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	<title>Comments on: Wall of Sound: Noise as the Basis of Culture</title>
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		<title>By: John Bullock</title>
		<link>http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2007/08/07/wall-of-sound-noise-as-the-basis-of-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-12278</link>
		<dc:creator>John Bullock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I pray we will have more to say about God&#039;s word and work in relative to our simple daily walk with Him and His followers after repenting from failing to redeem the time and wasting brain cells gawking at the modern towers of Babel.  I am ashamed that I recognize so many of the names mentioned.  I am coming to realize that the only antidote to such idolatry is to spend more time with my Bible in front of my own kneeling frame (&quot;if My people...&quot;) and to invest more in the lives of those around me (&quot;who is my neighbor&quot;).

I could say so much more from my own noisy experience, but I am on a path on which I am determined not to know anything with others except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I pray we will have more to say about God's word and work in relative to our simple daily walk with Him and His followers after repenting from failing to redeem the time and wasting brain cells gawking at the modern towers of Babel.  I am ashamed that I recognize so many of the names mentioned.  I am coming to realize that the only antidote to such idolatry is to spend more time with my Bible in front of my own kneeling frame ("if My people...") and to invest more in the lives of those around me ("who is my neighbor").</p>
<p>I could say so much more from my own noisy experience, but I am on a path on which I am determined not to know anything with others except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.</p>
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		<title>By: jackscrow</title>
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		<dc:creator>jackscrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 23:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand the importance of this article, and I get what you&#039;re writing about, but I don&#039;t attend a church that will ever have a &quot;Praise Band&quot; or uses canned music and, I doubt that John Gorka, Cheryl Wheeler, Chris Knight, Todd Snider, etc... will ever employ 
the &quot;wall of sound&quot;.

I tuned out of pop culture and the bs that surrounds it a long time ago, and as far as music goes, if you can&#039;t perform your music (or your church service) in my living room, then I don&#039;t need to listen....

I recommend it....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand the importance of this article, and I get what you're writing about, but I don't attend a church that will ever have a "Praise Band" or uses canned music and, I doubt that John Gorka, Cheryl Wheeler, Chris Knight, Todd Snider, etc... will ever employ<br />
the "wall of sound".</p>
<p>I tuned out of pop culture and the bs that surrounds it a long time ago, and as far as music goes, if you can't perform your music (or your church service) in my living room, then I don't need to listen....</p>
<p>I recommend it....</p>
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		<title>By: Rublev's Dog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rublev's Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe this is the most profound article to appear at Chronicles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe this is the most profound article to appear at Chronicles.</p>
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		<title>By: Hucbald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hucbald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 22:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it only fair to note that while Spector had his disciples - most notably Quincy Jones and his &quot;ear candy&quot; approach on the older Michael Jackson recordings - there were also producers and engineers who took a reactionary approach to the &quot;wall of sound&quot; and produced many records with spare arrangements.  Many of those guys ended up in Nashville producing country and western music, which is by and large more down to earth than the overproduced pop dreck one usually encounters.

As far as the pros and cons of amplification are concerned, I believe I can speak directly to this with some authority, as I am one of the few &quot;classical&quot; guitarists that has taken amplification from a necessary evil to an art in and of itself.  And, trust me, I get plenty of flak for it from the traditionalists.  But, my approach to using digital effects and recording studio class sound systems live has been to recreate the chills I get when I hear the voice of God described as, &quot;the sound of many waters,&quot; which I imagine to be a very reverberant sound with an impossibly broad stereo field and infinitude of stage depth: The sine qua non of total sonic immersion.  Those who understand what I&#039;m doing are admittedly few, but the satisfaction I get when someone compliments the virtual acoustic environments I program as, &quot;impossibly huge!&quot; or the like is worth more to me than all the tea in China.  I do play acoustically before Church services though, as I believe that is more fitting.

Great points about environmental music pollution.  Even though I&#039;m a musician, I spend most of every day in silence: That way musical experiences become more important, and my mind wanders off less during them.  Being a &quot;pray continually&quot; kind of Christian, musical background noise doesn&#039;t sever my tie with the Almighty, however.

Don&#039;t even get me started about how readily available recorded music has lessened the value of live performances.  Before recordings, all musical experiences were major events.  Now, not so much. Unfortunately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it only fair to note that while Spector had his disciples - most notably Quincy Jones and his "ear candy" approach on the older Michael Jackson recordings - there were also producers and engineers who took a reactionary approach to the "wall of sound" and produced many records with spare arrangements.  Many of those guys ended up in Nashville producing country and western music, which is by and large more down to earth than the overproduced pop dreck one usually encounters.</p>
<p>As far as the pros and cons of amplification are concerned, I believe I can speak directly to this with some authority, as I am one of the few "classical" guitarists that has taken amplification from a necessary evil to an art in and of itself.  And, trust me, I get plenty of flak for it from the traditionalists.  But, my approach to using digital effects and recording studio class sound systems live has been to recreate the chills I get when I hear the voice of God described as, "the sound of many waters," which I imagine to be a very reverberant sound with an impossibly broad stereo field and infinitude of stage depth: The sine qua non of total sonic immersion.  Those who understand what I'm doing are admittedly few, but the satisfaction I get when someone compliments the virtual acoustic environments I program as, "impossibly huge!" or the like is worth more to me than all the tea in China.  I do play acoustically before Church services though, as I believe that is more fitting.</p>
<p>Great points about environmental music pollution.  Even though I'm a musician, I spend most of every day in silence: That way musical experiences become more important, and my mind wanders off less during them.  Being a "pray continually" kind of Christian, musical background noise doesn't sever my tie with the Almighty, however.</p>
<p>Don't even get me started about how readily available recorded music has lessened the value of live performances.  Before recordings, all musical experiences were major events.  Now, not so much. Unfortunately.</p>
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		<title>By: G.S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would suggest that the distinction to be made is not between sound vs. silence, but rather noise vs. harmony.

Neither sound nor silence can be identified as categorically good or categorically bad -- rather, each is a good in some particular contexts, while bad in others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would suggest that the distinction to be made is not between sound vs. silence, but rather noise vs. harmony.</p>
<p>Neither sound nor silence can be identified as categorically good or categorically bad -- rather, each is a good in some particular contexts, while bad in others.</p>
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		<title>By: robert m. peters</title>
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		<dc:creator>robert m. peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 16:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just this week in my Sunday school class, we discussed, at the close of an opening prayer, prayer itself.  Prayer is an intimate conversation on the way or on the pilgrimage with the Logos/the Christ.  Since He is the Master, since He is the Lord, since He is the very Way by which and on which we are traveling, it stands to quite good reason that what He has to say in our dialogue with one another is the most important.  For us to hear the Master&#039;s voice, for us sheep to know our Shepherd&#039;s voice, we must be very still and listen.  Our petitions should be brief and led by the Holy Spirit; otherwise, our prayers should be most marked by quietness and our own silence, a silence brought on by the very peace of His presence; for apart from Him His peace does not abide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just this week in my Sunday school class, we discussed, at the close of an opening prayer, prayer itself.  Prayer is an intimate conversation on the way or on the pilgrimage with the Logos/the Christ.  Since He is the Master, since He is the Lord, since He is the very Way by which and on which we are traveling, it stands to quite good reason that what He has to say in our dialogue with one another is the most important.  For us to hear the Master's voice, for us sheep to know our Shepherd's voice, we must be very still and listen.  Our petitions should be brief and led by the Holy Spirit; otherwise, our prayers should be most marked by quietness and our own silence, a silence brought on by the very peace of His presence; for apart from Him His peace does not abide.</p>
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		<title>By: C Bowen</title>
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		<dc:creator>C Bowen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 13:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and yet Johnny Cash was a hit with my generation when he covered just a few of our (over-produced) songs, so all is not lost.

This article has been on my mind since I read it a few weeks back.  My not-yet-two-year old claps and dances along to Bluegrass (digital music, thank you cable) and within the last couple of months has added, yes, Johnny Cash to his musical delights.  And yet he hears nothing, not music anyway, if I turn on a &#039;pop&#039; song.  No clapping, no dancing-- should I be experimenting this way?  No matter, I had thought it was &#039;proof&#039; that music was in our genes but that explanation is at least partial cover for the reality of the corruption in my ears and mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>...and yet Johnny Cash was a hit with my generation when he covered just a few of our (over-produced) songs, so all is not lost.</p>
<p>This article has been on my mind since I read it a few weeks back.  My not-yet-two-year old claps and dances along to Bluegrass (digital music, thank you cable) and within the last couple of months has added, yes, Johnny Cash to his musical delights.  And yet he hears nothing, not music anyway, if I turn on a 'pop' song.  No clapping, no dancing-- should I be experimenting this way?  No matter, I had thought it was 'proof' that music was in our genes but that explanation is at least partial cover for the reality of the corruption in my ears and mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Wilder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Wilder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 13:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We Americans do seem to have an aversion to silence and contemplation.  I have some disagreements with Dr. Wolf&#039;s theology no doubt, as I don&#039;t hold with either cathedrals or choirs/orchestras, but to worship a capella, &quot;of the church.&quot;  Still, even in a capella worship, the pervasiveness of restlessness is seen.  Technology itself is not bad (our church uses powerpoint slides to announce upcoming events, persons overseas, those in need of prayers, prior to our service beginning, and our evangelists use simply slides--glorified overheads, really--to present a sermon outline during preaching), but there must be given place to recognize, &quot;the Lord is in his holy temple, let all the earth keep silence before Him&quot;, as spoke Habakkuk and recounted in a great hymn.

I am prone to freneticism (I made that up) myself.  Part of the old WASP influence, &quot;idle hands are the devil&#039;s workshop.&quot;  I suppose there&#039;s nothing wrong in being busy at work, but the point I take from Dr. Wolf, is busyness (even for good purpose) is no substitute for the openness to the Lord found in quietness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We Americans do seem to have an aversion to silence and contemplation.  I have some disagreements with Dr. Wolf's theology no doubt, as I don't hold with either cathedrals or choirs/orchestras, but to worship a capella, "of the church."  Still, even in a capella worship, the pervasiveness of restlessness is seen.  Technology itself is not bad (our church uses powerpoint slides to announce upcoming events, persons overseas, those in need of prayers, prior to our service beginning, and our evangelists use simply slides--glorified overheads, really--to present a sermon outline during preaching), but there must be given place to recognize, "the Lord is in his holy temple, let all the earth keep silence before Him", as spoke Habakkuk and recounted in a great hymn.</p>
<p>I am prone to freneticism (I made that up) myself.  Part of the old WASP influence, "idle hands are the devil's workshop."  I suppose there's nothing wrong in being busy at work, but the point I take from Dr. Wolf, is busyness (even for good purpose) is no substitute for the openness to the Lord found in quietness.</p>
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		<title>By: Big M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 13:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A great example of this is the radio. I stopped listening years ago, and it was due to this: you can only get one or two seconds of silence on 98% of the stations out there, especially talk-radio type stations, if somebody makes a mistake.

Try it yourself. Turn on any &quot;pop&quot; FM radio station, or any AM talk station, and let me know if you can isolate any stretch in the space of an hour where you &quot;hear&quot; even two consecutive seconds of silence.

Yes, I know, advertisers want every second they can get, and the DJs are under pressure to get as many songs on in an hour as possible (is there anything more irritating than the way an FM station will chop a six-minute song into two to three minutes, or listening to one of these DJ asses running their mouths through an entire instrumental lead-in or outro to a song, as well as cutting off the ending so that you can listen to them run their stupid holes?), but if you turn this stuff off for a while, and then try listening to it, say, a few weeks later, I can almost guarantee that within five minutes, you&#039;ll shut it off, and from that point on, you&#039;ll find something else to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A great example of this is the radio. I stopped listening years ago, and it was due to this: you can only get one or two seconds of silence on 98% of the stations out there, especially talk-radio type stations, if somebody makes a mistake.</p>
<p>Try it yourself. Turn on any "pop" FM radio station, or any AM talk station, and let me know if you can isolate any stretch in the space of an hour where you "hear" even two consecutive seconds of silence.</p>
<p>Yes, I know, advertisers want every second they can get, and the DJs are under pressure to get as many songs on in an hour as possible (is there anything more irritating than the way an FM station will chop a six-minute song into two to three minutes, or listening to one of these DJ asses running their mouths through an entire instrumental lead-in or outro to a song, as well as cutting off the ending so that you can listen to them run their stupid holes?), but if you turn this stuff off for a while, and then try listening to it, say, a few weeks later, I can almost guarantee that within five minutes, you'll shut it off, and from that point on, you'll find something else to do.</p>
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		<title>By: ChroniclesMagazine.org &#187; LEISURE, THE BASIS OF CULTURE: August 2007</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChroniclesMagazine.org &#187; LEISURE, THE BASIS OF CULTURE: August 2007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 16:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Wall of Sound  by Aaron D. Wolf [...]</description>
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