information might help you a little bit to refresh the memory or awaken it to the Reality as IT IS and not as you want it to be.</p>
<p>Let me also give you a lesson of history. It's free of charge. You can better use your money for caviar and champagne.</p>
<p>Albanians have been stable boys and Grand Vezirs in the Ottoman empire...just like other people from other ethnicities! They have been soldiers and generals throughout history..they have been illiterate and scholars...they have been brick-layers and great architects that have designed objects that pertain now to the world heritage... The problem you have is not that you don't know or you don't understand..you just don't want to accept that Albanians can be good, or create good things, or that ultimately are a force to be reckoned with...But it's not only your problem...it's a general problem you seem to have on a national level...Too bad, how sad...</p>
<p>Because you're left with little to argue you resort to personal insults. I'll not deal with them. Spreading lies and being disrespectful to others will not earn you any admiration. I don't expect words of this kind as the ones used above to come from a learned person as yourself..but then being a good person and reasonable is not only a matter of education.</p>
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		<title>By: Vassili</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vassili</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 22:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couple words about my background - I lived (legally :-) for 12 years in the US, and moved back to Moscow (Russia) 4 years ago. War in Iraq was a strong factor. So, I hope I understand US cultural context enough to be able to communicate here.
This is a very nice article, but I can&#039;t agree with the point that Kosovo&#039;s independence would be a huge loss for Russia.
Putin is great player (I admit that for one I moved  to Russia due to a simple reason that I wanted to cast my vote for him and enjoy the show). So - Russia may be indicating that Kosovo&#039;s independance is completely unaccaptable because in fact Russia would only win from this and secretly wants that to happen.

One thing to understand here - Serbia is not in alliance with Russia, not a close friend, not a darling - none of a kind. Yes, indeed languages are very close due to some quirk.
In general people have been indoctrinated in Russia that Serbia is not our friend. Stalin and Tito were not friends. So, we had known very well that the reason for the 1st World War was - Serbia, that Russia got drugged into the war - because of Serbia. That resulted in communists coming to power etc. etc. So people say here - &quot;we really don&#039;t want to get into a 3rd world war bacause of Serbs AGAIN&quot;.
Back during soviet time there were two kinds of international travel passports - one for &quot;friends&quot; (Poland, East Germany, Bolgaria, Chechoslovakia etc.), it was relatively easy to travel there as a tourist. To travel to the West there was a differenct kind of a passport. In order to get such one had to go through a lot of approvals and it was possible to obtain the &quot;capitalist&quot; passport only after &quot;socialist&quot;. So the point of this excursion into history .... guess which kind of passport was required to travel to Yugoslavia? &quot;Capitalist&quot;, it was technically treated as the Western country.

Now,  what Russia stands to gain from Kosovo&#039;s independance:

1) EU is not Russia&#039;s friend. Another muslim state in EU is bad for EU.
2) conflict with Serbia and EU - more brownie points
3) PRECEDENT - There are 3 de-facto independent states around Russia that Russia would gladly recognize - Osetia, Abhasia and Pridnestrovie. These are de-facto countries, and there is a potential in Crimea, Baltics, Eastern Ukraine. Russia was cut very unfavourably with lots and lots of Russian population left outside of Russia. The other way round... Chechnja is obedient now, and I don&#039;t see other serious claimers for independence now. Tatarstan is anclave inside the Russia territory and have been part of Russia for 600 years, and then initialy it was Russia that was occupied by Tatars, so I don&#039;t see them willing to leave in practical terms.
4) many nations all over the world would hate US for this precedent  - more brownie points

Now, of course all that is not good for the US. I still do not understand and never understood the whole point about Kosovo - my theory is that neo-cons are really not educated at all about history and Serbi/Russian relations, so they THOUGH that with Kosovo they will  cause a lot of pain to Russia. In fact it acted only as a trigger for Russia&#039;s understanding that is should protect it&#039;s own interests in the first place, since US would try to do any kind of harm and damage to Russia, even imaginary harm, or non-harm, but not for the lack of desire and trying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couple words about my background - I lived (legally <img src='http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  for 12 years in the US, and moved back to Moscow (Russia) 4 years ago. War in Iraq was a strong factor. So, I hope I understand US cultural context enough to be able to communicate here.<br />
This is a very nice article, but I can't agree with the point that Kosovo's independence would be a huge loss for Russia.<br />
Putin is great player (I admit that for one I moved  to Russia due to a simple reason that I wanted to cast my vote for him and enjoy the show). So - Russia may be indicating that Kosovo's independance is completely unaccaptable because in fact Russia would only win from this and secretly wants that to happen.</p>
<p>One thing to understand here - Serbia is not in alliance with Russia, not a close friend, not a darling - none of a kind. Yes, indeed languages are very close due to some quirk.<br />
In general people have been indoctrinated in Russia that Serbia is not our friend. Stalin and Tito were not friends. So, we had known very well that the reason for the 1st World War was - Serbia, that Russia got drugged into the war - because of Serbia. That resulted in communists coming to power etc. etc. So people say here - "we really don't want to get into a 3rd world war bacause of Serbs AGAIN".<br />
Back during soviet time there were two kinds of international travel passports - one for "friends" (Poland, East Germany, Bolgaria, Chechoslovakia etc.), it was relatively easy to travel there as a tourist. To travel to the West there was a differenct kind of a passport. In order to get such one had to go through a lot of approvals and it was possible to obtain the "capitalist" passport only after "socialist". So the point of this excursion into history .... guess which kind of passport was required to travel to Yugoslavia? "Capitalist", it was technically treated as the Western country.</p>
<p>Now,  what Russia stands to gain from Kosovo's independance:</p>
<p>1) EU is not Russia's friend. Another muslim state in EU is bad for EU.<br />
2) conflict with Serbia and EU - more brownie points<br />
3) PRECEDENT - There are 3 de-facto independent states around Russia that Russia would gladly recognize - Osetia, Abhasia and Pridnestrovie. These are de-facto countries, and there is a potential in Crimea, Baltics, Eastern Ukraine. Russia was cut very unfavourably with lots and lots of Russian population left outside of Russia. The other way round... Chechnja is obedient now, and I don't see other serious claimers for independence now. Tatarstan is anclave inside the Russia territory and have been part of Russia for 600 years, and then initialy it was Russia that was occupied by Tatars, so I don't see them willing to leave in practical terms.<br />
4) many nations all over the world would hate US for this precedent  - more brownie points</p>
<p>Now, of course all that is not good for the US. I still do not understand and never understood the whole point about Kosovo - my theory is that neo-cons are really not educated at all about history and Serbi/Russian relations, so they THOUGH that with Kosovo they will  cause a lot of pain to Russia. In fact it acted only as a trigger for Russia's understanding that is should protect it's own interests in the first place, since US would try to do any kind of harm and damage to Russia, even imaginary harm, or non-harm, but not for the lack of desire and trying.</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; The Badly Painted Corner The Third Site: Resources and discussion of the proposed U.S. Missile Defense Project in Eastern Europe</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; The Badly Painted Corner The Third Site: Resources and discussion of the proposed U.S. Missile Defense Project in Eastern Europe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Trifkovic, writing in Chronicles: A Magazine of American Culture, says the Bush administration has painted itself into a bad corner on the issue of Kosovo independence - a geopolitical issue that Russia is on the other side of and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Trifkovic, writing in Chronicles: A Magazine of American Culture, says the Bush administration has painted itself into a bad corner on the issue of Kosovo independence - a geopolitical issue that Russia is on the other side of and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: News &#124; Serbian Unity Congress &#187; Drawing the Line - A Fight Empire Can&#8217;t Win, antiwar.com/Nebojsa Malic</title>
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		<dc:creator>News &#124; Serbian Unity Congress &#187; Drawing the Line - A Fight Empire Can&#8217;t Win, antiwar.com/Nebojsa Malic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 15:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a &#8220;done deal,&#8221; and &#8220;sooner or later,&#8221; have found themselves painted into a corner, unable to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: EMete</title>
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		<dc:creator>EMete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 01:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unable to reply to an insult to my address by Boba Borojevic (42) posted on article THE DISHARMONIOUS &quot;TROIKA&quot; because my comments have been denied access there, I would only say to him: &quot;Civility please, Mr. Borojevic! Personal abuse is indication of a weak mind.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unable to reply to an insult to my address by Boba Borojevic (42) posted on article THE DISHARMONIOUS "TROIKA" because my comments have been denied access there, I would only say to him: "Civility please, Mr. Borojevic! Personal abuse is indication of a weak mind."</p>
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		<title>By: EMete</title>
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		<dc:creator>EMete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 00:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I.P (73) says: &quot;I visited Albania many times (as I did, but mainly the northern half) and it was during the 1970 and 1980s (both decades)&quot;

I don&#039;t believe it. He makes it up. In what capacity did he visit Albania&#039;s northern part? As a businessmam, I very much doubt it or, may be, he must have been participating in some cloak-and-dagger operation there. But why should we question what he says. It is most likely that he must have visited Kosova or I&#039;d better say that part of it which lies to the north of Albania.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I.P (73) says: "I visited Albania many times (as I did, but mainly the northern half) and it was during the 1970 and 1980s (both decades)"</p>
<p>I don't believe it. He makes it up. In what capacity did he visit Albania's northern part? As a businessmam, I very much doubt it or, may be, he must have been participating in some cloak-and-dagger operation there. But why should we question what he says. It is most likely that he must have visited Kosova or I'd better say that part of it which lies to the north of Albania.</p>
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		<title>By: Iliya Pavlovich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iliya Pavlovich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 12:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peculiar how you found a convenient system of weights and measures according to which Albanian crimes are &quot;minor incursions&quot; violations, while Serbian crimes are all major felonies. Are you kidding or are you deranged? How can there be such a vast difference? Have there not been Serbians KILLED by Albanians or do you want me to publish the names of Serbians KILLED by Albanians? That is the essence of your Gestapo workings you began to belive your own lies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peculiar how you found a convenient system of weights and measures according to which Albanian crimes are "minor incursions" violations, while Serbian crimes are all major felonies. Are you kidding or are you deranged? How can there be such a vast difference? Have there not been Serbians KILLED by Albanians or do you want me to publish the names of Serbians KILLED by Albanians? That is the essence of your Gestapo workings you began to belive your own lies.</p>
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