The Perils of Kosovo’s Independence
Italy’s political forces of all color and hue are alarmed by the possibility of Kosovo’s proposed independence even though some prefer to pretend otherwise, Alleanza Nazionale Senator Alfredo Mantica, deputy chairman of the Commission on Foreign Affairs, told me in Rome earlier this month. Mantica, a veteran politician who was Italy’s deputy foreign minister in Berlusconi’s coalition government, favors a pause of several months “to reflect on this issue, and to consider the consequences of opening what may well prove to be Pandora’s box.” Mantica has no doubt that Kosovo’s independence would establish an important precedent, regardless of various assurances from Washington and Brussels to the contrary. He fears that this precedent would have the potential to destabilize Europe: the “right to self-determination” would be invoked by every dissatisfied minority, especially in the eastern half of the Old Continent.
Senator Mantica regrets the fact that the position of Italy in the European debate on Kosovo is weak, which reflects the lack of either principled courage or imagination within the ruling leftist coalition. In the beginning, he points out, the position of the Italian government was totally different. Initially, after the end of the intervention by NATO in 1999, that position was based on the need to devise a form of specific autonomy for Kosovo but not to consider independence as a viable option, let alone support it. The focus at that time was on the well-known “109 Standards” for Kosovo, standards concerning the respect for human rights of the Province’s minority communities, the rule of law, the return of refugees, and so on, before any “final status” could be considered.
“The problem of Kosovo was perceived in Rome as a problem of Italy’s national security,” Mantica says, “because we considered Kosovo a territory incapable of introducing the rule of law. We realized that Kosovo was a criminal would-be state whose criminality was largely directed against Italy.” And yet, today, only Slovakia, Romania, Greece and Spain are voicing unease with the proposed independence of Kosovo—and within the European Union as a whole there is no focused resistance to the U.S. position on the desirability of independence.
“We met recently with the U.N. mediator Marti Ahtisaari here in Rome,” Mantica goes on, “and he insisted that Kosovo’s independence would not set a precedent” for other countries with compact minority populations that wish to secede:
We asked him about Abkhasia, Ossetia, Transdnistria, Nagorno-Karabakh, northern Cyprus—and we found Mr. Ahtisaari very compliant with the American perspective. Neither he nor the current Italian government are taking any account of the position of Serbia. We have responded to Ahtisaari by pointing out that the current ethnic balance between Kosovo’s Serbs and Albanians is the result of the Albanians’ ethnic invasion, with only ten percent of the population being Serbian. Ahtisaari even rejected the suggestion that more time should be allowed for negotiations, saying that too much time had passed already with no new ideas on the table. I asked him personally, if the northern part of Kosovo should be allowed to remain with Serbia, or if the Serbian Republic in Bosnia, the Republika Srpska, should be able to join the Republic of Serbia. Is it not the case that Kosovo’s independence would open a host of new problems? I have also noted that the current borders of Serbia are not natural and historical but administrative-political, and that—by contrast—the current borders of Croatia have created a state far greater in geographic extent than the historical Croatia.
Senator Mantica insists that Italy should not recognize any unilateral declaration of independence of Kosovo that would seek to bypass the Security Council, “not only for legal and political reasons, but also because of the long historic ties between Italy and Serbia that hark back to World War I and before.” The pressure from the United States is strong, he says, but in Washington they cannot walk and chew gum at the same time: “Their absolute priority right now is Iraq and Afghanistan, and Kosovo is low on their list of priorities.”
When all is said and done, Manica continues, is it possible to imagine Kosovo as a functional sovereign state? He thinks not, and would therefore suggest a creative alternative: Kosovo as a province of Europe: “If we assume that all of the Balkan countries will eventually enter the European Union, it should be possible to envisage Kosovo entering Europe in a different way, like a province administered by the Union itself.” He nevertheless warns that is not in the capacity and authority of the EU to make such a decision:
Personally I hold that we are still stuck with the destructive legacy of Madeleine Albright. The policies pursued by the United States in her tenure [as Secretary of State] have helped Al Qaeda in Europe. But the same spirit is still present in Mr. Ahtisaari’s insistence that the Serbs of the Krajina are not a problem, while the Albanians of Kosovo are a problem—although in both cases the number of refugees was more or less the same.
The Italian government that agreed to NATO’s attack on Serbia in 1999 was a government of the Left, Mantica points out, just as the current government, which supports the Ahtisaari Plan is of the Left. Its prime minister at that time is now foreign minister; and it is noteworthy that this government has been notably supportive of the American position thus far. “The problem it faces is that our Parliament would not support the government if it tried to extend recognition of Kosovo’s independence that would bypass the UN Security Council,” he concludes. “It is no longer possible to steamroll decisions by asserting that Milosevic is a criminal and Tudjman or Izetbegovic is a saint.”
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Serbs! Stop bullshitting. You are intruders in the BALLKANS. Your real home is Rusia. GO THERE. Dont waste your time. A new democratik state is in making. LONG LIVE DARDANIA. DOWN WITH SERBIAN FASHISM! Dardanias SERBS WILL PACK AND GO. YOU GUESS WHERE.
Kosovo Albanians with their Albanian brethren along with an unhealthy doze of belligerence strongly indicates that Serbian, Greek and Macedonian forces should unite to wipe this scum off the Earth. So far every pro-KosovO voice has been either ill-informed (which I suspect was by design), malevolent, malicious, or grossly inaccurate in some other form. What possible friend can they ever have (except the Turks)? That’s why they should be entitled a free passage back to Turkey. Not only are Kosovar Albanians undesirable in Serbia, very soon they will be undesirable in Albania as well. You’ll see how fast a change is implemented once the truth comes out about all the Nazi affiliations of SS Skanderbeg, all the beheadings (which today you only see on Al-Jazeera – their Islamic brothers), they’ll be perfectly welcome in any of the Osama’s camps. Why do they need to be in Serbia if Serbia is such a villain? Let them go. The only solution that Kosovars are not expecting is an all out war for the Serbian Skadar and Greek Epirus. Left with Tyranny alone they will be better off moving out of Europe. Your own strategy of expelling people will suit you best.
Not that it is really important but why do you suppose that the "brave, noble, honorable" Kosovars are not using thier proper names, if they are so right?
Just counting Kosovo lies, historical twists, inaccuracies and other forms of propaganda speaks volumes of the kind of people they truly are.
Yeah Jim!
Italians to go back to the Black Sea. French & German go back to the Scandinavia. English go back to the Germany. Turks go back to the Iran. Israelis go back to Egypt. Americans go back to Europe. Canadians go back to France. Etc, etc.... Maybe then and only then Albanians will live peacefully on their "own".
Now we know full well, why there are no negotiations with the terrorists - they have no real reason to negotiate or hold any reasonable talks. In that case they have pre-selected a clash with the Serbian armed forces - since their prior armed conflicts only included elderly women, children and clergy. A nice, well organized military push - out of Kosovo - and out of Albania will do miracles for their abusive nature and criminal behavior.
The pro Nazi inclinations are visible to this day. Thaci, Cheku and other leaders all criminals - what fool would negotiate with them? Serbia should start with a series of military manouvers between Nis and Kursumlija named Saving White Angel - as the Mileseva fresco.
By the time other European Nazis come to Albanian's aid they (the Albanians will be in Turkey). On the other hand NATO failure to set foot on Serbian soil will prevent any serious deployment of Nazi military forces against Serbia. We should enlist (and pay) for the French foreign legion, Brazilian mercenaries, Chinese volunteers and wrap this up within a week or two.
A strong, well organized effort to include shooting of any CNN and BBC troops (for their own protections). Whatever the world media wants to produce they can do it from the memory of Christiana Amanpour and other "objective reporters".
Biggest mistake Serbians ever made is starting to negotiate with the terrorists in good faith as mandated by the West. Let the West negotiate all they want - Serbians have a legal claim on their lands and that land is not for sale - I don't care if 99% is populated by pink rabbits it is not a land of the rabbits - it is, it was and it will remain Serbian land. We don't necessarily wish to use a military solution but if that is the only solution left - we may be forced to apply use of armed forces - there is nothing wrong with that.
Give the Albanians a little more rope and they'll hang themselves with it. Let's get two schoolkids and their mother to walk to school two days in a row - Albanian animals won't resist the opportunity to attack women and children - enough of a pretext for the Serbian military to engage.
@Iliya Pavlovich:
thanks for showing off to the readers of this blog, what really lies inside the serbs: hate, racism, hunger, desire to step on somebody's face. You are giving the opportunity to people all over the world who were not so 'lucky' to live under serbian apartheid for more than 17 years as we kosovar albanians did, how much we have suffered. That was more than enough. You will not be offered the same pleasure again, no matter how much you want it.
We have a strong backing, because we are right, and you are wrong!
Kosovo is becoming independent. No doubt about that.
I agree that serbs will attempt to comeback, but WE ARE GOING TO BE PREPARED.
an albanian from KosovA
PS:
For your next visit to KosovA, please bring your passport with you, otherwise, a Kosovar border policement will deny your entry. We are kind enough not to impose visas on serbian citizens.
Well if there was hate inside Serbs as you imply then Albanians would no longer be a problem in Kosovo or the Balkans (there were two previous opportunities for Serbs to rid of all Albanians from Kosovo and the Balkans). You need to learn the basic unrevised history of the Balkans, before you begin to talk about things you do not know anything about. Now as far as hate, racism, and the desire to step on somebody’s face, thank you for sharing you inner thoughts, those are Albanian traits, we can also the result of the March 2004 pogrom, the whole world seen Albanian benevolence, burning Churches, and Monasteries that are over a thousand years old, killing unarmed nuns, priests, and desecrating cemeteries.
As far as apartheid, you do not know the meaning of apartheid; if you did you would not have compared it to Kosovo. What other European countries caters to migrant workers and refugees like Serbia has done, allowing an ethnic group to have its own flag, news papers, radio, television, in their own language, free education (from grade school to university) in their own language, free utilities, and free health, now does that sound like apartheid? You were lucky to live under benevolent Serbian rule for 17 years; unfortunately the world did not see this, otherwise you would have been living back in Albania and pursing your right to self determination, instead you are showing the world how you repay you hosts for their kindness.
We have all seen how you suffered, in 1999 when CNN and Christiane Amanpour made it very clear how you exited Kosovo entered Albania visited you 2nd home away form home, and then back to Kosovo, on cue…yes you have strong backing, the strongest money can buy, but justice and international law is on Serbia’s side.
So dream on about independent “Kosova”, oh and what does “Kosova” exactly mean in Albanian? I just hope your leaders make the ultimate mistake and declare unilateral independence, then we will see how prepared you are to run ahead of armed military, If I were you I would sleep with my tennis shoes on, just in case you need to run for the border, be prepared, just like you and your brethren have done before in two other great wars backed by two other powers at the time.
So you are definitely not an Albanian from Kosovo, if you were you would have know better then to say what you said, you better stay in New York, or where ever you are from it is safer, unfortunately we can see you failed to use the education resources available to you in what ever host country you are residing currently in.
Commonly when people (or countries) negotiate in good faith there is some modicum of progress. Why is there no progress with Albanians? There is a very simple answer. They do not negotiate. They simply demand full (unwarranted) independence. If the issues were so clear cut, there would be no need for any negotiations – there would have been some unilateral decision. However Albanians are (I have come to know this as a not very politically correct view, and I accept it) truly and deeply dishonest. Their ultimate goal is much greater than Kosovo’s “independence”, self-government, or any other euphemism. Their goals include greater chunks of Serbia, Montenegro, Macedonia and even Greece – that’s why present day negotiations are getting nowhere. This thought was reaffirmed by the Albanian responses to this and other similar articles. It is a uniform Albanian stand that Serbians must be subjugated to them at all cost and the boundaries of their intents are largely unclear, simply because they want to leave enough “negotiating room” for Presevo, Medvedja, Ivangrad, Tetovo and other portions of present day Serbia, Montenegro, Greece and Macedonia. Having arrived at this conclusion (with the help of Albanian clarity in their stubborn, stupid, adamant and unacceptable views) – I arrived at the thought that only a strong military engagement would be the appropriate answer. This stage of negotiations would be best described by yet another one of Shakespeare’s characters:
“To Ireland, I; our separated fortune
Shall keep us both the safer: where we are,
There's daggers in men's smiles: the near in blood,
The nearer bloody.”
Hence the Fifth Crusade is close at hand.
Of course Albanians are always prepared to fight women and children or attack churches but as heroic as they are I think they wouldn't last two weeks agains a troop of girl scouts armed with spoons and nothing else. Considering that "Albanian negotiations" were just a pretense, let's get it over and done with. Not once has there been any honest attempt from any one single Albanian source to address the problems of Serbians under their thumb - while Serbia has demonstrated for decades that it was (and is) willing to allow a high degree of autonomy, grant education, medical and social care to Albanians in their language respecting their rights, etc. etc. - not one single trait like that from the Albanian side - that, in and of itself is a reason to wipe them out - "prepared"? They are always prepared to attack nuns and children - we saw plenty of that, but their acts of March 14 - 17, 2004 show us their true intents.
Would there be a truly heroic Albanian that never signs his posts? How is it that such heros, who are so brave (when it comes to killing nuns, women and children) don't even have the courage to sign their posts? Is this the extent of Albanian courage that will scare somebody? Sleep with your running shoes is a good suggestion. Here is some more Shakespeare for the brave Albanians:
DUNCAN
Dismay'd not this
Our captains, Macbeth and Banquo (Serbians of course)?
Sergeant
Yes;
As sparrows eagles, or the hare the lion.
If I say sooth, I must report they were
As cannons overcharged with double cracks, so they
Doubly redoubled strokes upon the foe:
Except they meant to bathe in reeking wounds,
Or memorise another Golgotha,
I cannot tell.
Not that I am the world's best speller - I am not, but the extent of Albanian hate, stupidity and gross inadequacy is too obvious to ignore. Decades of considerable autonomy was not enough, only since they want to subjugate the Serbians and all others. It is well known that the most killed Albanians died from the benevolent UCK - that's a rare quality to have - to kill your own.
Hi all! I just by chance read the above article. about inability of Kosova Albanians to have and run their own country. I was surprised that nobody listens, since Serbs have 200 years saying the same thing. There is no doubt Serbs know to run efficiently the state and economy matters. Take a look at" CIA factbook" on the internet and you see that , the incomes of a well run Serbian state are around $4000 annually , compared to badly run ALBANIAN state affairs, which are around $7000. Some of it goes unreported since a lot of busines is done out of banking sistem , because as we mentioned the Albanians don't know how to run the state. I support senator Mantica. He is brilliant. As you can tell from my name I live in America and happen to know Italians. Peacefull people. They have not exported a single criminal in Amerika. Some of thier names in american crime history are an aberration. We all agree that JOHN GOTTI.,GENOVESE FAMILY. LUCIANO. AL CAPONE WERE NOT ITALIANS. We never seen Italian state overrun by criminals, who kill judges. prime ministers,presidents. This has never happened. Italian state is very stable( forget about 50 goverments in 40 years)
In spoken American language ,it is hard to tell the difference between ,Italian and criminel or mafia as they call it here. Serbs are not criminals eather. I don't know why Hage tribunal is looking to question half of their nation. They never killed anybody in the BALLKANS. Those 300000 killed recently were not good people anyway, so they don't count. Italians never left their country in search for economic advancement.I don't know how 80 milion Italians ended up in North and South America, all over Europe, Australia or South AFRICA, Europian union never gave them devellopement funds. I SEE THE GUY IN THE PICTURE.For ONE THING i AM SURE .He needs thicker glass for his glasses.Thank you. ALL THE BEST. Jimmy.
To Mr. Iliya Pavlovich and some others:
How do you find the article "Bush Right on Kosovo Independence"? You don't like it, of course, because it is so blunt and crystal clear. You like to fish in muddy waters and look to Russia. "The Slavs of the South," wrote Edith Durham, "look to the West when the days are sunny. When they are rainy, they look to the big brother, Russia, for help" That is what you did and this is what you are doing.
Does any Albanian ever show his name, anywhere, or is it always that they are in hiding? This tells me what wonderful persons they are (honest, brave, straightforward) - not to mention truth-loving.
And Yuri Gagarin, I suppose that is your real name?
OK, let's say you get the Greater Albania, the dream of every Albanian. Enjoy it while you can, because it won't last!! A simple spiritual law; you cannot take that which isn't yours and expect to keep it! We'll see how the UCK
cowards run w/out the Americans behind them. You've created a massive wave of hatred (your own) and it will come crashing down upon you! Sleep well!!
More good news:
Russia rejects UN plan on Kosovo
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/16B38E27-2B94-431E-88AC-B336BBC575F0.htm
There should be an all out effort to stop the Nazi Albanian formation to take root on European soil. It is not completely out of the question to engage these criminals militarily - I can't think of the many Nazis that would come to aid the Albanian Nazis - providing a nice Gulf of Tonkin theatrical set is designed. Albanians are naturaly prone to violence and can't help from terrorizing women and children - so insert some rubber made women and children dressed in Serbian clothing, followed by a film crew, allow the brainless Albanians to act, and unleash an all out artilery attack. Shouldn't be too hard to organize. I know many Serbians who would volunteer just to get rid of these criminals. Even their own country doesn't want them - why else would they be in Serbia? Their greed will ultimately be their doom. Dimitar thank you for post 65, there is nothing but truth in it - simple but inescapable truth. Yes, I do post my name each and every time, but the Albanian "contributors" (just a nice name for LIARS) do not. I wonder how many of these names belong to the already discredited Pellumbi Velo?
MORE ABOUT KOSOVO
In the Kingdom of Yugoslavia, in Kosovo lived about 450,000 Serbs, and 580.000 Albanians, Roma, Turks, Ashkenazi and somme Croats. In the cities of Pristina and Pec, there was Serbian majority. Being beleiving and practicing Moslems, Albanians respected Christian faith and values, orthodox churches and medevial monasteries. Local Albanian family was custodian og the Decani church for 200 years.
As Germany attaced Yugoslavia, Serbs took refuge from Albanian Balist horde to save their lives.
After the ''liberation" by Tito-Communists, a red bigwig Veljko Vlahovic offered Kosovo to Enver Xoxha, Albanian dictator for his joining Albanian-Jugoslav Federation with Josip Broz Tito as Tzar. Negotiation was interrupted after the ideological brake Xoxha-Moscow.
A.D. 1945 communist minister Vlado Zecevic, par de'cret de moufti, prohibited Serbian refugees to return home.
In SFR Jugoslavia, Kosovo Albanians have been given projects, schools, university, hospitals, preferences by employment. During the ten years of socialist regime, thay had not to pay for current, heating, rent, they payed zero tax. Failed assets billions of dollars!
Why were the sons of good guys Albanians rebels, killers of civilians,
incendiaries? Because they are not beleiving Moslems, the are children of the Communist Party of Jugoslavia.
As to the Albanian culture, it was discovered by Ms Vannesa Redgrave. Pristina was still in smoke in aftermath of air-raids, she appeared "to admire the great Albanian Culture".
Cute red Redgrave.
Ljubinko Jovicic
E-mail jovihaljubinko@yahoo.com
Mr. Jovicic is being too kind to Albanians. It is not such a happenstance that the crimes and Islam both took over at about the same time. Exactly in full accordance with the Quran, the Muslims are instructed to keep "a low profile" while their numbers are in the minority. Once Muslims gain even the smallest majority - it is only at that point that the Quran clearly states that they should collect additinal taxes from the kafiri (infidels), convert them or kill them - and of course this the the will of Alah. As a Christian I have not yet met any other Christian who knows the minds inner workings of God - but there is no such shyness in Islam - they know full well what Alah thinks and feels.
To get back to your excellent overview of the slow but steady Muslim conquest of Kosovo, it took place, exactly as directed by the Quran. As they gained majority they started opressing all others (Jews, Christians, Roma, etc.). Perfectly in keeping with the teachings practiced among their masters (the Turks) from whence they were sprung onto Europe.
A couple of things worth mentioning . . .
Who in the right mind can expect Kosovo to be handed over to Serbia after what took place in the war of 1999? We all saw that - It was real for all of us. I was there myself - I know what I saw and I don't wish it on my worst enemy. Lot of people died for no reason other than being of Albanian ethnicity. So, when you say that Kosovo should remain part of Serbia, you are also saying that those 2 million Albanians don't deserve to be free of terror. What have they done so wrong to deserve that? They are born in Kosovo - That is their home - It belongs to them and not to a bunch of long dead Serbian kings or I guess I should say Serbian Butchers. The Albanians are not asking you or anyone else to do anything for them. They just wish to live, work, and rear their families in an environment free of terror - kind of they way you and I live. What's wrong with that? The Serbs had them under their rule since WWII. I'm not impressed with the results and neither is the rest of the free world. Thank almighty God for that.
* Since the war ended, the Albanians have worked hard to achieve every goal set by the international community. They go about their business and their daily lives and have never interfered with anything or anybody in the region. They are fully democratic with an already established rule of law in place. They have plenty of resources to maintain thier integrety and sovreignity. I say good luck to them and God Speed!!!
My question is this - What the hell is your problem?
A suggestion - Next time there's a war going on anywhere in the world, please go a see for yourself before you sit on your ass and make unwise comments like the ones listed above. You are dealing with people's lives here and you don't have the decency to take the situation seriously. I would think before I speak. The steaks are way too high - people are important even if it meant that they are Albanian.
#70 john mason
I bet you were there…and only seen what you wanted to see…
US and NATO forces are used to protect the Osama Bin Laden Mosque in Kosovo while Churches are being burned by Muslim Terrorists
This is the war that Bill Clinton lied to get us into. Not only did he lie but he had our forces bomb the wrong side.
"While under the watchful eye of NATO’s Kosovo Forces since 1999, more than 150 Serbian Orthodox churches and monasteries have been destroyed or desecrated and dozens of new mosques have been built — including the Osama bin Laden mosque(pictured below) that now stands on Serbian soil. Is this why peacekeepers are in Kosovo? To protect mosques named after the prime terrorist who has vowed to destroy our country?"
They are burning the churches and building mosques
(KLA) spray-painted on a church, an Albanian Muslim in Kosovo snaps a photo of his fellow tribesman urinating on a burned-out remnant of this formerly Christian land. These are our murderous “allies”, whose terrorism we will reward in the coming weeks and months with independence — which they will unilaterally declare in any case, along with war against NATO, UN and the EU if necessary.
Devich Monastery, burned down
Church of the Holy Mother of Lyevish, burned down bell tower
Devich Monastery, tombs desecrated
Dormitories of the Monastery of the Sacred Archangel Michael,
looted, destroyed and burned.
Saint George Church, Runovica, 16th c,inside
Serbian Christians being ethnically cleansed from their burning homes
Before
After
The Holy Trinity Monastery near Musutiste. Built in the 14th century, it was looted, burned and soon afterwards blown up, July 1999. That was one month after NATO (KFOR) took over Kosovo. There have been no arrests.
St. Elias Church in Smac, near Prizren in Kosovo. Built in 1996, it was damaged by explosives and then vandalized in July 1999. Since these pictures were taken, it has been razed; rubble remains.
St. Mark's Monastery in Korisa (near Prizren). Built in 1467. Vandalized and demolished by explosives, July 1999. It is not safe for Serbian people to visit the site.
The Presentation of the Virgin church in Dolac. Built in 1620. Vandalized and set on fire, July 1999. The altar table was smashed. At the end of August 1999 the church was completely demolished.
The Presentation of the Virgin parish church in Bijelo Polje
near Pec in Kosovo. Built in the 16th century. Reconstructed in the 19th century. Looted and set on fire shortly after NATO and the UN took over Kosovo, June 1999.
The Parish Church of the Apostles Peter and Paul in Suva Reka. Built in 1938. Vandalized and later blown up by the KLA, July 1999.
Altar area of the 16th century Church of St. Nicholas, which was looted, vandalized and seriously damaged by explosives.The initials carved into the picture are 'UCK'. That's Albanian for 'KLA', the Kosovo Liberation Army,(which if funded by Al Qaeda) which NATO and the UN have installed in power.
What We're Fighting For in Kosovo:
Monday, May 3, 1999 "KLA finances fight with heroin sales - Terror group linked to crime network"
Tuesday, May 4, 1999 "KLA rebels train in terrorist camps - Bin Laden offers financing, too"
Clinton's Kosovo Whopper
http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/ckincaid/2006/ck_0928p.shtml
"Of all the whoppers told by former President Clinton in his Chris Wallace interview, perhaps the most outrageous was his claim that he was involved in "trying to stop a genocide in Kosovo..." In fact, Clinton's bombing of the former Yugoslavia killed more people than died in this "genocide." And his policy benefited Osama bin Laden and the global Jihad."
"The main beneficiary of the intervention was a Muslim terrorist group, the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), with links to bin Laden, who had declared war on America in 1996, bombed our embassies in Africa in 1998, and would later, of course, orchestrate 9/11."
"CIA official Michael Scheuer says that the Clinton Administration "had eight to ten chances" to kill bin Laden and "they refused to try," he is making a statement that goes far beyond acknowledging Clinton Administration incompetence or a lack of will."
"The fact is that Clinton had a pro-Muslim foreign policy that actually benefited bin Laden and facilitated 9/11."
"CIA Director George Tenet, who on February 2, 1999, gave testimony referring to the Serb "massacre at Raçak," which provided the pretext for NATO intervention against Serbia but which turned out to be a hoax."
"Tenet was, of course, kept on by President Bush. Not only were Tenet's fingerprints all over the failed and deceptive policy in Kosovo, he told Bush that finding weapons of mass destruction in Iraq was a slam dunk."
"Al-Jazeera celebrated the fifth anniversary of 9/11 by airing several al-Qaeda videos, one of which showed two of the 9/11 hijackers saying their actions were designed to avenge the suffering of Muslims in Bosnia and Chechnya."
"Nothing demonstrates the bankruptcy of the Clinton policy more than that. Not only did Clinton order the CIA to help the KLA in Kosovo, he approved Iranian arms shipments to the Bosnian Muslims, in order to help them establish a Muslim state in Bosnia."
"The Clinton policy of supporting the same extremist Muslim forces in Europe that subsequently attacked us on 9/11 is far more controversial than the policy of regime change in Iraq, which was officially a policy of Clinton, Bush and the Congress. Kosovo was never a threat to the U.S., and Serbia didn't even pretend to have weapons of mass destruction."
"At least in Iraq, despite some questionable intelligence, the cause is just. The U.S. removed a dictator and is fighting for democracy and against the terrorists. Such a policy may in the short term provoke a strong anti-American reaction, as Al-Jazeera rallies the foreign fighters to Iraq to kill Americans, but it is vastly preferable to the Clinton policy of helping Muslim radicals come to power in places like Bosnia or Kosovo."
"There is no coverage of the anti-Christian Jihad underway in Kosovo. But seven years after the illegal Kosovo intervention, the September 15 Washington Post reports on a new World Bank study on fragile or failing states that "can breed terrorism." One of them is listed as Kosovo. Terrorism is thriving there, of course, because it was Clinton's official policy to support the terrorist KLA and remove Kosovo from Serbian control."
Madeline Albright "Of all that we accomplished during my time in office, I'm proudest of what we did in Kosovo because we stopped the killing, and people are back in Kosovo living a free life."
"A free life when Christian Serbs are fleeing and their homes and churches in Kosovo are being destroyed? Albright's outrageous comments provide the answer in stark terms to the question: Whose side was the Clinton Administration on in the clash of civilizations between Islam and the West? All of the "missed opportunities" to kill bin Laden, and the interventions on behalf of Muslims in Bosnia and Kosovo, didn't give us anything but more anti-American attacks, more terrorism, and finally, 9/11."
U.S. On The Wrong Side In Kosovo
http://www.thebulletin.us/site/news.cfm?newsid=18289122&BRD=2737&PAG=461...
Your Tax Dollars at Work: State Dept. Sponsors Top Kosovo Muslim to tell American Muslims: Pray for Kosovo Independence…and spread Islam.
http://www.juliagorin.com/wordpress/?p=797
The burning of churches raises questions about independence.
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/krnjevicmiskovic200403190842.asp
"A pogrom started in Europe this week, with one U.N. official being quoted as saying, "Kristallnacht is under way in Kosovo." Serbs are being murdered and their 800-year-old churches are aflame. Much of the Christian heritage in Kosovo and Metohija is on fire and could be lost forever. By these deeds too many of Kosovo's Albanians have shown that their rhetoric about "democracy" and "multiethnicity" is false, and demonstrates also that the international community's acceptance of them has been naïve."
"Senator Sam Brownback (R., Kan.), after having met Bishop Artemije of Kosovo
http://www.savekosovo.org/documents/LetterformVlArtemijeEN.pdf
several weeks ago in Washington, wrote a letter to President Bush in which he concluded, "We should not consider advancing the cause of independence of a people whose first act when liberated was to ethnically cleanse a quarter of a million of their fellow citizens and destroy over a hundred of their holy sites."
Islamic Terror in Kosovo Failure to see jihad for what it is
http://www.savekosovo.org/default.asp?p=4
http://www.bigpicweblog.com/exp/index.php/weblog/comments/islamofascists...
What GIs need to know about Kosovo
http://www.serbianna.com/columns/jatras/005.shtml
http://www.savekosovo.org/default.asp
http://www.serbianna.com/
Richard C. Holbrooke, former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, on the left, joking around with weapons smuggler Florin Krasniqi and Wesley Clark at a John Kerry fundraiser.
Florin Krasniqi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florin_Krasniqi
Clintons stooge who almost started world war 3 on two occasions
http://www.redstate.com/blogs/demophilus/2007/apr/17/starting_world_war_...
The Grdelica Passenger Train Bombing
Are Wesley Clark and Bill Clinton War Criminals?
http://www.serbianna.com/columns/savich/088.shtml
I wonder why we never here anything in the American Press about the Kosovo Pro-Jihadist war escapades of the Bill Clinton Administration. I also wonder why we only hear talk about George Bush ,Dick Cheney, and Donald Rumsfeld being potential war criminals yet the so-called peace lovers give a free pass to the real war criminals like Wesley Clark and his master Bill Clinton. Why is the current administration continuing this dreadful policy started with a lie by Bill Clinton.
"After Sept. 11, President Bush told the American people that we would do whatever it takes to defend our country against the Islamic terrorists, yet we denied the Serbs the right to fight the same enemy that we are fighting today."
"Am I cynical? You bet. Through our flawed foreign policies in the Balkans, we destroyed a Christian people, our ally of two world wars, in order to appease the Muslim world, a world that cannot be appeased. Sept. 11 is a case in point."
We bombed the wrong side?
Maj-Gen. Lewis MacKenzie, now retired, commanded UN troops during the Bosnian civil war of 1992.
http://www.mfa.gov.yu/FDP/np_060404_e.html
Bill Clintons grand lie for war in Kosovo
http://www.redstate.com/blogs/demophilus/2007/apr/15/bush_didnt_lie_abou...
"If Senator Kennedy wants to talk about fraud [in relation to the Bush administration's invasion of Iraq], he ought to talk..... about what he and President Clinton told us in 1999 when they told us to bomb innocent Serbs, we'd find 100 thousand mass graves. Those mass graves were never found. They lied to the America people to justify the aerial bombardment campaign."
Congressman Curt Weldon (R) Pennsylvania on 'Hardball with Chris Matthews'
Press Reports On False Claims Of Genocide By Serbs In Kosovo
http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpWESSEX/Documents/Kosovofalsehoods.htm
US Evangelists Join "Campaign To Keep Kosovo Within Serbia"
"Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, outspoken and influential televangelists in the US, are joining forces with Serbia's Christian Orthodox church to campaign against independence for the mainly Muslim province of Kosovo."
http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles6/DinmoreKosovo.php
Eradication of an ancient culture...
The Destruction of the Churches of Kosovo
http://emperors-clothes.com/churchpics/list.htm
I think a visit to Kosovo would open your eyes a bit. They have done more since the war ended than all of the years combined during the Serbian rule there. Just compare the progress made in Kosovo to that in Serbia. The Albanians have proven time and again that they are worthy of self rule and they deserve no less. I for one feel honored to have had the opportunity to serve there in uniform and from my experience, there is only one problem in the Balkans - the Serbs. Let us not forget the mass killing that they did on their own citizens. Lets not let it happen again folks. We know better than that.
Congrats Kosovo on your Independence from Serbia. May God Bless your people and all those who want to be free! Good Luck!
Maj Nic B. - Operation Allied Force
US and NATO forces are used to protect the Osama Bin Laden Mosque in Kosovo while Churches are being burned by Muslim Terrorists
This is the war that Bill Clinton lied to get us into. Not only did he lie but he had our forces bomb the wrong side.
"While under the watchful eye of NATO’s Kosovo Forces since 1999, more than 150 Serbian Orthodox churches and monasteries have been destroyed or desecrated and dozens of new mosques have been built — including the Osama bin Laden mosque(pictured below) that now stands on Serbian soil. Is this why peacekeepers are in Kosovo? To protect mosques named after the prime terrorist who has vowed to destroy our country?"
They are burning the churches and building mosques
(KLA) spray-painted on a church, an Albanian Muslim in Kosovo snaps a photo of his fellow tribesman urinating on a burned-out remnant of this formerly Christian land. These are our murderous “allies”, whose terrorism we will reward in the coming weeks and months with independence — which they will unilaterally declare in any case, along with war against NATO, UN and the EU if necessary.
Devich Monastery, burned down
Church of the Holy Mother of Lyevish, burned down bell tower
Devich Monastery, tombs desecrated
Dormitories of the Monastery of the Sacred Archangel Michael,
looted, destroyed and burned.
Saint George Church, Runovica, 16th c,inside
Serbian Christians being ethnically cleansed from their burning homes
Before
After
The Holy Trinity Monastery near Musutiste. Built in the 14th century, it was looted, burned and soon afterwards blown up, July 1999. That was one month after NATO (KFOR) took over Kosovo. There have been no arrests.
St. Elias Church in Smac, near Prizren in Kosovo. Built in 1996, it was damaged by explosives and then vandalized in July 1999. Since these pictures were taken, it has been razed; rubble remains.
St. Mark's Monastery in Korisa (near Prizren). Built in 1467. Vandalized and demolished by explosives, July 1999. It is not safe for Serbian people to visit the site.
The Presentation of the Virgin church in Dolac. Built in 1620. Vandalized and set on fire, July 1999. The altar table was smashed. At the end of August 1999 the church was completely demolished.
The Presentation of the Virgin parish church in Bijelo Polje
near Pec in Kosovo. Built in the 16th century. Reconstructed in the 19th century. Looted and set on fire shortly after NATO and the UN took over Kosovo, June 1999.
The Parish Church of the Apostles Peter and Paul in Suva Reka. Built in 1938. Vandalized and later blown up by the KLA, July 1999.
Altar area of the 16th century Church of St. Nicholas, which was looted, vandalized and seriously damaged by explosives.The initials carved into the picture are 'UCK'. That's Albanian for 'KLA', the Kosovo Liberation Army,(which if funded by Al Qaeda) which NATO and the UN have installed in power.
What We're Fighting For in Kosovo:
Monday, May 3, 1999 "KLA finances fight with heroin sales - Terror group linked to crime network"
Tuesday, May 4, 1999 "KLA rebels train in terrorist camps - Bin Laden offers financing, too"
Clinton's Kosovo Whopper
http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/ckincaid/2006/ck_0928p.shtml
"Of all the whoppers told by former President Clinton in his Chris Wallace interview, perhaps the most outrageous was his claim that he was involved in "trying to stop a genocide in Kosovo..." In fact, Clinton's bombing of the former Yugoslavia killed more people than died in this "genocide." And his policy benefited Osama bin Laden and the global Jihad."
"The main beneficiary of the intervention was a Muslim terrorist group, the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), with links to bin Laden, who had declared war on America in 1996, bombed our embassies in Africa in 1998, and would later, of course, orchestrate 9/11."
"CIA official Michael Scheuer says that the Clinton Administration "had eight to ten chances" to kill bin Laden and "they refused to try," he is making a statement that goes far beyond acknowledging Clinton Administration incompetence or a lack of will."
"The fact is that Clinton had a pro-Muslim foreign policy that actually benefited bin Laden and facilitated 9/11."
"CIA Director George Tenet, who on February 2, 1999, gave testimony referring to the Serb "massacre at Raçak," which provided the pretext for NATO intervention against Serbia but which turned out to be a hoax."
"Tenet was, of course, kept on by President Bush. Not only were Tenet's fingerprints all over the failed and deceptive policy in Kosovo, he told Bush that finding weapons of mass destruction in Iraq was a slam dunk."
"Al-Jazeera celebrated the fifth anniversary of 9/11 by airing several al-Qaeda videos, one of which showed two of the 9/11 hijackers saying their actions were designed to avenge the suffering of Muslims in Bosnia and Chechnya."
"Nothing demonstrates the bankruptcy of the Clinton policy more than that. Not only did Clinton order the CIA to help the KLA in Kosovo, he approved Iranian arms shipments to the Bosnian Muslims, in order to help them establish a Muslim state in Bosnia."
"The Clinton policy of supporting the same extremist Muslim forces in Europe that subsequently attacked us on 9/11 is far more controversial than the policy of regime change in Iraq, which was officially a policy of Clinton, Bush and the Congress. Kosovo was never a threat to the U.S., and Serbia didn't even pretend to have weapons of mass destruction."
"At least in Iraq, despite some questionable intelligence, the cause is just. The U.S. removed a dictator and is fighting for democracy and against the terrorists. Such a policy may in the short term provoke a strong anti-American reaction, as Al-Jazeera rallies the foreign fighters to Iraq to kill Americans, but it is vastly preferable to the Clinton policy of helping Muslim radicals come to power in places like Bosnia or Kosovo."
"There is no coverage of the anti-Christian Jihad underway in Kosovo. But seven years after the illegal Kosovo intervention, the September 15 Washington Post reports on a new World Bank study on fragile or failing states that "can breed terrorism." One of them is listed as Kosovo. Terrorism is thriving there, of course, because it was Clinton's official policy to support the terrorist KLA and remove Kosovo from Serbian control."
Madeline Albright "Of all that we accomplished during my time in office, I'm proudest of what we did in Kosovo because we stopped the killing, and people are back in Kosovo living a free life."
"A free life when Christian Serbs are fleeing and their homes and churches in Kosovo are being destroyed? Albright's outrageous comments provide the answer in stark terms to the question: Whose side was the Clinton Administration on in the clash of civilizations between Islam and the West? All of the "missed opportunities" to kill bin Laden, and the interventions on behalf of Muslims in Bosnia and Kosovo, didn't give us anything but more anti-American attacks, more terrorism, and finally, 9/11."
U.S. On The Wrong Side In Kosovo
http://www.thebulletin.us/site/news.cfm?newsid=18289122&BRD=2737&PAG=461...
Your Tax Dollars at Work: State Dept. Sponsors Top Kosovo Muslim to tell American Muslims: Pray for Kosovo Independence…and spread Islam.
http://www.juliagorin.com/wordpress/?p=797
The burning of churches raises questions about independence.
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/krnjevicmiskovic200403190842.asp
"A pogrom started in Europe this week, with one U.N. official being quoted as saying, "Kristallnacht is under way in Kosovo." Serbs are being murdered and their 800-year-old churches are aflame. Much of the Christian heritage in Kosovo and Metohija is on fire and could be lost forever. By these deeds too many of Kosovo's Albanians have shown that their rhetoric about "democracy" and "multiethnicity" is false, and demonstrates also that the international community's acceptance of them has been naïve."
"Senator Sam Brownback (R., Kan.), after having met Bishop Artemije of Kosovo
http://www.savekosovo.org/documents/LetterformVlArtemijeEN.pdf
several weeks ago in Washington, wrote a letter to President Bush in which he concluded, "We should not consider advancing the cause of independence of a people whose first act when liberated was to ethnically cleanse a quarter of a million of their fellow citizens and destroy over a hundred of their holy sites."
Islamic Terror in Kosovo Failure to see jihad for what it is
http://www.savekosovo.org/default.asp?p=4
http://www.bigpicweblog.com/exp/index.php/weblog/comments/islamofascists...
What GIs need to know about Kosovo
http://www.serbianna.com/columns/jatras/005.shtml
http://www.savekosovo.org/default.asp
http://www.serbianna.com/
Richard C. Holbrooke, former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, on the left, joking around with weapons smuggler Florin Krasniqi and Wesley Clark at a John Kerry fundraiser.
Florin Krasniqi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florin_Krasniqi
Clintons stooge who almost started world war 3 on two occasions
http://www.redstate.com/blogs/demophilus/2007/apr/17/starting_world_war_...
The Grdelica Passenger Train Bombing
Are Wesley Clark and Bill Clinton War Criminals?
http://www.serbianna.com/columns/savich/088.shtml
I wonder why we never here anything in the American Press about the Kosovo Pro-Jihadist war escapades of the Bill Clinton Administration. I also wonder why we only hear talk about George Bush ,Dick Cheney, and Donald Rumsfeld being potential war criminals yet the so-called peace lovers give a free pass to the real war criminals like Wesley Clark and his master Bill Clinton. Why is the current administration continuing this dreadful policy started with a lie by Bill Clinton.
"After Sept. 11, President Bush told the American people that we would do whatever it takes to defend our country against the Islamic terrorists, yet we denied the Serbs the right to fight the same enemy that we are fighting today."
"Am I cynical? You bet. Through our flawed foreign policies in the Balkans, we destroyed a Christian people, our ally of two world wars, in order to appease the Muslim world, a world that cannot be appeased. Sept. 11 is a case in point."
We bombed the wrong side?
Maj-Gen. Lewis MacKenzie, now retired, commanded UN troops during the Bosnian civil war of 1992.
http://www.mfa.gov.yu/FDP/np_060404_e.html
Bill Clintons grand lie for war in Kosovo
http://www.redstate.com/blogs/demophilus/2007/apr/15/bush_didnt_lie_abou...
"If Senator Kennedy wants to talk about fraud [in relation to the Bush administration's invasion of Iraq], he ought to talk..... about what he and President Clinton told us in 1999 when they told us to bomb innocent Serbs, we'd find 100 thousand mass graves. Those mass graves were never found. They lied to the America people to justify the aerial bombardment campaign."
Congressman Curt Weldon (R) Pennsylvania on 'Hardball with Chris Matthews'
Press Reports On False Claims Of Genocide By Serbs In Kosovo
http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpWESSEX/Documents/Kosovofalsehoods.htm
US Evangelists Join "Campaign To Keep Kosovo Within Serbia"
"Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, outspoken and influential televangelists in the US, are joining forces with Serbia's Christian Orthodox church to campaign against independence for the mainly Muslim province of Kosovo."
http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles6/DinmoreKosovo.php
Eradication of an ancient culture...
The Destruction of the Churches of Kosovo
http://emperors-clothes.com/churchpics/list.htm
Yeah "Major" Nic!
I want to be free too. Free from foreign armies. Maybe you will tell us something about operation "Iraqi freedom" and the will of Iraqi people to be free.
Talking about progress of Kosovo.... More than 2 billion euro is put by the west (international community) in Kosovo every year and guess what? The only progress that is made there is in corruption and nothing else. BTW We don't live on Mars and wait for someone to tell us how is on Kosovo.
Anyway I don't believe you that you are army person. Your post is to blunt for someone to believe you.
Russia is standing strong in UNSC, no resolution will pass there.
Germany is changing its position and renouncing independence.
See in German: http://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/;art771,2343047
http://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/;art771,2342904
By all chances, Serbia will have Russian troops and balistic missiles by the end of this year on its territory.
Congratulations to Shqipetars on independence are premature.
"Proofs" in the terms "been there, done that", "Serbs did it wrong", "Albanians freedom lovers" etc., are pathetic and ridicoulous. The world don't trust U.S. anymore - the world is laughing at U.S. words, knowing they are lies, that's what clever know even in the U.S. See: http://www.nationalinterest.org/Article.aspx?id=14148
It would be best Albanians and Serbs reach the agreement on authonomy. Best for Albanians and Serbs, provided Russia and EU (without GB) manage to secute "the soft landing" of declining U.S. superpower. If they fail, heck, it doesn't matter anyway.
Re:
"Who in the right mind can expect Kosovo to be handed over to Serbia after what took place in the war of 1999? We all saw that - It was real for all of us. I was there myself - I know what I saw and I don’t wish it on my worst enemy. Lot of people died for no reason other than being of Albanian ethnicity. So, when you say that Kosovo should remain part of Serbia, you are also saying that those 2 million Albanians don’t deserve to be free of terror. What have they done so wrong to deserve that? They are born in Kosovo - That is their home - It belongs to them and not to a bunch of long dead Serbian kings or I guess I should say Serbian Butchers. The Albanians are not asking you or anyone else to do anything for them. They just wish to live, work, and rear their families in an environment free of terror - kind of they way you and I live. What’s wrong with that? The Serbs had them under their rule since WWII. I’m not impressed with the results and neither is the rest of the free world. Thank almighty God for that."
****
The above quoted is garbage.
Kosovo has been part of Serbia since 1912. It was also part of ancient Serbia. Kosovo was never part of Albania, or an independent entity unto itself. The Albanian majority now evident in Kosovo is the result of illegal immigration, terrorism against non-Albanians and the high birth rate of Albanians.
Turkey and Iraq haven't lost Kurdistan because of the persecution those two inflicted on the Kurds. Far worse than what the Serbs could ever be legitimately accused of vis-a-vis the Albanians, who have a lengthy past and present of ultra-nationalist violence against Serbs and others. Present day Serbia is more democratic than Turkey and Iraq.
Pridnestrovie (Trans-Dniester) and not Kosovo is the true "special case" for independence.
Under a peaceful format, the Kosovo Albanians are being offered great self rule as a part of Serbia. Rewarding Albanian nationalist terrorism isn't the way to move in a positively forward direction.
Fortunately for many of us - there are no laws against being stupid. I don't have a pronounced urge to mince my words, but there is a very noticeable stupidity in the prior post number 70 from “John Mason” – if there ever is such a person. If this sentence was watered down, the original author would think it was only a slight error, but in truth, these are massive errors that require either a lobotomy of the author or a quite thorough (re)education – providing they had any prior education – which seems doubtful based on their write-up.
I have a “small” problem with:
Lot of people died for no reason other than being of Albanian ethnicity. Not only is this patently untrue, but other than a part of the U.S. Armed Forces being brain-washed by their commanders, it, further shows an advanced level of blindness/stupidity or bias.
1. If that is true, how did the Albanian population escalate from 400 thousand to two million, while Serbian population went from 500 thousand to 400 thousand in the same time. Where in the name of Christ do you get your idiotic knowledge and irresponsibility to post it on a public forum like this? Just to give you a broad stroke comparison, your statement would add up to Osama Bin Laden being one of the most prominent American patriots fighting for American values the world over. Sorry, but I hate idiots, and your post was totally and unapologetically idiotic. Read on, and if you decide to commit suicide – it won’t help. Even suicide would not wash this dirt away from you and your future generations.
2. Those Albanians that you saw die, are you absolutely certain beyond any doubt that the bullets were produced, fired and inscribed with letters “bloodthirsty Serbians”?
3. By accident I found the following which you might want to consider as a theoretical possibility:
1997: Jan. 13: Shooting Fazil Hasani, an ethnic Albanian forest worker from the
village of Brabonic (Srbica municipality) in the neck, KLA
terrorists killed him and issued a statement denouncing
Mr. Hasani as a "traitor".
Jan. 16: Using remote-controlled explosives, the KLA attempted to assassinate the Dean of Pristina University, Mr. Papovic,
at 8 a.m. as he was driving to the University. Both he and
his driver Nikola Lalic were heavily wounded. The explosives
were set off when their car was some 50 meters from Dean Papovic's apartment in Pristina.
Jan. 17: In the village of Reketnica (Srbica municipality), at 1 a.m., ethnic Albanian Zen Durmisi (52) was shot and killed and his son Nazmi Durmisi was heavily wounded. The Durmisi family was labeled "pro-Yugoslav" by the terrorist KLA.
4. How long since the Albanians have abandoned blood feud (besa) and stopped killing their own?
5. What of all those non-compliant Albanians that were killed by KLA – documented
6. A certain Russell Gordon claims
“Kosovo Albanians have committed armed robberies in France with automatic weapons and RPG’s, and have overtaken the Sicilian Mafia in Italy, largely due to their ruthlessness, and closed society. Their criminal rackets stretch into London and throughout the US. Their money has bought off US senators and congressmen; their revisionist history and expansionist aims made official policy of the US Congress, and State Department. In Kosovo, their heroin labs are protected and heroin transported by units of the US military. During the Albanian insurgency of 1997-1999 (and through 2001 in Macedonia and Presevo), US Special Forces and British SAS armed, trained, and gave battlefield expertise to Albanian separatists waging brutal separatist campaigns in the region. During the war in Kosovo in 1999, the US military airlifted the Albanian UCK terrorists into some Serbian villages, where every civilian was slaughtered.”
Were you in that group by any chance so you vision may have been tainted a little bit? Did you, Mr. Mason, turn a nice profit while being deployed on account of the large heroin trade?
But there is also the ingenious contribution by “Major Nic”. What exact progress did you witness in Kosovo? I had two friends assigned to the DoD as translators and I’ll be willing to bet that their views of your “humanitarian presence” are somewhat less flattering. Feel free to give me your name and rank – I’ll ask. I do have an ongoing DoD relationship, and was nearly deployed to Iraq, myself. However I do have plenty of friends and colleagues who are on active duty and veterans of past engagements so that I can inquire about any “honorably discharged” officer during the last decade. My email is iliija@comcast.net – feel free to contact me without any fear of having to be debriefed again – you already got debriefed upon your return (SOP), so you’re exempt from any atrocities you may have participated in. As you can see, I have a nasty habit of upholding true American standards of liberty, justice, truth, pursuit of happiness and all that other “stuff” from the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution – you, as an officer of the Armed Forces, have an even greater obligation to come clean. I openly challenge your statements – and promise not inform your superiors as not endanger your sworn oath whereby the military personnel shall not engage in politics nor pass judgment on civilian affairs (at home and overseas).
I'll be willing to bet anything that both "Mason and Maj. B" are the same as Suleyman Schwartz, Pellumbi Velo and other Arnauts who are regular usurpers on this site. Fort Meade intelligence debriefing is quite thourgh and would not allow any such morons to neither serve nor to mention the service afterwards - let alone with a rank of a "major". Albanian dishonesty, lack of civility, constant lies, ongoing criminal activity speak volumes of the entire nation - which is why I accepted that the military action against these liars would be the only course of action. There has never, ever in the history of Albanians present in Kosovo (mainly imports from Albania) been one instance of truth escaping their lips.
To MICHAEL! How are you doing? I don't really know what you are trying to say? You eather have dinned in a lot of Serbian places, or never went to school. There is no such a thing as ancient Serbia. WHen you say ancient ,one means Before Christ. And at that time Serbia was in todays Mongolia , hunting with their rusian brothers.You sound to me as Romanian. At that time emperor Augustus was deporting en mass Roman prostitutes to what today is Romania(dacia then). The roman soldiers were refusing to go and fight because they were having good time in Rome. The cause was the great number of prostitutes ,because the male population was in very low numbers from long wars.The emperor came up with the great idea, deport prostitutes, the soulders will get bored.He did so. The last Roman prostitute ended up in Romania. That where the name comes from. In latin: male Roman is called ROMANO. Female Roman is called Romane,. Compare : romane -romanea. So you guys are product of of prostitutes. I am not making it up. It is a known historical fact. It is embarrasing ,and not mentioned a lot. So what one can expect from the son of the bitch. This is why your mothers language is roman. If you need sources I will be happy to provide them.Jimmy.
If MICHAEL is not Romanian I TAKE THE WHOLE THING BACK. It looked like I jumped the gun with the romanian thing, but I keep the ancient SERBIA IN PLACE.
If Serbia was in Mongolia there must be some evidence you have for such an accurate fact, while I on the other hand do have evidence of Vinca, Lepenski Vir and other Neolethic presence of people in the regions of today's Danube and Morava rivers for times before Jesus Christ (620 BC to 327BC). No wonder Ayatollah Rullah Khomeini waited for Carter to leave office and free the American prisoners only after Ronald Reagan took office January 20th 1981.
Again, I have a feeling that the Jimmy Carter is the same as Suleyman Schwarts, Pellumbi Vello, Emete, Izmet or other similar subhuman form of single cell organisms (parasitic amoeba)
I guess amoebas do not have email addresses nor any real names, but that's one thing they have in common with Albanians, and other Turkish subjects.
HIDING GENOCIDE IN KOSOVO
By Iseult Henry
At a time when the Western powers – foremost among them the United States – prepare what they hope will be an endgame for their predetermined solution to the Serbian question, now comes a searing ray of truth that cuts through the fog of lies in which Kosovo has been shrouded. The work of “Iseult Henry,” the pen name of a current member of the international mission in Kosovo, “Hiding Genocide in Kosovo: A Crime against God and Humanity” is not a typical book of the current events or international affairs genre. Nor is it a journalistic exposé. It is simply a book of stories, true stories of what has taken place in Kosovo since the end of the 1999 war: shooting, beheading, burning, bomb attack, maiming, rape, abduction, torture, desecration, theft, mutilation, and harassment. While Western policymakers (the U.S., EU, UN, NATO, OSCE, etc.) delude themselves that they are buying the goodwill of the Muslim world by the sacrifice of a small Christian community in Kosovo, the perpetrators know this is yet another step toward Islamic dominance of all Europe. This is a struggle for the soul and future not just for Kosovo, not just for Serbia, but for an entire continent.
“Hiding Genocide in Kosovo: A Crime against God and Humanity” will be sent to you with the contribution of any size to the ongoing work to the AMERICAN COUNCIL FOR KOSOVO, P.O. Box 14434, Washington, DC 20044 USA
http://www.savekosovo.org
Friday, 20 July 2007, 21:03 GMT
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6909127.stm
Serbian Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica said the decision to put on hold plans to push through Kosovo's independence at the UN was an important victory for Belgrade and Moscow.
Illia you are sicko really sicko together with your network of liers
get e klife you real hater
you belong to antiquety
No sweat,pals.
"Albanians"shuold live in an indepent state.At the moment,that is "Albania".
But,better to go to their motherland-turkey-.
Such a steady pattern of lies, deception and misdirection only reaffirms the prior suggestions that Albanians never had any true intent of "negotiating". This is just a phase (one of the many steps) they need to accomplish in order to get to Greater Albania - the posturing (and faking), while "negotiating" is just a public stint. I am firmly convinced that a military intervention is in order to save the portion of Serbia which remains a part of Serbia (today's Kosovo), but I would allow options for crossing over into Albania if there ever was such a legitimate need.
"Does any Albanian ever show his name, anywhere, or is it always that they are in hiding?," asks a person under the assumed name of Yuri Gagarin.
To identify yourself when dealing with another person means that you consider him or her your equal. Communicating openly and in good faith with a racist, a bigot or some other uncivilized person who has gone astray from God, also means that you are like him or her and everybody, who knows you, will identify you with them. No honest person would want this to happen.
What should be done in such cases? Either stop doing that or keep communicating with the above mentioned persons for the only purpose of bringing them back to the path of God without having others think that you are one of them. So, don't identify yourself, far from that, and keep sending them God's message. If they don't change their ways on earth, they'll have to repent, though too late, when in front of God.
Help those who have fallen and don't let them infect you or cast a shadow, however little, on your good name. Try not to identify yourself with them and still convey God's word to them. They may listen one day. If not, they know where they are heading.
Do what Mother Teresa, the Great Albanian, did in God's name but a little differently when dealing with thugs, liars, bigots and racists
What a juicy rationalization, completely divorced from any truth or honesty - a true image of uniquely Albanian perception.
I can't speak for others, but both Mr. Jovicic, Boba Borojevic and I, have even included our email addresses in our posts. Meanwhile the warped sense of logic dictates that it is more "honorable" to remain in hiding. Well done Mr. Amoeba Parasite. You couldn't be equal to my grandson's being burped after meals. People like you do manage to give us a true image of Albanian perception of values and qualities. Dishonesty, outright lies, misdirection, falsehoods, and other lack of character are your only characteristic.
Why don't you drag Mother Theresa into this (completely unrelated topic) - and try to justify killing of Serbian nuns, or church burnings? Better yet, why don't you fail to answer how is it that the Austrian Interpol division is dominated by 80% Albanians - see how much mother Theresa, Mohandas Gandhi, or George Washington can help your cause in those matters?
In a more balanced (honest) and NON-secretive world, people who speak the truth have nothing to fear. I have personaly had many dealings with the DoD and, knowing full well that I have not leaked, or otherwise betrayed any confidence or national interests of the United States - I challenged your Major Nic (was that you by any chance?) - who failed to respond in spite of his "pride" of having served in Kosovo.
Even when you lie, you do it badly - no wonder you can not speak any truth at any time - it would sound worse than your lies. Even in this, very modest forum, your thoughts have been completely defeated, dismantled and exposed for what they truly are: overt falsehoods, patent lies, total fabrications.
In a simplest appliction of elementary school arithmetics your views are present by about 8% to 10% - which gives about 90% to 92% of views that are sharply opposed to you (and mother Theresa).
Hi! What's up. I know the serbs well, since I live in Rusia. And I understand their plight. What I don't understand is how come the others continue to argue with indoctrinated people. All they know is that Serbs are the best ,chosen and christian. They don't have in their vocabulary words like, humanity ,peace or respect. They are born criminals. We know that, Europe knows that, so U.S.A. Third world countries like china and Rusia don't understand humanities. They live socially in middle ages, were people are slaughtered every single day. Kosova will be independent on coming November 28, in the morning.We will be drinking and dancing that day. But a lot of work remained to be done. A fashist nation made of dangereous criminals who want to join Rusia remained in Europe. Plans to send them back to RUSIA should be in place.Thank you. Josip Visarianovich STALIN
anoder from the Albanian piplz trayz a deferent name to eskepy the kurse of illiterate Albanian LIARS - how obviyos is this? If noting elsy, the righting stil is samey like nameless kowards albanians who kall moder teresa for help in their kowarice. How do ju laik my speling? Gud? Almost lik gud Albanian? tank ju.
Proof positive that there is genetic defect with Albanians.
To Mr. Iliya Pavlovich and some others:
How do you find the article “Bush Right on Kosovo Independence”? You don’t like it, of course, because it is so blunt and crystal clear. You like to fish in muddy waters and look to Russia. “The Slavs of the South,” wrote Edith Durham, “look to the West when the days are sunny. When they are rainy, they look to the big brother, Russia, for help” That is what you did and this is what you are doing.
Nicholas B.
I for one feel honored to have had the opportunity to serve there [Kosova] in uniform and from my experience, there is only one problem in the Balkans - the Serbs. Let us not forget the mass killing that they did on their own citizens.
Svetlana
This is a filthy place to comment
Illia you are sicko really sicko together with your network of liers
get e klife you real hater
you belong to antiquety
Your comments on the above, Mr. Iliya Pavlovic, if this is your real name?
I would give you an advice: Be more educated, less passionate, less vulgar amd less offensive.
Your vulgarity is indication of your cultural level. And your offensive language - evidence of your lack of arguments and intelectual poverty, if you are an intelectual, of course. If not, please tell us so that we stop wasting our time.
I do not think you will ever provide any counter-arguments as regards my article "Bush Right on Kosovo Independence". Vulgarity and insults are no arguments. You distinguish yourself for a sterile mind and volubility.
One of the reasons I answer you is to enjoy reading your racist aberrations and see how far a racist's mind can go in his hatred of other peoples. Keep writing because the more you write the more discredited you become and the more we enjoy your "great" ideas.
I am curious to know what would you have to say to Nicholas B. and Svetlana. I am eagerly looking forward to your answers as to the above.
Hi again! Iliya you should see a doctor. You are showing yourself as a true serb. All your nation needs pills.All my regards. Joseff Visarianovich Stalin
Kosova will be independent on November 28, 2007 in the morning. I invite all Serbs to celebrate and come to visit, to see with their own eyes, what a civilisation is all about.
Josip Visarianovich STALIN.(THE author is a horse farmer)
You know I have to be honest, the Albanians on this forum are pretty damn funny. Well thats about all they have going for them...
Grats to Serbia for winning one. Also to some of the other European Countries like Poland and Portugal that have recovered their testicles enough to speak up about the Kosovo Situation.
Grats to Serbia for winning one.
Thank you, that is just a political battle, but Serbia is a winner in many battles...
Actually we won twice against the same competitor the US that is in the U19 Basketball World Championship.
Novi Sad Serbiaja 2007
Juniorska reprezentacija Srbije novi je prvak sveta. Plavi su u velikom finalu, u prepunom novosadskom SPENS-u selekciju Amerike sa 74:69(22:14, 21:16, 14:17, 17:22).
Plavi su vodili od prvog do poslednjeg minuta utakmice. Samo u trećoj četvrtini bilo je koliko-toliko neizvesnosti. U dresu Srbije blistao je Čačanin Mladen Jeremić, uz veliku pomoć Milana Mačvana i Stefana Stojačića.
Prelazni pehar FIBA, koji je kapitenu plavih Stefanu Markoviću ururčio generalni sekretar FIBA Patrik Bauman ostaje u vitrinama KSS četiri godine, do narednog šampionata sveta.
Bormio 1987.
Plavi su do sada jedino zlato osvojili u Bormiu 1987. godine. Bila je to generacija koju su predvodili Vlade Divac, Saša Đorđević, Luka Pavićević, Nebojša Ilić, Miroslav Pecarski, Slaviša Koprivica... Selektor je bio Svetislav Pešić.
Rezultati plavih: u grupi: SAD - Jugoslavija 95:110, Jugoslavija - Portoriko 139:100, Jugoslavija - Kina 126:79, četvrtfinale: Nigerija - Jugoslavija 82:126, polufinale: Jugoslavija - SR Nemačka 89:64, finale: Jugoslavija - SAD 86:76.
And many more in the men’s World Championships, well see table below…
FIBA World Championships medals' table 1950-2006
MEN'S MEDALLISTS
Gold Silver Bronze Total
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA 3 3 3 9
SOVIET UNION 3 3 2 8
YUSGOSLAVIA 3 3 2 8
BRAZIL 2 2 2 6
RUSSIA - 2 - 2
CHILE - - 2 2
ARGENTINA 1 1 - 2
YUGOSLAVIA (Serbia and Montenegro) 2 - - 2
CROATIA - - 1 1
PHILIPPINES - - 1 1
GERMANY - - 1 1
Swimming: Who’d Guessed Serbia is “Landlocked”
Another gold medal to Serbia today comes from the swimming’s European Junior Championships in Antwerp, Belgium, where Ivan Lendjer won the first place in the 100 meters butterfly, setting the championship record of 53.21 seconds, 0.69 sec ahead of Yauheni Lazuka, of Belarus.
Yes I must be sick but I don't lie like the albanian parasites.
Somehow we got spared the other popular Albanian myth (first one being Skenderbeg Djuradj Kastrioti), nobody (to my surprise) claimed that Nikola Tesla, Rudjer Boskovic, Vuk Karadzic, Dositej Obradovic, Nikola Pasic, Milan Pavic, Ivo Andric, were all Albanians.
Instead of such news the Albanians must indeed sleep with their running shoes on, since all there recent developement pointing towards no resolution in favor of Greater Albania - Dardania - Tyrannia (the capital city of Albania). Even more humiliating than a diplomatic defeat is the fact that Albanians might be sanctioned in a more serious way as there indeed are Serbian volunteers getting militarily ready to defend their proper lands from any lunatic secession or unilateral proclamation.
On of the prior parasite's posts (probably the same person all along) mentioned the life of Albanians "under the Serbians". What is it that the life "under the Serbians" didn't offer?
Albanians had:
Schools in their own language
Mosques (in the language of their forefathers - Arabic)
University (free of charge to any regular student)
Medical care (in their language and free of charge)
I don't see any of that being offered to the Serbian minority in Kosovo should these criminals take over. Let's not forget how true currage mandates that a person should never ever sign anything s/he has written
ONLY ONE KOSOVO
I Know Three of them
RASKA TRANSFERZAL
EU-tactics in 19th Centrt and After
At the end of 19th century, in aftermath of Turkish-Serbian War, British members of the Commission for Boundary-line, tried with trick and abuse to grab some land to detriment of Kingdom of Serbia.
After the war 1n 1912, Pierre Loti, French author of heartbreaking novels (Les Pe'cheur d'Island), lamented expatriating Turks and accused 'wilde Serbs'. In French press Loti dragged Christians through mire,
Austro-Hungarian Empire percieved the danger of possible liberation of South-Serbs, particulary in Raska-usually named Sandzak in communist Jugoslavia-and countered. Austro-Hungarian Intelligence Service-Nachrichtendienst-designed masterplan, lobbied and payed to convert Christians, mostly poor devils into Islam. They hastened operation bruttish, reckless and swift from 1910 trough 1912.
Islamic transversal was carved trough the Serbian ethnisity. Why was the operation so succesful in short Time?
Seton Watson, British historian and intelligence agent , in his opus, in German transcript "Nationalit'ten Frage in Ungarn" wrote aproximately:
In 1860 with "Zeter und mordio" was initiated compresson of the heterogeneos Panonic horde into the Hungarian nation. Jews, mostly intelectuals and enterpreneurs had to change last name, then were adapted minorities, Slowaks and Cheks. Romenians and Serbs, being not Catholics, have gotten special treatment.
Serbs in Hungary had religious, cultural and bussines centers in Buda-Budapest-on the hill- St. Andrea, Szegedin and elsevere. They were not survival heroes, peu a peu they dissapeared.
The Raska transverzal was drafted to cut off occupied Serbs from Serbian State for ever. In Balkans, the boundary stones were not the outcome of peaceful competition, cultural dialog, relegious tollerance, traditional terroirs but were forcefuly drawn by imperial bullies at their own's discretion or imploded by agents of intruded
ideology. An Individual born 1920, coud have had orthodox icon in grandmothers room, Koran at his desk, pictures of emperor Franz Josef and later of J.B. Tito on the Wall.
Nowadays, Western interpretation of modern history is double-faced.
Imperial outreach for Lebensraum is would be logical consequence of global trends and developement of world economy.
Struggle of small nation to keep head above wate and to save its own brethren from slaughter could be only "Aspiration for Greater Serbia".
Ljubinko Jovicic
E-mail jovihaljubinko@ahoo.com
to be continued: Fürst Schwarzenberg. Slavonia, Archbishopric of Agram
Albanians are used to run their own affairs from ancient times to modern times. At old greek times, We had Alexander running greece for us , in ROMAN TIMES we had 15 Albanian Emperors running Rome, in ottoman times 46 grand vesirs from Albania including Attaturk. You Serbs are so dumb, we are born to lead not follow. There is no way an albanian could accept to do, what a thick headed Serb is looking to. You guys are so dumb that not a single Eurpian country want to support you , including other slavik europian one,except for Asiatic Mongoloid Rusia. You mongol serbs belong to north of China on a horseback killing something, from animals to people. Such an ugly negative nation is an embarrasement for the humanity. May God curse you cave men.
To Ljubinko Jovicic:
To read your comments is a little difficult. Please, have someone else who knows English better than you, make a few corrections. Your ideas may be brilliant, but they are hard to grasp.
To Ilir Dardania:
Judging by your name, you must be an Albanian and I would like all Albanians who reply to Serb propaganda, to give intelligent answers to the Serbs' calumnies and lies because thugs, bigots and racists want us to behave like them and keep them company.
You are right as concerns Albanians leading empires. It is because of this ability of theirs that the Slav world is dead set against them and doing everything possible to keep them down. As to the number of Illyrian (Albanian) emperors of Rome, I would say that there were more than 40 and not 15.
I don't share your opinion as to the Asian (Mongolian) origin of the Serbs being the cause of their evils, sins, shortsightedness and historic blunders. They are not dumb and thickheaded because they hail from the Baikal Lake area near Mongolia. They look and sound dumb and thickheaded because they have been brainwashed and imbued with hatred for others. Ultranationalism has benumbed their minds and feelings and made them shortsighted. They see only enemies around. Anyways, I don't want you to sink to the level of Iliya Pavlovich and the likes of him who are fond of obscene vocabulary and hate e-mails.
As to the Serbs riding on horseback north of China killing something, from animals to people, I would say that this way of life was natural because of the stage of development of their tribe at that time before coming to the Balkans as mercenaries of the Byzantine emperor. You cannot blame people for something they have no say on. It is true that because of the low level of their civilization they were very aggressive, a trait which they still retain today, as compared to the civilized onduct of the local populations in the Balkans. Being civilized at that time in the face of aggressive Serbs was not an advantage. This accounts for the territorial gains of the Serbs at the expense of the Albanians.
The Serbs of today have a veneer of European civilization on the outside, which is not that thick, and an aggressive mentality that runs very deep in their veins. The Europeans and the West in general find it difficult to see that aggression always has the upper hand in this insidious combination because they have no first-hand experience of this Serb mindset as the Albanians do.